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Post by ddlcfan69 on Jun 7, 2021 21:30:18 GMT
OH very fun more ppl are talking I will happilly respond to all of you but firstly...
Why did this pos Fortcolors like every one of my posts wth is this satan
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Post by ddlcfan69 on Jun 7, 2021 21:32:38 GMT
A gallery of all the times ddlc has come off as aggressive/confrontational, if needed: How could I not no one else would start writing big responses and now i get to feel like i did something. Why dont you want the game to progress coward being agressive is how we find more scum
Also im proud of you man finding the quote button is hard The fact that im being toneread for being "agressive" by cyan without any justification as to why thats scum indicative is appalling. I do believe that being agressive alone isnt enough to sr someone and in fact does the fact that im actively pushing and being agressive instead of making bullshit tone reads make me more town, for i am clearly trying to involve as many ppl as possible in the game something only a certified vanilla townie would do. if i end up being billboarded for not being able to understand sarcasm i'm going to write that off as me being blind to it and we're going to run along like nothing happened but these posts are almost certainly attempts to discredit opposing positions and discourage opposing players from playing the game they would. not to say that being a dick = being scum, but certainly would declutter discussion a bit. considering what ddlc is trying to achieve here, i can say with three out of ten degrees of confidence that ddlcfan69's mental state here is weirdly defensive. I- I dont see how someone could be any lazier while pushing a read. WHY does any of that make me suspicious of being scum and WHAT do I have the game by talking like that if i was scum? |
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Post by ddlcfan69 on Jun 7, 2021 21:39:04 GMT
Why would i actively push my own partner and not let them hide from conflict? think cyan think straw man argument. interactions =/= pushing, buddy. just look at your own post and tell me that you can reasonably interpret that as you pushing at vertigo if you want to take this discussion a step further i can talk about how some mafia players will converse with their partners artificially to collectively come across as town and how i've done the same before Ok I looked at the post and I am telling you that i am not seriously pushing Vertigo here... I do believe someone thinks theres a me + Vertigo scumteam cuz uh........ Really just cuz i brought them up a couple times? I chose vertigo over the other lurkers/noobs simply because I know them well and they are notorious for pushing me specifcally for no reason and I wondered if hed do the same. Id like to ask anyone who thinks were a team to tell me WHY I WOULDNT LET MY PARTNER LURK. Especially since the game is so early and lurkers arent being shamed yet. |
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Post by ddlcfan69 on Jun 7, 2021 21:41:34 GMT
yo I'm here so the party is here, reading through the first four pages I have concluded the discussion in 6 words. Votemeta is dumb. Ddlc is dumb. Vote: WallapeOMG HI GARY!!! Im not dumb i am i serious player someone tell him |
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Post by ddlcfan69 on Jun 7, 2021 21:43:53 GMT
I am very late, since i kinda forgot this was going on wape ddlc and dunno quojova seem active tring cyan vaguely couple of badly users who aren't talking, sure would love to see them chaostrodon is kinda weird, the gary vote being a vanity would be funny gary you can't just call ddlc dumb and then vote wape  vote: gary the savageAre you not one of the bad users Articoo? If not are you gonna use the "im new" excuse as to why your posts are vague and your reads are simple. |
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Post by Vertigo on Jun 7, 2021 21:44:01 GMT
straw man argument. interactions =/= pushing, buddy. just look at your own post and tell me that you can reasonably interpret that as you pushing at vertigo if you want to take this discussion a step further i can talk about how some mafia players will converse with their partners artificially to collectively come across as town and how i've done the same before Ok I looked at the post and I am telling you that i am not seriously pushing Vertigo here... I do believe someone thinks theres a me + Vertigo scumteam cuz uh........ Really just cuz i brought them up a couple times? I chose vertigo over the other lurkers/noobs simply because I know them well and they are notorious for pushing me specifcally for no reason and I wondered if hed do the same. Id like to ask anyone who thinks were a team to tell me WHY I WOULDNT LET MY PARTNER LURK. Especially since the game is so early and lurkers arent being shamed yet. Attempt of gaining towncred in case you might need it later in the game ? Generate interactions as per this post ? Why would veterans players refrain from doing it tho, now that you mentionned that it is a super-noob strat Because it's extremely suspicious and fairly noticeable if specific players just intentionally avoid interacting with specific other players. Think ddlc think, we won't fall for the obvious. |
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Post by ddlcfan69 on Jun 7, 2021 21:44:09 GMT
I said dumb, not scum. He's just bad at formatting zz D: |
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Post by ddlcfan69 on Jun 7, 2021 21:45:42 GMT
quojova - townlean cyan talon - townlean both of them seem genuine in their discourse and analysis, and have been making (what I see as) good points while not being bullheaded about their opinions I didnt know bullheaded = bad... uhmmmmmmmm shit |
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Post by ddlcfan69 on Jun 7, 2021 21:49:33 GMT
i have now woken up after a long night of league. I had a couple posts selected to reply to the early day stuff from ddlc etc but we seem to have moved on so i'll just put out a summary instead: - kliff is clearly hard meming in omgus to the ddlc vote
- ddlc seems to have memed even harder in retrospect, though my first impression was that he took it too seriously. Schoedinger's meme: say something serious and if the crowd doesn't think it was good then it's just a meme bro.
- the kliff/vertigo thing I.... what? I don't see it at all. Maybe I'm just rusty but I don't think so, I just don't see it.
- wallape seems to have done his best to analyze the memery, but I'm not sure about his conclusion. He's heavily criticized ddlc while putting an FoS on kiff for an unrelated post.
The fact that im being toneread for being "agressive" by cyan without any justification as to why thats scum indicative is appalling. I do believe that being agressive alone isnt enough to sr someone and in fact does the fact that im actively pushing and being agressive instead of making bullshit tone reads make me more town, for i am clearly trying to involve as many ppl as possible in the game something only a certified vanilla townie would do. I need to point out that activity does NOT necessarily mean towniness. I have fallen for that before, and I've been the most active player in the game as scum before. That's a fallacy that town should not fall into this game. assuming this was directed towards me? Decided to swap off SC23 since afaik he's est and likely asleep, meaning im not getting a reaction from him (only thought of this after voting him so /shrug). atp the people who had talked were u,fort and ddlc. never played fort so idk how he'd respond to a vote, same w you, leaving only ddlc to be rvsd. Why can't you rvs someone who you'd have no idea how they would respond to a vote? Do you need to know someone's pmeta perfectly in order to rvs them? Obviously not . You have not trained yourself in the art of reading off shitposts , as I have Moving on from this person for concluding that wallape and ddlc are town Unvote quojova , vote Gary the Savage[\b] I would like to see more from you. What do you see from these shitposts? I want to know why quojova concluding that wallape and ddlc are town means something to you. I assume that means you see them as town, but then why are you lynching someone in order to convince them to see things your way? In fact, this slot is my first scumlean, for being absolutely empty while appearing to do things. To that end, I will
Unvote: PenguinD Vote: Chaostrodon speaking of which,
Good thing I can vote fortcolors nice omgus obvious scum here lets slaughter him. To avoid that, I expect a 600-word essay analyzing these 5 pages by the end of today.
yo I'm here so the party is here, reading through the first four pages I have concluded the discussion in 6 words. Votemeta is dumb. Ddlc is dumb. Vote: Wallape i don't follow. would you care to explain why votemeta is dumb and how that leads to a wallape vote? Im not gonna disagree that the most active players cant be scum but do you think that theres a big difference between good active scum who tries to put on the disguise of being town leader vs the one who shitposts to every persons reaction? Cuz i sure do |
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Post by ddlcfan69 on Jun 7, 2021 21:53:12 GMT
to clarify, I think that post is in favor of ddlc+vertigo, but is so light that it's mostly just inconclusive. I might just be slightly confused, but isn't it generally the case that scumpartners avoid having interactions between each other? you could try to claim that its just reverse psych or smth, but its kinda dumb to attempt that in what is kinda a newbie game(A) and also day 1(B). Even if ddlc flips scum, its kinda weird that you'd fos ddlc+verti together at this stage. This is something i noticed from cyan too, for an early scumteam fos its just odd Its really not lol at least not this early. Theres no possible reason why on day 1 I would be the one to push my partner thats not a thing that happens. |
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Post by ddlcfan69 on Jun 7, 2021 21:54:23 GMT
unvote fortcolors, Vote ddlcfan69 tee hee |
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Post by ddlcfan69 on Jun 7, 2021 21:56:01 GMT
why is ddlc being aggressive indicative of scum? not liking that this is all you have to add tbh ddlc isn’t aggressive as town. I cant believe it why are tonereads the only thing that ppl pushin rn this is bullshit |
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Post by Vertigo on Jun 7, 2021 21:56:46 GMT
I might just be slightly confused, but isn't it generally the case that scumpartners avoid having interactions between each other? you could try to claim that its just reverse psych or smth, but its kinda dumb to attempt that in what is kinda a newbie game(A) and also day 1(B). Even if ddlc flips scum, its kinda weird that you'd fos ddlc+verti together at this stage. This is something i noticed from cyan too, for an early scumteam fos its just odd Its really not lol at least not this early. Theres no possible reason why on day 1 I would be the one to push my partner thats not a thing that happens. I'll repeat myself, but : playing suboptimally is not prohibited, and by being an actual strategy we have to consider the eventuality of it, factoring my recent discussion about it with FortColors |
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Post by chaostrodon on Jun 7, 2021 21:58:01 GMT
Obviously not . You have not trained yourself in the art of reading off shitposts , as I have Moving on from this person for concluding that wallape and ddlc are town Unvote quojova , vote Gary the Savage[\b] I would like to see more from you. What do you see from these shitposts? I want to know why quojova concluding that wallape and ddlc are town means something to you. I assume that means you see them as town, but then why are you lynching someone in order to convince them to see things your way? In fact, this slot is my first scumlean, for being absolutely empty while appearing to do things. To that end, I will
Unvote: PenguinD Vote: Chaostrodon speaking of which, 1 - Its a certain willingness to make oneself the target of negative attention by means of rebukes / outrageousness that tends to ping me someone as town. You probably wouldnt get this , but it doesnt matter. Im not going to spend effort to convince you otherwise 2 - Because you can see the progression of his views on wallape through his posts. It went from negative to positive and it seemed to me to be organic now unlike you, i'm not as reserved. Unvote: wallapeVote: ddlcfan69needless to say ddlc's tone in this post feels passive aggressive to me Personally, mixed feelings on sfl. This shift seemed to easy per se. I liked the follow up reasons in their very next post, but the shift itself I'm uncertain of.
to clarify, I think that post is in favor of ddlc+vertigo, but is so light that it's mostly just inconclusive. I might just be slightly confused, but isn't it generally the case that scumpartners avoid having interactions between each other? you could try to claim that its just reverse psych or smth, but its kinda dumb to attempt that in what is kinda a newbie game(A) and also day 1(B). Even if ddlc flips scum, its kinda weird that you'd fos ddlc+verti together at this stage. This is something i noticed from cyan too, for an early scumteam fos its just odd I will be awarding articunight townpoints for being confused about this at this point. |
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Post by ddlcfan69 on Jun 7, 2021 21:58:08 GMT
That being said I lowkey sus articoo and still Kliff cuz bad but im not leaving Kliff cuz I dont want ppl to forget i sred if i get hammered
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Post by ddlcfan69 on Jun 7, 2021 21:58:38 GMT
Its really not lol at least not this early. Theres no possible reason why on day 1 I would be the one to push my partner thats not a thing that happens. I'll repeat myself, but : playing suboptimally is not prohibited, and by being an actual strategy we have to consider the eventuality of it, factoring my recent discussion about it with FortColors Cap |
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Post by ddlcfan69 on Jun 7, 2021 21:59:44 GMT
I would like to see more from you. What do you see from these shitposts? I want to know why quojova concluding that wallape and ddlc are town means something to you. I assume that means you see them as town, but then why are you lynching someone in order to convince them to see things your way? In fact, this slot is my first scumlean, for being absolutely empty while appearing to do things. To that end, I will
Unvote: PenguinD Vote: Chaostrodon speaking of which, 1 - Its a certain willingness to make oneself the target of negative attention by means of rebukes / outrageousness that tends to ping me someone as town. You probably wouldnt get this , but it doesnt matter. Im not going to spend effort to convince you otherwise 2 - Because you can see the progression of his views on wallape through his posts. It went from negative to positive and it seemed to me to be organic Personally, mixed feelings on sfl. This shift seemed to easy per se. I liked the follow up reasons in their very next post, but the shift itself I'm uncertain of.
I might just be slightly confused, but isn't it generally the case that scumpartners avoid having interactions between each other? you could try to claim that its just reverse psych or smth, but its kinda dumb to attempt that in what is kinda a newbie game(A) and also day 1(B). Even if ddlc flips scum, its kinda weird that you'd fos ddlc+verti together at this stage. This is something i noticed from cyan too, for an early scumteam fos its just odd I will be awarding articunight townpoints for being confused about this at this point. I award him no points he did the worst job of joining the game mid day of everyone here lol |
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Post by ddlcfan69 on Jun 7, 2021 22:06:19 GMT
Also I do wish I wasnt the most relevant topic in the game but its ok i can make my own topics  The lions would win vs the pokemon |
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Post by Gary The Savage on Jun 7, 2021 22:06:45 GMT
Personally, mixed feelings on sfl. This shift seemed to easy per se. I liked the follow up reasons in their very next post, but the shift itself I'm uncertain of. why would scum want to shift there? um, why wouldn't they? |
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Post by Gary The Savage on Jun 7, 2021 22:08:16 GMT
ddlc is a meme
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Post by Gary The Savage on Jun 7, 2021 22:11:10 GMT
as far as I could tell he only "guided" further discussion around the ddlc+you scumteam because I brought it up again as a weak point why is so disappointing for you for Cyan to consider that angle shortly in like 1 post and respond back after I brought it up again? what other meaning were you hoping Cyan would find? Unlike you, Cyan played a lot of ps mafia on-sim with us, and is much more aware about how the interactions between ddlc and I goes. ps chatroom mafia and forum mafia are not the same |
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Post by Vertigo on Jun 7, 2021 22:15:49 GMT
Unlike you, Cyan played a lot of ps mafia on-sim with us, and is much more aware about how the interactions between ddlc and I goes. ps chatroom mafia and forum mafia are not the same Ok, let's assume you are right. How do you explain this then ? straw man argument. interactions =/= pushing, buddy. just look at your own post and tell me that you can reasonably interpret that as you pushing at vertigo if you want to take this discussion a step further i can talk about how some mafia players will converse with their partners artificially to collectively come across as town and how i've done the same before Ok I looked at the post and I am telling you that i am not seriously pushing Vertigo here... I do believe someone thinks theres a me + Vertigo scumteam cuz uh........ Really just cuz i brought them up a couple times? I chose vertigo over the other lurkers/noobs simply because I know them well and they are notorious for pushing me specifcally for no reason and I wondered if hed do the same. Id like to ask anyone who thinks were a team to tell me WHY I WOULDNT LET MY PARTNER LURK. Especially since the game is so early and lurkers arent being shamed yet. This line clearly shows that this argument is based upon prior knowledge about ps mafia on-sim, which is wrong then according to you ? Why is it still relevant then ? |
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Post by Gary The Savage on Jun 7, 2021 22:29:29 GMT
Regarding user ddlcfan69:
is ddlcfan negtown? Atm yes, yes they are. Does this mean that they are scum? No, no it does not. I've argued this point time and time again amd will continue to do so. Voting town just because they are negtown doesn't do any good nor does it advance the town wincon, which should be the goal. Rather, to vote negtown town is hypocritical as by doing so you are negtown yourself. It'd be much better and more telling on your own part, if you are town, to vote who you believe scum is. As much as I'd like for ddlc to stop meming as much as they are as it isn't getting anywhere, they're negligence as town does not make them scum.
Leading into the further point as to why I don't like th sfl shift. First off, they took the opportunity to get on negtown when ddlc said "ur mom..." Was this unnecessary on ddlc's part. Yes. Should it be considered a scumtell, not imo. However, as aforementioned constant filler isn't ideal. The other issue is I don't like how easily sfl got off wallape. They seemed satisfied enough with basically NAI. Hence why I've gotten on wallape, as the justification to sfl getting off really isn't there, and with the shift was unnecessary. Wouldn't be surprised if its a potential early game bus.
Now, by no means am I saying ddlc is town. But ddlc, if you are, advance your own wincon and don't help scum by being negtown. Because they can just take control and take advantage. And if you sr ddlc for reasons beside negtown filler, get on them and see what I care, but if thats it, I'm uncertain.
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Post by Gary The Savage on Jun 7, 2021 22:32:44 GMT
ps chatroom mafia and forum mafia are not the same Ok, let's assume you are right. How do you explain this then ? Ok I looked at the post and I am telling you that i am not seriously pushing Vertigo here... I do believe someone thinks theres a me + Vertigo scumteam cuz uh........ Really just cuz i brought them up a couple times? I chose vertigo over the other lurkers/noobs simply because I know them well and they are notorious for pushing me specifcally for no reason and I wondered if hed do the same. Id like to ask anyone who thinks were a team to tell me WHY I WOULDNT LET MY PARTNER LURK. Especially since the game is so early and lurkers arent being shamed yet. This line clearly shows that this argument is based upon prior knowledge about ps mafia on-sim, which is wrong then according to you ? Why is it still relevant then ? It's wrong here too. Any kind of pmeta or trying to compare player specific things between chatroom and forum mafia shouod be abstained from. I don't care who does it |
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Post by Fort Colorcastle on Jun 7, 2021 22:37:30 GMT
I would like to see more from you. What do you see from these shitposts? I want to know why quojova concluding that wallape and ddlc are town means something to you. I assume that means you see them as town, but then why are you lynching someone in order to convince them to see things your way? In fact, this slot is my first scumlean, for being absolutely empty while appearing to do things. To that end, I will
Unvote: PenguinD Vote: Chaostrodon speaking of which, 1 - Its a certain willingness to make oneself the target of negative attention by means of rebukes / outrageousness that tends to ping me someone as town. You probably wouldnt get this , but it doesnt matter. Im not going to spend effort to convince you otherwise 2 - Because you can see the progression of his views on wallape through his posts. It went from negative to positive and it seemed to me to be organic 1. Tt's not about whether or not I get it (which, btw, I do). The point was for you to explain your thoughts instead of just saying "i have mastered the art of reading shitposts and this is my conclusion". 2. Thank you for the explanation. That's much better, and my scumlean on you is weakening. Unvote: Chaostrodon
the explanations make sense, though I haven't reread the progression of thoughts yet so I can't confirm whether i think its organic. Please explain why you think gary/cyan is SvS. What about it feels off or scummy or whatever to you? I don't think articuno should get townpoints for that, it seems like its just a newplayer kinda thing. Its really not lol at least not this early. Theres no possible reason why on day 1 I would be the one to push my partner thats not a thing that happens. I'll repeat myself, but : playing suboptimally is not prohibited, and by being an actual strategy we have to consider the eventuality of it, factoring my recent discussion about it with FortColors agreed. I see no reason whatsoever to rule out possibilities yet. DDLC is trying to force assumptions left and right and quite frankly I don't like it. However, it seems like its just a playstyle and I don't yet think its alignment indicative. We just need to be wary of incorrect assumptions. Especially since the game is so early and lurkers arent being shamed yet. You're right. saltiestcactus23 , start talking. What do you feel about this most recent quojova/vertigo interaction? About any other interactions? To apply pressure, I will Vote: Saltiestcactus23
ps chatroom mafia and forum mafia are not the same Ok, let's assume you are right. How do you explain this then ? This line clearly shows that this argument is based upon prior knowledge about ps mafia on-sim, which is wrong then according to you ? Why is it still relevant then ? chatroom mafia and forum mafia being different doesn't necessarily mean people are ignoring pmeta from the other, even if they should. I would argue that ddlc is using sim meta here when he shouldn't be. I don't know if you always push him for no reason or not, but if you do, then I can safely say you aren't playing like you would on sim. If you don't, then this specific instance of sim pmeta gives us no information at all and is therefore pointless. im like 69% sure that gary is right and ddlc is just a meme. |
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