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Post by quojova on Feb 7, 2021 18:31:02 GMT
skimming through the past thread while focusing on chaos's posts gave me a generally favorable impression of him I already mentioned this before but the direct mention of his role working better in the future would have invited discomfort as scum with the possibility of having to elaborate on the details of role, so it makes him appear more town to me D2 content from chaos was limited but d1 I got the impression that he wasn't afraid to deliver targeted, specific criticism that he believed in examples: ps-mafia.proboards.com/post/73874/thread, ps-mafia.proboards.com/post/73856/threadWeirdest post to me was this one: ps-mafia.proboards.com/post/73853/threadin which: a) I think he concludes too strongly that spiderz is either scum or town pr, and he doesn't seem to do anything with that in the future. If he were town I would think he would do more with a read on a player being "scum or town pr". b) What does he even mean by "town pr"? Every player in the game is a pr, and it shows a lack of understanding of the average town role. Thinking this through as I write it, I don't think it's actually scum indicative because you can be confused about the role-heavy nature of the setup from either scum or town (and possibly even less as scum because you might have multiple role cards to look at) but it is kinda weird. I think this started as a factor which was pushing chaos towards scum but by the end of writing it, it was pushing him very slightly towards town  |
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Post by quojova on Feb 7, 2021 18:32:16 GMT
If we go quick with fillerposts we can have double the pages of the other thread
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Post by quojova on Feb 7, 2021 18:42:39 GMT
Thoughts about the past thread: Spiderz : His d2 was better than d1 but that alone doesnt atone for the tunnel on ptsd , which I have already said , seemed to be motivated by self preservation rather than a legit read Dubz: I am fairly certain this slot is trying to buddy genny . I kept digging her about her opinion on genny and what I arrived at in the end was something like "Source : Trust me , bro" Genny: Thoughtless vote on d1 and lots of filler Funnily enough these three were the ones who sent me here Litt and Maple : These people have vaguely claimed and I think we can give them the benefit of the doubt for now as there are other slots that seem scummier Bgb : townlean because I liked a lot of his takes What do you think about the spiderz claim? I am starting to more seriously buy into the idea that it's scummy. Like it appears the only way as of now which players can be sent across threads is the town-controlled reward vote, which makes the pre-emptive nullification of that a scum-motivated action. Maybe scum has the ability to forcefully move people across threads? But if they do have that power, the evidence so far points to it being a very rare occurrence, maybe a one-shot for them, and it would be weird for a significant portion of a town role to be preoccupied with the predictive nullification of a one-shot action from scum that doesn't even do too much when it occurs. It seems plausible that spiderz looks at his role as scum, which functions similar to the factional corrupt from a theme like modexe (but instead blocks the swap instead of killing the player voted for), has no real idea what it's function is because it interacts with a mechanic that is completely new to him, and decides to just go with that as his fakeclaim because he is receiving some heat from maple about who he targeted |
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Post by quojova on Feb 7, 2021 18:46:27 GMT
I see bgb voted for genny; He's gonna need to elaborate on that one because mechanically dubz/spiderz seem like very enticing players to have flip
(and possibly for content reasons too according to chaos although I haven't read the thread closely enough to comment on that)
((although it appears bgb's reason is also partially mechanical))
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Post by quojova on Feb 7, 2021 18:50:20 GMT
why does the past get all the mechanical evidence  expect more of this level of meaningless filler as I attempt to graduate from mafia hooker |
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Post by quojova on Feb 7, 2021 19:11:38 GMT
can't tell what you mean here - are you saying you think flush provided explicit fakeclaims for the scum or that he didn't? Yeahh I was in a state of frustration and absolute anger at that point and honestly wasn't thinking straight In a more realistic scenario, I don't think flush would provide explicit fakeclaims, although I still still believe that claims such as that don't tell me a whole lot in a closed setup. I still don't believe alex is exactly town with their claim, although the rift thingie is definitely interesting and i'll expand on that later re: this thing This series of posts was strange. Like I don't think being so angry and frustrated about a game of mafia that your thinking gets all warped to the point of making such a logical leap is an actual human thing (although this is contestable for sure). The phrasing of it just seems very dismissive of it like there's some content AZ wants to move away from. Perhaps he's trying to move away from how he leapt too quickly to "Alex's claim doesn't help him at all" in a self-preservation oriented move because he knew he was the only viable cw? And he says he'll "expand on that later" but that feels like a token expression planted to make the post most agreeable in a way that is not honest given that he has like a minute to discuss whether or not Alex is a good kill before he flips. |
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Post by quojova on Feb 7, 2021 19:16:26 GMT
Yeahh I was in a state of frustration and absolute anger at that point and honestly wasn't thinking straight In a more realistic scenario, I don't think flush would provide explicit fakeclaims, although I still still believe that claims such as that don't tell me a whole lot in a closed setup. I still don't believe alex is exactly town with their claim, although the rift thingie is definitely interesting and i'll expand on that later re: this thing This series of posts was strange. Like I don't think being so angry and frustrated about a game of mafia that your thinking gets all warped to the point of making such a logical leap is an actual human thing (although this is contestable for sure). The phrasing of it just seems very dismissive of it like there's some content AZ wants to move away from. Perhaps he's trying to move away from how he leapt too quickly to "Alex's claim doesn't help him at all" in a self-preservation oriented move because he knew he was the only viable cw? And he says he'll "expand on that later" but that feels like a token expression planted to make the post most agreeable in a way that is not honest given that he has like a minute to discuss whether or not Alex is a good kill before he flips. I realize I didn't make my view on AZ's alignment super clear from this. Atp because I still don't have super strong srs this probably pushes AZ to the bottom of my reads. Before we flip anyone else I'll probably do another deep read of players I'm "assuming" are town (chaos/scorr) but that's where I'm at rn. Would greatly appreciate more in-depth content from scorr/ani |
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Post by chaostrodon on Feb 7, 2021 19:17:38 GMT
skimming through the past thread while focusing on chaos's posts gave me a generally favorable impression of him I already mentioned this before but the direct mention of his role working better in the future would have invited discomfort as scum with the possibility of having to elaborate on the details of role, so it makes him appear more town to me D2 content from chaos was limited but d1 I got the impression that he wasn't afraid to deliver targeted, specific criticism that he believed in examples: ps-mafia.proboards.com/post/73874/thread, ps-mafia.proboards.com/post/73856/threadWeirdest post to me was this one: ps-mafia.proboards.com/post/73853/threadin which: a) I think he concludes too strongly that spiderz is either scum or town pr, and he doesn't seem to do anything with that in the future. If he were town I would think he would do more with a read on a player being "scum or town pr". b) What does he even mean by "town pr"? Every player in the game is a pr, and it shows a lack of understanding of the average town role. Thinking this through as I write it, I don't think it's actually scum indicative because you can be confused about the role-heavy nature of the setup from either scum or town (and possibly even less as scum because you might have multiple role cards to look at) but it is kinda weird. I think this started as a factor which was pushing chaos towards scum but by the end of writing it, it was pushing him very slightly towards town I didnt know every role in the game was a pr at that point , simply assumed there would be some VTs and some power roles like most mafia games. I didnt want to push spiderz too hard for that that same reason , didnt want to accidentally make a pr claim . I am assuming thats what you meant by doing more with that read. Because I spent the rest of the day trying to prove that spiderz push on ptsd was too hasty |
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Post by quojova on Feb 7, 2021 19:21:59 GMT
skimming through the past thread while focusing on chaos's posts gave me a generally favorable impression of him I already mentioned this before but the direct mention of his role working better in the future would have invited discomfort as scum with the possibility of having to elaborate on the details of role, so it makes him appear more town to me D2 content from chaos was limited but d1 I got the impression that he wasn't afraid to deliver targeted, specific criticism that he believed in examples: ps-mafia.proboards.com/post/73874/thread, ps-mafia.proboards.com/post/73856/threadWeirdest post to me was this one: ps-mafia.proboards.com/post/73853/threadin which: a) I think he concludes too strongly that spiderz is either scum or town pr, and he doesn't seem to do anything with that in the future. If he were town I would think he would do more with a read on a player being "scum or town pr". b) What does he even mean by "town pr"? Every player in the game is a pr, and it shows a lack of understanding of the average town role. Thinking this through as I write it, I don't think it's actually scum indicative because you can be confused about the role-heavy nature of the setup from either scum or town (and possibly even less as scum because you might have multiple role cards to look at) but it is kinda weird. I think this started as a factor which was pushing chaos towards scum but by the end of writing it, it was pushing him very slightly towards town I didnt know every role in the game was a pr at that point , simply assumed there would be some VTs and some power roles like most mafia games. I didnt want to push spiderz too hard for that that same reason , didnt want to accidentally make a pr claim . I am assuming thats what you meant by doing more with that read. Because I spent the rest of the day trying to prove that spiderz push on ptsd was too hasty nvm then I forgot about that part of your d2. A big part of the reason I included that part was because I wanted to lay on some more pressure than just "yep chaos is town" but by the end the case was very weak. I don't read too much into overconfidence early d1 this late in the game because it's a pretty natural thing to do. |
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Post by OM~! on Feb 7, 2021 20:48:26 GMT
Uhhhh I don't see where I imply I know for sure scorrch is town??? Like, I have a heavy townread on scorrch by this point, and it's a well built / reasoned argument that I argued back with my own points - but uh, literally don't see where I say that nor imply that at all? |
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Post by OM~! on Feb 7, 2021 20:50:27 GMT
re: this thing This series of posts was strange. Like I don't think being so angry and frustrated about a game of mafia that your thinking gets all warped to the point of making such a logical leap is an actual human thing (although this is contestable for sure). The phrasing of it just seems very dismissive of it like there's some content AZ wants to move away from. Perhaps he's trying to move away from how he leapt too quickly to "Alex's claim doesn't help him at all" in a self-preservation oriented move because he knew he was the only viable cw? And he says he'll "expand on that later" but that feels like a token expression planted to make the post most agreeable in a way that is not honest given that he has like a minute to discuss whether or not Alex is a good kill before he flips. I realize I didn't make my view on AZ's alignment super clear from this. Atp because I still don't have super strong srs this probably pushes AZ to the bottom of my reads. Before we flip anyone else I'll probably do another deep read of players I'm "assuming" are town (chaos/scorr) but that's where I'm at rn. Would greatly appreciate more in-depth content from scorr/ani AZ / alex interactions r way too similar to OM / alex interaction and I hate it - om, 2021 |
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Post by OM~! on Feb 7, 2021 20:54:19 GMT
Also, whoever is rewarded today I'd like to pitch one of dubz or maple being swapped with
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Post by quojova on Feb 7, 2021 21:17:44 GMT
Also, whoever is rewarded today I'd like to pitch one of dubz or maple being swapped with for what reason |
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Post by ScorrchingTheaph on Feb 7, 2021 21:52:08 GMT
You are right , Thats a risky thing to say if rift creation was indeed similiar to arson and Mr ? was scum What are your thoughts on what rift creation is/could be? No deaths again means I am more convinced of arsonist. |
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Post by chaostrodon on Feb 7, 2021 22:09:46 GMT
Uhhhh I don't see where I imply I know for sure scorrch is town??? Like, I have a heavy townread on scorrch by this point, and it's a well built / reasoned argument that I argued back with my own points - but uh, literally don't see where I say that nor imply that at all? >> Top three are active, contributing to the game trying to work through what we got - think quo / scorr / snaq is the pool we should look at rewarding next phase, more likely quojova bc he's the townie who's consistently working for third party conflict resolution, as you said Is this your argument? This is the only post I can see where you have stated a read on Mr ? and it comes after the post I mentioned. You were looking at Mr ?'s allegations as coming from a town player and were able to formulate an explanation. That means you know he is town or atleast heavily townread him , no? |
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Post by chaostrodon on Feb 7, 2021 22:12:59 GMT
You are right , Thats a risky thing to say if rift creation was indeed similiar to arson and Mr ? was scum What are your thoughts on what rift creation is/could be? No deaths again means I am more convinced of arsonist. I have a feeling that it isnt bc of my role . But Im not completely sure |
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Post by ScorrchingTheaph on Feb 7, 2021 22:19:53 GMT
Spiderz : His d2 was better than d1 but that alone doesnt atone for the tunnel on ptsd , which I have already said , seemed to be motivated by self preservation rather than a legit read What do you think about the spiderz claim? I am starting to more seriously buy into the idea that it's scummy. Like it appears the only way as of now which players can be sent across threads is the town-controlled reward vote, which makes the pre-emptive nullification of that a scum-motivated action. Maybe scum has the ability to forcefully move people across threads? But if they do have that power, the evidence so far points to it being a very rare occurrence, maybe a one-shot for them, and it would be weird for a significant portion of a town role to be preoccupied with the predictive nullification of a one-shot action from scum that doesn't even do too much when it occurs. It seems plausible that spiderz looks at his role as scum, which functions similar to the factional corrupt from a theme like modexe (but instead blocks the swap instead of killing the player voted for), has no real idea what it's function is because it interacts with a mechanic that is completely new to him, and decides to just go with that as his fakeclaim because he is receiving some heat from maple about who he targeted Assuming that the only way to time-travel is through reward voting, a trapping role would only serve to benefit scum. If spiderz were part of a larger scum team, they probably would have noticed this and probably discussed a better fake claim. If he's solo scum, the role alone seems too weak, so he would be have to be leaving other things out. Either way, I do not entirely believe his claim. What I don't understand is why he claimed almost out of the blue. They were in reward stage so he was never getting lynched that day, and taking maple's avoider claim as an indicator of scum!spiderz is pretty filmsy for obvious reasons. I think scum tends to be more reluctant to claim, which could mean a town!spiderz that thinks his role is weak, but then what purpose does his role serve? |
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Post by chaostrodon on Feb 7, 2021 22:21:59 GMT
Thoughts about the past thread: Spiderz : His d2 was better than d1 but that alone doesnt atone for the tunnel on ptsd , which I have already said , seemed to be motivated by self preservation rather than a legit read Dubz: I am fairly certain this slot is trying to buddy genny . I kept digging her about her opinion on genny and what I arrived at in the end was something like "Source : Trust me , bro" Genny: Thoughtless vote on d1 and lots of filler Funnily enough these three were the ones who sent me here Litt and Maple : These people have vaguely claimed and I think we can give them the benefit of the doubt for now as there are other slots that seem scummier Bgb : townlean because I liked a lot of his takes What do you think about the spiderz claim? I am starting to more seriously buy into the idea that it's scummy. Like it appears the only way as of now which players can be sent across threads is the town-controlled reward vote, which makes the pre-emptive nullification of that a scum-motivated action. Maybe scum has the ability to forcefully move people across threads? But if they do have that power, the evidence so far points to it being a very rare occurrence, maybe a one-shot for them, and it would be weird for a significant portion of a town role to be preoccupied with the predictive nullification of a one-shot action from scum that doesn't even do too much when it occurs. It seems plausible that spiderz looks at his role as scum, which functions similar to the factional corrupt from a theme like modexe (but instead blocks the swap instead of killing the player voted for), has no real idea what it's function is because it interacts with a mechanic that is completely new to him, and decides to just go with that as his fakeclaim because he is receiving some heat from maple about who he targeted Thats not the only way tho? I mean Alex had an ability to send people across timelines didnt he? Imo his role does fit in with the general theme but I agree that you cannot look at this role and conclude its a town role. It kinda makes his d1 behaviour even more suspicious because his role seems pretty underpowered compared to the other reveals we had |
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Post by chaostrodon on Feb 7, 2021 22:26:15 GMT
You are right , Thats a risky thing to say if rift creation was indeed similiar to arson and Mr ? was scum do you think it's meaningful at all as the source of a read/lean A little maybe . Its risky but not impossible to pull it off as a good scum player , is what I feel |
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Post by quojova on Feb 7, 2021 22:34:06 GMT
What do you think about the spiderz claim? I am starting to more seriously buy into the idea that it's scummy. Like it appears the only way as of now which players can be sent across threads is the town-controlled reward vote, which makes the pre-emptive nullification of that a scum-motivated action. Maybe scum has the ability to forcefully move people across threads? But if they do have that power, the evidence so far points to it being a very rare occurrence, maybe a one-shot for them, and it would be weird for a significant portion of a town role to be preoccupied with the predictive nullification of a one-shot action from scum that doesn't even do too much when it occurs. It seems plausible that spiderz looks at his role as scum, which functions similar to the factional corrupt from a theme like modexe (but instead blocks the swap instead of killing the player voted for), has no real idea what it's function is because it interacts with a mechanic that is completely new to him, and decides to just go with that as his fakeclaim because he is receiving some heat from maple about who he targeted Assuming that the only way to time-travel is through reward voting, a trapping role would only serve to benefit scum. If spiderz were part of a larger scum team, they probably would have noticed this and probably discussed a better fake claim. If he's solo scum, the role alone seems too weak, so he would be have to be leaving other things out. Either way, I do not entirely believe his claim. What I don't understand is why he claimed almost out of the blue. They were in reward stage so he was never getting lynched that day, and taking maple's avoider claim as an indicator of scum!spiderz is pretty filmsy for obvious reasons. I think scum tends to be more reluctant to claim, which could mean a town!spiderz that thinks his role is weak, but then what purpose does his role serve? It's a given I think that regardless of his alignment there are other aspects to his role he has not revealed yet. The claim timing looks weird to me too, and I'm not sure how to explain it. To me though the timing appears more scummy than towny (found here: ps-mafia.proboards.com/post/74340/thread). I don't see why you would claim there as town. It's just unnecessary if you have any level of faith in your ability to appear as a member of the town without claiming. It feels like an "over-cooperative" reveal that prioritizes his outward appearance and alleviating pressure on him over actually protecting his role information. And I think it's possible that it just didn't occur to him that trapping someone in a thread is a much more scum-oriented ability. Not super relevant but will also note that he replied within 30 minutes of maple's post so if he hadn't locked into a fakeclaim already he wouldn't have been able to discuss with his teammates in preparation for that post. |
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Post by quojova on Feb 7, 2021 22:41:20 GMT
What do you think about the spiderz claim? I am starting to more seriously buy into the idea that it's scummy. Like it appears the only way as of now which players can be sent across threads is the town-controlled reward vote, which makes the pre-emptive nullification of that a scum-motivated action. Maybe scum has the ability to forcefully move people across threads? But if they do have that power, the evidence so far points to it being a very rare occurrence, maybe a one-shot for them, and it would be weird for a significant portion of a town role to be preoccupied with the predictive nullification of a one-shot action from scum that doesn't even do too much when it occurs. It seems plausible that spiderz looks at his role as scum, which functions similar to the factional corrupt from a theme like modexe (but instead blocks the swap instead of killing the player voted for), has no real idea what it's function is because it interacts with a mechanic that is completely new to him, and decides to just go with that as his fakeclaim because he is receiving some heat from maple about who he targeted Thats not the only way tho? I mean Alex had an ability to send people across timelines didnt he? Imo his role does fit in with the general theme but I agree that you cannot look at this role and conclude its a town role. It kinda makes his d1 behaviour even more suspicious because his role seems pretty underpowered compared to the other reveals we had Ok that's fair, there is a demonstrated example of a role that can move players between threads. I forgot about that. Part of my point there was that even if there is a scum role that moves players between threads, which is possible, maybe even likely - as you mentioned, it would be a bizarrely specific and weak portion of his ability which would not be so bizarrely weak if he were scum. I will just state that I'm talking about spiderz a lot but it's quite possible that dubz or maybe even genny are better kills for mechanical reasons; I just have no way to argue for their cases like I can with spiderz |
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Post by OM~! on Feb 7, 2021 22:53:57 GMT
Also, whoever is rewarded today I'd like to pitch one of dubz or maple being swapped with for what reason Both need mad pressuring / questioning but thread's got like 4 diff scum targets atm |
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Post by quojova on Feb 7, 2021 23:07:08 GMT
Both need mad pressuring / questioning but thread's got like 4 diff scum targets atm probably not dubz given that the primary argument for his scumminess is mechanical with litt maple might be good also derz |
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Post by quojova on Feb 7, 2021 23:09:28 GMT
Both need mad pressuring / questioning but thread's got like 4 diff scum targets atm probably not dubz given that the primary argument for his scumminess is mechanical with litt maple might be good also derz so if we agree upon a target to swap with as a complete town we can unionize and collectively bargain with the person we choose by threatening to hang them if they don't pick our agreed upon target if we make this relationship explicit we can get around the whole "the people we 'reward' have agency" problem very totalitarian but very effective |
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Post by quojova on Feb 7, 2021 23:09:52 GMT
Both need mad pressuring / questioning but thread's got like 4 diff scum targets atm probably not dubz given that the primary argument for his scumminess is mechanical with litt maple might be good also derz *also probably not genny for the same reason |
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