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Post by Fort Colorcastle on Jun 8, 2021 18:40:39 GMT
my argument was never about whether or not we could trust ddlc. just to restate my points: - ddlc started off this game with passive-aggressive meme filler - ddlc has repeatedly shut down discussion angles involving him with attacks on the pushers' credibility - ddlc has been showing an unnatural amount of self-image awareness with his responses to people's votes and how he tries to portray himself as townie as for partners, i've suggested the ddlc + vertigo pairing ever since like page 4 of this forum skyfigueroa since you were asking for a case on ddlc earlier you're free to use this post as reference This was the first thing i wanted to respond to as it really is cyan beating a dead horse here and also cuz someone said they wanted me too... First of all it once again seems like im being tunneled for being super active in the early game and for the one your mom joke. This is just way too weak of of an arguement for me to say "oh I didnt like ddlcs tone so its sus lemme cherry pick other things from his iso that are similar without giving clarification as to why thats scum indicative until im forced to". Also the second point is just incorrect i never attacked anyones credibility even yours even though id like to. For the third point ill agree I have been self aware because the i feel the ppl who were pushing me and especially pushing the me + vertigo scumteam werent thinking about how scum approaches the game and instead soley focus on the fact that since I brought up Vertigo and no other lurkers we must be connected. This is a another lazy push I feel and I dont believe anyone has answered my questions on WHY i would bring up Vertigo if I was town and if I was scum WHY I would play like i did in the early game. clearly I didnt care about the repercussions of talking too much cuz as you've made clear I responded to every single push on me so what can i possibly gain as scum from doing this? I hope you know im not just bad at the game cyan and this was unintentional so id love to know what you think I tried to accomplish by what i said above. i really hate that your main defense is "Scum wouldn't do this" when that's just a wifom. If you know that scum wouldn't do something, then scum!you would go out of your way to do it because scum wouldn't. |
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Post by quojova on Jun 8, 2021 18:47:39 GMT
probably at something like this rn (not ordered): +++ wallape ++ ddlcfan69 skyfigueroa Cyan Talon + chaostrodon kliff null FortColors Vertigo - PenguinD articunight Gary the Savage thinking about which ones to elaborate on and who I even want to hang I need to reread fort Why has Cyan Talon gotten townpoints from you? I agree with Cyan's thoughts on kliff tho I like what Cyan is doing with the ddlc slot. They've picked out some sharp point abouts him in post like this one: ps-mafia.proboards.com/post/76606/thread and have kept pushing him repeatedly. Maybe more of a gut thing but it really does seem to me that Cyan believes their push is the best one and that ddlc is scum. unrelated but kliff is probably null; I was townleaning him for a pretty dumb reason |
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Post by ddlcfan69 on Jun 8, 2021 18:48:03 GMT
the first point is the least important one, but it's probably worth considering nonetheless Honestly the third point is probably the most important, scum need to prove credibility, townies can be genuine from the start and would honestly be the most damning point for a scum ddlc but i do want to see ddlc responding to cyan before i switch my votes So after seeing gary's recent posts i'm thinking towards a TL on them, i lean neutral to sl on ddlc partly due to the wagon being overly stable(if scum i'll be assuming a bus) under the idea that scum would offer more diversions from the wagon. Vertigo: "I'll repeat myself, but : playing suboptimally is not prohibited, and by being an actual strategy we have to consider the eventuality of it, factoring my recent discussion about it with FortColors" this is...weird are you implying that scum ddlc would vote their scum partner on d1, in this case you(albeit kliff is being voted by them rn)? this is a weird scumslip if ddlc reveals as scum at eod i am slightly afraid that we're hyperfocusing on ddlc on day 1 though so I like the safe idea of poking saltiestcactus23 for lurking/idling bbcode is a pain unvote: gary the savage Vote: saltiestcactus23 Wonderful articoo is pushing me without actualy pushing me and instead voting an afk. Also like I said earlier scum will likely say "i told you so" tmrw when (and i say when cuz i dont see anyone leaving my wagon and im also not voting for cyan so) i flip town and get to use me bring the "hyperfocus" as a scapegoat and to say that ppl pushed me so they didnt have to have interactions with partners. I think that probably everyone on my wagon is town (except for maybe peng but idk man prob not) and I feel like your planting the seeds to do exactly what im afraid ppl would do. That being said saltiest cactus isnt a TERRIBLE vote but its clear that your not voting anyone you think will get traction cuz your gonna hide from the fact that tmrw will be a day of constant accusations as to why ppl thought i was scum. |
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Post by quojova on Jun 8, 2021 18:49:39 GMT
unvote chaos
I have him as a townlean anyway
my hangpool is penguinD/articu/GTS/vertigo/kliff(?)
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Post by ddlcfan69 on Jun 8, 2021 18:50:15 GMT
ok i think i'm confused cuz this point in itself makes him scummy. i def think ddlc has been showing self-image awareness but not the part where he tries to portray himself as town. he was responding to all the posts about him but at the same time like he replies with weird shit LOL and idk if he thinks that makes him townie but i kinda think that's just who he is. but i do appreciate u casing him sfl i find u pretty townie cuz of it. its prolly just the overthinking part of me nitpicking everything What if im aware of the fact that im being self aware and dont care? |
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Post by quojova on Jun 8, 2021 18:51:35 GMT
Honestly the third point is probably the most important, scum need to prove credibility, townies can be genuine from the start and would honestly be the most damning point for a scum ddlc but i do want to see ddlc responding to cyan before i switch my votes So after seeing gary's recent posts i'm thinking towards a TL on them, i lean neutral to sl on ddlc partly due to the wagon being overly stable(if scum i'll be assuming a bus) under the idea that scum would offer more diversions from the wagon. Vertigo: "I'll repeat myself, but : playing suboptimally is not prohibited, and by being an actual strategy we have to consider the eventuality of it, factoring my recent discussion about it with FortColors" this is...weird are you implying that scum ddlc would vote their scum partner on d1, in this case you(albeit kliff is being voted by them rn)? this is a weird scumslip if ddlc reveals as scum at eod i am slightly afraid that we're hyperfocusing on ddlc on day 1 though so I like the safe idea of poking saltiestcactus23 for lurking/idling bbcode is a pain unvote: gary the savage Vote: saltiestcactus23 Wonderful articoo is pushing me without actualy pushing me and instead voting an afk. Also like I said earlier scum will likely say "i told you so" tmrw when (and i say when cuz i dont see anyone leaving my wagon and im also not voting for cyan so) i flip town and get to use me bring the "hyperfocus" as a scapegoat and to say that ppl pushed me so they didnt have to have interactions with partners. I think that probably everyone on my wagon is town (except for maybe peng but idk man prob not) and I feel like your planting the seeds to do exactly what im afraid ppl would do. That being said saltiest cactus isnt a TERRIBLE vote but its clear that your not voting anyone you think will get traction cuz your gonna hide from the fact that tmrw will be a day of constant accusations as to why ppl thought i was scum. you are not really helping your case tbh |
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Post by ddlcfan69 on Jun 8, 2021 18:52:29 GMT
Ddlcfan69
There No doubt they came off with an unabashed demeanor.
No idea why ddlcfan69 is bringing moms into Mafia Game??? POST
They are being quite responsive indeed. Their “defensive responsives” have seem Fairly Non-Scummy. Though when I look back it seemed to it was Mostly a reaction to Cyan Thoughts.
Those who been on the Receiving End of these 1 v 1 could see things the we cannot see from the outside. So What Did ddlcfan69 make out of cyan as a Slot.
With the information Revealed It seems Ddlcfan69 lynch pool are: Kliff, articunight and Vertigo. Which is pretty Interesting. POST
Their “me Coaching vertigo” Is just one big meme right? Right? Maybe Not. Nonetheless you achieved what you wanted and we both have more Post. Do you Stan?I Stan. Also i dont remember saying i sred Vertigo and if you think that my early part of the game is one big meme why would the your mom part be anything different? |
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Post by ddlcfan69 on Jun 8, 2021 18:53:48 GMT
I get what you mean here and ya know I didnt think before I posted this but I was trying to establish myself as a shitposter who was also trying to lead town. Did I try to shift attention from myself tho? From a your mom joke? really? I dont see It and I dont want to keep trying to be "self aware" as Cyan calls it but I just want you to think about why if a scum was trying to be very actuve to fool town, that they would do it in this way? half your posts after the your mom joke and before this latest "drive" are "why is attention on me" It was more then half and i still dont get it which is why i wont leave it alone |
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Post by quojova on Jun 8, 2021 18:54:48 GMT
Wonderful articoo is pushing me without actualy pushing me and instead voting an afk. Also like I said earlier scum will likely say "i told you so" tmrw when (and i say when cuz i dont see anyone leaving my wagon and im also not voting for cyan so) i flip town and get to use me bring the "hyperfocus" as a scapegoat and to say that ppl pushed me so they didnt have to have interactions with partners. I think that probably everyone on my wagon is town (except for maybe peng but idk man prob not) and I feel like your planting the seeds to do exactly what im afraid ppl would do. That being said saltiest cactus isnt a TERRIBLE vote but its clear that your not voting anyone you think will get traction cuz your gonna hide from the fact that tmrw will be a day of constant accusations as to why ppl thought i was scum. you are not really helping your case tbh that said I still think ddlc is town |
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Post by ddlcfan69 on Jun 8, 2021 18:58:17 GMT
I do indeed agree with most of these posts accept that ppl are putting all the pressure on to me and vertigo, then transversly on to cyan for when im town. I kinda want to look more into ppl who have defended me like you and gary and sky cuz while i appreciate the defense I cant help but wonder that it will be a great self image for them that they defended me then I flipped town and poor cyan who poured his heart and soul into a garbage push will now be scapegoated because of it. Honestly I tr penguin and Vertigo and even tho penguin is pushing me for literally no reason other then sheeping I dont think they would vote me if they were scum unless they were trying to protect wallape/cyan who had equal votes to me at the time but I doubt it. decluttering this post because being passive-aggressive also means being unclear and everyone appreciates clarity: ddlc's take here is that the people defending him are worth looking into, as they may be using his hypothetical townflip as cred points. while i'd have to disagree on gary's front for this one (gary's main read attribute has been less about defending ddlc and more about shakily doing so), it's a fair statement; problem is it leads us nowhere in the present moment that being said, why do you tr vertigo? i may have missed that. did he push you? Actually tring vertigo may be a strech but I feel like the idea that vertigos pushes are simply because hes my partner make me feel like they are genuine even though he did exactly what i said he would do if he was scum which is not hard push me like he does in chat mafia hmmmmmmm |
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Post by ddlcfan69 on Jun 8, 2021 19:06:35 GMT
probably at something like this rn (not ordered): +++ wallape ++ ddlcfan69 skyfigueroa Cyan Talon + chaostrodon kliff null FortColors Vertigo - PenguinD articunight Gary the Savage thinking about which ones to elaborate on and who I even want to hang I need to reread fort Also this is a pretty good list honestly except change kliff and Vertigo gg Also i never said this but I tr quojava hes the real town leader here and i hope he doesnt get fearkilled or else town is likely in a bit of a pickle |
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Post by kliff on Jun 8, 2021 19:08:32 GMT
Can you specifically define "Teammates Think Alike moment" for me? can you describe what specifics of what Cyan does fits the "competent scum prototype"Onto your actual points, I find it slightly concerning that your reason for giving people credibility is "unsualness" and "response on controversial topics"
1b)I did think cyan was trying to fit that description at first however, I don't think that still the case anymore. I Will address my cyan read in another post.
1c)I Believe town players would show more unusual traits than the Mafia for many reasons. After many years of playing, I believe Town at a certain level has always shown unusual
behavior which is something I need to consider. If you thinking I am Trusting a player base on 1-2 posts or reasons then Don’t be concerned. I am not doing that. My Main Focus is to find
the most optimal vote and then execute.
...what exactly is your gary take? They have 2 fantastic takes and are repeatedly uncertain, which means... nullread? Is that your take?
i have to force myself to select kliff posts because unpacking them is such a nightmare, but they are definitely posts and he does say things, or at least appear to. That last part is definitely a stretch. I refuse to believe DDLC has done anything this game for the sole purpose of making more posts. He shows no hesitation in spamming shitposts and probably has more posts than half the playerlist combined |
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Post by Gary The Savage on Jun 8, 2021 19:14:53 GMT
I'm gonna start with
Unvote: SaltiestCactus
there's no point being on this wagon, it's completely nai and i doubt the slot's gonna hit 5 posts today. okay fair colors are pretty. After all, I am Fort and I like Colors :^). I'm glad someone else takes issue with kliff's posts because I couldn't tell if it was just godawful formatting and capitalization or if the posts themselves felt off. But I hate them. With a passion. typing in forums is hard idm shifting from sc23(not 43 :pensive:) to penguin but that might shift the weight from ddlc more than i want. current thoughts: A: Why are you Fos'ing on gary? // i didn't understand it. is it them being uncertain? but that would qualify as a townslip, since certainty is often correlatable to being the minority with info B: I really want to see ddlc defend against cyan's 3 point agenda post C: Switching between peng/sc isn't an issue, i still want to gather reactions since i haven't played with most of you :^ D: I should make a votecount whenever i post since god its confusing to not have that accessibly General reads: tl on cyan and gary rn, gary's may be subject to change if fortcolors has a sizable reason cyan's is primarily since i can understand the logic behind their push slight sl on peng, slightly larger sl on ddlc i suppose though i'm still miffed how the only way of getting attention on other players is wagoning onto penguin :/ i do agree ddlc is trying way too hard to be a town, but as we associate that with being a pr too we might just be poking a pr claim out on day 1 which would suck i will hard sr anyone who tries to jump from ddlc to whichever wagon of note is around rn(i think its just peng? and some 2-vote wagons?) i can't...figure out how to quote multiple people so um bear with me ; In reference to kliff just a couple notes post many of the points don't make sense to me, although i'm glad the penguin tr thing was pointed out(weird as all hell, might be scum spew, might be a random attempt to divert attention) why was cyan getting on ddlc weird, could you explain that while keeping in mind the current state of the game as compared to only the first post? considering that it was very early game there isn't necessarily much logic behind each vote. I'm assuming the teammates think alike thing was in reference to a possible scumteam of cyan+chaostrodon but again, people grasping on to the same point kinda makes that iffy in my opinion. other ramblings: currently my votepool probably has ddlc and penguin albeit i'm not voting either rn, i would also like to see a bit of pressure on quojova/kliff to seal a tl or uncover an sl i am curious on your reads so far and would love an elaboration quojova since i'm having some difficulty in seeing who you're voting rn(or want to vote rn), although the votecount showed a vote from you on chaostrodon. My fos on gary is for 2 reasons. 1) during my read-through he just felt extremely defensive to me. This was a gut feeling, and I quoted a post earlier that was particularly egregious. ("fake town...?") 2) he's been noncommittal about just about everything. The only thing he's been certain of is that ddlc is a memer, and everything else is just waffling about. There's a difference between town uncertainty and scum unwillingness to commit to something. Scum might hesitate to commit to a townlynch because they don't want to be scrutinized after, or they might hesitate to push a scumwagon even after saying "hmmmm x is scummy" because they won't want to lose a partner. To me, the difference is that gary seems to just be uncertain about everythingLook at my signature, I hate lurkers. to that end lynch penguindim expecting my 600 word essay any time now. okay, still not sure how me asking what fake town is comes off as defensive, especially when it wasn't even used regarding me. And yes, I am a bit indecisive. Thanks for repeating sfl. I wouldn't say indecisive about everything though |
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Post by Gary The Savage on Jun 8, 2021 19:16:58 GMT
and the tensions rise....
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Post by ddlcfan69 on Jun 8, 2021 19:17:56 GMT
and as kliff asked for.... Regarding user PenguinD: Penguin could easily be scum. They've had 2 posts about ddlc pmeta, an rvs vote, telling someone they're in the wrong game, and iioa. That's it. Now as previously established, pmeta should not be used in any way and they honestly hopped ontp the ddlc wagon withput a real reason. Now I know I have been saying I don't tr ddlc but tbh, the growth of his wagon based mostly on his uselessness does make him appear townie to me. Man... I kinda sus penguin lol but I also kinda dont wanna omgus cuz that would solidify in ppls minds that im scum so.... |
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Post by kliff on Jun 8, 2021 19:24:19 GMT
and as kliff asked for.... Regarding user PenguinD: Penguin could easily be scum. They've had 2 posts about ddlc pmeta, an rvs vote, telling someone they're in the wrong game, and iioa. That's it. Now as previously established, pmeta should not be used in any way and they honestly hopped ontp the ddlc wagon withput a real reason. Now I know I have been saying I don't tr ddlc but tbh, the growth of his wagon based mostly on his uselessness does make him appear townie to me. Man... I kinda sus penguin lol but I also kinda dont wanna omgus cuz that would solidify in ppls minds that im scum so.... Don't you sus 3 other people also? seems Priortizing your own survival with this post alone. Use your vote on how you see fit |
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Post by ddlcfan69 on Jun 8, 2021 19:27:09 GMT
quite frankly i think the reason the wagon was "overly stable" was 17 hours of no posts from ddlc, giving people no reason to move off. would you be interested in shifting to penguin as a the lurker pressure? someone else mentioned that sc23 probably just gets subbed out while penguin's done his bare minimum and dipped.
typing in forums is hard idm shifting from sc23(not 43 :pensive:) to penguin but that might shift the weight from ddlc more than i want. current thoughts: A: Why are you Fos'ing on gary? // i didn't understand it. is it them being uncertain? but that would qualify as a townslip, since certainty is often correlatable to being the minority with info B: I really want to see ddlc defend against cyan's 3 point agenda post C: Switching between peng/sc isn't an issue, i still want to gather reactions since i haven't played with most of you :^ D: I should make a votecount whenever i post since god its confusing to not have that accessibly General reads: tl on cyan and gary rn, gary's may be subject to change if fortcolors has a sizable reason cyan's is primarily since i can understand the logic behind their push slight sl on peng, slightly larger sl on ddlc i suppose though i'm still miffed how the only way of getting attention on other players is wagoning onto penguin :/ i do agree ddlc is trying way too hard to be a town, but as we associate that with being a pr too we might just be poking a pr claim out on day 1 which would suck i will hard sr anyone who tries to jump from ddlc to whichever wagon of note is around rn(i think its just peng? and some 2-vote wagons?) i can't...figure out how to quote multiple people so um bear with me ; In reference to kliff just a couple notes post many of the points don't make sense to me, although i'm glad the penguin tr thing was pointed out(weird as all hell, might be scum spew, might be a random attempt to divert attention) why was cyan getting on ddlc weird, could you explain that while keeping in mind the current state of the game as compared to only the first post? considering that it was very early game there isn't necessarily much logic behind each vote. I'm assuming the teammates think alike thing was in reference to a possible scumteam of cyan+chaostrodon but again, people grasping on to the same point kinda makes that iffy in my opinion. other ramblings: currently my votepool probably has ddlc and penguin albeit i'm not voting either rn, i would also like to see a bit of pressure on quojova/kliff to seal a tl or uncover an sl i am curious on your reads so far and would love an elaboration quojova since i'm having some difficulty in seeing who you're voting rn(or want to vote rn), although the votecount showed a vote from you on chaostrodon. This is my strongest sr atm |
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Post by ddlcfan69 on Jun 8, 2021 19:27:52 GMT
Man... I kinda sus penguin lol but I also kinda dont wanna omgus cuz that would solidify in ppls minds that im scum so.... Don't you sus 3 other people also? seems Priortizing your own survival with this post alone. Use your vote on how you see fit IK thats why i didnt vote him lol |
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Post by PenguinD on Jun 8, 2021 19:30:02 GMT
Hi I exist. unvote ddlc read through their posts and they responded more townie like to their wagon. I’d pull quotes but that’s tough on mobile kek. Reading through other users rn.
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Post by ddlcfan69 on Jun 8, 2021 19:31:45 GMT
Im thinking that articoo really is just repeating what other ppl are saying and is setting up for me to flip town while also giving other reads to avoid making it seem like they tried to avoid iteractions.
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Post by kliff on Jun 8, 2021 19:37:18 GMT
Regarding user ddlcfan69: is ddlcfan negtown? Atm yes, yes they are. Does this mean that they are scum? No, no it does not. I've argued this point time and time again amd will continue to do so. Voting town just because they are negtown doesn't do any good nor does it advance the town wincon, which should be the goal. Rather, to vote negtown town is hypocritical as by doing so you are negtown yourself. It'd be much better and more telling on your own part, if you are town, to vote who you believe scum is. As much as I'd like for ddlc to stop meming as much as they are as it isn't getting anywhere, they're negligence as town does not make them scum. Now, by no means am I saying ddlc is town. But ddlc, if you are, advance your own wincon and don't help scum by being negtown. Because they can just take control and take advantage. And if you sr ddlc for reasons beside negtown filler, get on them and see what I care, but if thats it, I'm uncertain. Secondly, not once have I said ddlc is certainly town. And if any other user were to do as I explained earlier, I'd say the same thing, just as I have in previous games and as kliff asked for.... Now I know I have been saying I don't tr ddlc but tbh, the growth of his wagon based mostly on his uselessness does make him appear townie to me. |
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Post by chaostrodon on Jun 8, 2021 19:53:00 GMT
Hi I exist. unvote ddlc read through their posts and they responded more townie like to their wagon. I’d pull quotes but that’s tough on mobile kek. Reading through other users rn. I dont see scum!Penguin unvoting town!ddlc here , which means Peng is likely town unless ddlc is scum What do you guys think? Not the unvoting itself , but apparently finding something townie in ddlc's defence |
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Post by articunight on Jun 8, 2021 20:54:09 GMT
typing in forums is hard idm shifting from sc23(not 43 :pensive:) to penguin but that might shift the weight from ddlc more than i want. current thoughts: A: Why are you Fos'ing on gary? // i didn't understand it. is it them being uncertain? but that would qualify as a townslip, since certainty is often correlatable to being the minority with info B: I really want to see ddlc defend against cyan's 3 point agenda post C: Switching between peng/sc isn't an issue, i still want to gather reactions since i haven't played with most of you :^ D: I should make a votecount whenever i post since god its confusing to not have that accessibly General reads: tl on cyan and gary rn, gary's may be subject to change if fortcolors has a sizable reason cyan's is primarily since i can understand the logic behind their push slight sl on peng, slightly larger sl on ddlc i suppose though i'm still miffed how the only way of getting attention on other players is wagoning onto penguin :/ i do agree ddlc is trying way too hard to be a town, but as we associate that with being a pr too we might just be poking a pr claim out on day 1 which would suck i will hard sr anyone who tries to jump from ddlc to whichever wagon of note is around rn(i think its just peng? and some 2-vote wagons?) i can't...figure out how to quote multiple people so um bear with me ; In reference to kliff just a couple notes post many of the points don't make sense to me, although i'm glad the penguin tr thing was pointed out(weird as all hell, might be scum spew, might be a random attempt to divert attention) why was cyan getting on ddlc weird, could you explain that while keeping in mind the current state of the game as compared to only the first post? considering that it was very early game there isn't necessarily much logic behind each vote. I'm assuming the teammates think alike thing was in reference to a possible scumteam of cyan+chaostrodon but again, people grasping on to the same point kinda makes that iffy in my opinion. other ramblings: currently my votepool probably has ddlc and penguin albeit i'm not voting either rn, i would also like to see a bit of pressure on quojova/kliff to seal a tl or uncover an sl i am curious on your reads so far and would love an elaboration quojova since i'm having some difficulty in seeing who you're voting rn(or want to vote rn), although the votecount showed a vote from you on chaostrodon. This is my strongest sr atm i might just have missed it, but did you ever respond to cyan's 3 points? since as i said before, that was the only thing making me wait on voting you. in the post you quoted, i questioned a number of people asked for pressure on two dismissed a possible suggested scumteam and reaffirmed that i do sr penguin i'm not sure what you want me to do more of |
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Post by kliff on Jun 8, 2021 21:23:10 GMT
Hi I exist. unvote ddlc read through their posts and they responded more townie like to their wagon. I’d pull quotes but that’s tough on mobile kek. Reading through other users rn. I dont see scum!Penguin unvoting town!ddlc here , which means Peng is likely town unless ddlc is scum What do you guys think? Not the unvoting itself , but apparently finding something townie in ddlc's defence
 
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Post by Gary The Savage on Jun 8, 2021 21:30:09 GMT
Regarding user ddlcfan69: is ddlcfan negtown? Atm yes, yes they are. Does this mean that they are scum? No, no it does not. I've argued this point time and time again amd will continue to do so. Voting town just because they are negtown doesn't do any good nor does it advance the town wincon, which should be the goal. Rather, to vote negtown town is hypocritical as by doing so you are negtown yourself. It'd be much better and more telling on your own part, if you are town, to vote who you believe scum is. As much as I'd like for ddlc to stop meming as much as they are as it isn't getting anywhere, they're negligence as town does not make them scum. Now, by no means am I saying ddlc is town. But ddlc, if you are, advance your own wincon and don't help scum by being negtown. Because they can just take control and take advantage. And if you sr ddlc for reasons beside negtown filler, get on them and see what I care, but if thats it, I'm uncertain. Secondly, not once have I said ddlc is certainly town. And if any other user were to do as I explained earlier, I'd say the same thing, just as I have in previous games and as kliff asked for.... Now I know I have been saying I don't tr ddlc but tbh, the growth of his wagon based mostly on his uselessness does make him appear townie to me. wdym? My thoughts are my thoughts, do what you want with them |
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