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Post by articunight on Jun 14, 2021 15:37:53 GMT
so hi there just a quick post please someone accumulate all the reasons why gary is scumread because i still fail to understand the wagon and the thought progression behind it. Why is this post giving me scum pings i'll be miffed if you ignore my larger post just to give this :/ you haven't pursued any other potential wagon, or read, in favour of generating a scumteam on gary starting since day1 there were a few points in your iso where you pointed out other scumteams but never took any action on it(whether vote or further commentary)? idgi This must be a hell of a confident read yet i really don't get why you wouldn't push it harder considering this is the third day you're trying to remove gts especially considering how half-heartedly you're doing so(that's a toneread so it may be subjective), it doesn't add into the town perspective of actually wanting to get scum out which is again confusing me. Creating a relatively weak wagon(they're indecisive) then calling it out for counterwagons when your push is odd in itself(hell i don't even get what made you townread peng on day2) makes even less sense. |
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Post by wallape on Jun 14, 2021 15:40:32 GMT
- Feigning Undecisiveness - Saying that Cyan was bussing me, voting me, and saying that he voted me over cyan because cyan was townier - Been Cwagon on D1 and D2, but not being voted - Sheeping reads in his wall posts Alternatively, why did you TR gary in the first place? U have conveniently avoided this question all game i answered that :# i tled them d1 since i sred ddlc and gary+cyan were pushing that. i didn't understand the day 2 wagon at all since it felt like an overly weak reasoning and it the wagon felt less than pure(but i guess scum would've considered peng the easier wagon to push along?) cyan mentioned this: One thing to note is that if we lynch gary here we'd be lynching the third of the three day 1 wagons (lmao), which is probably a result of not having real nightkills to analyze? Actually, I think that's a funny if not particularly compelling reason to be lynching gary: "Is it really possible for ALL three counterwagons to have been town?" isn't it just chaos+verti who are pushing for gary to be removed? i feel like the counter wagon theory falls flat when its the same people trying to start up a wagon (or atleast, results in a hard tr on chaos+verti from cyan?) day1: Gary the Savage (3):Chaostrodon,Vertigo,Ddlcfan69 day2: Gary the Savage(3):Chaostrodon,Vertigo,Kliff ok man guess my contributions to the gary/ddlc wagons can be ignored :sadsnom: |
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Post by wallape on Jun 14, 2021 15:43:48 GMT
memes aside though just because someone has similar reads to you doesn't mean they're town though? In fact I think its an extremely weak reason.
+ Gary wasn't even pushing ddlc, rather he defended him.
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Post by articunight on Jun 14, 2021 15:49:48 GMT
memes aside though just because someone has similar reads to you doesn't mean they're town though? In fact I think its an extremely weak reason. + Gary wasn't even pushing ddlc, rather he defended him. o you mean my tl on gary+cyan? that was just a day 1 assumption to improve my rvs which is repeatedly being overblown that i did address earlier :# i don't deny it, it is a weak reason thats why it was just a soft day 1 tl but i still stand with what i said regarding how weird the wagon has been |
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Post by skyfigueroa on Jun 14, 2021 15:52:50 GMT
kliff u r still here right, can u clarify ur read on vertigo pls
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Post by quojova on Jun 14, 2021 16:07:53 GMT
good morning
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Post by quojova on Jun 14, 2021 16:15:09 GMT
im ngl i haven't noticed fort at all... everything they say seems alright but nothing in it stands out to me and makes me go "yeah he's town" but that just might be not reading too much. I might reread later on but rn im a bit busy with exam prep so can't :x also for all of the people saying gary is town - I want people to counter the arguments put forth other than just saying "the reasoning is bad/lackluster". Can someone explain to me how a townie goes through the process of "x is probably bussing y, so let me vote y because x is townier!" Also FOS on Kliff bc his reads change from day to day and his replies to all of my qs are rather vague... his day 1 peng read disappeared day 2 and turned to vote on Gary, who's vote progression seemed artificial. Now, on D3, his Gary read seems to have disappeared... it seems like he has an agenda that he's deciding at night bc these change in reads do not seem natural to me. People who tr kliff could you explain to me why kliff is town? Aside from his analysis on cyan/peng/gary team which i liked atp, i really don't see much who said the highlighted part? on kliff I think changing reads a lot is not inherently scummy tbh they show a lack of care for being internally consistent but tbf if kliff can't answer why his reads changed at all that is scummy |
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Post by wallape on Jun 14, 2021 16:15:16 GMT
ok in that case who do u think is a good lynch for today articunight |
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Post by wallape on Jun 14, 2021 16:16:40 GMT
Um sir if u do think this is true then why did you want to vote me over cyan? Atp cyan was being pushed by vertigo as well, whereas I had near no traction. Surely if you thought both of us were scum then you'd vote the person with more traction? Also basing ur read on us on *A SHIFT FROM RVS VOTE* is also an extremely weak reasoning. While my previous sr on u was based heavily on ur tone, this gives me more reasons to vote u so... Unvote Penguin d, Vote GaryTheSavagebecause sfl was and still is significantly more town than you. Vote: PenguinD |
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Post by wallape on Jun 14, 2021 16:18:04 GMT
zzz it got rid of the gary quote but if u look in gary iso its the first thing u find
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Post by quojova on Jun 14, 2021 16:23:16 GMT
not none but i didn't think any gary wagoners were likely bussers and of the non-gary voters some of them are like sky who is my top tr and in general how often do you see such a fast wagon formation on scum from the outset of the day based in imo fairly weak reasoning without anyone opposing it; it was extremely unnatural to me
i will reevaluate all of this at some point later in the phase but not rn also i think i asked you who you thought were the most likely gary partners yesterday; you might have but did you ever respond to that?  ?? You called me a scumlean for saying this same shit yesterday. While that is true , think about all the votes on Penguin at the end of the day yesterday, a lurker slot that would give no info and was town from voting history. The idea that Penguin wagon gained traction due to scum pushing a cw to Gary is feasible imo. wdym by the highlighted this is kinda how I am currently contextualizing the events: -at the start of the day a bunch of people wagoned gary in a way that was unnatural and sizably decreased his scumchance as a result -sky and I pointed that out repeatedly and pressured a bunch of people to justifiably switch yes it's feasible that gary has partners off that but I don't think that movement makes him being scum likely because I think all the people who switched had justifiable reasons for doing so whereas the formation of the gary wagon itself actually decreases his scumchance to me admittedly this is a pretty macroscopic view and a lot of it was dependent on penguin having high scum equity so it might change |
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Post by kliff on Jun 14, 2021 16:30:19 GMT
kliff u r still here right, can u clarify ur read on vertigo pls . Don't necessarily want another peguinD 2.0(iirc) to happen |
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Post by quojova on Jun 14, 2021 16:32:07 GMT
im gonna reread the game
will post back periodically as i do
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Post by skyfigueroa on Jun 14, 2021 16:44:52 GMT
kliff u r still here right, can u clarify ur read on vertigo pls . Don't necessarily want another peguinD 2.0(iirc) to happen oh i didn't really get that from the graph u made. unless 6/12 readgraph literally means just ur read progression on 6/12 alone, i kinda assumed it was more for the entire game |
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Post by Gary The Savage on Jun 14, 2021 17:53:40 GMT
Vote: Vertigo
i suppose
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Post by kliff on Jun 14, 2021 20:33:23 GMT
Can we not CW/ Vote someone under the premise that they aren’t contributing\talking on Day 3.
will dissect when I get home
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Post by Fort Colorcastle on Jun 14, 2021 21:09:23 GMT
Can we not CW/ Vote someone under the premise that they aren’t contributing\talking on Day 3.
will dissect when I get home you wanna do that on day 4 instead? |
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Post by articunight on Jun 14, 2021 21:09:57 GMT
ok in that case who do u think is a good lynch for today articunight _ re: stuff doesn't add up, i can't see the town perspective from this slot |
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Post by kliff on Jun 14, 2021 21:23:30 GMT
Can we not CW/ Vote someone under the premise that they aren’t contributing\talking on Day 3.
will dissect when I get home you wanna do that on day 4 instead?
They are not going anywhere. Day 3 we should aim for scum that death would be fruitful. |
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Post by Gary The Savage on Jun 14, 2021 21:45:18 GMT
the thing is nobody on me is openly shifting off of me
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Post by smallworldz on Jun 14, 2021 22:00:04 GMT
Voted:Votee
(hammer:6)
Gary the savage* (3):Chaostrodon,Wallape,Cyan Talon
Cyan talon (1):Kliff
Vertigo (3):Fortcolors,skyfigureroa,Gary the savage
Chaostrodon (1):articunight
Not voting:Vertigo,quojova
Deadline is 3 hours from writing of this post
If deadline was now Gary the savage would be hammered
LMK if i missed anything
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Post by Vertigo on Jun 14, 2021 22:05:19 GMT
Voted:Votee
(hammer 7)
Ddlcfan69 (4):Cyan Talon, Wallape,Articuknight,Fortcolors
Gary the Savage (3):Chaostrodon,Vertigo,Ddlcfan69
Voted:Votee (Hammer 6) Gary the Savage(3): Chaostrodon,Vertigo,Kliff PenguinD(5)*:Quojova, Fortcolors,Gary The Savage, Wallape, Articunight
2. Vertigo has ended voting Gary EOD but also seemed to lack any passion for the vote in the span of 2 full days.
3. Wallape, Fort, and Articunight as all been a part of two mis-lynches. This is interesting and I think this may be a factor to consider later on. There could be 1 scum on that pair with the mindset of just joining the bigger wagons.I have to disagree : I was on Cyan for valid reasons, and I moved onto GTS for valid reasons, and you can find out in my post where I'm giving reads. as stated in my wallpost, vertigo was and still is a sl for having done nothing to contribute to the game, let alone a town wincon Why is it giving me strong vibes of survivalism ? wouldn't it be better to vote vertigo over sfl though? I feel like the sfl vote is just a bank shot and hoping it hits Maybe I'm just paranoid Vote Gary The Savage |
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Post by Vertigo on Jun 14, 2021 22:10:36 GMT
Why are you on them Still till this day? If they flip town Where would you look next? So my pool looks something like : GTS , Cyan , Vertigo , Fortcolors , Wallape and Articunight The shifting of votes of Gary or onto Penguin at the EOD yday makes me think Gary has a team. I mean , how is it possible that one generic wallpost caused so many people to shift off. That being said , Gary- Cyan and Gary-Vertigo are not probably compatible And from recent developments , I doubt Fortcolors - Vertigo are not compatible either If Gary flips town , I will look at my pool again and do more interaction analysis What about cyan, wallape and arti then |
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Post by Vertigo on Jun 14, 2021 22:16:49 GMT
um so do we want jk to claim here or not? how dumb of a question... 3 possibles: 1) doc protected target 2) jk protected target 3) jk roleblocked killer
i feel like you would've known this and this statement is very questionable. However, I still don't find you scummy after doing my iso yesterday
this is a fat assumption friend.
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Anyways, I must say that I think gary hasn't been as scummy as people claim he is, and I did my iso and concluded he was town, so I'm not quite comfortable with that wagon right now. I do wonder if scum!cyan actually just parks a vote on gary for 3 days though? That's a LOT of conviction in a read, especially with people debunking (what i saw as) the primary indecisiveness argument. Now, from what I can see, the main reason to lynch Gary is that... he's been a counterwagon for both days we lynched a town? That's.... an interesting argument to say the least xd.
I need to do a cyan iso at some point, and I'm looking for activity from artic and vertigo. For now, Vote: vertigo
vertigo spent ost of day 1 discussing the nature of assumptions and pmeta from ps
he has about 2 meaningful interactions in this game, which was a heavy FoS on cyan day 1, and his vote(s?) on gary. he also said he nullread penguin and was fine with lynching penguin day 1, but that's not really meaningful to me. Everything else is literally just filler or besides the point.I don't know where votes are exactly, but since Cyan did provide more stuff to work with than GTS, for the moment I will Unvote Cyan Talon, Vote Gary The Savage and will look at Cyan's postings more in depth from next day on Because one of the main wagons I'm looking into pushing today is you, and this was pretty much the last meaningful statement you made (in day 1), what are your thoughts on the cyan slot now? The gary slot? In red : To be concise : do you think Cyan's case has evolved, at a point where I should reconsider voting him back ? Cyan is still in my pool but the GTS makes more sense atm for me In blue : I just explained. I still sr Cyan but the way they've been involved in this game made me reconsider my vote over GTS. If anything, I'm voting GTS tonight, but if someones raises a valid point for Cyan I'll probably get back on him |
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Post by Vertigo on Jun 14, 2021 22:28:31 GMT
this kind of feels like an opportunistic guilt-trip instead of an actual attempt to push vertigo. also since some of y'all are students i'm gonna give you some advice as an asian nerd: study in a way that works best for you, and let people study in a way that works best for them. if you think removing mental distractions like the urge to post in your forum mafia game is giving you a harder time with processing both, take a LoA and focus on your real life. would've appreciated if verti warned us of this in advance, though im a bit peeved with vertigo too for redacted reasons but if ur really busy with exams tho then im sorry but man. It's the last week, should be better now and there's not a lot to catch up, if anyone have questions for me before deadline I'm here to answer tho |
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