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Post by ScorrchingTheaph on Jun 7, 2021 21:47:57 GMT
I think micro is town. Micro can hang. Rest of y'all tho? Messy, messy. the way you got that out of 15 words and an emoji. Please teach me your ways, my lord Is this post meant to be sarcastic? (serious question do not laugh) |
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Post by OM~! on Jun 7, 2021 21:51:57 GMT
(that is to say, you can do both, and the ""contradiction"" that arises is what makes it scummy, not the fact that it's ""contradictory"") Clarify what this means in regards to your post before this? It's just an addendum to the last part where I'm like 'this is why your post is scummy' clarifying my stance |
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Post by winsytinsy on Jun 7, 2021 21:52:37 GMT
Ok, Read up on everything, hard to make reads in general for me, plus I get voted d1 a lot so that doesn't help, Dont have any reads yet, will try to keep up with the conversation.
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Post by OM~! on Jun 7, 2021 21:52:53 GMT
yes, it did because the read was based off nothing and hence isn't really a strong read? You don't actively target that and use it for analysis on either slot, it's immediately jumping at it and jabbing at the read. also pocketing someone and invalidating their reads is contradictory. This is part of why the post is scummy  (that is to say, you can do both, and the ""contradiction"" that arises is what makes it scummy, not the fact that it's ""contradictory"") Emotionally these are one and the same post |
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Post by OM~! on Jun 7, 2021 21:53:36 GMT
Ok, Read up on everything, hard to make reads in general for me, plus I get voted d1 a lot so that doesn't help, Dont have any reads yet, will try to keep up with the conversation. Hmm Do you have any thoughts on what Brady1014 or ? are doing at the moment? |
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Post by Sheep★Go★Moo on Jun 7, 2021 21:54:10 GMT
Generally if someone were to pocket, they wouldn't invalidate the person they were pocketing’s reads, because if its incorrect you could throw themselves under the bus, drawing attention to yourself like that isn’t the best scumplay.
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Post by arby on Jun 7, 2021 21:54:13 GMT
I have a funny feeling I'll be wagoned by scum for an easy vote just because OM and Schia read me now. (if they aren't scum themselves) This post serves as a deterrent to that. Instead of making me want to avoid voting arby as a deterrent should, this post evokes the opposite feelings from me. The fear of being wagoned could very well be mafia paranoia as neither OM's read nor Schias agreement with OM's read have been backed with any hard evidence, or at least any that was previously stated. On top of that, neither of the two have moved towards voting arby. Taking into account mighty's vote, this would mean that the amount of votes to arby would increase to four if a theoretical scum decided to wagon after a town!OM and town!Schia were to do so. As we have seen from passthesaltdude, players seem to be adverse to jumping on large wagons early in the game since they "already have votes." To me, this response from arby seems like an disporportionate overreaction. to clarify - it was more or less meant as me foreseeing scum voting me later today whilst using the arguments Schia/OM made against me as a cop-out. It does assume Schia/OM as town which I suppose is an assumption I'm making as I don't intend to really vote either of them today. |
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Post by Brady1014 on Jun 7, 2021 21:54:13 GMT
You don't actively target that and use it for analysis on either slot, it's immediately jumping at it and jabbing at the read. This is part of why the post is scummy (that is to say, you can do both, and the ""contradiction"" that arises is what makes it scummy, not the fact that it's ""contradictory"") Emotionally these are one and the same post Then I should clarify: What is the "both" referring to |
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Jun 7, 2021 21:55:05 GMT
anyway, to actually respond - I won't quote but I will tag & link, re: Brady1014 [x]🙗 OM is about ~Emancipation levels, micro is sitting at a Caution. i don't really feel like explaining either of these in depth atm, so I won't, but I'll say they're both (and to different degrees) partially the result of specific player interactions, as opposed to any particular traits either is showing. the micro read is more likely to change than the om read. 🙖 as far as Fen goes, was mostly just a jab given our game history. I do think the pocketing this is like, an actual possibility, but I don't care enough abt that to pursue it - it's an easy joke to make, and whatever possibility of truth might be underlying it is overshadowed by players w more thread content. Just waiting for one of them Fen wallposts I love so much<3 He's pruobably like an E-MC 2🙗 i do have issues with arby here, but for different reasons than OM. OM read this post [x] as a pocket attempt, but i disagree w that interpretation bc it takes much much more schmaltz to win me over, and you've got to like, actually sell it. I actually read that post as being on the snarkier side, poking fun at an unelaborated read i gave on a slot that posted barely anything - just a cheeky way of going like "Dude, this read is dog mess, literally what" as an attempt to undermine the read, without having to do so outright. Idt that's intrinsically wolfy, but I do think it's weird that at that point in the interaction, arby had time to punch down against my (v v bare) townread on micro (for a post that was mostly just a vote) but didn't seem to interested in trying to grow any reads of his own, or interact with like, anything else on that page. The fact that he kept up the back & forth with me but never actually tried to get anything useful out of the exchange (despite the callout from his entry) + the disclaimery stuff i mentioned earlier basically just make me think he's not trying to read my alignment. bc he knows my alignment. arby is like.... Elusive Chanteuse levels rn. I can see him maybe climbing up to Music Box levels at some point if he gets it together. 🙖 Judging from the commentary you gave i'm p sure you have a solid idea of where i stand with Pass atm (MoaIA-tier), and while I could wait for him to respond to some things w his own thoughts, I'm just going to go ahead and speak to some things that are bugging me atm beyond the stuff i directly asked about. The whole thing abt not voting Fenrir and voting Ocean instead is weird to me bc his response [x] treats as serious that initial post where he talks abt me and fen being scum. the way i followed up on his Ocean vote, it would've been v easy to go "nah, i just wanted to push a lurker"--which like, okay, fine, not great but whatever. The vote happened in a post that reads very easily as someone just kind of memeing. The explanation he gave on follow-up makes it worse, though, because suddenly you have pass not only being having to answer for the ocean vote, but having to also justify his non-vote on Fenrir and the weird, weird comment on my slot, which seems to both imply that I am town and downplay that implication by trying to stir some paranoia making it out as though You Never Know What Schia Will Pull As Scum !_!. i can think of like, a handful of situations where town makes those posts, but i'm having a much easier time reading them as coming from wolf--so i'm super eager to hear back from pass on all this! |
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Jun 7, 2021 21:56:12 GMT
I'm annoyed bc you all gave me things to read while I was typing that, so now I have to go back and read the rest of page 3. I will never forgive you for this, sinners, all of you.
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Post by arby on Jun 7, 2021 21:56:30 GMT
yes, it did because the read was based off nothing and hence isn't really a strong read? You don't actively target that and use it for analysis on either slot, it's immediately jumping at it and jabbing at the read. also pocketing someone and invalidating their reads is contradictory. This is part of why the post is scummy 1) there was absolutely nothing else in the game atp and it was intended to stimulate some form of discussion, which it did. 2) agreed with scorr that you're reaching. |
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Post by winsytinsy on Jun 7, 2021 21:56:58 GMT
Seems like They were just bouncing ideas at the moment, reasoning out logic. I feel like brady might be trying a little too hard to sell as town, but Dont take my word for it. ? Seems fine for the moment.
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Post by Sheep★Go★Moo on Jun 7, 2021 21:57:15 GMT
As for the brady situation i’m happy to give my thoughts: so far their messages just read general d1 filler (which with d1 i don’t find is related to either factionj), commenting on things but not giving insight like iioa could be more of a scum trait for certain this early, but i like to give iioa d1 to get some ideas out there, and saying you can understand others reads but not developing on them bothers me a little too, small sl but not too sure.
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Post by arby on Jun 7, 2021 21:57:17 GMT
the way you got that out of 15 words and an emoji. Please teach me your ways, my lord Is this post meant to be sarcastic? (serious question do not laugh) sarcasm with a little bit of seriousness to stimulate some discussion in the game |
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Post by winsytinsy on Jun 7, 2021 21:58:48 GMT
d1 is always the hardest with very little to go on, and I don't want to jump to a conclusion using too little evidence
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Post by arby on Jun 7, 2021 21:59:02 GMT
Anyways, I could see the reads being grasping on straws per-se, I'd like to think it helped progress the day past the "hi, what now?" phase. Still, yes I agree arby had an overreaction considering 0 people are lynching him. And not to be that guy but I'm going to be that guy. It seems he is newer to forums. Overreacting I feel isn't necessarily that uncommon among the new. I'm not a fan of noob meta though but it's important info to put out you are correct - this is my 2nd forum game. by that guy, do you mean the person who tries to pocket the newer player lol? |
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Post by winsytinsy on Jun 7, 2021 21:59:20 GMT
But at the moment Id say that ocean is possible scum for lurking, and no comment on p much everyone else
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Post by OM~! on Jun 7, 2021 21:59:37 GMT
Emotionally these are one and the same post Then I should clarify: What is the "both" referring to Pocketing and read invalidation |
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Post by Sheep★Go★Moo on Jun 7, 2021 21:59:54 GMT
Well i’m not sure on the tactics for d1 in forum mafia, but generally pressuring people into thoughts and feelings (potential slips too) about the game is always useful (there i go fillering and being a hypocrite)
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Post by winsytinsy on Jun 7, 2021 21:59:55 GMT
i do want to vote someone before I have to get off for a while tho
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Post by winsytinsy on Jun 7, 2021 22:00:34 GMT
Ah well
**vote ocean**
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Post by OM~! on Jun 7, 2021 22:00:46 GMT
You don't actively target that and use it for analysis on either slot, it's immediately jumping at it and jabbing at the read. This is part of why the post is scummy 1) there was absolutely nothing else in the game atp and it was intended to stimulate some form of discussion, which it did. 2) agreed with scorr that you're reaching. I have never reached in my life, ever |
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Jun 7, 2021 22:00:46 GMT
"Okay now schiavetto I'd like to ask you for your reads on the active players right now so I can see if I read you properly myself. To clarify this: if our reads align (because most of our thinking seemed to align), I'd like to place you as more town-like for now." - Brady1014 (Me) I realize this may come off as a cop-out as I'd not be giving my own reads. And I also feel like everyone should have some sort of read on people by now, even though it's day 1 so "No one" is not acceptable. Regardless, OM is my only decently solid townlean as of right now as he basically said nothing I disagree with. Not intending to contradict this as I do townlean OM, but I may also need to consider he's more experienced with forums than me so this could be invalid i guess I actually appreciated it, esp as it was framed more like "I've been mindmelding with you a lot based on this specific readthrough, so I want to get a sense of your reads on the whole in order to get a better sense of where things are at." I think it's easy to be like "I like this", "I agree with this", etc. as either alignment when you're getting caught up on thread, but the self-assessing/taking the time to dig deeper into those points of agreement is real hecking neato if you ask me. |
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Post by Sheep★Go★Moo on Jun 7, 2021 22:01:56 GMT
btw, use to bold
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Post by micromorphic on Jun 7, 2021 22:02:15 GMT
Im very behind oop but I’m here now yay "Okay now schiavetto I'd like to ask you for your reads on the active players right now so I can see if I read you properly myself. To clarify this: if our reads align (because most of our thinking seemed to align), I'd like to place you as more town-like for now." - Brady1014 (Me) I realize this may come off as a cop-out as I'd not be giving my own reads. And I also feel like everyone should have some sort of read on people by now, even though it's day 1 so "No one" is not acceptable. Regardless, OM is my only decently solid townlean as of right now as he basically said nothing I disagree with. Not intending to contradict this as I do townlean OM, but I may also need to consider he's more experienced with forums than me so this could be invalid i guess It doesn’t necessarily have to be a full fledged “read”, but do you have anyone you sr atm? You’ve nitpicked a lot on stuff ppl have said, which is fine if you used the questions you’re asking to form a read of sorts. Also I’ve noticed you’ve been using “experience with forums” in some of your messages (including the one quoted in this message), but forum mafia is normal mafia but with more reading so why are you using that reasoning to show you’re not certain on your townread? |
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