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Post by kliff on Jun 10, 2021 17:04:48 GMT
eh digimon maf gary was a little more confident too. might just be a situational thing. bgb did a pretty good job convincing me and im considering gary/cyan more. penguind i mean he's a lurker u can throw him in with any scum pairing and it would make sense lol. kliff whats ur current read on articoo i remember u kinda feeling like they were town yday which i didnt agree with. does it still feel that way
quite frankly i think the reason the wagon was "overly stable" was 17 hours of no posts from ddlc, giving people no reason to move off. would you be interested in shifting to penguin as a the lurker pressure? someone else mentioned that sc23 probably just gets subbed out while penguin's done his bare minimum and dipped. idm shifting from sc23(not 43 :pensive:) to penguin but that might shift the weight from ddlc more than i want. General reads: tl on cyan and gary rn, gary's may be subject to change if fortcolors has a sizable reason cyan's is primarily since i can understand the logic behind their push slight sl on peng, slightly larger sl on ddlc i suppose though i'm still miffed how the only way of getting attention on other players is wagoning onto penguin :/ i do agree ddlc is trying way too hard to be a town, but as we associate that with being a pr too we might just be poking a pr claim out on day 1 which would suck i will hard sr anyone who tries to jump from ddlc to whichever wagon of note is around rn(i think its just peng? and some 2-vote wagons?) other ramblings: currently my votepool probably has ddlc and penguin albeit i'm not voting either rn, i would also like to see a bit of pressure on quojova/kliff to seal a tl or uncover an sl i am curious on your reads so far and would love an elaboration quojova since i'm having some difficulty in seeing who you're voting rn(or want to vote rn), although the votecount showed a vote from you on chaostrodon.
2.Looks like they were pretty confident on ddlc being maf, even though they ended up voting them near EOD.
3.Went from lynching the 0-poster to lynch the Trending active player. Though i guess it was just pressure/highlight.
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Post by kliff on Jun 10, 2021 17:28:04 GMT
i'd also like to take a bit of your time to introduce you to another potential wagon focus: kliff. notice the following postsa majority of kliff's interactive posts have been asking one-line questions on clarifying other players' positions. these types of posts don't actually contribute much towards scumhunting and i kinda think kliff would know that? also, the fact that kliff's reads are being served in the form of a read wall instead of through direct engagement in discussion is kinda weird to me. i'm not sure if they're approaching the game from a third-party perspective or are trying to avoid being personally involved in deeper stuff. also, it's a lot easier to be passive when posting read walls here's the post in question outlining the read on kliff i made earlier. tl;dr kliff's reads have been in the form of simple walls expressing reads on every single player in the game, and their questions have been focused on clarifying information as opposed to digging new things out. i don't see kliff making an argument against any specific player and fleshing it out as the game progresses, so they seem more reactionary to everything than actively scumhunting
Also I'm not understanding how you got think vertigo as town? BS read?
They are town because they did not defend/buddy ddlc when they were pursed and was on Gary the Savage instead? |
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Post by Gary The Savage on Jun 10, 2021 18:02:20 GMT
yo okay Vertigo do you mind posting some of the reads on me from yday cuz I must be blind y'all tunnel vision getting the best of you and mine is too, I'm tempted to shuft back to wape skyfigueroa fwiw the only forum game I've ever been scum in is mononoke I'll probs do a wallpost either today or tomorrow assuming I'm not hammered before then just to get my reads out there for y'all since I presume I'm dead unless some crazy persuasion happens |
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Post by kliff on Jun 10, 2021 19:50:45 GMT
this gary wagon is like the least pure thing I've ever seen esp. if you add in penguin for that I'm probably never voting there today but at some point I have to iso everyone again and maybe gary will be super scummy I doubt it though probably at something like this rn (not ordered): - PenguinD articunight Gary the Savage thinking about which ones to elaborate on and who I even want to hang |
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Post by articunight on Jun 10, 2021 21:14:49 GMT
eh digimon maf gary was a little more confident too. might just be a situational thing. bgb did a pretty good job convincing me and im considering gary/cyan more. penguind i mean he's a lurker u can throw him in with any scum pairing and it would make sense lol. kliff whats ur current read on articoo i remember u kinda feeling like they were town yday which i didnt agree with. does it still feel that way
idm shifting from sc23(not 43 :pensive:) to penguin but that might shift the weight from ddlc more than i want. General reads: tl on cyan and gary rn, gary's may be subject to change if fortcolors has a sizable reason cyan's is primarily since i can understand the logic behind their push slight sl on peng, slightly larger sl on ddlc i suppose though i'm still miffed how the only way of getting attention on other players is wagoning onto penguin :/ i do agree ddlc is trying way too hard to be a town, but as we associate that with being a pr too we might just be poking a pr claim out on day 1 which would suck i will hard sr anyone who tries to jump from ddlc to whichever wagon of note is around rn(i think its just peng? and some 2-vote wagons?) other ramblings: currently my votepool probably has ddlc and penguin albeit i'm not voting either rn, i would also like to see a bit of pressure on quojova/kliff to seal a tl or uncover an sl i am curious on your reads so far and would love an elaboration quojova since i'm having some difficulty in seeing who you're voting rn(or want to vote rn), although the votecount showed a vote from you on chaostrodon.
2.Looks like they were pretty confident on ddlc being maf, even though they ended up voting them near EOD.
3.Went from lynching the 0-poster to lynch the Trending active player. Though i guess it was just pressure/highlight.
In a dire need of a update from them. I am just currently watching this slot.regarding the quote itself i'm not sure what your 3 points are pointing out beyond "red flag due to disagreement from tl" iioa, is there a specific read you want me to update on? separate rambling killmeta weirded me out and is making me assume peng to be town? since a null kill target implies scum is fine with the current status quo, and peng was the main potential cw at eod1 from my pov i really don't understand the gary vote and am hoping someone can make another cohesive post about why there are 4 people on them. bit tired right now so i'm going to properly look over each person once i wake up although i dont get quojova's being on peng today(is it still the same reasoning as yday?) peng being on fort is just as confusing to me since the thought progression isn't getting through i have a slight interest in quojova to scumcase fortcolors. i'm not sure why sky is on me but after reading up i'm realizing that i haven't looked at a single notification after seeing that fort is liking all of them oops
best i can do is answer the questions in the first tag now ig A: Responses from someone who's being sred would allow me to determine a stronger read on them rather than being shaky over peng/ddlc at day1 B: i can't remember who was on the wagon at that point what i was more interested in was who else would hop on/dismiss the wagon in its entirety but that became a lot less important once ddlc revealed as town "if that's the case and ur just waiting for scum to offer diversions from the wagon, there have definitely been a number of other wagons that could potentially serve as these diversions. it's mostly u saying the neutral to sl thing that throws me off cuz it sounds like ur already okay with shifting to ddlc but also not none of the wagons at the point had taken plur(as far as i could tell) considering that i assumed scums would just try to avoid drawing further attention but that falls invalid again since ddlc flipped town although i was interested in the eod gary wagon of chaos+verti+ddlc i'll try to keep an eye out on notifs from now gn |
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Post by Fort Colorcastle on Jun 10, 2021 22:51:30 GMT
I count 7. Not that it matters, it's still basically lurking. But it does beg the question of why you're ignoring certain posts. Awwwww :fioblushy: how generous. ik that doesn't work here lemme find it okay, fair enough. Defensiveness is such a huge part of our suspicions today though. How much are we overvaluing it (defensiveness) as a scumtell? This is a question for everyone, actually, since that seems to be the basis of most pushes today. Except penguin, fuck lurkers. I can't tell if this is a blatant pocket attempt or if he thinks this is meaningful discussion. ...excuse me? You're not going to talk if you don't have plur anymore? what???????? Unvote: penguind
Vote: ddlc
I don't know where plur is at, but penguin is the one I wantED to lynch. Past tense. This post rubs me the wrong way so hard my hair now grows with the follicles hanging off the end
Shifts off a lurker bc of a nai line, to secure gary not being voted perhaps? quite frankly i thought the vote was between you and him, which was a vote between a hard lurker and a hard memer and i've fallen for cayden's bullshit once and never again. tbf he was both but still never again. I also stand by my statement here:
Townlocks- Quo and Chaos even tho he needs to talk more TLS- Vertigo, Cyan Null- Sky, Wallape Gary and Kliff SL- Fort (literally shifted plur for no reason) Articoo (literally done nothing of value bt repeat everyone else then vote me), Gary (has most to potentially gain for when I flip town) if you're gonna tell me you won't talk unless you have plur then im gonna shift it to you. very very simple. Sure this was a ragevote but I no longer regret it because thinking back now I'd do it again every single time. ----------------------------------------------------
I don't think you roll a die and land on the only kill that gives us literally no information whatsoever from interactions. I agree completely with cyan's analysis, but would like to point out a third possibility: they wanted to avoid both protection prs we have. OR maybe you couldn't stand the lurking and killed him yourself but you see, if i had been a serial killer whose win condition is to kill lurkers and be left alive with the most active players, i would've killed the lurker that WASN'T about to be subbed out :^) Not sure what you mean by the part in red I was just saying scum has no incentive to progress game state from rvs stage to serious stuff but I can see sky's point in it being wifomy as well all I mean is that every single mafia game ever features people reading other people based on how much perceived work they are putting in it's not anything out of the ordinary at all to anticipate that as scum because it happens every game agreed. no reason at all to assume scum will play poorly or actually have ur opinions on the reason for kill changed yet? the kill being randed thing was another one of those things u inferred and didnt justify while other ppl can get a different interpretation of. I dont care anymore. Not gonna factor the kill too much in my reads maybe you won't, but i'm certainly curious about why you're so certain the kill was thoughtlessly randed.
Well played my goon, however you didn't Even Vote.
  Why is that? My man PenguinD straight up referred to himself as a lurker in the follow up post that's.... not a good thing.
You tell me. Where are these pairings based on? was your original post just some random thought that came out from your rear end?
 to answer your question, I don't think so(especially with me in there). I have a Cyan/peguinD/Gary post currently in the making No , its me trying to fit scum!Gary into a team I thought Cyan / Gary too but that thing today about voting Gary and then immediately switching to you saying he remembered something was a big brain distancing tactic for a scum!Cyan . Scum!Cyan with a scumpartner Gary coming into the start of day having decided to bus Gary makes sense Scum! Cyan coming into the start of day deciding to hard push you also makes sense.
But switching his vote like that makes it seem authentic. Its a nice maneuver from scum!Cyan
So basically , Cyan is either pretty smart or not scum with Gary.
Im gonna go with the later theory until I have exhausted all other options ... interesting. you seem to be trying awfully hard to fit facts to a read instead of the other way around. tunnel vision dangerous.
Cyan Talon trying to rile up fort colors vs kliff by misinterpreting a meme - noted it's what i do best. also are you just going to label this as "rile up"? i'd think that if kliff did not have an existing FortColors read they would have worded it as "scum did not want lurkers to survive" instead of "you did not want lurkers to survive"
You tell me. Where are these pairings based on? was your original post just some random thought that came out from your rear end?
to answer your question, I don't think so(especially with me in there). I have a Cyan/peguinD/Gary post currently in the makinglooking forward to it. also +1 on the pairings part also can someone elab on how verti is town? wallape explained it so i'm paraphrasing: vertigo counterpushed when i mentioned ddlc/vertigo as a scumteam. if vertigo was scum, he would have known that ddlc was town; given the fact that i showed no intention of getting off the ddlc wagon, scum!verti had no incentive to intervene in that aside from maybe attempting to buddy up to ddlc although given that vertigo was on the gts wagon yesterday that is a very possible explanation the meme is very specifically targeted for a very specific reason. i spent a good bit of yesterday prodding lurkers and my vote was parked on lurkers for literally everything except the last 30 minutes of the day. there's also the thought that he was trying to defend himself unilaterally because the rest of town could've voted him over ddlc in that scumteam. Gary - scum lean
Looking at Gary Iso something Seems off. It like they are maneuvering in a way where they are avoiding deeper Interactions? or maybe Conflict?. They had their moments of trying to avoid accountability. It like they have their way of participating but indirectly. Gary seems like the most scum likely candidate for me and I will look into partnerships with my other 2 scum leans
Gary/PenguinD/Cyan the scum trio?
Cyan -> Gary
Looking at Gary Interactions with Cyan. The progression on the read on Gary from Cyan was basically like 1.Eh +1, 2.Eh null, 3. Eh not necessarily scummy 4.Eh Fos. In the posts quoted in 3 and 4, Cyan comments that his behavior is “common for scum but not necessarily scummy” That just sounds very contractionary. What I got from it is that Cyan acknowledges Gary’s behavior but decides to leave it up in the air as if it's still a null read? A couple of posts later, Cyan answers the question about why they FOS Gary, and it seems seemed like a short mafia 101 lesson(not choosing a stance). Since they answer the question I assume that their stance on them is null-scum. There isn't anything wrong with the progression itself, But these actions could play a part when it comes to possible partnerships.
Gary -> cyan
Gary's Interactions with Cyan are left at “undecided” and never really revisited. Their interaction is just a straight-up “I don’t know” with no follow-up after that post iirc.
Gary -> penguin & Penguin -> Gary
➤Day 1
Once upon a time, Penguin asks Gary a question. Gary notices the question and replied with an answer. The End. However, the interaction did seem like Town v scum. I don't see penguin asking their scum partner THIS
➤Day 2
Gary votes penguin
Cyan -> penguin & Penguin -> cyan
0. Make sense.
In Conclusion
Potential Teams
!scumPenguinD could be teammates with Both but less likely with Gary
!scumCyan Could be teammates with Both
!scum Gary Could be teammates both but likely Cyan but less likely with penguin
No, they are probably not all partners together
In Conclusion, I gather all my main scum leans and try to see if they are scum-compatible and believe at least 1 scum in this trio pair. I'm usually always wrong with trio-scum so I estimate there is at least 1 town in this also. Gary may not be the most scum-compatible but they are the best vote.
Vote Gary The Savage kliff with the actual analysis :poggies: im gonna have to reread this like 9 times okay. I think I like it? I'm down for both penguin and gary, but at this point penguin is still a bigger target for me because I think we can count on gary giving us more to read while penguin is, as quo said, flat. Well played my goon, however you didn't Even Vote.
Why is that? Would’ve voted gary yday if i hadn’t run out of time. Thought we had an extra hour to do stuff spicy. is that hindsight 20/20? did you mention this at all in twilight? The Last person I would think to kill SSR slot the 0 poster would be fort since they set an image of targeting lurkers. To kill the 0 poster rather then pursuing a mislynch is wouldn't be much in their favor. So maybe some town points there. This logic is kinda shaky imo. Like, townpoints are great and all but that logic is just too weak for me to not point out. The way I understand it is: starsrock was an unknown quantity, so he could have lurked. If he ended up lurking, that's a free mislynch push for scum!fort so scum!fort doesn't kill him to allow another potential lurker to exist. that's... uh.... lmao? The Last person I would think to kill SSR slot the 0 poster would be fort since they set an image of targeting lurkers. To kill the 0 poster rather then pursuing a mislynch is wouldn't be much in their favor. So maybe some town points there. there's like no way you actually believe this is there no one is ever going to sr fort for the lurker dying and fort is never going to expect that to happen this, basically. |
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Post by Fort Colorcastle on Jun 10, 2021 22:52:04 GMT
okay so i want to townread quo but his comments about scumranges keep making me question what he's done outside of his
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Post by Fort Colorcastle on Jun 10, 2021 23:08:29 GMT
Yea that was when they had like 3 post I think. but now I'm not sure especially This post right here:
1. An town lean on Gary and Cyan is a red flag for me since I think differently
2.Looks like they were pretty confident on ddlc being maf, even though they ended up voting them near EOD.
3.Went from lynching the 0-poster to lynch the Trending active player. Though i guess it was just pressure/highlight.
In a dire need of a update from them. I am just currently watching this slot. regarding the quote itself i'm not sure what your 3 points are pointing out beyond "red flag due to disagreement from tl" iioa, is there a specific read you want me to update on? separate rambling killmeta weirded me out and is making me assume peng to be town? since a null kill target implies scum is fine with the current status quo, and peng was the main potential cw at eod1 from my pov i really don't understand the gary vote and am hoping someone can make another cohesive post about why there are 4 people on them. bit tired right now so i'm going to properly look over each person once i wake up although i dont get quojova's being on peng today(is it still the same reasoning as yday?) peng being on fort is just as confusing to me since the thought progression isn't getting through i have a slight interest in quojova to scumcase fortcolors. i'm not sure why sky is on me but after reading up i'm realizing that i haven't looked at a single notification after seeing that fort is liking all of them oops
best i can do is answer the questions in the first tag now ig A: Responses from someone who's being sred would allow me to determine a stronger read on them rather than being shaky over peng/ddlc at day1 B: i can't remember who was on the wagon at that point what i was more interested in was who else would hop on/dismiss the wagon in its entirety but that became a lot less important once ddlc revealed as town "if that's the case and ur just waiting for scum to offer diversions from the wagon, there have definitely been a number of other wagons that could potentially serve as these diversions. it's mostly u saying the neutral to sl thing that throws me off cuz it sounds like ur already okay with shifting to ddlc but also not none of the wagons at the point had taken plur(as far as i could tell) considering that i assumed scums would just try to avoid drawing further attention but that falls invalid again since ddlc flipped town although i was interested in the eod gary wagon of chaos+verti+ddlc i'll try to keep an eye out on notifs from now gn i saw this before my reply post but it was so big that i decided to just post it before more things happened.
okay. i also thought penguin was the other counterwagon, but everyone else seems to think it was gary. The fact was that before my shift all 3 of them were at 3 votes. Now this is interesting. looking back, the specific people calling it gary are penguin, wallape, and that's it...? i quickly skimmed through and didn't see anyone else. Okay. So penguin is trying to pretend he wasn't a major counterwagon yesterday and parked his vote on me as part of that I guess. Wallape... idk.
I can't tell what "i have a slight interest in quojova to scumcase fortcolors." means except you want to see quojova build a scumcase against me, except how does he do that if he just hard nullreads me xd. at least the last time he's mentioned me it was a hard nullread. Though now that you mention it I'm rather surprised he didn't bring this back up:
i honestly half-regret my switch to ddlc but only half. i hate lurkers and if you're gonna meme all day and then drop that shit in the final hour then you can have my vote its not quite free but certainly cheap enough why do you sound like you know ddlc is town
I'm wondering why he's trying to avoid that conflict. This in particular makes me falter in my townread on him.
fwiw, my answer to that is threefold:
1) at the time, i regretted hopping off the true lurker known as penguin 2) i regret making a decision in anger instead of logic
3) his twilight wasn't a "gg town i tried to seem like memetown and failed" but rather one last "your mom" joke
though now that I've cooled off I would make the same decision to shift my vote again.
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Post by Fort Colorcastle on Jun 10, 2021 23:10:33 GMT
i should form a proper read on wallape. i had a townlean on him but now i'm not so sure because he made the same assumption as penguin that gary was the counterwagon. Teammates Think Alike?
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Post by Fort Colorcastle on Jun 10, 2021 23:11:28 GMT
oh and btw i think penguin is sus as fuck in case that's not clear. the reason my lynch isn't on him is because i need to figure out for myself whether this suspicion rises from his psuedolurkingness or from actual questionable play
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Post by Gary The Savage on Jun 10, 2021 23:37:36 GMT
FOS of fort, not necessarily for comments made reasonably, butter after other people began to sl me y-day he sorta just sheeped their reads and placed an fos on me, with no prior reads on me having been made by him
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Post by Gary The Savage on Jun 10, 2021 23:38:37 GMT
also want to see more of arti
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Post by Fort Colorcastle on Jun 11, 2021 0:01:44 GMT
currently my biggest townread is, curiously enough, kliff. his posts are godawful to read and i hate them but his big analysis was very on point and i think we should definitely lynch one of penguin or gary today.
chaos: i think i find his tunnel vision on gary to be rather... interesting? i'm trying to figure out what scum!chaos gets from tunnelling gary and the only thing i can think of is protecting penguin. alternately it could be a heavy bus on an already scumread partner?
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Post by Fort Colorcastle on Jun 11, 2021 0:04:12 GMT
FOS of fort, not necessarily for comments made reasonably, butter after other people began to sl me y-day he sorta just sheeped their reads and placed an fos on me, with no prior reads on me having been made by him you're right actually. i have no idea why i'm okay with voting you. i give you towncred for correctly labelling ddlc as a memer yesterday. I don't think scum has a need to do that, when it looked like town was happily going to vote out ddlc out for it
only possibility would be if scum was leading the ddlc vote and scum!gary needed to be a scum on the other side.
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Post by skyfigueroa on Jun 11, 2021 0:07:17 GMT
Regarding user ddlcfan69: is ddlcfan negtown? Atm yes, yes they are. Does this mean that they are scum? No, no it does not. I've argued this point time and time again amd will continue to do so. Voting town just because they are negtown doesn't do any good nor does it advance the town wincon, which should be the goal. Rather, to vote negtown town is hypocritical as by doing so you are negtown yourself. It'd be much better and more telling on your own part, if you are town, to vote who you believe scum is. As much as I'd like for ddlc to stop meming as much as they are as it isn't getting anywhere, they're negligence as town does not make them scum. Leading into the further point as to why I don't like th sfl shift. First off, they took the opportunity to get on negtown when ddlc said "ur mom..." Was this unnecessary on ddlc's part. Yes. Should it be considered a scumtell, not imo. However, as aforementioned constant filler isn't ideal. The other issue is I don't like how easily sfl got off wallape. They seemed satisfied enough with basically NAI. Hence why I've gotten on wallape, as the justification to sfl getting off really isn't there, and with the shift was unnecessary. Wouldn't be surprised if its a potential early game bus.Now, by no means am I saying ddlc is town. But ddlc, if you are, advance your own wincon and don't help scum by being negtown. Because they can just take control and take advantage. And if you sr ddlc for reasons beside negtown filler, get on them and see what I care, but if thats it, I'm uncertain. Um sir if u do think this is true then why did you want to vote me over cyan? Atp cyan was being pushed by vertigo as well, whereas I had near no traction. Surely if you thought both of us were scum then you'd vote the person with more traction? Also basing ur read on us on *A SHIFT FROM RVS VOTE* is also an extremely weak reasoning. While my previous sr on u was based heavily on ur tone, this gives me more reasons to vote u so... Unvote Penguin d, Vote GaryTheSavagebecause sfl was and still is significantly more town than you. Vote: PenguinDthe first like 10 times i read the original line from wallape i thought it was pretty weak reasoning to sr gary for tbh. but i ignored what gary said before that and seeing how gary contradicted himself i can see more why wallape would see that from his pov. like gary wtf r u even saying here "The other issue is I don't like how easily sfl got off wallape. ... Wouldn't be surprised if its a potential early game bus." *lynches wallape instead of cyan because cyan is townie* in that case what is the point of sring wallape if u only saw him as scum WITH cyan |
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Post by skyfigueroa on Jun 11, 2021 0:11:47 GMT
but wallape the reason why i had an issue with u sring gary was i didnt really see him being decisive outside of cyan. tbf he was pretty quiet this game i think but he made his reads pretty clear regarding ddlc and.... i think penguin and that's it. so bgb has opened me to gary/cyan cuz that's the only guy he was indecisive abt so i'm wondering if u think the same thing?
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Post by skyfigueroa on Jun 11, 2021 0:20:35 GMT
other than gary/cyan though im still hesitant to go for gary. plus i've kinda been townleaning cyan which is mostly why
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Post by cyan on Jun 11, 2021 0:31:55 GMT
and in traditional cyan fashion i'm starting to falter with reads Um sir if u do think this is true then why did you want to vote me over cyan? Atp cyan was being pushed by vertigo as well, whereas I had near no traction. Surely if you thought both of us were scum then you'd vote the person with more traction? Also basing ur read on us on *A SHIFT FROM RVS VOTE* is also an extremely weak reasoning. While my previous sr on u was based heavily on ur tone, this gives me more reasons to vote u so... Unvote Penguin d, Vote GaryTheSavagebecause sfl was and still is significantly more town than you. Vote: PenguinDthis is an interesting reaction given that (i don't think) gary has up to this point announced a townread on me. i'm not sure how this weighs in with what kliff argued about me/gary interactions, but it's interesting to think that gary has a read that he never explained much. here's the post in question outlining the read on kliff i made earlier. tl;dr kliff's reads have been in the form of simple walls expressing reads on every single player in the game, and their questions have been focused on clarifying information as opposed to digging new things out. i don't see kliff making an argument against any specific player and fleshing it out as the game progresses, so they seem more reactionary to everything than actively scumhunting
Also I'm not understanding how you got think vertigo as town? BS read?
They are town because they did not defend/buddy ddlc when they were pursed and was on Gary the Savage instead?if i had to pick one option out of two, complaining about which one was picked when both are of equal standing is kind of useless? also, the bolded part isn't the entirety of the argument; what i said about you did not apply to gary vertigo townlean was me paraphrasing another read and adding some thoughts to it. i'm tempted to discard it because of what quojova has commented but i'm sticking by it regardless until verti proves himself otherwise. also, it's not that vertigo is town because they didn't defend/buddy ddlc. on the contrary they were attacking me, one of the biggest pushers on ddlc's wagon. |
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Post by Fort Colorcastle on Jun 11, 2021 0:31:59 GMT
i remember now, gary being highkey indecisive on everything. okay yeah im still okay with that vote. sorry if my brainspace is just not here spending time with cute girl makes brain mushify
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Post by chaostrodon on Jun 11, 2021 0:34:43 GMT
currently my biggest townread is, curiously enough, kliff. his posts are godawful to read and i hate them but his big analysis was very on point and i think we should definitely lynch one of penguin or gary today.chaos: i think i find his tunnel vision on gary to be rather... interesting? i'm trying to figure out what scum!chaos gets from tunnelling gary and the only thing i can think of is protecting penguin. alternately it could be a heavy bus on an already scumread partner? FOS of fort, not necessarily for comments made reasonably, butter after other people began to sl me y-day he sorta just sheeped their reads and placed an fos on me, with no prior reads on me having been made by him you're right actually. i have no idea why i'm okay with voting you. i give you towncred for correctly labelling ddlc as a memer yesterday. I don't think scum has a need to do that, when it looked like town was happily going to vote out ddlc out for it
only possibility would be if scum was leading the ddlc vote and scum!gary needed to be a scum on the other side.
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Post by cyan on Jun 11, 2021 0:35:35 GMT
Gary - scum lean
Looking at Gary Iso something Seems off. It like they are maneuvering in a way where they are avoiding deeper Interactions? or maybe Conflict?. They had their moments of trying to avoid accountability. It like they have their way of participating but indirectly. Gary seems like the most scum likely candidate for me and I will look into partnerships with my other 2 scum leans
Gary/PenguinD/Cyan the scum trio?
Cyan -> Gary
Looking at Gary Interactions with Cyan. The progression on the read on Gary from Cyan was basically like 1.Eh +1, 2.Eh null, 3. Eh not necessarily scummy 4.Eh Fos. In the posts quoted in 3 and 4, Cyan comments that his behavior is “common for scum but not necessarily scummy” That just sounds very contractionary. What I got from it is that Cyan acknowledges Gary’s behavior but decides to leave it up in the air as if it's still a null read? A couple of posts later, Cyan answers the question about why they FOS Gary, and it seems seemed like a short mafia 101 lesson(not choosing a stance). Since they answer the question I assume that their stance on them is null-scum. There isn't anything wrong with the progression itself, But these actions could play a part when it comes to possible partnerships.
Gary -> cyan
Gary's Interactions with Cyan are left at “undecided” and never really revisited. Their interaction is just a straight-up “I don’t know” with no follow-up after that post iirc.
Gary -> penguin & Penguin -> Gary
➤Day 1
Once upon a time, Penguin asks Gary a question. Gary notices the question and replied with an answer. The End. However, the interaction did seem like Town v scum. I don't see penguin asking their scum partner THIS
➤Day 2
Gary votes penguin
Cyan -> penguin & Penguin -> cyan
0. Make sense.
In Conclusion
Potential Teams
!scumPenguinD could be teammates with Both but less likely with Gary
!scumCyan Could be teammates with Both
!scum Gary Could be teammates both but likely Cyan but less likely with penguin
No, they are probably not all partners together
In Conclusion, I gather all my main scum leans and try to see if they are scum-compatible and believe at least 1 scum in this trio pair. I'm usually always wrong with trio-scum so I estimate there is at least 1 town in this also. Gary may not be the most scum-compatible but they are the best vote.
Vote Gary The Savage i think that this is reason enough for me to say that kliff has been watching the game carefully and isn't just flinging out reads willy nilly. thank you for this. UNVOTE: Kliffi kind of want to see what Gary has to say about articoo and wallape before we continue with a vote |
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Post by Gary The Savage on Jun 11, 2021 0:37:58 GMT
y'all say indecisive on everything and its literally just sfl. Yes, I was indecisive on sfl. And I still am. I really don't see the issue with being uncertain about a read on someone. and with ape as a sl, I was saying potential partner interaction between sfl and ape, but since ape is the sl, I got on ape
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Post by cyan on Jun 11, 2021 0:38:43 GMT
this gary wagon is like the least pure thing I've ever seen esp. if you add in penguin for that I'm probably never voting there today but at some point I have to iso everyone again and maybe gary will be super scummy I doubt it though could you elaborate on this? what about the gary wagon seems impure to you, and who would you label as its worst offenders? a good portion of my reads get blown apart by the wifom factor attached to them which makes me angry that being said i still don't think verti would do that i kind of like the tone of this post. Finger of Acquittal at wallape or something |
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Post by cyan on Jun 11, 2021 0:44:58 GMT
y'all say indecisive on everything and its literally just sfl. Yes, I was indecisive on sfl. And I still am. I really don't see the issue with being uncertain about a read on someone. and with ape as a sl, I was saying potential partner interaction between sfl and ape, but since ape is the sl, I got on ape i think the indecisiveness read stemmed more from this post: Regarding user ddlcfan69: is ddlcfan negtown? Atm yes, yes they are. Does this mean that they are scum? No, no it does not. I've argued this point time and time again amd will continue to do so. Voting town just because they are negtown doesn't do any good nor does it advance the town wincon, which should be the goal. Rather, to vote negtown town is hypocritical as by doing so you are negtown yourself. It'd be much better and more telling on your own part, if you are town, to vote who you believe scum is. As much as I'd like for ddlc to stop meming as much as they are as it isn't getting anywhere, they're negligence as town does not make them scum. Leading into the further point as to why I don't like th sfl shift. First off, they took the opportunity to get on negtown when ddlc said "ur mom..." Was this unnecessary on ddlc's part. Yes. Should it be considered a scumtell, not imo. However, as aforementioned constant filler isn't ideal. The other issue is I don't like how easily sfl got off wallape. They seemed satisfied enough with basically NAI. Hence why I've gotten on wallape, as the justification to sfl getting off really isn't there, and with the shift was unnecessary. Wouldn't be surprised if its a potential early game bus. Now, by no means am I saying ddlc is town. But ddlc, if you are, advance your own wincon and don't help scum by being negtown. Because they can just take control and take advantage. And if you sr ddlc for reasons beside negtown filler, get on them and see what I care, but if thats it, I'm uncertain. this felt like you wanted to save ddlc from being voted on grounds of them being negtown, but never actually explaining why ddlc shouldn't have been voted other than "if you vote negtown you're negtown too" without giving us reason to believe they might be town? actually, stating outright that ddlc had some chances of not being town? which is double unhelpful because the reads that were being brought up against ddlc had less to do with being a memer than they were about his reactionary playstyle and the way he was playing defense |
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Post by skyfigueroa on Jun 11, 2021 0:52:29 GMT
WAIT cyan ur right. i think the gary being indecisive thing is being blown out of proportion cuz he was only really indecisive regarding u, cyan talon, stormfirelucario. but "because sfl was and still is significantly more town than you." why didn't you just say that if that's how you really felt. u only really said u actually tled him instead of flipflopping today
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