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Post by kliff on Jun 10, 2021 14:32:56 GMT
The Last person I would think to kill SSR slot the 0 poster would be fort since they set an image of targeting lurkers. To kill the 0 poster rather then pursuing a mislynch is wouldn't be much in their favor. So maybe some town points there. |
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Post by kliff on Jun 10, 2021 14:34:06 GMT
Cyan -> penguin & Penguin -> cyan
0. Make sense.
what do you mean by this part specifically? what do you mean by this part specifically? p sure it says zero interactions |
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Post by kliff on Jun 10, 2021 14:40:18 GMT
Well played my goon, however you didn't Even Vote.
  Why is that? Would’ve voted gary yday if i hadn’t run out of time. Thought we had an extra hour to do stuff I can believe this. Just wanted to know if you had a vote in mind. Since your not on him now, Did you want to vote him to save ddlc then? |
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Post by skyfigueroa on Jun 10, 2021 14:44:10 GMT
i will say the cyan-> gary part is pretty interesting. i def remember the first two quotes but didn't think much of them at the time, but the last 2 solidify it a bit more as cyan not putting focus on gts. for me now its between a town member just being hyper focused on their main sr and not paying attention to others or a scum member purposely keeping the focus away.
im gonna read back mononoke maf cuz i know gary was scum there lol
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Post by smallworldz on Jun 10, 2021 14:46:31 GMT
voted:votee
(hammer 6)
Kliff(1):Cyan Talon
Gary the savage(4)*:Chaostrodon,wallape,Vertigo,kliff
PenguinD(1):Quojova
Fortcolors(1):PenguinD
Aritcunight(1):Skyfigureroa
not voting:Articunight,gary the savage,Fortcolors
If deadline was now Gary the savage would be voted
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Post by wallape on Jun 10, 2021 14:47:40 GMT
Peng on Peng  Also don't think Peng + Gary makes much sense but Gary + Cyan sounds fine |
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Post by PenguinD on Jun 10, 2021 14:54:39 GMT
Would’ve voted gary yday if i hadn’t run out of time. Thought we had an extra hour to do stuff I can believe this. Just wanted to know if you had a vote in mind. Since your not on him now, Did you want to vote him to save ddlc then? Yes. They were a null to sl slot compared to my tr of ddlc. I’d be open to a gary vote today but don’t want to put them at l-1 atm |
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Post by skyfigueroa on Jun 10, 2021 15:06:24 GMT
are u fucking kididng me my laptops os got corrupted again in the middle of reading. i just fixed it last month wtf
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Post by skyfigueroa on Jun 10, 2021 15:20:33 GMT
wallape can u do me a favor and quote some of gary's indecisive tone posts. thxx. i only remember him being indecisive abt cyan but tbf i was half awake and only had like an hour to read the final hours of d1 so those arent as fresh in my mind.
asking this cuz honestly gary was pretty clearly a lot more stern in mononoke maf and that was as scum. so maybe him being the informed minority makes him less indecisive? thats just a one game sample though so doesnt say much should probably view other games as well, but now my fucking pc is broken and im rlly tense now lol. will still try tho
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Post by quojova on Jun 10, 2021 15:21:40 GMT
this is ultimately not very consequential because it comes with too many assumptions but wouldn't a scumteam in a strong position want to limit the shifts in town mindset as much as possible by killing off the only player available to offer new perspectives? yeah. that's kinda what i was saying in point 1. scum in that position would want to maintain status quo, and the best kill for that would be the silent slot because it results in no new minds and a lack of changed existing ones in the pl unnecessarily targeting fortcolors with the meme when scum could've been anyone else feelsweirdman It seemed like that might have been what you were saying... but then I was confused because then you reached the opposite conclusion that the players in safe positions were low-priority fwiw im pretty sure kliff targeted fort with that because it's fort that has the anti-lurker signature and has openly expressed his hatred towards lurkers |
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Post by skyfigueroa on Jun 10, 2021 15:30:10 GMT
loves abound gary is a bit more like current gary, so maybe mononoke is more of the outlier
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Post by wallape on Jun 10, 2021 15:30:32 GMT
now unlike you, i'm not as reserved. Unvote: wallapeVote: ddlcfan69needless to say ddlc's tone in this post feels passive aggressive to me Personally, mixed feelings on sfl. This shift seemed to easy per se. I liked the follow up reasons in their very next post, but the shift itself I'm uncertain of. Regarding user ddlcfan69: is ddlcfan negtown? Atm yes, yes they are. Does this mean that they are scum? No, no it does not. I've argued this point time and time again amd will continue to do so. Voting town just because they are negtown doesn't do any good nor does it advance the town wincon, which should be the goal. Rather, to vote negtown town is hypocritical as by doing so you are negtown yourself. It'd be much better and more telling on your own part, if you are town, to vote who you believe scum is. As much as I'd like for ddlc to stop meming as much as they are as it isn't getting anywhere, they're negligence as town does not make them scum. Leading into the further point as to why I don't like th sfl shift. First off, they took the opportunity to get on negtown when ddlc said "ur mom..." Was this unnecessary on ddlc's part. Yes. Should it be considered a scumtell, not imo. However, as aforementioned constant filler isn't ideal. The other issue is I don't like how easily sfl got off wallape. They seemed satisfied enough with basically NAI. Hence why I've gotten on wallape, as the justification to sfl getting off really isn't there, and with the shift was unnecessary. Wouldn't be surprised if its a potential early game bus. Now, by no means am I saying ddlc is town. But ddlc, if you are, advance your own wincon and don't help scum by being negtown. Because they can just take control and take advantage. And if you sr ddlc for reasons beside negtown filler, get on them and see what I care, but if thats it, I'm uncertain. these were the only 2 i found but its hard without an iso tool zzz. I think the problem with Gary is less of him being certain, but more of his tone coming off as forced to be uncertain |
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Post by quojova on Jun 10, 2021 15:31:40 GMT
Um sir if u do think this is true then why did you want to vote me over cyan? Atp cyan was being pushed by vertigo as well, whereas I had near no traction. Surely if you thought both of us were scum then you'd vote the person with more traction? Also basing ur read on us on *A SHIFT FROM RVS VOTE* is also an extremely weak reasoning. While my previous sr on u was based heavily on ur tone, this gives me more reasons to vote u so... Unvote Penguin d, Vote GaryTheSavagebecause sfl was and still is significantly more town than you. Vote: PenguinDdon't really like this angle of assuming sfl is more town because he has done more analysis seems too simplistic |
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Post by quojova on Jun 10, 2021 15:36:59 GMT
also can someone elab on how verti is town? wallape explained it so i'm paraphrasing: vertigo counterpushed when i mentioned ddlc/vertigo as a scumteam. if vertigo was scum, he would have known that ddlc was town; given the fact that i showed no intention of getting off the ddlc wagon, scum!verti had no incentive to intervene in that aside from maybe attempting to buddy up to ddlc although given that vertigo was on the gts wagon yesterday that is a very possible explanation I don't really buy this tbh I think vertigo can make that push really easily as either alignment his incentive as scum would just be a desire to appear strongly opinionated |
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Post by quojova on Jun 10, 2021 15:41:13 GMT
uh.... kill?  ? lmao The Last person I would think to kill SSR slot the 0 poster would be fort since they set an image of targeting lurkers. To kill the 0 poster rather then pursuing a mislynch is wouldn't be much in their favor. So maybe some town points there. there's like no way you actually believe this is there no one is ever going to sr fort for the lurker dying and fort is never going to expect that to happen |
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Post by quojova on Jun 10, 2021 15:44:55 GMT
this gary wagon is like the least pure thing I've ever seen
esp. if you add in penguin
for that I'm probably never voting there today but at some point I have to iso everyone again and maybe gary will be super scummy
I doubt it though
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Post by skyfigueroa on Jun 10, 2021 15:45:39 GMT
eh digimon maf gary was a little more confident too. might just be a situational thing. bgb did a pretty good job convincing me and im considering gary/cyan more. penguind i mean he's a lurker u can throw him in with any scum pairing and it would make sense lol. kliff whats ur current read on articoo i remember u kinda feeling like they were town yday which i didnt agree with. does it still feel that way |
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Post by skyfigueroa on Jun 10, 2021 15:46:45 GMT
i still want my d1 reads to hold some value but no one ever really takes note of them lol
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Post by skyfigueroa on Jun 10, 2021 15:48:15 GMT
this gary wagon is like the least pure thing I've ever seen esp. if you add in penguin for that I'm probably never voting there today but at some point I have to iso everyone again and maybe gary will be super scummy I doubt it though can u rank the ppl on wagon from most to least genuine lynch or is the whole thing just giving an off vibe |
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Post by wallape on Jun 10, 2021 15:55:02 GMT
wallape explained it so i'm paraphrasing: vertigo counterpushed when i mentioned ddlc/vertigo as a scumteam. if vertigo was scum, he would have known that ddlc was town; given the fact that i showed no intention of getting off the ddlc wagon, scum!verti had no incentive to intervene in that aside from maybe attempting to buddy up to ddlc although given that vertigo was on the gts wagon yesterday that is a very possible explanation I don't really buy this tbh I think vertigo can make that push really easily as either alignment his incentive as scum would just be a desire to appear strongly opinionated why does he need to appear strongly opinionated, challenging a pretty widely townread cyan in his position when he as scum would not feel threatened at all makes 0 sense. Being strongly opinionated seems like something that either alignment can do |
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Post by quojova on Jun 10, 2021 15:58:56 GMT
something like
penguin > vertigo > chaos > wallape > kliff
penguin is technically not a vote but it is contributing largely to my thoughts of wagon impurity
the thing is I don't think penguin + gary is very viable and I think penguin has very high scum equity
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Post by quojova on Jun 10, 2021 16:04:02 GMT
I don't really buy this tbh I think vertigo can make that push really easily as either alignment his incentive as scum would just be a desire to appear strongly opinionated why does he need to appear strongly opinionated, challenging a pretty widely townread cyan in his position when he as scum would not feel threatened at all makes 0 sense. Being strongly opinionated seems like something that either alignment can do my point is exactly yours; it can easily be done as either alignment scum push on widely townread people all the time tbh so I would not read into his alignment off that alone I think the manner in which he did it thought might be fairly townie specifically that he was so easily throwing out more things he thought made cyan mafia and was just really confident about it the entire time |
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Post by quojova on Jun 10, 2021 16:04:24 GMT
why does he need to appear strongly opinionated, challenging a pretty widely townread cyan in his position when he as scum would not feel threatened at all makes 0 sense. Being strongly opinionated seems like something that either alignment can do my point is exactly yours; it can easily be done as either alignment scum push on widely townread people all the time tbh so I would not read into his alignment off that alone I think the manner in which he did it thought might be fairly townie specifically that he was so easily throwing out more things he thought made cyan mafia and was just really confident about it the entire time though* |
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Post by kliff on Jun 10, 2021 16:16:31 GMT
The Last person I would think to kill SSR slot the 0 poster would be fort since they set an image of targeting lurkers. To kill the 0 poster rather then pursuing a mislynch is wouldn't be much in their favor. So maybe some town points there. there's like no way you actually believe this is there no one is ever going to sr fort for the lurker dying and fort is never going to expect that to happen Eh, Just another shit take |
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Post by wallape on Jun 10, 2021 16:23:46 GMT
a good portion of my reads get blown apart by the wifom factor attached to them which makes me angry
that being said i still don't think verti would do that
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? lmao