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Post by Brady1014 on Jun 7, 2021 20:37:38 GMT
Hey, just woke u- SAY WHAT? There are MAFIA in our little town? Get em! **Lynch mightycannon** Ugh, I've missed this Brady you're such a peach, ty for /ining Missed the failed lynches? Confused but okay, anyways I'm back and would like to contribute shortly |
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Post by Brady1014 on Jun 7, 2021 20:59:28 GMT
just wanna point out fenrir literally just claimed scum w/ schia ptsd.... This was actually not in regards to this game, I think I saw him post that on some other platform pre-role pms just wanna point out fenrir literally just claimed scum w/ schia ptsd.... What's actually a FAR more likely interpretation of that post is that Fen is once again capitalizing on our intrinsic shared spirit in order to pocket me and bully you. Or maybe you're just jealous you didn't rand scum with us......... Potential truth to this actually, my interpretation was that he was throwing early shade and not pocketing but that's acceptable interpretation, either way sussy behavior. After a lot of thinking and calculation, I realized that if Schia+Fenrir are both scum, then that means the final scum is a lurker, per the mafia rule of relativity. So it’s in the best interest of the people to Vote OceanFurther explain the mafia rule of relativity please.. and the logic. I know ur new to forums but I know you've played the game so no bulloni. After a lot of thinking and calculation, I realized that if Schia+Fenrir are both scum, then that means the final scum is a lurker, per the mafia rule of relativity. So it’s in the best interest of the people to Vote OceanSo you agree that me and Fen are partners? But you are voting Ocean? Ocean, whose profile picture is like 10x better than yours? Inch-resting. Once again would like clarification of the mafia rule of relativity and this logic as well I think micro is town. Micro can hang. Rest of y'all tho? Messy, messy. What's the basis for thisv use as much or little details as you want but I'll be judging you on that  So you agree that me and Fen are partners? But you are voting Ocean? Ocean, whose profile picture is like 10x better than yours? Inch-resting. I’m a little hurt that you came after my pfp like that, out of the all things you could’ve chosen and you picked violence. I was gonna vote fenrir but he already has votes on him, and I don’t care if you are mafia or town you’ll die night 1 either way (Dont think I forgot about that time you sent the night kill on yourself in a mafia game once when we were playing a CS) Besides I hate confrontation, so Ocean was the ideal vote What made you not vote fenrir and why would you assume Schiavetto would die night 1? I have some thoughts but would like to hear it from u first i have no idea how to reply, pls bear w me Your reply attempted to invalidate the micro townread based on postcount / emote usage and pocket schia by asking him to teach you his ways it's like scummy Willing to agree with this, buzzwords are a no-go for me Your reply attempted to invalidate the micro townread based on postcount / emote usage and pocket schia by asking him to teach you his ways it's like scummy yes, it did because the read was based off nothing and hence isn't really a strong read? also pocketing someone and invalidating their reads is contradictory. This logic is wrong, you can pocket someone (i.e. from my definition, making them vote with you) and still make them trust you over their own reads and judgement yes, it did because the read was based off nothing and hence isn't really a strong read? also pocketing someone and invalidating their reads is contradictory.
Just want to say this last part literally isn't true, it is in fact fun and v easy to do! Read this after I wrote the response to the last post, glad we both analyzed this Like, you can take "pocketing" to mean "agreeing with someone so they'll like you and be less inclined to vote you" which like, okay, cool, that is a thing people do, but pocketing is much more fundamentally about endearing yourself to a specific slot to remove yourself as a viable threat from their perspective. Parroting reads is a pretty direct way to do that, in which case sure, you could call that contradictory, but if you're actually like.... good at it !_! it goes beyond that. Parroting reads isn't quite the word I would use to describe why it's not contradictory, matter of fact I think that supports that it is. Manipulating the reads to make someone trust you over their own judgement on reads is more on the lines of what I personally was referring to. Just want to say this last part literally isn't true, it is in fact fun and v easy to do! isn't pocketing literally appealing to someone to keep yourself in the game. I would think having someone serve as your personal mayor would be more along those lines lol If this is what pocketing was in essence i'd agree, but it's not the complete concept. I’m a little hurt that you came after my pfp like that, out of the all things you could’ve chosen and you picked violence. I was gonna vote fenrir but he already has votes on him, and I don’t care if you are mafia or town you’ll die night 1 either way (Dont think I forgot about that time you sent the night kill on yourself in a mafia game once when we were playing a CS) Besides I hate confrontation, so Ocean was the ideal vote Is it bad to vote scum if they are already being voted...? Didn't pick up on this, good question. I want an answer soon from him. I have a funny feeling I'll be wagoned by scum for an easy vote just because OM and Schia read me now. (if they aren't scum themselves) This post serves as a deterrent to that. Potentially valid, day 1 pressure buildup/wagons are iffy but they are using better logic imo but doesn't make either of you necessarily more scummy / more towny just yet. I have a funny feeling I'll be wagoned by scum for an easy vote just because OM and Schia read me now. (if they aren't scum themselves) This post serves as a deterrent to that. I lied, I have to respond to this, it is too hard to ignore. The disclaimer on this is weird. Your initial statement assumes both me & OM are town, and the parentheses feel like an afterthought. This isn't TVTropes, I'm not sure how much success you'll have hanging a lampshade on that as opposed to like... doing actually useful things in-thread. Agreed, put more time into thought i guess.. Okay now schiavetto I'd like to ask you for your reads on the active players right now so I can see if I read you properly myself. To clarify this: if our reads align (because most of our thinking seemed to align), I'd like to place you as more town-like for now. |
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Post by Brady1014 on Jun 7, 2021 21:02:09 GMT
I'm keeping my vote until I hear the replies or as many as I need.
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Jun 7, 2021 21:08:20 GMT
god, Brady is so cool. Everyone should be more like brady
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Jun 7, 2021 21:08:42 GMT
 literally the essence of coolness, holy shit |
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Post by ScorrchingTheaph on Jun 7, 2021 21:09:31 GMT
I have a funny feeling I'll be wagoned by scum for an easy vote just because OM and Schia read me now. (if they aren't scum themselves) This post serves as a deterrent to that. Instead of making me want to avoid voting arby as a deterrent should, this post evokes the opposite feelings from me. The fear of being wagoned could very well be mafia paranoia as neither OM's read nor Schias agreement with OM's read have been backed with any hard evidence, or at least any that was previously stated. On top of that, neither of the two have moved towards voting arby. Taking into account mighty's vote, this would mean that the amount of votes to arby would increase to four if a theoretical scum decided to wagon after a town!OM and town!Schia were to do so. As we have seen from passthesaltdude, players seem to be adverse to jumping on large wagons early in the game since they "already have votes." To me, this response from arby seems like an disporportionate overreaction. |
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Post by Brady1014 on Jun 7, 2021 21:11:43 GMT
"Okay now schiavetto I'd like to ask you for your reads on the active players right now so I can see if I read you properly myself. To clarify this: if our reads align (because most of our thinking seemed to align), I'd like to place you as more town-like for now." - Brady1014 (Me)
I realize this may come off as a cop-out as I'd not be giving my own reads. And I also feel like everyone should have some sort of read on people by now, even though it's day 1 so "No one" is not acceptable. Regardless, OM is my only decently solid townlean as of right now as he basically said nothing I disagree with. Not intending to contradict this as I do townlean OM, but I may also need to consider he's more experienced with forums than me so this could be invalid i guess
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Post by ScorrchingTheaph on Jun 7, 2021 21:12:58 GMT
What's actually a FAR more likely interpretation of that post is that Fen is once again capitalizing on our intrinsic shared spirit in order to pocket me and bully you. Or maybe you're just jealous you didn't rand scum with us......... Potential truth to this actually, my interpretation was that he was throwing early shade and not pocketing but that's acceptable interpretation, either way sussy behavior. What if Fenrir actually had that dream and shared it since it was interesting, and is not using a deceptive tactic nor attempting to open wolf? |
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Post by Brady1014 on Jun 7, 2021 21:13:17 GMT
literally the essence of coolness, holy shit Also thanks one of my friends made it |
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Post by Brady1014 on Jun 7, 2021 21:14:30 GMT
Potential truth to this actually, my interpretation was that he was throwing early shade and not pocketing but that's acceptable interpretation, either way sussy behavior. What if Fenrir actually had that dream and shared it since it was interesting, and is not using a deceptive tactic nor attempting to open wolf? Overthinking it is a possibility, but opening up a game with that deserves some caution to be warranted |
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Post by ScorrchingTheaph on Jun 7, 2021 21:15:39 GMT
i have no idea how to reply, pls bear w me Your reply attempted to invalidate the micro townread based on postcount / emote usage and pocket schia by asking him to teach you his ways it's like scummy You are reaching but that is a day one OM thing to do. |
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Post by Brady1014 on Jun 7, 2021 21:20:00 GMT
I have a funny feeling I'll be wagoned by scum for an easy vote just because OM and Schia read me now. (if they aren't scum themselves) This post serves as a deterrent to that. Instead of making me want to avoid voting arby as a deterrent should, this post evokes the opposite feelings from me. The fear of being wagoned could very well be mafia paranoia as neither OM's read nor Schias agreement with OM's read have been backed with any hard evidence, or at least any that was previously stated. On top of that, neither of the two have moved towards voting arby. Taking into account mighty's vote, this would mean that the amount of votes to arby would increase to four if a theoretical scum decided to wagon after a town!OM and town!Schia were to do so. As we have seen from passthesaltdude, players seem to be adverse to jumping on large wagons early in the game since they "already have votes." To me, this response from arby seems like an disporportionate overreaction. Okay breaking this down to myself: I got a similar reaction in my head when I read this, but tone over text is hard to get. As to the "hard evidence" If you expect to get hard evidence early game think again my friend. It's the little slip-ups and mistakes people make that should be pointed out and questioned early on. Otherwise, the only progress we'd make is over night. also the logic in your post about how there would be 4 votes on Arby is invalid as scum would not wagon immediately after a double town wagon (in my opinion) Also the possibilities of scum being inactive exists. In summary, I wouldn't use math as an argument there |
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Post by Brady1014 on Jun 7, 2021 21:21:42 GMT
And yes I'm using your + arby's logic in assuming schia and om were town in that last reply of mine
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Post by ScorrchingTheaph on Jun 7, 2021 21:31:29 GMT
Instead of making me want to avoid voting arby as a deterrent should, this post evokes the opposite feelings from me. The fear of being wagoned could very well be mafia paranoia as neither OM's read nor Schias agreement with OM's read have been backed with any hard evidence, or at least any that was previously stated. On top of that, neither of the two have moved towards voting arby. Taking into account mighty's vote, this would mean that the amount of votes to arby would increase to four if a theoretical scum decided to wagon after a town!OM and town!Schia were to do so. As we have seen from passthesaltdude, players seem to be adverse to jumping on large wagons early in the game since they "already have votes." To me, this response from arby seems like an disporportionate overreaction. Okay breaking this down to myself: I got a similar reaction in my head when I read this, but tone over text is hard to get. As to the "hard evidence" If you expect to get hard evidence early game think again my friend. It's the little slip-ups and mistakes people make that should be pointed out and questioned early on. Otherwise, the only progress we'd make is over night. also the logic in your post about how there would be 4 votes on Arby is invalid as scum would not wagon immediately after a double town wagon (in my opinion) Also the possibilities of scum being inactive exists. In summary, I wouldn't use math as an argument there I did not mean to imply that there needs to be hard evidence for Day 1 votes, but OMs reasoning seems like grasping at straws in order to formulate a read to progress the game, as opposed to a serious push which is further evidenced by his lack of vote commitment to the read. Anyways I think we will make great progress this night. mightycannon + town!OM + town!Schia + scum wagonner = 4. This is not a mathematical arguement; I am just stating that in order for Arby to be "wagoned by scum for an easy vote," assuming OM and Schia are town, he would consequently have to reach four votes as long as mighty does not change their vote. Stating that scum would not wagon immediately after two town proves my point that Arby is paranoid of being wagonned. |
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Post by Brady1014 on Jun 7, 2021 21:36:04 GMT
Okay breaking this down to myself: I got a similar reaction in my head when I read this, but tone over text is hard to get. As to the "hard evidence" If you expect to get hard evidence early game think again my friend. It's the little slip-ups and mistakes people make that should be pointed out and questioned early on. Otherwise, the only progress we'd make is over night. also the logic in your post about how there would be 4 votes on Arby is invalid as scum would not wagon immediately after a double town wagon (in my opinion) Also the possibilities of scum being inactive exists. In summary, I wouldn't use math as an argument there I did not mean to imply that there needs to be hard evidence for Day 1 votes, but OMs reasoning seems like grasping at straws in order to formulate a read to progress the game, as opposed to a serious push which is further evidenced by his lack of vote commitment to the read. Anyways I think we will make great progress this night. mightycannon + town!OM + town!Schia + scum wagonner = 4. This is not a mathematical arguement; I am just stating that in order for Arby to be "wagoned by scum for an easy vote," assuming OM and Schia are town, he would consequently have to reach four votes as long as mighty does not change their vote. Stating that scum would not wagon immediately after two town proves my point that Arby is paranoid of being wagonned. Might've been my misinterpretation but regardless this clarified (I think?) Curious on why mightycannon was included there though? |
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Post by winsytinsy on Jun 7, 2021 21:40:02 GMT
I am here, albeit late. First time playing forum mafia, Can someone break down what has happened so far.(Also Hi! everyone)
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Post by ScorrchingTheaph on Jun 7, 2021 21:40:08 GMT
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Post by OM~! on Jun 7, 2021 21:40:31 GMT
Your reply attempted to invalidate the micro townread based on postcount / emote usage and pocket schia by asking him to teach you his ways it's like scummy yes, it did because the read was based off nothing and hence isn't really a strong read? You don't actively target that and use it for analysis on either slot, it's immediately jumping at it and jabbing at the read. also pocketing someone and invalidating their reads is contradictory. This is part of why the post is scummy  |
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Post by Brady1014 on Jun 7, 2021 21:40:32 GMT
Anyways, I could see the reads being grasping on straws per-se, I'd like to think it helped progress the day past the "hi, what now?" phase. Still, yes I agree arby had an overreaction considering 0 people are lynching him. And not to be that guy but I'm going to be that guy. It seems he is newer to forums. Overreacting I feel isn't necessarily that uncommon among the new. I'm not a fan of noob meta though but it's important info to put out
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Post by ForgotToFlush on Jun 7, 2021 21:40:54 GMT
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Post by Brady1014 on Jun 7, 2021 21:41:18 GMT
Okay my bad, looked at the lynch sheet and didn't see it. |
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Post by ScorrchingTheaph on Jun 7, 2021 21:41:19 GMT
I am here, albeit late. First time playing forum mafia, Can someone break down what has happened so far.(Also Hi! everyone) (Hey!) |
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Post by OM~! on Jun 7, 2021 21:42:45 GMT
(that is to say, you can do both, and the ""contradiction"" that arises is what makes it scummy, not the fact that it's ""contradictory"")
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Post by Brady1014 on Jun 7, 2021 21:44:09 GMT
I am here, albeit late. First time playing forum mafia, Can someone break down what has happened so far.(Also Hi! everyone) Uh honestly break downs are hard. If you can just read up on your own and gather thoughts that'd be nice. There's not a real rush in forum mafia. Even so, I still tend to post pretty quickly 😅 |
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Post by Brady1014 on Jun 7, 2021 21:45:36 GMT
(that is to say, you can do both, and the ""contradiction"" that arises is what makes it scummy, not the fact that it's ""contradictory"") Clarify what this means in regards to your post before this? |
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