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Post by chaostrodon on Jun 7, 2021 23:10:43 GMT
1 - Its a certain willingness to make oneself the target of negative attention by means of rebukes / outrageousness that tends to ping me someone as town. You probably wouldnt get this , but it doesnt matter. Im not going to spend effort to convince you otherwise 2 - Because you can see the progression of his views on wallape through his posts. It went from negative to positive and it seemed to me to be organic 1. Tt's not about whether or not I get it (which, btw, I do). The point was for you to explain your thoughts instead of just saying "i have mastered the art of reading shitposts and this is my conclusion". 2. Thank you for the explanation. That's much better, and my scumlean on you is weakening. Unvote: Chaostrodon
the explanations make sense, though I haven't reread the progression of thoughts yet so I can't confirm whether i think its organic. Please explain why you think gary/cyan is SvS. What about it feels off or scummy or whatever to you?I don't think articuno should get townpoints for that, it seems like its just a newplayer kinda thing. 1 - Mixed feeling , Mostly town but for this one small thing - More or less the standard template a scum team member would use to generally procure a read on his teammate 2 - Bc I feel like scum!articunight would be more likely to ignore the cognitive dissonance or discredit Cyan more strongly to pocket the other two (unless the scumteam is articunight/ddlc/vertigo) |
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Post by cyan on Jun 7, 2021 23:47:25 GMT
A gallery of all the times ddlc has come off as aggressive/confrontational, if needed:if i end up being billboarded for not being able to understand sarcasm i'm going to write that off as me being blind to it and we're going to run along like nothing happened but these posts are almost certainly attempts to discredit opposing positions and discourage opposing players from playing the game they would. not to say that being a dick = being scum, but certainly would declutter discussion a bit. considering what ddlc is trying to achieve here, i can say with three out of ten degrees of confidence that ddlcfan69's mental state here is weirdly defensive. can you elaborate on what you find weirdly defensive I'm not denying that the "ur mom" posts are aggressive ftr i should probably spell it out yeah basically, ddlcfan69 didn't (kinda still doesn't) appear to be keen on having discussion centered on them, and made efforts to insult and discredit people who were considering him as such. when people start doing that it's often as a result of panicking/being paranoid as a defense mechanism; if you've ever had a debate with someone and gotten to a point where either one of you stopped keeping their cool and started raising their voice and shouting insults, that's defensive instinct. i'm not a psychology student though so don't take me at my word. just something i've gathered from experience in discussions and stuff my take is ddlcfan69 felt threatened in some manner by the earlier posts of the game and responded defensively to keep himself alive. which, when you consider how ddlc was concerned about every vote that was placed on him earlier, kind of seems to be growing more solid for me. i'm labelling him as scum because i don't think a town pr would quash discussion the way he did even if they were trying to survive i have now woken up after a long night of league. I had a couple posts selected to reply to the early day stuff from ddlc etc but we seem to have moved on so i'll just put out a summary instead: - kliff is clearly hard meming in omgus to the ddlc vote
- ddlc seems to have memed even harder in retrospect, though my first impression was that he took it too seriously. Schoedinger's meme: say something serious and if the crowd doesn't think it was good then it's just a meme bro.
- the kliff/vertigo thing I.... what? I don't see it at all. Maybe I'm just rusty but I don't think so, I just don't see it.
- wallape seems to have done his best to analyze the memery, but I'm not sure about his conclusion. He's heavily criticized ddlc while putting an FoS on kiff for an unrelated post. this is a potential red flag.
assuming this was directed towards me? Decided to swap off SC23 since afaik he's est and likely asleep, meaning im not getting a reaction from him (only thought of this after voting him so /shrug). atp the people who had talked were u,fort and ddlc. never played fort so idk how he'd respond to a vote, same w you, leaving only ddlc to be rvsd. Why can't you rvs someone who you'd have no idea how they would respond to a vote? Do you need to know someone's pmeta perfectly in order to rvs them? RVS is built around placing pressure on someone to see how they react. while i'd argue that we've long since passed the need for RVS in our current meta, people still do it out of habit or as a way to meme, and some people still do it in earnest; wallape's idea makes sense here to me.responses in cyan. if you can't see the colour then either highlight the text with a mouse or switch to dark mode temporarily since that's what i use to type my posts as far as I could tell he only "guided" further discussion around the ddlc+you scumteam because I brought it up again as a weak point why is so disappointing for you for Cyan to consider that angle shortly in like 1 post and respond back after I brought it up again? what other meaning were you hoping Cyan would find? Unlike you, Cyan played a lot of ps mafia on-sim with us, and is much more aware about how the interactions between ddlc and I goes. yes, but i mentioned in my post how i couldn't find other conclusions to draw from it? what conclusions, specifically, would you draw if you were in my position? you could make the assumption that i'm scum trying to use a post to push towards my agenda while denying other angles of discussion from being talked about, but that'd be nothing more than an assumption also fwiw i've been away for like a week or two for exams and wouldn't know how you guys would play A gallery of all the times ddlc has come off as aggressive/confrontational, if needed:if i end up being billboarded for not being able to understand sarcasm i'm going to write that off as me being blind to it and we're going to run along like nothing happened but these posts are almost certainly attempts to discredit opposing positions and discourage opposing players from playing the game they would. not to say that being a dick = being scum, but certainly would declutter discussion a bit. considering what ddlc is trying to achieve here, i can say with three out of ten degrees of confidence that ddlcfan69's mental state here is weirdly defensive. I- I dont see how someone could be any lazier while pushing a read. WHY does any of that make me suspicious of being scum and WHAT do I have the game by talking like that if i was scum? read my earlier response to quojova as to why as to what, let's see: nothing. you're not doing this because you're scum pursuing an agenda. you're doing this because you're scum who feels like you're getting cornered d1 and needed to find a way out. I would like to see more from you. What do you see from these shitposts? I want to know why quojova concluding that wallape and ddlc are town means something to you. I assume that means you see them as town, but then why are you lynching someone in order to convince them to see things your way? In fact, this slot is my first scumlean, for being absolutely empty while appearing to do things. To that end, I will
Unvote: PenguinD Vote: Chaostrodon speaking of which, 1 - Its a certain willingness to make oneself the target of negative attention by means of rebukes / outrageousness that tends to ping me someone as town. You probably wouldnt get this , but it doesnt matter. Im not going to spend effort to convince you otherwise you should spend some effort, you know. it's not a big-brain convoluted tell; scum looks after their public image more closely than town does because town tends to be focused on scumhunting 2 - Because you can see the progression of his views on wallape through his posts. It went from negative to positive and it seemed to me to be organic Personally, mixed feelings on sfl. This shift seemed to easy per se. I liked the follow up reasons in their very next post, but the shift itself I'm uncertain of. Potential scum vs scum interaction , is what I feel. (Talking about Gary and Cyan here) ik i'm part of this but +1. gary's wording on the post feels a tad shakyps chatroom mafia and forum mafia are not the same Ok, let's assume you are right. How do you explain this then ? Ok I looked at the post and I am telling you that i am not seriously pushing Vertigo here... I do believe someone thinks theres a me + Vertigo scumteam cuz uh........ Really just cuz i brought them up a couple times? I chose vertigo over the other lurkers/noobs simply because I know them well and they are notorious for pushing me specifcally for no reason and I wondered if hed do the same. Id like to ask anyone who thinks were a team to tell me WHY I WOULDNT LET MY PARTNER LURK. Especially since the game is so early and lurkers arent being shamed yet. This line clearly shows that this argument is based upon prior knowledge about ps mafia on-sim, which is wrong then according to you ? Why is it still relevant then ? bro that line that post was ddlc's, and it came after i posted the team read |
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Post by cyan on Jun 7, 2021 23:54:50 GMT
so, general takeaways: quojova and chaostrodon are town. i like the depth of the discussions they're driving forward; they seem to be putting a good amount of thought into the game and it comes off as natural vertigo gets a FoS based on his reaction to this post: as far as I could tell he only "guided" further discussion around the ddlc+you scumteam because I brought it up again as a weak point why is so disappointing for you for Cyan to consider that angle shortly in like 1 post and respond back after I brought it up again? what other meaning were you hoping Cyan would find? Unlike you, Cyan played a lot of ps mafia on-sim with us, and is much more aware about how the interactions between ddlc and I goes. feels kinda dismissive of quojova's questions by far and away the more important vote is ddlcfan69, his actions and mindset in early d1 haven't shown signs of changing as of now |
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Post by skyfigueroa on Jun 8, 2021 0:32:02 GMT
good morning i lowkey wish there was a votecount update rip
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Post by smallworldz on Jun 8, 2021 0:58:48 GMT
Voted:Votee
(hammer 7)
Saltiestcactus23 (1): Fortcolors
Ddlcfan69 (4)*: penguinD, cyan talon, wallape, kliff
Cyan talon (2): vertigo, skyfigureroa
Gary the savage (2): articunight ,chaostrodon
wallape (1):Gary the Savage
chaostrodon(1):quojova
kliff(1):ddlcfan69
Not voting:Saltiestcactus23
if i missed anything/any issues lmk
Roughly 24 hours remain and one user has been prodded, I will be enforcing 5 posts per day minimum
If deadline was now ddlcfan69 would be lynchedVoted
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Post by Gary The Savage on Jun 8, 2021 1:23:08 GMT
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Post by Gary The Savage on Jun 8, 2021 1:25:53 GMT
I really can't decide if tl or sl sfl. Man's boumcing back and forth like a jumping bean. Unrelated, that is a hella nice shade of blue and at the very least goes with the galaxy mode very well. I'll probs not check in again til morn, see ya then
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Post by cyan on Jun 8, 2021 1:33:42 GMT
I really can't decide if tl or sl sfl. Man's boumcing back and forth like a jumping bean. Unrelated, that is a hella nice shade of blue and at the very least goes with the galaxy mode very well. I'll probs not check in again til morn, see ya then so let me try to answer your questions a bit: what part about me worries you? if it was the ddlc vote, then it's probably more a matter of me not laying down my entire argument at once than being shifty and also you're free to disregard any first votes i make because they're typically the least baked |
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Post by Fort Colorcastle on Jun 8, 2021 2:06:58 GMT
honestly after reading cyan's full argument I think I agree. I also want to look at gary for trying to dismiss ddlc as a trolling townie. I don't think town benefits from making baseless assumptions and then making claims/votes/reads based on those assumptions. That's not meme filler, that's bad play that attempts to lead the town into a bad perspective. Then, when pressured about it, he went into full meme mode while still trying to offload attention from himself Also I do wish I wasnt the most relevant topic in the game but its ok i can make my own topics :D The lions would win vs the pokemon any thoughts? You've been a convenient total of 5 shitposts and then went dead silent. |
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Post by Fort Colorcastle on Jun 8, 2021 2:07:30 GMT
*You've made a
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Post by skyfigueroa on Jun 8, 2021 2:37:10 GMT
ok i didnt know until today but imma be gone for the entire afternoon, gonna post some thoughts before i go - not entirely convinced with people tring ddlc yet but anyway ddlc isn't the lynch today imo. tbh the only solidly town thing i get from ddlc is that im p sure he believes there's even a little bit of leverage with regards to his kliff/vert theory. other than that idek if he's made a town read or scum read yet he's just been either defending himself or memeing - arti ur line about scum avoiding interactions with each other... smh. that was definitely the most off line i saw when skimming - vertigo feels a bit omgusy to me. - first he points out how it's interesting that ddlc chose him out of all the new players and how no one pointed that out.
- that was a SOD read and not to mention a very meme-y one. [/span]- cyan imo made a valid idea for what is an early d1 read with half the players not popping in yet. i don't know why he said cyan was avoiding other interactions unless there's anything he wants to point out, bc honestly there weren't even that many interactions to begin with - idk i feel like he's just focusing on people who have mentioned his name. he talks about cyan ignoring other interactions, but all he's doing is throwing accusations back [/ul] |
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Post by cyan on Jun 8, 2021 2:37:57 GMT
good morning i lowkey wish there was a votecount update rip you got what you wanted now start wallposting thx |
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Post by cyan on Jun 8, 2021 2:38:12 GMT
oh wow look at that i was late
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Post by skyfigueroa on Jun 8, 2021 2:41:42 GMT
That being said I lowkey sus articoo and still Kliff cuz bad but im not leaving Kliff cuz I dont want ppl to forget i sred if i get hammered didn't see this mb. ddlc is the sr still because of the being online thing LOL |
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Post by cyan on Jun 8, 2021 2:45:23 GMT
That being said I lowkey sus articoo and still Kliff cuz bad but im not leaving Kliff cuz I dont want ppl to forget i sred if i get hammered didn't see this mb. ddlc is the sr still because of the being online thing LOL do tell me what the online thing was also, do tell me why you think ddlc should be spared today |
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Post by skyfigueroa on Jun 8, 2021 2:48:34 GMT
also i feel like terri is making quite a few vibe reads which on one hand idm bc i like that he's also focusing attention away from the spotlight while we still have a lot of time but at the same time they feel subjective (aka people comprehend the tone of the posts differently). kinda wish there was a little more depth after making the initial observations. it just seems a bit lazy
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Post by skyfigueroa on Jun 8, 2021 2:51:32 GMT
didn't see this mb. ddlc is the sr still because of the being online thing LOL do tell me what the online thing was also, do tell me why you think ddlc should be spared today isn't his suspicion on kliff from when he saw he was online before the game started. also i've said it before ddlc isn't super townie by any means but i just don't agree with the points people were making on him. honestly i didn't even know his wagon grew that much i need to check when people lynched him |
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Post by skyfigueroa on Jun 8, 2021 2:52:10 GMT
unvote cyan vote vertigo for the tim ebeing
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Post by skyfigueroa on Jun 8, 2021 3:00:53 GMT
when tf did chaos vote gary lol
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Post by wallape on Jun 8, 2021 3:08:21 GMT
Just woke up ill probably respond stuff as I see them
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Post by wallape on Jun 8, 2021 3:13:47 GMT
i have now woken up after a long night of league. I had a couple posts selected to reply to the early day stuff from ddlc etc but we seem to have moved on so i'll just put out a summary instead: - kliff is clearly hard meming in omgus to the ddlc vote
- ddlc seems to have memed even harder in retrospect, though my first impression was that he took it too seriously. Schoedinger's meme: say something serious and if the crowd doesn't think it was good then it's just a meme bro.
- the kliff/vertigo thing I.... what? I don't see it at all. Maybe I'm just rusty but I don't think so, I just don't see it.
- wallape seems to have done his best to analyze the memery, but I'm not sure about his conclusion. He's heavily criticized ddlc while putting an FoS on kiff for an unrelated post.
The fact that im being toneread for being "agressive" by cyan without any justification as to why thats scum indicative is appalling. I do believe that being agressive alone isnt enough to sr someone and in fact does the fact that im actively pushing and being agressive instead of making bullshit tone reads make me more town, for i am clearly trying to involve as many ppl as possible in the game something only a certified vanilla townie would do. I need to point out that activity does NOT necessarily mean towniness. I have fallen for that before, and I've been the most active player in the game as scum before. That's a fallacy that town should not fall into this game. assuming this was directed towards me? Decided to swap off SC23 since afaik he's est and likely asleep, meaning im not getting a reaction from him (only thought of this after voting him so /shrug). atp the people who had talked were u,fort and ddlc. never played fort so idk how he'd respond to a vote, same w you, leaving only ddlc to be rvsd. Why can't you rvs someone who you'd have no idea how they would respond to a vote? Do you need to know someone's pmeta perfectly in order to rvs them? Obviously not . You have not trained yourself in the art of reading off shitposts , as I have Moving on from this person for concluding that wallape and ddlc are town Unvote quojova , vote Gary the Savage[\b] I would like to see more from you. What do you see from these shitposts? I want to know why quojova concluding that wallape and ddlc are town means something to you. I assume that means you see them as town, but then why are you lynching someone in order to convince them to see things your way? In fact, this slot is my first scumlean, for being absolutely empty while appearing to do things. To that end, I will
Unvote: PenguinD Vote: Chaostrodon speaking of which,
Good thing I can vote fortcolors nice omgus obvious scum here lets slaughter him. To avoid that, I expect a 600-word essay analyzing these 5 pages by the end of today.
yo I'm here so the party is here, reading through the first four pages I have concluded the discussion in 6 words. Votemeta is dumb. Ddlc is dumb. Vote: Wallape i don't follow. would you care to explain why votemeta is dumb and how that leads to a wallape vote? uh whats wrong with me putting fos on kliff while sr'ing ddlc? I thought the reply to peng rvs was a serious one (that's probably because of the way im approaching forum games rn; very little meming; but I think I have a better grasp of it now) and since I saw 0 takes of his own despite being here for the start, I thought of putting a FOS on him. As for the rvs thing, its easier to identify the reaction of someone you know vs someone you haven't. |
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Post by kliff on Jun 8, 2021 3:18:12 GMT
Just a couple of quick notes I’ll share just to get back in the momentum of posting.
Ddlcfan69
➜At Game Start the I did consider their tone to be slight town, mainly with this post POST.
➜His Progressions continue to be wonky but seemed town-toned in end. But The Wonky gotten to a point where It has very Shaky trust.
Skyfigueroa
➜They seemed to look pretty good due to the response on controversial topics that gives them a positive outlook.
Cyan
➜The hop-on Ddlcfan69 didn't seem right to me POST.
➜Their starting to fit the competent scum prototype Starting with this post. POST
Wallape
➜RVs moment was quite unusual which would make me think they are more town due to the unusualness. POST
➜Wallpaper Inputs seemed very town mindset oriented
Penguin
➜The Choice of words combined with a meme Omgus Vote does rub me off the wrong way: RVS vote
➜His conclusion to ddlc being scum is just random POST
Chaos
➜Seemed to had some genuine post during game start Post
➜This feels like a Teammates Think Alike moment: POST
Vertigo
➜Cyan v Vertigo seems interesting
Will post more, of course.
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Post by skyfigueroa on Jun 8, 2021 3:21:04 GMT
ok so i said i didn't get why people were tring ddlc but turns out most of the player list actually srs him lol. i still feel like the reasoning is weak, please feel free to convince me otherwise. although now something to consider if he does flip scum, there are a few people (i think me, quo, chaos, not sure who else) who oppose it rn which would be a good follow through.
still, my eyes are kinda on vertigo right now. or even someone like penguind for being quiet and when he finally returned it was just to piggyback of the main read. i tried reading arti's few lines and their reads were a bit lackluster too. the problem with the last two is that it's like hard to tell if someone's quiet as scum or town because, well, theyre quiet.
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Post by wallape on Jun 8, 2021 3:21:42 GMT
I am very late, since i kinda forgot this was going on wape ddlc and dunno quojova seem active tring cyan vaguely couple of badly users who aren't talking, sure would love to see them chaostrodon is kinda weird, the gary vote being a vanity would be funny gary you can't just call ddlc dumb and then vote wape  vote: gary the savageAre you not one of the bad users Articoo? If not are you gonna use the "im new" excuse as to why your posts are vague and your reads are simple. thank u ddlc this is what I like from u, more of this please. Hard agree on articoo, I am really more used to seeing arti scumhunting more |
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Post by wallape on Jun 8, 2021 3:24:15 GMT
unvote fortcolors, Vote ddlcfan69 tee hee this again goes back to something I DO NOT LIKE. Why are you still responding to every vote on you even after bring called out for this?  ? |
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