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Post by ForgotToFlush on Oct 7, 2023 2:55:26 GMT
Following up on that thing I said in the Discord.
Basically I'm going to try and post snippets of games and give people a shot at responding to posts in a low stakes environment. I think it'll be a great way to practice generating content and critical thinking.
I may or may not throw up some thought questions, and/or post my own responses to help you get started. Depending on your responses we can go back and forth.
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Post by ForgotToFlush on Oct 7, 2023 3:07:49 GMT
right now if tos is a real claim then i don't think mighty and faerie are partnered and if he's a fakeclaim idt he'd be partnered with any of the people on him
based on the principle of controversy i think that trio of tos/mighty/faerie has exactly one mafia
does anyone disagree
Alright first one!
Theme: KWG
Context: TOS has claimed a power role (the minutia doesn't matter)
What do you have to say about the post? What questions do you have?
Sample Questions:
If FTF is scum, why would he make a post like this? Same question for if he's town.
What does this post tell you about FTF's alignment and how it relates to everyone else mentioned in the post?
My response:
This seems like a big jump in logic, trying to deduce alignment information about 3 players when the main focus (tos claim) has't actually been resolved. Feels like you're pre-flipping people by lumping them together like this, off of not much evidence. I don't think the associative you're working with is strong enough to support this claim.
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Post by iavh on Oct 7, 2023 15:45:52 GMT
I don’t get how tos is listed as scum there after the claim. Assuming there is no cc we can just give them a tr no?
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Post by roderickisamazing on Oct 7, 2023 16:38:36 GMT
wtf is going on here i dont understabd anything at all
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Post by ForgotToFlush on Oct 7, 2023 21:47:42 GMT
I don’t get how tos is listed as scum there after the claim. Assuming there is no cc we can just give them a tr no?
start exploring the world you've created more in response to the initial post
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Post by ForgotToFlush on Oct 7, 2023 21:48:43 GMT
wtf is going on here i dont understabd anything at all
Try to get yourself into that headspace and imagine how you'd respond
it's an exercise in formulating thoughts and posting better content
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Post by iavh on Oct 7, 2023 21:51:54 GMT
I don’t get how tos is listed as scum there after the claim. Assuming there is no cc we can just give them a tr no?
start exploring the world you've created more in response to the initial post
I don't really like how ftf actually put tos as scum when we didn't have a cc there. feels a bit awkward there, along with some two other srs in a kwg game. mighty is always like neg, and I haven't played with faeire yet so idk but I would like to hear some logic if you putting tos there you must be cc'ing. Are you? If not take this: VOTE: ForgotToFlush |
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Post by ForgotToFlush on Oct 8, 2023 0:43:01 GMT
you got a good starting idea, now run with it
start exploring the world you've created more in response to the initial post
I don't really like how ftf actually put tos as scum when we didn't have a cc there. feels a bit awkward there, along with some two other srs in a kwg game. mighty is always like neg, and I haven't played with faeire yet so idk but I would like to hear some logic if you putting tos there you must be cc'ing. Are you? If not take this: VOTE: ForgotToFlush
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Post by iavh on Oct 8, 2023 0:57:56 GMT
I don't really like how ftf actually put tos as scum when we didn't have a cc there. feels a bit awkward there, along with some two other srs in a kwg game. mighty is always like neg, and I haven't played with faeire yet so idk but I would like to hear some logic if you putting tos there you must be cc'ing. Are you? If not take this: VOTE: ForgotToFlush
same logic: why assume there will be one? |
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Post by ForgotToFlush on Oct 8, 2023 1:32:32 GMT
Why jump to there being no CC and locking it in as town straight away if there hasn't been one as of this point?
same logic: why assume there will be one?
if there was a larger player count i'd argue that the claim is self-resolving and can be left alone
but in kwg you'd want to consider all possibilities because mis-votes are more costly
so start considering all possibilities
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Post by iavh on Oct 8, 2023 12:18:22 GMT
same logic: why assume there will be one?
if there was a larger player count i'd argue that the claim is self-resolving and can be left alone
but in kwg you'd want to consider all possibilities because mis-votes are more costly
so start considering all possibilities
o the post edit in kwg we just have this one pr that can be verbally claimed, ic should be actively activated is this not self resolving already |
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Post by cyan on Oct 8, 2023 12:39:11 GMT
right now if tos is a real claim then i don't think mighty and faerie are partnered and if he's a fakeclaim idt he'd be partnered with any of the people on him
based on the principle of controversy i think that trio of tos/mighty/faerie has exactly one mafia
does anyone disagree
Alright first one!
Theme: KWG
Context: TOS has claimed a power role (the minutia doesn't matter)
What do you have to say about the post? What questions do you have?
Sample Questions:
If FTF is scum, why would he make a post like this? Same question for if he's town.
What does this post tell you about FTF's alignment and how it relates to everyone else mentioned in the post?
My response:
This seems like a big jump in logic, trying to deduce alignment information about 3 players when the main focus (tos claim) has't actually been resolved. Feels like you're pre-flipping people by lumping them together like this, off of not much evidence. I don't think the associative you're working with is strong enough to support this claim.
to me the one thing that comes to mind is "so what does this mean in the grand scheme of things" the conclusion that there's exactly one mafia in a group of three means next to nothing when it isn't a hard mechanic i assume "mighty and fae aren't partnered" is the kind of thing you'd say after, like, a PoE thought train (think 2v3, FtF is "solving" with 1 conftown, TE, MC and Fae) so that's just nothingtalk |
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Post by ForgotToFlush on Oct 8, 2023 20:51:08 GMT
mechanical completeness
if there was a larger player count i'd argue that the claim is self-resolving and can be left alone
but in kwg you'd want to consider all possibilities because mis-votes are more costly
so start considering all possibilities
o the post edit in kwg we just have this one pr that can be verbally claimed, ic should be actively activated is this not self resolving already
think of it this way
including ftf, that post ties 4 people together
so start trying to figure out what those ties actually are
broaden your thinking
you know kwg has 2 scum
so start plotting out or ruling out worlds based on the post
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Post by ForgotToFlush on Oct 8, 2023 20:58:04 GMT
Alright first one!
Theme: KWG
Context: TOS has claimed a power role (the minutia doesn't matter)
What do you have to say about the post? What questions do you have?
Sample Questions:
If FTF is scum, why would he make a post like this? Same question for if he's town.
What does this post tell you about FTF's alignment and how it relates to everyone else mentioned in the post?
My response:
This seems like a big jump in logic, trying to deduce alignment information about 3 players when the main focus (tos claim) has't actually been resolved. Feels like you're pre-flipping people by lumping them together like this, off of not much evidence. I don't think the associative you're working with is strong enough to support this claim.
to me the one thing that comes to mind is "so what does this mean in the grand scheme of things" the conclusion that there's exactly one mafia in a group of three means next to nothing when it isn't a hard mechanic i assume "mighty and fae aren't partnered" is the kind of thing you'd say after, like, a PoE thought train (think 2v3, FtF is "solving" with 1 conftown, TE, MC and Fae) so that's just nothingtalk
basically, if i see a lot of interaction between a group of slots, i think there's something alignment indicative/agenda driven within that pool
doing associatives helps rule out partner pairs, and in turn can likely divine how many mafia are in that pool, in this case no more than 1
so really the question is, do you think the concept has credence?
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Post by cyan on Oct 9, 2023 16:03:19 GMT
to me the one thing that comes to mind is "so what does this mean in the grand scheme of things" the conclusion that there's exactly one mafia in a group of three means next to nothing when it isn't a hard mechanic i assume "mighty and fae aren't partnered" is the kind of thing you'd say after, like, a PoE thought train (think 2v3, FtF is "solving" with 1 conftown, TE, MC and Fae) so that's just nothingtalk
basically, if i see a lot of interaction between a group of slots, i think there's something alignment indicative/agenda driven within that pool
doing associatives helps rule out partner pairs, and in turn can likely divine how many mafia are in that pool, in this case no more than 1
so really the question is, do you think the concept has credence?
frankly i don't get why you'd then jump to mighty + fae not being a valid partnership and then say that one of them has to be scum (or at least without context) so like maybe the concept does work, but this is not a good case for that |
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Post by ForgotToFlush on Oct 13, 2023 2:06:48 GMT
Second exercise! Got a couple offsite posts for y'all to dig in to.
At my destination but notes from the notes app Town Macdougall Mischief Nippleman Nydus On Cape-Looking at Tiger’s treatment of them Day 1 in particular I don’t think bussing Cape would be on their mind with carrots lowposting 395 is nagl for Miriam I can see the w!Cape world I guess if Tiger was sure beforehand that that 8-vote wagon was gonna dissolve, but their attitude towards Cape before/while voting them doesn’t have me thinking that was the case I do side with macdougall re: what he’s bringing up today with EoD1 wagons, but also like Miriam was present for EoD and seemingly unconcerned with saving carrots. Idk if she just had talked herself into a box where she couldn’t justify voting me, but she seems so unconcerned with carrots going over. I guess it could make sense if she was talking about me being town but didn’t want to commit to saving me by putting her vote on carrots EoD imo makes them both look bad, but I’m inclined to again say Miriam looks worse since Cape doesn’t seem specifically committed to getting one of his vanity wagons to gain traction. Ok well Mac had something directed at me and Miriam regarding my scumreading her and also said something about scumbait because she, Miriam, and JC make up my current PoE. If needed I can re-write why I’m feeling better on Cape. But here’s the response I had: macdougall Point taken on scumbait, I forgot seeing that vc when you pulled it up and having a “huh” moment. I haven’t put too much stock in it yet though because scumbait at the time had 0 posts and as recent as the last game (the D6 one I linked) I was in I watched a wolf try and take advantage of the opportunity to distance from an afk partner. The readlist part I checked out just now, and I can respect the point you’re making about it but she doesn’t bring up Tiger much following that until the lolcats come out. (Then again, other than voting you she doesn’t put much effort to engage with you either.) In fact, she spends a lot more time focused on Miriam, who’s absent from the initial readlist but got a middle-of-the-road read from scumbait when prompted (5.1, same as Mischief) I lowkey like 1360 a lot though not because of any validity to the argument but because I think that’s sort of argument that’s more likely to come from town for reasons I don’t have words for. It’s like that one example where someone (GH?) had the thought to question whether someone’s keyboard was actually broken or not. Re: Miriam: There’s a post I made somewhere earlier today, I think in response to you, where I mentioned this in passing. In the w!Miriam world she would’ve talked herself into a box where she couldn’t justify voting me without looking very suspicious and potentially screwing over herself and carrots alike. I’m looking over her ISO for her progression on me now though and think that’s plausible. 787’s the only place I could find where she expresses doubt on my slot, all other mentions D1 are positive. Separately, I don’t think it’s a good look that Tiger was willing to vote me to save carrots but not her when her wagon was around for a much longer period of time to take advantage of.
Theme: 15p Vanilla
Context: Final day of the game, Fenrir is trying to solve for the last mafia. Carrots and Tiger are previously flipped mafia.
Sample Questions:
1) What can be said about Fenrir's thought processes here? Can you detect any agendas? What's your overall impression of him, given the gamestate, and these posts?
2) Try to look at each conclusion Fenrir uses to support his scumcase. How many of them do you agree with? What do you have to say about the ones you don't? What's your overall verdict on his case?
My response:
Things I like:
- Process he ruled W!Capage out with
- How he compares scum equity for Capage and Miriam
- How he uses his scumread's reads to form a conclusion
- How he factors input from his townreads to solidify his case
Overall, I'd give this case a lot of thought if I came across it in a game. I'd be inclined to call Fenrir town given how very little about the case seems driven by self-preservation. In a situation like this I'd expect the last mafia to look more like they were grasping at straws to stay alive, and I can't detect any sort of those subtones from this post.
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Post by roderickisamazing on Oct 22, 2023 17:55:45 GMT
who tf r these people
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Post by AligningStars on Dec 18, 2023 21:48:36 GMT
vote: AligningStars
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Post by AligningStars on Dec 18, 2023 23:19:15 GMT
wow ty for 5 lieks
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