Vertigo
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Post by Vertigo on Jun 14, 2021 22:35:57 GMT
kliff u r still here right, can u clarify ur read on vertigo pls . Don't necessarily want another peguinD 2.0(iirc) to happen Low activity these past days may be scummy, especially given my day 1. I'll be more active from now on tho. |
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Post by Fort Colorcastle on Jun 14, 2021 22:41:24 GMT
im ngl i haven't noticed fort at all... everything they say seems alright but nothing in it stands out to me and makes me go "yeah he's town" but that just might be not reading too much. I might reread later on but rn im a bit busy with exam prep so can't :x also for all of the people saying gary is town - I want people to counter the arguments put forth other than just saying "the reasoning is bad/lackluster". Can someone explain to me how a townie goes through the process of "x is probably bussing y, so let me vote y because x is townier!" Also FOS on Kliff bc his reads change from day to day and his replies to all of my qs are rather vague... his day 1 peng read disappeared day 2 and turned to vote on Gary, who's vote progression seemed artificial. Now, on D3, his Gary read seems to have disappeared... it seems like he has an agenda that he's deciding at night bc these change in reads do not seem natural to me. People who tr kliff could you explain to me why kliff is town? Aside from his analysis on cyan/peng/gary team which i liked atp, i really don't see much So quo had this read on me first and a lot of other people seem to have just sheeped it. Am i actually just pure NAI or is this just lazy reading? Some of the people who said it at first later came to develop reads on me, so i think it's the latter.
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Post by Fort Colorcastle on Jun 14, 2021 22:48:37 GMT
Okay, I understand your thoughts on cyan and gary (@ vertigo's responses). I don't think a cyan vote is happening today (thankfully)
If gary flips town, where do you go from there?
If gary flips scum, then what?
What are your thoughts wrt artic? If we assume everyone is active enough for a shift, do you think that's a valid lynch for today? Tomorrow (if gary flips town/scum)?
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Vertigo
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Post by Vertigo on Jun 14, 2021 22:56:48 GMT
Okay, I understand your thoughts on cyan and gary (@ vertigo's responses). I don't think a cyan vote is happening today (thankfully) If gary flips town, where do you go from there? If gary flips scum, then what? What are your thoughts wrt artic? If we assume everyone is active enough for a shift, do you think that's a valid lynch for today? Tomorrow (if gary flips town/scum)? If Gary flips scum, I'll have to reconsider my vote on Cyan since they are not compatible from my point of view. If he flips town, I think people would expect me to vote Cyan and this is probably what I would do anyway. Regarding arti : I have mixed feelings. - Feigning Undecisiveness - Saying that Cyan was bussing me, voting me, and saying that he voted me over cyan because cyan was townier - Been Cwagon on D1 and D2, but not being voted - Sheeping reads in his wall posts Alternatively, why did you TR gary in the first place? U have conveniently avoided this question all game i answered that :# i tled them d1 since i sred ddlc and gary+cyan were pushing that. i didn't understand the day 2 wagon at all since it felt like an overly weak reasoning and it the wagon felt less than pure(but i guess scum would've considered peng the easier wagon to push along?) cyan mentioned this: One thing to note is that if we lynch gary here we'd be lynching the third of the three day 1 wagons (lmao), which is probably a result of not having real nightkills to analyze? Actually, I think that's a funny if not particularly compelling reason to be lynching gary: "Is it really possible for ALL three counterwagons to have been town?" isn't it just chaos+verti who are pushing for gary to be removed? i feel like the counter wagon theory falls flat when its the same people trying to start up a wagon (or atleast, results in a hard tr on chaos+verti from cyan?)day1: Gary the Savage (3):Chaostrodon,Vertigo,Ddlcfan69 day2: Gary the Savage(3):Chaostrodon,Vertigo,Kliff I don't see where it comes from. Gary's wagon have been a thing way before I hoped on it, so I'm kinda confused. womp hi alright so i looked back a bit and am realizing that people are overblowing my tl on day 1, gary and cyan just sounded like they were sensibly trying to push ddlc and that lined up with what i wanted (pressure on ddlc) which made me tl them a bit i think that is @skyfigureoa's main question from me rn Beyond that i'd love to see a votecount since i really am bad at casing stuff without one uh when i posted it was largley iioa i admit since i couldn't get a decent read from what i was observing, i remember quojova pointing out d1 that "fort fitted in their scumrange" or smth similar which was why i asked them to scumcase fort since i was wondering if it ever went further than that but from what i can tell you just null read them? i really don't get why peng is sring me but i do agree that a slot as null as this would be more detrimental to town than beneficial and would be inclined to vote them out i don't have any interactions with verti or wape since...there's nothing i can really pick out from them from memory so lemme start casing them  Wape: i kinda disliked how long wape stayed on gary without any decent reasoning(re: fake uncertainty and nothing else) but assuming gary is town wape's actions line up with a towny mindset. Day 1 ddlc votes were generally understandable but that might just be my pov aligning with them vertigo: the more i read into vert vs ddlc the more it just looks like two towns(in retrospect since i assumed it'd be scum ddlc v vertigo although i can't discount scum vertigo v ddlc) i liked that they pointed out how few interactions couldn't be ai considering we're still in the early-game. they did call out penguin to be a null slot rather than a blatant sl which didn't make sense to me from a townie perspective(reluctance to vote partner? diverting attention? the gary vote still doesn't make sense to me beyond "they don't have any substance in their posts"i understand that gary is the plur right now but i can't get behind the reasoning for the vote if anyone would like to elaborate that i'd be super happy. i'll probably double post since i'm awake rn brb Have this read been updated, especially since my low activity ? I think it's just the standard template of someone analyzing a tvt interaction and that is not genuine reads. This is just pointing out obvious things and repeating what i said in my posts. Worth looking at this slot, no matter Gary's alignment. |
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Post by Fort Colorcastle on Jun 14, 2021 23:03:32 GMT
Why is this post giving me scum pings i'll be miffed if you ignore my larger post just to give this :/ you haven't pursued any other potential wagon, or read, in favour of generating a scumteam on gary starting since day1 there were a few points in your iso where you pointed out other scumteams but never took any action on it(whether vote or further commentary)? idgi This must be a hell of a confident read yet i really don't get why you wouldn't push it harder considering this is the third day you're trying to remove gts especially considering how half-heartedly you're doing so(that's a toneread so it may be subjective), it doesn't add into the town perspective of actually wanting to get scum out which is again confusing me. Creating a relatively weak wagon(they're indecisive) then calling it out for counterwagons when your push is odd in itself(hell i don't even get what made you townread peng on day2) makes even less sense.
honestly if gary flips scum i want to look into chaos as his partner. this level of tunnel push doesn't really make sense for a townie imo.
actually if gary flips town (like i expect him to) i'm still going to be interested in a chaos vote.
I just skimmed through his iso and almost all of his interactions are about gary, with a couple townpoints given to people here and there. Nothing meaningful outside of the gary read. I think the big issue with chaos is that I can't follow his reasoning. I'm just reading all of this and I feel like I'm missing something.
honestly in light of vertigo's recent posts, and based on how he responds to my questions, i might be more interested in lynching chaos today than vert.
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Post by Gary The Savage on Jun 14, 2021 23:04:07 GMT
1. Choas has been on Gary Since day 1 it seems. For sticking to 1 vote for so long I believe there is a lack of passion. Don't think these two have talked directly at all.
2. Vertigo has ended voting Gary EOD but also seemed to lack any passion for the vote in the span of 2 full days.
3. Wallape, Fort, and Articunight as all been a part of two mis-lynches. This is interesting and I think this may be a factor to consider later on. There could be 1 scum on that pair with the mindset of just joining the bigger wagons. I have to disagree : I was on Cyan for valid reasons, and I moved onto GTS for valid reasons, and you can find out in my post where I'm giving reads. as stated in my wallpost, vertigo was and still is a sl for having done nothing to contribute to the game, let alone a town wincon Why is it giving me strong vibes of survivalism ? wouldn't it be better to vote vertigo over sfl though? I feel like the sfl vote is just a bank shot and hoping it hits Maybe I'm just paranoid Vote Gary The Savageah yes, the survivalism I pre-prepared myself for in the wallpost, considering I posted that on d2 |
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Post by Fort Colorcastle on Jun 14, 2021 23:04:29 GMT
oh he responded, let's see
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Post by kliff on Jun 14, 2021 23:05:13 GMT
Why were you on Gary Day 1 and Early Day 2? What intentions did you have?
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Post by Gary The Savage on Jun 14, 2021 23:06:13 GMT
Kage Cyan Talon. Can I ask you to just read verti's iso. Chaos and ape have tunneled me into the ground, so I feel like ur my only shot
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Post by Gary The Savage on Jun 14, 2021 23:08:33 GMT
who the hell is Kage Cyan and why they gotts ruin everything
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Post by quojova on Jun 14, 2021 23:08:34 GMT
my bad i missed a lot of this phase
i don't even really know who I want to hang rn but I'll see
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Post by Fort Colorcastle on Jun 14, 2021 23:10:37 GMT
my bad i missed a lot of this phase i don't even really know who I want to hang rn but I'll see what happened to your reread? |
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Post by quojova on Jun 14, 2021 23:13:22 GMT
im not really interested in hanging gary
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Post by Gary The Savage on Jun 14, 2021 23:13:41 GMT
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Post by quojova on Jun 14, 2021 23:13:54 GMT
my bad i missed a lot of this phase i don't even really know who I want to hang rn but I'll see what happened to your reread? fever-like symptoms came back and I took a break a pretty big break |
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Post by kliff on Jun 14, 2021 23:14:45 GMT
1. Choas has been on Gary Since day 1 it seems. For sticking to 1 vote for so long I believe there is a lack of passion. Don't think these two have talked directly at all.
2. Vertigo has ended voting Gary EOD but also seemed to lack any passion for the vote in the span of 2 full days.
3. Wallape, Fort, and Articunight as all been a part of two mis-lynches. This is interesting and I think this may be a factor to consider later on. There could be 1 scum on that pair with the mindset of just joining the bigger wagons. I have to disagree : I was on Cyan for valid reasons, and I moved onto GTS for valid reasons, and you can find out in my post where I'm giving reads. Vote Gary The Savage |
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Post by quojova on Jun 14, 2021 23:21:49 GMT
im starting my reread for real now
so far my wallape tr has grown a lot
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Vertigo
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Post by Vertigo on Jun 14, 2021 23:25:37 GMT
I have to disagree : I was on Cyan for valid reasons, and I moved onto GTS for valid reasons, and you can find out in my post where I'm giving reads. Vote Gary The SavageI don't see what's wrong with my reasons for voting him. If you do think one of chaos/arti/cyan is a better vote and that they can die tonight, I'd be glad to listen to why. Until then, GTS is my vote. |
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Post by quojova on Jun 14, 2021 23:26:39 GMT
im not all that interested in a vert wagon either tbh
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Post by Gary The Savage on Jun 14, 2021 23:27:42 GMT
why am I ur vote tho
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Post by quojova on Jun 14, 2021 23:28:39 GMT
im kinda doubting that chaos and vert actually have partner equity given just how close they have stuck together
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Post by quojova on Jun 14, 2021 23:29:29 GMT
im quite interested in a chaos wagon
moderately interested in a cyan wagon
i think sky not as town as I previously gave him credit for
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Post by kliff on Jun 14, 2021 23:32:09 GMT
Why is vertigo the best vote? I'm pretty sure you have other scum leans. Why are you doing about them? Just seems like your just existing
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Post by quojova on Jun 14, 2021 23:32:13 GMT
vote chaos
want to accelerate wagon progression
wallape is my new top town
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Post by quojova on Jun 14, 2021 23:40:55 GMT
Vertigo what do you think about chaos
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