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Post by quojova on Jun 8, 2021 21:42:46 GMT
Hi I exist. unvote ddlc read through their posts and they responded more townie like to their wagon. I’d pull quotes but that’s tough on mobile kek. Reading through other users rn. I dont see scum!Penguin unvoting town!ddlc here , which means Peng is likely town unless ddlc is scum What do you guys think? Not the unvoting itself , but apparently finding something townie in ddlc's defence this I do not find compelling because there is ample motivation as scum to unvote a dying town who you wagoned for questionable reasons throughout the day That's just a possibility I'm stating and not an argument for ddlc being scum necessarily, but I am wondering if penguinD is even going to replace his vote in enough time to have any meaningful impact on wagon formation |
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Post by quojova on Jun 8, 2021 21:50:50 GMT
Regarding user ddlcfan69: is ddlcfan negtown? Atm yes, yes they are. Does this mean that they are scum? No, no it does not. I've argued this point time and time again amd will continue to do so. Voting town just because they are negtown doesn't do any good nor does it advance the town wincon, which should be the goal. Rather, to vote negtown town is hypocritical as by doing so you are negtown yourself. It'd be much better and more telling on your own part, if you are town, to vote who you believe scum is. As much as I'd like for ddlc to stop meming as much as they are as it isn't getting anywhere, they're negligence as town does not make them scum. Leading into the further point as to why I don't like th sfl shift. First off, they took the opportunity to get on negtown when ddlc said "ur mom..." Was this unnecessary on ddlc's part. Yes. Should it be considered a scumtell, not imo. However, as aforementioned constant filler isn't ideal. The other issue is I don't like how easily sfl got off wallape. They seemed satisfied enough with basically NAI. Hence why I've gotten on wallape, as the justification to sfl getting off really isn't there, and with the shift was unnecessary. Wouldn't be surprised if its a potential early game bus. Now, by no means am I saying ddlc is town. But ddlc, if you are, advance your own wincon and don't help scum by being negtown. Because they can just take control and take advantage. And if you sr ddlc for reasons beside negtown filler, get on them and see what I care, but if thats it, I'm uncertain. I've read this post like 5 times and I'm still not sure what to think of it I'm thinking about what Gary stands to gain from casting ddlc as just negtown this early it feels like he's kinda trying to claim the high road in a way that is not really productive but it's probably not alignment-indicative |
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Post by quojova on Jun 8, 2021 21:58:18 GMT
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Post by quojova on Jun 8, 2021 21:59:24 GMT
I believe plur is on penguin
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Post by kliff on Jun 8, 2021 22:11:20 GMT
Quick Take on Cyan
Cyan Started to hop on the ddlc wagon which would start his compent-ness momentum They are proactively engaging with others while seeming to set up a Ride-on ddlc and Vertigo.
It Seems like they are trying to assert competence on the ddlc(mainly) and Vertigo Read. The Pairing of ddlc and Vertigo for scum seem likes a reach and I'm not too sure about it. Not sure if
the Path that leads to it is natural. They had many good takes but there something off and I'm not buying this behavior as town as of now. Don't think Ill pursue them today but will keep in
the back of my head for day 2 performance.
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Post by ddlcfan69 on Jun 8, 2021 22:11:34 GMT
Vote Articoo btwThis is my strongest sr atm i might just have missed it, but did you ever respond to cyan's 3 points? since as i said before, that was the only thing making me wait on voting you. in the post you quoted, i questioned a number of people asked for pressure on two dismissed a possible suggested scumteam and reaffirmed that i do sr penguin i'm not sure what you want me to do more of I did indeed |
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Post by articunight on Jun 8, 2021 22:12:40 GMT
its late at night rn and since ddlc hasn't responded with a post that makes me tl them so far
vote: ddlc
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Post by articunight on Jun 8, 2021 22:13:14 GMT
oh mfw you actually did respond, i'm dead tired but quote it
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Post by PenguinD on Jun 8, 2021 22:15:53 GMT
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Post by kliff on Jun 8, 2021 22:21:38 GMT
In reference to kliff just a couple notes post many of the points don't make sense to me, although i'm glad the penguin tr thing was pointed out(weird as all hell, might be scum spew, might be a random attempt to divert attention) why was cyan getting on ddlc weird, could you explain that while keeping in mind the current state of the game as compared to only the first post? considering that it was very early game there isn't necessarily much logic behind each vote. I'm assuming the teammates think alike thing was in reference to a possible scumteam of cyan+chaostrodon but again, people grasping on to the same point kinda makes that iffy in my opinion.
1a) I did not town lean penguin? It quite the opposite
1b) POST
1c) The Teammates Think alike Statement was suppose to be a weak town link on Choastrodon |
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Post by kliff on Jun 8, 2021 22:24:03 GMT
Gary might be an appliable Vote here
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Post by quojova on Jun 8, 2021 22:24:23 GMT
articu is weird to me because it looks like in a lot of cases he is fitting various the surface-level actions of other players to his premade mafia formula rather than trying to give nuance to each player on an individual basis and in the other cases he often just doesn't provide any reasoning I am very late, since i kinda forgot this was going on wape ddlc and dunno quojova seem active tring cyan vaguely couple of badly users who aren't talking, sure would love to see them chaostrodon is kinda weird, the gary vote being a vanity would be funny gary you can't just call ddlc dumb and then vote wape  vote: gary the savageit's his intro post and it alone isn't egregious but you can start to see the lack of reasoning the gary vote is basically rvs because there is just no conviction there the first point is the least important one, but it's probably worth considering nonetheless Honestly the third point is probably the most important, scum need to prove credibility, townies can be genuine from the start and would honestly be the most damning point for a scum ddlc but i do want to see ddlc responding to cyan before i switch my votes So after seeing gary's recent posts i'm thinking towards a TL on them, i lean neutral to sl on ddlc partly due to the wagon being overly stable(if scum i'll be assuming a bus) under the idea that scum would offer more diversions from the wagon. Vertigo: "I'll repeat myself, but : playing suboptimally is not prohibited, and by being an actual strategy we have to consider the eventuality of it, factoring my recent discussion about it with FortColors" this is...weird are you implying that scum ddlc would vote their scum partner on d1, in this case you(albeit kliff is being voted by them rn)? this is a weird scumslip if ddlc reveals as scum at eod i am slightly afraid that we're hyperfocusing on ddlc on day 1 though so I like the safe idea of poking saltiestcactus23 for lurking/idling bbcode is a pain unvote: gary the savage Vote: saltiestcactus23 in the first sentence here he vaguely talks about some broader mafia theory and loosely connects it to ddlc he gives ddlc a sl because the wagon was "overly stable" like it's just not real investigation the vertigo "scumslip" analysis is not helpful and he votes cactus which is whack i do agree ddlc is trying way too hard to be a town, but as we associate that with being a pr too we might just be poking a pr claim out on day 1 which would suck i will hard sr anyone who tries to jump from ddlc to whichever wagon of note is around rn(i think its just peng? and some 2-vote wagons?) this is just so weird (and maybe I decide it's town-weird later?) but he openly speculates about ddlc being pr (which a town trying to maximize their win chances should just not do) and then announces out of the blue that he will "hard sr anyone who tries to jump from ddlc" like that method of setting up a scumread is robotic; it's not natural at all and distills the game really simply in a way that is not nuanced at all either don't ask me what I think articu's alignment is rn tho |
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Post by quojova on Jun 8, 2021 22:31:00 GMT
the vertigo-ddlc scumteam idea is based on like nothing at all
I'm probably going to need to look at everyone who ever proposed that idea at one point or another to consider how unnatural their thought process was
although I don't remember who did atm besides Cyan and from memory his progression was okay
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Post by quojova on Jun 8, 2021 22:32:16 GMT
probably at something like this rn (not ordered): +++ wallape ++ ddlcfan69 skyfigueroa Cyan Talon + chaostrodon kliff null FortColors Vertigo - PenguinD articunight Gary the Savage thinking about which ones to elaborate on and who I even want to hang I need to reread fort Also this is a pretty good list honestly except change kliff and Vertigo gg Also i never said this but I tr quojava hes the real town leader here and i hope he doesnt get fearkilled or else town is likely in a bit of a pickle what was this post even meant to do tbh |
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Post by quojova on Jun 8, 2021 22:42:04 GMT
I read through Fort's iso and he's still null
he has some zingers but that's what he's good at
I challenge those who tr fort (idk if those exist) to find one thing out of his scumrange
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Post by quojova on Jun 8, 2021 22:57:40 GMT
vertigo is not very easy for me to read and the focus of his posts is just kinda weird iso for convenience: ps-mafia.proboards.com/search/results?who_at_least_one=1188&captcha_id=captcha_search&where_thread_title=Invasion+of+the+Lich%3A+Game+1+%5BDay+1%5D&display_as=0&search=Searchhe spends almost the entirety of his posts talking about either cyan's take on ddlc+him or if "noob strats" are something an experienced scum would go for the latter is not useful the former is just super super narrow Like I cannot conclude from vertigo's posts that he actually cares about the town win-con whatsoever as far as I could tell he only "guided" further discussion around the ddlc+you scumteam because I brought it up again as a weak point why is so disappointing for you for Cyan to consider that angle shortly in like 1 post and respond back after I brought it up again? what other meaning were you hoping Cyan would find? Unlike you, Cyan played a lot of ps mafia on-sim with us, and is much more aware about how the interactions between ddlc and I goes. This post seemed like it carried annoyance (which was not my intent) rather than anxiety over my questions which is possibly (?) a bit town because it does seem like he believes what he is saying like as in he seems annoyed as if he knows he's right rather than anxious that I'm questioning him over something he thinks is shaky I have a light scumlean on vert atm |
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Post by skyfigueroa on Jun 8, 2021 23:00:50 GMT
GM i thought deadline was at 12 ngl. I'll just take a shower first then get back here
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Post by quojova on Jun 8, 2021 23:04:27 GMT
I feel content with my trs in wallape/ddlc/cyan/sky rn
I've skimmed every iso atp and now theoretically I would write about all the ones I haven't yet but it's two hours until EoD and I'm tired
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Post by skyfigueroa on Jun 8, 2021 23:20:19 GMT
hey quojova i have class in an hour so idt i have time to wallpost. wat do u find townie abt chaos? he's still making those vibe reads that i commented on earlier without going into depth on them. "i dont see scum penguin unlynching so thus he must be town" like wat if i think scum penguin would unlynch!! tell me why he wouldn't |
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Post by skyfigueroa on Jun 8, 2021 23:21:46 GMT
my vote on vertigo went nowhere so hopefully another vc update magically pops up so i can see the main wagons  |
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Post by skyfigueroa on Jun 8, 2021 23:27:42 GMT
when tf did chaos vote gary lol he has like 7 posts just go to his profile and look for "member's recent posts" smh LMAO i s2g i already had his iso pulled up when he only had 7 lines and i still fucking missed it. i literally was staring at it for like 3 whole minutes i'm actualy blind
ok so i said i didn't get why people were tring ddlc but turns out most of the player list actually srs him lol. i still feel like the reasoning is weak, please feel free to convince me otherwise. although now something to consider if he does flip scum, there are a few people (i think me, quo, chaos, not sure who else) who oppose it rn which would be a good follow through. still, my eyes are kinda on vertigo right now. or even someone like penguind for being quiet and when he finally returned it was just to piggyback of the main read. i tried reading arti's few lines and their reads were a bit lackluster too. the problem with the last two is that it's like hard to tell if someone's quiet as scum or town because, well, theyre quiet. gary huge ddlc defender. Let's not forget that at all. penguind's activity has been very lurky, I agree. Why are your eyes on vertigo again? yea i missed him mb. anywhere here's why i hopped on vertigo ps-mafia.proboards.com/post/76553
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Post by ddlcfan69 on Jun 8, 2021 23:34:38 GMT
Also this is a pretty good list honestly except change kliff and Vertigo gg Also i never said this but I tr quojava hes the real town leader here and i hope he doesnt get fearkilled or else town is likely in a bit of a pickle what was this post even meant to do tbh It was to say that you are almost the perfect town  |
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Post by quojova on Jun 8, 2021 23:34:48 GMT
hey quojova i have class in an hour so idt i have time to wallpost. wat do u find townie abt chaos? he's still making those vibe reads that i commented on earlier without going into depth on them. "i dont see scum penguin unlynching so thus he must be town" like wat if i think scum penguin would unlynch!! tell me why he wouldn't I did not like that post from chaos as mentioned by me in the top post of this page I put him as a townlean before that post you should probably ask this to chaos instead I initially tled chaos (and still do probably to some extent) because I think he has shown real intent to read into actions. I would like more tbh but I liked his analysis of articu here: ps-mafia.proboards.com/post/76532 and point 1 here: ps-mafia.proboards.com/post/76453 |
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Post by ddlcfan69 on Jun 8, 2021 23:35:02 GMT
Also im back time for one last drive unless i dont have plur anymore
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Post by skyfigueroa on Jun 8, 2021 23:36:17 GMT
quite frankly i think the reason the wagon was "overly stable" was 17 hours of no posts from ddlc, giving people no reason to move off. would you be interested in shifting to penguin as a the lurker pressure? someone else mentioned that sc23 probably just gets subbed out while penguin's done his bare minimum and dipped.
typing in forums is hard idm shifting from sc23(not 43 :pensive:) to penguin but that might shift the weight from ddlc more than i want. arti u ignored MY questions (((. also wat penguin tr thing were u talking abt not sure wat ur referring to. and like idgi u have a sl on penguin and a slightly stronger one on ddlc, then why are u hesitant to lynch either of them |
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