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Post by Prodigu on Jan 25, 2024 14:29:10 GMT
Yea ik im just paranoid with the ever existent thought at the back of my mind of “but what if im wrong”
And then i find more reasons for why Fenrir is scum, im like 90% sure here
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Post by Fame on Jan 25, 2024 14:36:21 GMT
Yea ik im just paranoid with the ever existent thought at the back of my mind of “but what if im wrong” And then i find more reasons for why Fenrir is scum, im like 90% sure here Yeah rip I think even if Fen is town we still have another vote so
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Post by Prodigu on Jan 25, 2024 14:57:18 GMT
Yea ik im just paranoid with the ever existent thought at the back of my mind of “but what if im wrong” And then i find more reasons for why Fenrir is scum, im like 90% sure here Yeah rip I think even if Fen is town we still have another vote so We should have like today was 9p So 2mrw 7p (1v6) Then 5p (1v4) Then 3p 1v2) So we have a misvote tomorrow and the day after and then lylo
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Post by Prodigu on Jan 25, 2024 14:59:59 GMT
Another tick in the Fenrir checkbox is i dont realistically see him coming into thread posting his “im tired” post and not reading the post hard casing him and Clouds from me on the literal same page and then deciding to say nothing the rest of phase if he was town
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Post by Fame on Jan 25, 2024 15:20:05 GMT
Yeah rip I think even if Fen is town we still have another vote so We should have like today was 9p So 2mrw 7p (1v6) Then 5p (1v4) Then 3p 1v2) So we have a misvote tomorrow and the day after and then lylo It's probs safe to assume that the NKs just fall into Abdel (today) -> GTS (tomorrow) -> Probably me because of the STP hypo thing So expected playerlist throughout these days would be like Tomorrow: GTS/Fame/Prod/Fenrir/CA/Wiiu/TBZ (assuming Abdel NK) Vote FenrirGame either ends here or it continues, at which point it'd be a Gary NK Day after: Fame/Prod/CA/Wiiu/TBZ Assuming NK on me afterwards Day after that: Prod/CA/Wiiu/TBZ At which point I'm not entirely sure what the vote would be
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Post by Fame on Jan 25, 2024 15:28:22 GMT
My (negative) thoughts on those unsorted players right now look something like
There's a lot of weird stuff with TBZ from scum, a part of my brain wants to think the TBZ votes on me were orchestrated with that weird cop narrative because it gives credibility to a later cop counterclaim, but the fact TBZ didn't end up doing anything during Abdel's redcheck claim makes that feel less real to me. Though I'm not really sure if it'd be possible to steer the thread that way without openwolfing
CA is the PTSD slot, which was a big part of scum's play D1. Constant attempts to shift there / shade that slot when it was virtually inactive. Didn't seem incredibly real to me so if you scumcase that slot it's probably for that reason.
Wiiu is PenguinD's slot (?) So my biggest concern here is that PenguinD is an avid Clouds scumreader every game & there's virtually no comments from Clouds on this slot iirc. Could be intentional avoidance (?)
As for Prod I just can't see him flipping scum really and I expect him to be in volo as per my last post, if you're in volo with him I'd probably just recommend re-evaluating him heavily and spending time on that before clamping down on a vote. His play yesterday was really fucking good if he's red, my only concern is Edjean wanted to shift there during the day he was being sent over and I kind of feel like he knew that was impossible
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Post by Fame on Jan 25, 2024 15:35:29 GMT
But I'm pretty much expecting Fen to flip red & to see y'all on the other side in GY or something
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Post by Fame on Jan 25, 2024 15:38:36 GMT
FenrirObviously, there's a lot mentioned in these last few days that paints you in a pretty bad light, and I do think you're important to keep in the game on the off chance you're green here I would rather you play these days if you're town, even if you think there's no avenue for you to come back into the game without being in POE, at the very least to give your POV, but if you're not gonna reappear, I'm going to be taking that as a scum claim probs because I think this type of absence is...to be expected from someone in this position as scum I don't think you'll be able to convince me that you're actually green but if you know that you're town & you're being unnecessarily/incorrectly pushed I think it's worth giving your final thoughts
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Post by Fame on Jan 25, 2024 15:40:59 GMT
Kind of another thing related to that WIM-based read but I feel like from Fen's POV he should have a decent solve atp if town when we currently have 2 clears + me being pseudo cleared by STP's cop thing + another person he had a really 'solid' read on all game in Prod
Can't imagine him being a sitting duck & letting himself get voted out if he knows his alignment is green
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Post by Fame on Jan 25, 2024 15:51:44 GMT
SlowThePokeFenrir
starting here, not enough confidence in anyone else yet to have them punch a firm townread ticket. STP up top just because once again, i don't think he's capable of faking some of this as mafia
his convoluted but also traceable fame read is the first example that comes to mind here of what's tilted the needle this way for me
have some concerns with abby playing what seems like an ultra agreeable and intentionally utr game so far, but i'm not voting him day 1 regardless for reasons i've stated unless he truly winds up looking like the best vote come the day's end. and with fenrir, i don't mesh with some of his reads which is maybe the disconnect holding me back from calling him a top tier townread, i've read the reasons he scumreads STP and i just don't see level with those being scummy *specifically for* STP. granted i don't know what kind of experience fen has with STP in forums up to this point, so that may factor in. i'd still call them tvt before anything else, and their interactions on the later pages reinforce that to me
vote PassTheSaltDude
for now, limited time tomorrow but i should have more free time next phase Immediately puts Fen into 1/2 of his towncore atp i know i just said i wouldn't want a D1 vote on edj and i'm not set on it by any means, but there aren't many points to praise from his presence so far and i feel like his responses to certain things have been conveniently passive and weird(?) for lack of a better term, will see if that feeling persists when he comes back around could go pass, tbz, or edj here and sleep well at night Can't imagine there's ever 2/3 in this pool of Pass/TBZ/Edjean i know i just said i wouldn't want a D1 vote on edj and i'm not set on it by any means, but there aren't many points to praise from his presence so far and i feel like his responses to certain things have been conveniently passive and weird(?) for lack of a better term, will see if that feeling persists when he comes back around could go pass, tbz, or edj here and sleep well at night What do you think about a Fame vote? I think after the reads post it could reveal a lot of information. Same goes for Fen but I don't sr him Name drops Fen unnecessarily with a bs reason
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Post by Fame on Jan 25, 2024 15:52:50 GMT
Edjean your read on me is so absurdly all over the place I don't believe you feel any conviction towards it Recognises the question is 'just an inquiry' (fine) and then seems to agree that the IAVH response is terrible and worthy of a push, doesn't do anything of the sort afterwards Look at the timestamps between this post and the next oneFeel like you're just circling back to something pertaining to my entrance here which you already end up giving reasons for...being fine later on? Think this post is more neutral than you're framing it I voted you there for your tone because it was just snappy instead of actually sounding like you were looking for somethingAgain, do you think the IAVH slot is worth pushing or not? You seemed excited to find something to push but you completely abandon that opportunity to consistently hedge on this half baked read on me No I lost interest in the iavh slot because trying to solve the madness between iavh/stp just isn't necessary for today, that's why I said I skimmed the pagesWhere is the conviction? Do you think it's NAI or not? All of your posts are completely contradictory? This was sarcasm lmaoIs it fine or isn't it? I said it was fine for then, as in I was still waiting to hear more from you. Hence why I said I'll revisit it laterWhat do you think about a Fame vote, Edjean? I still want to see it because I still think your reads provide a decent amount of information. I said Fen because you two are the ones who made big read posts, I never said I actually wanted to vote Fen. That would be ridiculousThinks a Fen vote is 'ridiculous' with some sort of assumed townread on him but voting me is completely fine for 'information' reasons apparently
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Post by Fame on Jan 25, 2024 15:56:58 GMT
Mfw 15? Vote: iamveryhappyFeel most comfortable here out of the viable options Don't feel at a point of confidence for a D1 Fame vote and kind of get what they were saying about iavh potentially just staying unhelpful (that's what the parallel was between him and stp I felt you should've keyed into) Dodges the Ed wagon / kind of gives Clouds the opportunity to walk back on that Ed vote D1
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Post by Fame on Jan 25, 2024 16:00:15 GMT
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Post by Fame on Jan 25, 2024 16:01:44 GMT
i'm never a 100%er i also highly doubt he's mafia on his play alone and less to do with D1 focus in particular, what do you mean by that though
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Post by Fame on Jan 25, 2024 16:02:16 GMT
SlowThePoke Fame Fenrirprodigu
this is a core i'm comfortable with atm. fenrir i think you need to wake up and not scumread STP here, he's highly likely town, if you haven't noticed, there's been a shift in thread sentiment off the back of you scumreading him early as we've walked into D2. gary's disintegrating townread on STP is exactly what i'd expect from s!gary in a t!STP world and phrased almost verbatim to mafia capitalizing on the opportunity that you would've provided by misreading him. i don't think you're mafia, but he's my most confident TR at the moment and you guys need to shake hands and become pals
prod i have as a pastel green mainly because of his reads coming across as relatively genuine, but also because of who he's choosing to cast reads on -- townreading peng looks bad for a mafia slot, peng has done zero to suggest he's town, so it's a read others would naturally be suspicious of. i don't agree that what prod is TRing peng for has any merit, but i can see how prod would get to a read like that, and it feels like he's at least calling upon past experiences in good faith when making the read
it's unlikely i vote outside of gary, ptsd, edj today even though i have an undying urge to vote peng because solving his slot is evidently going to be a nightmare per usual
although edj just not showing up whatsoever despite my problems in thread seems sort of disconnected with what i'd expect if he was mafia realizing he was in a place where he needed to defend himself, because i'd think he gets a nudge from a partner or something to post or at least try and improve his image or does something to follow up with his frantic end to D1. instead he's just completely missing in action, which is puzzling more than anything else and doesn't trend with what i'd expect from s!edj here
i'm keeping him in the votepool regardless, because there are enough holes in this logic that don't make me confident enough to say he can't just be AFK for D2 start and also mafia
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Post by Fame on Jan 25, 2024 16:03:29 GMT
- your reasons for TR'ing iavh don't seem super legitimate given his presence in thread at the time, and i believe that's how you would've leveraged the TMI of knowing iavh flips town as scum and letting others take the fall for the vote... which falls in line with multiple of my townreads being on the iavh vote, which also wasn't a bad or unjustifiable vote by any means - you followed that up by coming into thread D2 and being like "woah guys why did we vote iavh" as if it was some criminal offense, when he for sure had scum equity, so it just reads like an attempt to put a fake halo on yourself and seem like you had the upperhand by being off wagon during a town mislim - your end of D1 vote positioning didn't seem like you had much conviction behind the vote or anything, and was framed more as an attempt to save iavh, so it seems like more of a convenience vote at the very least, i don't think you & edj are scum together given D1's end but i think if edj & iavh are t/t wagons, then your positioning in that situation was in line with how scum would treat the hand they were dealt As or rn, how likely do you think the bolded is?
Gonna put my thoughts on Gary from D1 first actually probably as I sort through stuff, since I want to know your thoughts on them.
Just seems like another opportunity for Fen to give Clouds a way to double down on not voting Ed here
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Post by Fame on Jan 25, 2024 16:10:24 GMT
The only thing worrying me about this rn is the cop!Edj world, and imo there's nothing specifically making it more or less likely. Maybe there should be. Really? I mean if it is cop!edj world theyll just claim when they come online so idk why they shoulndt be voted rn It's more will they come online
But that's not super in our control
I assume you're still pushing abdel? You were also very anti-edj wagon d1 iirc, what was up there?
Last line looks like preemptive framing with the knowledge Ed is flipping red Wdym anti edj wagon i was legit on edj lmao
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Post by Fame on Jan 25, 2024 16:17:02 GMT
Wdym anti edj wagon i was legit on edj lmao So how are you with an Edj wagon today? Wait is this a cop claim? Wait is this a cop claim? It's a hypo
Unless it's a cop claim
Fen doesn't die after this, probably because he's Mafia and not actually cop lmfao The fallacy would be the cop hypo is just incorrect so they know he's not actually cop, but still Well the scum team ain't gonna be edj/tbz is it. You wish it'd be that easy If Edjean flips, who flips w him? If Tbz flips, who flips w him? thanks for extracting my current internal strife (partnering) and making it your little sick game i have already been thinking about this edjean doesn't partner with gary at all, can't see a universe he's with you or fen, and his interactions with prod -- namely from prod's side -- make those two feel unpartnered as well tbz can kinda flip with anyone which is obnoxious, i wouldn't even put it past him to make that vote on you if you were svs if he knew you weren't going over and could benefit from the vote being a form of distancing. this doesn't really matter anyways since i don't think you're mafia, but for the sake of unpartnering tbz, i'm not sure how you could reasonably rule anyone out Slips Fen in there and keeps hammering in the TBZ thing
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Post by Fame on Jan 25, 2024 16:17:34 GMT
Well the scum team ain't gonna be edj/tbz is it. You wish it'd be that easy If Edjean flips, who flips w him? If Tbz flips, who flips w him? wait wait hold it a) why can't edj & tbz be together? b) there's three mafia... why are you looking at this from the lens of only trying to solve two mafia? Don't think he brings attention to Ed/TBZ partnering here if TBZ is scum
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Post by Fame on Jan 25, 2024 16:17:54 GMT
Like, that steers way more in the direction of making sure someone is still in POE imo
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Post by Fame on Jan 25, 2024 16:18:36 GMT
Because it'd mean Mafia is 1 AFK + someone we already were on the verge of solving D1 which I think is unlikely lol What makes it unlikely though? Esp if there's still 1 more slot who could be someone else or it could just be a game where scum just never got their foothold in Again, making sure that POE is wide open
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Post by Fame on Jan 25, 2024 16:19:55 GMT
Yeah I just think the TMI is oozing from these posts and there's basically no way out of that, there are too many points of focus that are convenient for someone who knows Ed is flipping red despite his seemingly mixed opinion on his slot
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Post by Fame on Jan 25, 2024 16:21:02 GMT
It's also not lost on me that the days Edjean was on the table for a vote, Clouds/Fen are both extremely active, probably to gauge how salvageable Ed actually is, and to attempt to exert some level of thread control there
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Post by Fame on Jan 25, 2024 16:23:14 GMT
In my view if that's the case: -Either 3rd wolf is someone else inactive and we've just got it -It's someone active trying to desperately save him, which I def don't get the vibe of rn-It's someone active throwing them under the bus, which isn't impossible but not the worse case scenario for us Think this is by design
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Post by Fame on Jan 25, 2024 16:26:01 GMT
alright everyone who's here and lurking, answer these questions for me: - if edj flips mafia, who can partner with him here? - if edj flips town, where would you go next? - if you're not convinced in an edj vote today and think there's someone better to resolve, who? and why? Mfw my answers to this are coming down rn to the same idea of thinking it's potentially just an inactive team and that solving the lowposting slots before volo in t!Edj world needs to happen
I feel like Edj's decent as a choice for figuring out EoD1. If I were gonna name someone else...tbz maybe? But obv pivoting to him at this point would be kind of [insert some gif here of displeasure]
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