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Post by wallape on Jun 16, 2021 2:31:23 GMT
[Insert what chaos said]
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Post by wallape on Jun 16, 2021 2:34:40 GMT
I feel even more uncomfortable with the cw bc it went from 3plur gary and 3votes vertigo to 6 votescyan and 2 votes gary in the matter of a few hrs
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Post by chaostrodon on Jun 16, 2021 2:35:03 GMT
i still think verti is a major suspect. i also wrote a reminder on my phone after the dl saying fos on kliffbut i don't remember the reason why, should have written it down lol. ill try to recall after class. i think it was something about a suspicion of kliff/vert tho This is just wishful thinking imo. You are just hoping the lowest poster would be scum. We have lynched 3 town consecutively . Far more likely scum is hardcore influencing the game rather than just coasting by. |
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Post by wallape on Jun 16, 2021 2:36:11 GMT
i still think verti is a major suspect. i also wrote a reminder on my phone after the dl saying fos on kliffbut i don't remember the reason why, should have written it down lol. ill try to recall after class. i think it was something about a suspicion of kliff/vert tho can u case vertigo for me? Not to be rude but your push on vertigo seems more like ur frustrated at him for not playing rather than him doing smth scummy |
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Post by chaostrodon on Jun 16, 2021 2:54:42 GMT
So I've reread the cyan slot and quite frankly I'm down for this vote now. Unvote: Chaos
Vote: Cyan Talonto reiterate why Gary is my vote (as of now): he seems to be unnaturally indecisive when it comes to reads, as if he's trying not to say anything conclusive while doing so that being said this is a weak read and i need more information to work with right now i am extremely lost after two days of being unable to point anything out from anything in this game. i kind of want to say that the fact that we voted on two anti-town wagons up to this point worries me slightly. given how vote patterns went i think gary is the strongest (two counterwagons built on anti-town slots) VOTE: Gary The Savage when all else fails, you go back to basics. and basics tell me gary's wagon has had two consecutive counters that were pushed primarily for anti-town behaviour. that in and of itself is grounds for suspicion imo so i'd like to hear your thoughts about it nope, i didn't this is a standalone read based on wagons, but i'd wager at least one of the cw-voters would be a potential partner that is to say, wallape and articunight are prime choices for a partner. from interactions between gary and wallape i'm more willing to label gary + arti here as a team (the d2 votecount iso labels articunight as both abstaining and voting penguin, iso check shows the latter) irt fast wagon formation; the fact that the penguind wagon surfaced and gained immense traction out of nowhere to counter gary's wagon was, well, proof of an opposition to gary's wagon. it came late, though, so that's something to think about Their reasoning for being on gary is just. so weak. It feels like he just needed to say something when parking his vote there. First day it was indecisiveness, when gary was demonstrably only indecisive about 1 slot. Now it's the fact that gary was wagoned for 2 days and a townie died instead of him. THAT'S his reasoning, for today. Please tell me if I missed a post because I think But from what I see this doesn't make sense to me
Right. His reasoning was weak. But your reasoning that he is scum because his reasoning was weak is very reasonable |
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Post by quojova on Jun 16, 2021 3:03:52 GMT
I have some reason to think wallape and chaos are not partnered
I think the movement at EoD yesterday was not inherently bad for the game and I think if we had more time we could have realized that the cyan wagon was very off
there's a lot to unpack there though
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Post by quojova on Jun 16, 2021 3:08:01 GMT
wdym by the highlighted this is kinda how I am currently contextualizing the events: -at the start of the day a bunch of people wagoned gary in a way that was unnatural and sizably decreased his scumchance as a result -sky and I pointed that out repeatedly and pressured a bunch of people to justifiably switch yes it's feasible that gary has partners off that but I don't think that movement makes him being scum likely because I think all the people who switched had justifiable reasons for doing so whereas the formation of the gary wagon itself actually decreases his scumchance to me admittedly this is a pretty macroscopic view and a lot of it was dependent on penguin having high scum equity so it might change the one post that gives me pause on chaos being scum specifically the highlighted thinking about it more rn You are starting to annoy me What you said about Gary wagon being fast was what I was saying in the highlighted part , just in different words. The number of times people have come in and shifted plur off gary in the last second is just unnatural. And the cw has been town every damn time to be clear when I say it gives me pause on you being scum I mean that post in particular tilts in the town direction I might not be understanding what you are trying to get across to me here though from memory I feel like I cannot really analyze the shifts off gary very much because they are like always done by me the enthusiasm to go along with that in the rest of the pl is something I want to look at though and maybe sky |
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Post by quojova on Jun 16, 2021 3:11:53 GMT
I think fort's wagon movement was very weird here
going back to see what I think about it
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Post by quojova on Jun 16, 2021 3:12:41 GMT
Voted:Votee
(hammer:6)
Gary the savage* (3):Chaostrodon,Wallape,Cyan Talon
Cyan talon (1):Kliff
Vertigo (3):Fortcolors,skyfigureroa,Gary the savage
Chaostrodon (1):articunight
Not voting:Vertigo,quojova
Deadline is 3 hours from writing of this post
If deadline was now Gary the savage would be hammered
LMK if i missed anything quoting this because it is the basis for a lot vert votes gary shortly after |
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Post by quojova on Jun 16, 2021 3:21:36 GMT
um so do we want jk to claim here or not? how dumb of a question... 3 possibles: 1) doc protected target 2) jk protected target 3) jk roleblocked killer
i feel like you would've known this and this statement is very questionable. However, I still don't find you scummy after doing my iso yesterday
this is a fat assumption friend.
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Anyways, I must say that I think gary hasn't been as scummy as people claim he is, and I did my iso and concluded he was town, so I'm not quite comfortable with that wagon right now. I do wonder if scum!cyan actually just parks a vote on gary for 3 days though? That's a LOT of conviction in a read, especially with people debunking (what i saw as) the primary indecisiveness argument. Now, from what I can see, the main reason to lynch Gary is that... he's been a counterwagon for both days we lynched a town? That's.... an interesting argument to say the least xd.
I need to do a cyan iso at some point, and I'm looking for activity from artic and vertigo. For now, Vote: vertigo
vertigo spent ost of day 1 discussing the nature of assumptions and pmeta from ps he has about 2 meaningful interactions in this game, which was a heavy FoS on cyan day 1, and his vote(s?) on gary. he also said he nullread penguin and was fine with lynching penguin day 1, but that's not really meaningful to me. Everything else is literally just filler or besides the point. I don't know where votes are exactly, but since Cyan did provide more stuff to work with than GTS, for the moment I will Unvote Cyan Talon, Vote Gary The Savage and will look at Cyan's postings more in depth from next day on Because one of the main wagons I'm looking into pushing today is you, and this was pretty much the last meaningful statement you made (in day 1), what are your thoughts on the cyan slot now? The gary slot? this is where fort votes vert looking back I don't actually like the idea of a vert fort scumteam as much as I thought gary fort is more plausible though there was a post earlier I thought pointed against that though but I'll look back at it |
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Post by quojova on Jun 16, 2021 3:22:58 GMT
@ kliff why did you even think cyan was scum btw I don't think you ever explained that |
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Post by quojova on Jun 16, 2021 3:23:30 GMT
I know people are iffy on the Cyan Vote but, Why are you guys iffy on them? Do you guys still hold on to an town lean on Cyan? All I seen today is "oh maybe XXX could be partners with Cyan" what was this going to accomplish if you had not provided any reasoning for cyan |
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Post by quojova on Jun 16, 2021 3:27:38 GMT
Voted:Votee
(hammer:6)
Gary the savage(3):Chaostrodon,Wallape,Cyan Talon
Cyan talon (6):Kliff,Quojova,Fortcolors,Skyfigureroa,Gary The Savage,Vertigo
Chaostrodon (1):Articunight
And with that hammer was reached!
Cyan talon has been voted off, their role was Vanilla Townie
Night 3 begins now and ends at 15/6/2021 9PM GMT-4,or about 24 hours from writing of this
Please send actions/idles
so unless the scumteam is exactly chaos/wallape/articu, scum is on the cyan wagon im inclined to think that scum wanted to get away from at least one of the gary/vert/chaos wagons but I have nothing substantial to back it up rn gary and vert on the same wagon is probably a red flag in some way but I'm not sure how to interpret it yet |
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Post by quojova on Jun 16, 2021 3:38:55 GMT
ok so the currently alive people who wanted a gary wagon d2 were:
chaos wallape vert kliff
the people who didn't really were:
me fort sky articu
my idea of gary being town solely from wagon formation has weakened a lot tbh
a kliff bus on gary seems more plausible too now but I'll have to look back
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Post by quojova on Jun 16, 2021 3:42:05 GMT
so I have ignored critically reading gary for the most part up until this point because I have never thought him to be towny as town in past games and I'm overall not great at reading him but I had some amount of confidence in the supposed objectivity of analyzing wagon formation
the current gamestate now demands that I try to read him for real though
I feel like I will not like what I see
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Post by quojova on Jun 16, 2021 3:49:38 GMT
also if cyan flips town, then we nl in pmylo, im guessing this EOD is only making the gap between pro gary and anti gary lynch stronger, and in a lylo setting i feel like its gonna want them to lynch him more which i dont like. for the sake of my brain cells pls flip scum cyan i mindmelded with this hard but it's not a post you can't make as partners with gary anticipating the next day tbh i think you would probably not write this as scum without being partnered to gary though |
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Post by quojova on Jun 16, 2021 3:52:52 GMT
don't ask me to make a readslist rn though because I have no idea
I'm still pretty sure wallape is town
he just has the strongest early days by far imo; having a heavy presence in the thread that demonstrates a higher interest in solving than appearance
part of my confidence here is because wallape is new to forum
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Post by chaostrodon on Jun 16, 2021 4:02:26 GMT
This aint pmylo tho
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Post by chaostrodon on Jun 16, 2021 4:06:48 GMT
Most viable team to me as of now , is GTS , Fort and Articunight. I had my suspicions on quo after how he was scrambling from me to cyan yday but the recent flurry of posts look better
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Post by skyfigueroa on Jun 16, 2021 4:07:34 GMT
my original suspicions on vertigo came when i noticed he was very omgusy. he's gone every day yet somehow gets a word in usually an hour before dl. call it angleshooting idrc anymore but for some reason i feel like he has at least some time to make for the game that he's not really using. his willingness to just shift to cyan felt really off but i haven't gotten to thinking as to what it really could mean. and really what throws me off the most is that despite all this he still makes the town read lists of some of the players.
if u guys want to lynch gary since it's probably the day before lylo i will not contest anymore since it would clear a lot of stuff up, but if u guys think scum is someone with a lot of influence on the game so far then idm my chances of vertigo being one of the supporting roles in that.
also, a lot of it comes down to poe as well. i've said why i've tred a couple of the players in the pl already but obviously now it's probably time to rethink it for the sake of open mindedness
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Post by quojova on Jun 16, 2021 4:07:55 GMT
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Post by quojova on Jun 16, 2021 4:10:00 GMT
my original suspicions on vertigo came when i noticed he was very omgusy. he's gone every day yet somehow gets a word in usually an hour before dl. call it angleshooting idrc anymore but for some reason i feel like he has at least some time to make for the game that he's not really using. his willingness to just shift to cyan felt really off but i haven't gotten to thinking as to what it really could mean. and really what throws me off the most is that despite all this he still makes the town read lists of some of the players. if u guys want to lynch gary since it's probably the day before lylo i will not contest anymore since it would clear a lot of stuff up, but if u guys think scum is someone with a lot of influence on the game so far then idm my chances of vertigo being one of the supporting roles in that. also, a lot of it comes down to poe as well. i've said why i've tred a couple of the players in the pl already but obviously now it's probably time to rethink it for the sake of open mindedness what do you think the actual evidence pointing to gary being town is atp |
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Post by quojova on Jun 16, 2021 4:18:47 GMT
FOS of fort, not necessarily for comments made reasonably, butter after other people began to sl me y-day he sorta just sheeped their reads and placed an fos on me, with no prior reads on me having been made by him you're right actually. i have no idea why i'm okay with voting you. i give you towncred for correctly labelling ddlc as a memer yesterday. I don't think scum has a need to do that, when it looked like town was happily going to vote out ddlc out for it
only possibility would be if scum was leading the ddlc vote and scum!gary needed to be a scum on the other side.
i looked back to find that post that made me think not fort-gary this wasn't the one I was thinking of but it feels stronger still not entirely certain if this actually can't just be distancing though |
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Post by wallape on Jun 16, 2021 4:21:35 GMT
Voted:Votee
(hammer:6)
Gary the savage(3):Chaostrodon,Wallape,Cyan Talon
Cyan talon (6):Kliff,Quojova,Fortcolors,Skyfigureroa,Gary The Savage,Vertigo
Chaostrodon (1):Articunight
And with that hammer was reached!
Cyan talon has been voted off, their role was Vanilla Townie
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Night 3 begins now and ends at 15/6/2021 9PM GMT-4,or about 24 hours from writing of this
Please send actions/idles
so unless the scumteam is exactly chaos/wallape/articu, scum is on the cyan wagon im inclined to think that scum wanted to get away from at least one of the gary/vert/chaos wagons but I have nothing substantial to back it up rn gary and vert on the same wagon is probably a red flag in some way but I'm not sure how to interpret it yet Wonder if gary + verti is possible by this based on how ok vertigo was with shifting off gary and onto cyan |
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Post by quojova on Jun 16, 2021 4:24:48 GMT
i don't really think kliff as partners with gary goes off into his own world onto cyan
just a thought I had
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