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Post by pkq on Jun 25, 2021 21:07:03 GMT
1. Since they are both sleans but one of them is probably town 2. Simple, i am null on all slots other than these two another i have a slight scumlean is terms of service their behavious is very weird 3. I have already explained Ddlcfan69 other than that there is the ddlc-centric behaviour of vertigo, i think maybe a town vertigo here would try to pressure more than one slot >i am null on all slots except 3 people and myself >19p game This right here could have been why scum was afraid of kaif. They probably think he had figure out who was scum or realize this will be a painful town the more this person stays alive.
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Post by pkq on Jun 25, 2021 21:09:50 GMT
if I was scum I'd kill scorr here cuz he's the only one trying. Step up ur gamessssss I am going to sl scorr for now because of this right here. If this statement kaif said is true then the reverse can be said because kaif seems like he is the only one that was really trying.
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Post by pkq on Jun 25, 2021 21:12:25 GMT
since there's like 24 hours to dl I'm comfortable enough to like expand and deepdive on more focused slots after some sleep; similar with the current issue; should be good in general I feel since this thread is somehow quite big blurb is 99.9% a goon for that entry in my head tho but all g This is the only thing I really have for litt and based of this I will be adding OM to sl list. Nothing litt wrote screams threat so I think he was just random kill or someone to kill to make me look scummy.
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Post by pkq on Jun 25, 2021 21:14:46 GMT
For all those people who are going to say well kaif scum read you. That was under the basis that I was lurking the whole time towards the end of the deadline, but in reality, I just had the mafia pro board website on a tab while I was making sure everything was ok from the power outage I had.
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Post by pkq on Jun 25, 2021 21:17:31 GMT
Anyways my reads atm are scorr and om and I will look into this later.
Can someone tell scorr username because I don't know lol
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Vertigo
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Post by Vertigo on Jun 25, 2021 21:21:11 GMT
scorrchingtheaph
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Post by passthesaltdude on Jun 25, 2021 21:38:52 GMT
Can you explain what exactly you don’t like about it, and what it means to you? The main point is that I don't like your reads, but that is not enough for me to scum read you Yes, but like why. What do you not like about them, give me a specific read i’ve given like “X is a sl and here’s why” and tell me why you don’t like it and what is wrong with it. I just haven’t seen you really back up this comment with anything of substance and i’d love to see more particular reasons why, and i’d love to see the relevance of it. Because a point you’ve consistently made is that you don’t like my reads; but you’ve never explained the relevance of that, and i’d love to see you elaborate on that!
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Post by passthesaltdude on Jun 25, 2021 21:45:18 GMT
Sorry, let me make this more clear. I believe that you are scum, because all of your posts have kind of just been nothing posts that don’t really expand on anything, and I haven’t seen you give any real concrete read this entire game. (Hence why I want you to elaborate on your read on me, because yesterday it kind of just felt like an OMGUS) And I really don’t think that you and ocean are both town, if anything you guys might both be scum. Because I refuse to believe that there were 5 town on a wagon of a town member. Plus, Kaif pushed you really hard yesterday before day end, and I don’t see any other reason why Kaif would’ve been NK, he was somewhat a divisive slot in the game and unless it was a fearkill I just feel like he just wasn’t a prominent slot Day 1. I'm curious about your thoughts on Wallape, Gary, Sheep, NewsDan, TOS, and Vertigo then. They were all on the wagon for MC yesterday and it would feel even more farfetched for 6 town to wagon on a town member than 5, so I'm curious what you think about that wagon. Ik you've already briefly touched on your thoughts about Gary and NewsDan, but I'd like your input on the other slots as well because rn I feel pretty sure that at least one of them had to be scum. Yeah i’ve touched on this a bit. One of Gary/ Newsdan is most likely to me to be scum for the reasons I stated earlier. Wallape is a really weird slot for me, I really didn’t like them early game, but at this point their seems to be so many other slots that are far more horrendous, that wallape has just faded in the background. And I feel like their lynch on vertigo was also weird because I can’t remember why they switched from Sheep to Vertigo, but it’s probably somewhere within that 20 page EOD, and i’ll have to look back on it. I’ve given my thoughts on Vertigo already, i’ve felt like Vertigo was town for a while now and that thought still stands. Sheep is a weird slot that is getting somewhat weirder. I still don’t know about their quickness to unlynch Vertigo after Verti claimed. But I feel like if sheep was scum they would’ve continued to push Verti anyways and TOS is a slot that to me isn’t important enough to deal with atm. I can’t tell if they are just bad town or scum because they are such a new player, my biggest hope is that they get subbed out, so I can get a better grasp on that slot.
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Post by pkq on Jun 25, 2021 22:58:55 GMT
NUCLEAR FALLOUTTimes are dire, and the depleting resources have caused an all out war between the major powers! Luckily for the residents of your city, the Mayor had invested into building an underground safehouse, safe from the radioactive nuclear warheads. But its not always so easy, is it? On the morning of the first day in the safehouse, the Mayor's dead body was found! There are traitors among us!! What will you do?? Murder in the Safehouse! a 19p Closed Setup by Sceptorus Start date: June 19, time 2pm EST Day and Night Lengths: 72 hour day phases for the first few, reduced to 48 hour when host sees fit. 24 hour night phases. Deadline Time: 2pm EST
Players:INDEX[/li] [li] Day 2[/li][/ul][/font][/font][/spoiler][/quote]Which one is scorr Vertigo
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Post by pkq on Jun 25, 2021 23:02:05 GMT
so your idea to kickstart the game was make a "fake" read to get a bunch of people to sr a player? I mean, I suppose its worked but still. Later, as the leader of the wagon what do you say? You can't just say "its just a prank, bro" and get off like you had no real read in the first place It wasn’t a fake read, it was something that I had felt at the time from the few lines you had given. It was never a read I fully pushed and I never encouraged anyone to lynch you. It was an observation based read that I expected people to make comments on wether it be for or against it. I never said the intent was to start a wagon, because it wasn’t, the intent was give my current game thoughts on certain slots and how I felt about them. Gary sums it up here
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Post by passthesaltdude on Jun 25, 2021 23:09:34 GMT
NUCLEAR FALLOUTTimes are dire, and the depleting resources have caused an all out war between the major powers! Luckily for the residents of your city, the Mayor had invested into building an underground safehouse, safe from the radioactive nuclear warheads. But its not always so easy, is it? On the morning of the first day in the safehouse, the Mayor's dead body was found! There are traitors among us!! What will you do?? Murder in the Safehouse! a 19p Closed Setup by Sceptorus Start date: June 19, time 2pm EST Day and Night Lengths: 72 hour day phases for the first few, reduced to 48 hour when host sees fit. 24 hour night phases. Deadline Time: 2pm EST
Players:INDEX[/li] [li] Day 2[/li][/ul][/font][/font][/spoiler][/quote]Which one is scorr Vertigo[/quote] It’s ?
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Post by passthesaltdude on Jun 25, 2021 23:12:43 GMT
It wasn’t a fake read, it was something that I had felt at the time from the few lines you had given. It was never a read I fully pushed and I never encouraged anyone to lynch you. It was an observation based read that I expected people to make comments on wether it be for or against it. I never said the intent was to start a wagon, because it wasn’t, the intent was give my current game thoughts on certain slots and how I felt about them. Gary sums it up here I’d love to see your thoughts on the Mighty Cannon wagon yesterday and each slot on that wagon! Same thing with your wagon yesterday.
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Post by passthesaltdude on Jun 25, 2021 23:24:10 GMT
For all those people who are going to say well kaif scum read you. That was under the basis that I was lurking the whole time towards the end of the deadline, but in reality, I just had the mafia pro board website on a tab while I was making sure everything was ok from the power outage I had. I don’t think that’s the only reason kaif SR you + Kaif hard pushed you not just sr you
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Post by passthesaltdude on Jun 25, 2021 23:31:23 GMT
since there's like 24 hours to dl I'm comfortable enough to like expand and deepdive on more focused slots after some sleep; similar with the current issue; should be good in general I feel since this thread is somehow quite big blurb is 99.9% a goon for that entry in my head tho but all g This is the only thing I really have for litt and based of this I will be adding OM to sl list. Nothing litt wrote screams threat so I think he was just random kill or someone to kill to make me look scummy. I don’t like either of your posts about fearkille because they feel like they are trying to take away from the idea that you fearkilled kaif. And both of your reasons feel very lazy. Like “Scorch killed kaif, because kaif mentioned scorch being the only one worthy of nightkill” is such weird logic that I truly want to believe that the only explanation is that you are scum and trying to come up with an alternate fearkill. Besides, not every nightkill has to be a fearkill!!! I think Litt was nightkilled, because Litt is just good at the game. And OM is not scum because Litt died. #1- I don’t see OM fear killing Litt in that scenario. #2- OM Is scum for an entirely different reason, not because of a weird fearkill.
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Post by NewsDan on Jun 25, 2021 23:42:45 GMT
OK back-- apologies for being afk the past 2 days. (this will be my last post on cannon unless specifically asked about it). I find it hard to take any information off that cannon lynch, simply because (and even Litt admitted this despite not being on him) at the point MC broke down, claiming 3 separate things in the span of 5 minutes, it was damn hard to take his slot seriously. The line between opportunists/town watching him implode was near-zero, and I know this because I was town watching him implode (obv if I were to flip scum, this argument is moot, but too bad I'm town). I couldn't blame anyone for voting him after I did because it was the sensible d1 thing to do IMO.
To the person who said my PKQ lynch was disingenuous, I'm not sure why considering I was the first person on them and was there because of a post I called out specifically earlier d1. As the King of Town, I was there to pressure, and the posts he made afterwards brought others on, so mission accomplished yw.
As for verti claim, it's too specific for me to not believe it ATM (there's nothing that says it is town-aligned, but if he was scum, why risk not claiming a weak pr d1, esp when it was proveable by anyone who targeted him). For now, a tl for my UGO friendo
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Post by Sheep★Go★Moo on Jun 25, 2021 23:57:03 GMT
I'm curious about your thoughts on Wallape, Gary, Sheep, NewsDan, TOS, and Vertigo then. They were all on the wagon for MC yesterday and it would feel even more farfetched for 6 town to wagon on a town member than 5, so I'm curious what you think about that wagon. Ik you've already briefly touched on your thoughts about Gary and NewsDan, but I'd like your input on the other slots as well because rn I feel pretty sure that at least one of them had to be scum. Yeah i’ve touched on this a bit. One of Gary/ Newsdan is most likely to me to be scum for the reasons I stated earlier. Wallape is a really weird slot for me, I really didn’t like them early game, but at this point their seems to be so many other slots that are far more horrendous, that wallape has just faded in the background. And I feel like their lynch on vertigo was also weird because I can’t remember why they switched from Sheep to Vertigo, but it’s probably somewhere within that 20 page EOD, and i’ll have to look back on it. I’ve given my thoughts on Vertigo already, i’ve felt like Vertigo was town for a while now and that thought still stands. Sheep is a weird slot that is getting somewhat weirder. I still don’t know about their quickness to unlynch Vertigo after Verti claimed. But I feel like if sheep was scum they would’ve continued to push Verti anyways and TOS is a slot that to me isn’t important enough to deal with atm. I can’t tell if they are just bad town or scum because they are such a new player, my biggest hope is that they get subbed out, so I can get a better grasp on that slot. I wasn’t quick to ul verti due to the claim, when I literally tl’ed them d1. I wasn’t pushing them periodt.
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Post by NewsDan on Jun 25, 2021 23:57:59 GMT
Onto new reads: PTSD has been a real odd character IMO. I started out tling them, but since then he's cast a relatively wide net of SRs (namely me, Gary, and PKQ) that, while none of them aren't at least somewhat valid (I'd argue except mine but I'm more focusing on the other two) feel somewhat forced to me-- like they're saying the right things, but without real scumhunting motivation in their tone (Idk maybe I'm crazy). Gut says if PKQ flips town, then PTSD may be someone to look at as an early aggressive slot. But at the same time, PTSD has been hunting enough that he's a valuable presence to the game, soooo basically I'm saying IDK.
He's right about PKQ tho, he's not handled pressure well and that DOES seem like a good fearkill moment for getting Kaif. Honestly I tr'd kaif and he had some good stuff going on IMO, but it was Litt that I thought was setting up to be a divisive presence.
I kinda ignored slots like Gary and Erry yday (too many people!!) but I def wanna hear more from gary than the 1 semi-useful post he's had today. Cmon gar, you're a mod, do things. As for Erry, his longpost on the big read posts was interesting, but the more I read it the less it makes sense. He then townreads the 2 dead townies and SRs the people who have already been SR'd. So Erry, q for you, what do you think about Snackers and Veteran?
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Post by erry on Jun 26, 2021 0:42:20 GMT
Onto new reads: PTSD has been a real odd character IMO. I started out tling them, but since then he's cast a relatively wide net of SRs (namely me, Gary, and PKQ) that, while none of them aren't at least somewhat valid (I'd argue except mine but I'm more focusing on the other two) feel somewhat forced to me-- like they're saying the right things, but without real scumhunting motivation in their tone (Idk maybe I'm crazy). Gut says if PKQ flips town, then PTSD may be someone to look at as an early aggressive slot. But at the same time, PTSD has been hunting enough that he's a valuable presence to the game, soooo basically I'm saying IDK. He's right about PKQ tho, he's not handled pressure well and that DOES seem like a good fearkill moment for getting Kaif. Honestly I tr'd kaif and he had some good stuff going on IMO, but it was Litt that I thought was setting up to be a divisive presence. I kinda ignored slots like Gary and Erry yday (too many people!!) but I def wanna hear more from gary than the 1 semi-useful post he's had today. Cmon gar, you're a mod, do things. As for Erry, his longpost on the big read posts was interesting, but the more I read it the less it makes sense. He then townreads the 2 dead townies and SRs the people who have already been SR'd. So Erry, q for you, what do you think about Snackers and Veteran? I can't tell much about Snackers rn, he was gone pretty much all of d1 and hasn't posted much d2 thus far, so I need a bit longer to read them properly. As for Veteran I'm slightly leaning scum rn, I haven't particularly seen them help much and when they posted their full group read post it just felt like an easy way to pad extra space and look like they were contributing more than they were since they largely just restated the same things as before. I didn't mention it earlier because I'm on the fence about them rn, I want to say their scum, but then that doesn't really mesh with the my view over the rest of the game, so they could potentially be 3rd party.
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Post by passthesaltdude on Jun 26, 2021 0:58:02 GMT
Yeah i’ve touched on this a bit. One of Gary/ Newsdan is most likely to me to be scum for the reasons I stated earlier. Wallape is a really weird slot for me, I really didn’t like them early game, but at this point their seems to be so many other slots that are far more horrendous, that wallape has just faded in the background. And I feel like their lynch on vertigo was also weird because I can’t remember why they switched from Sheep to Vertigo, but it’s probably somewhere within that 20 page EOD, and i’ll have to look back on it. I’ve given my thoughts on Vertigo already, i’ve felt like Vertigo was town for a while now and that thought still stands. Sheep is a weird slot that is getting somewhat weirder. I still don’t know about their quickness to unlynch Vertigo after Verti claimed. But I feel like if sheep was scum they would’ve continued to push Verti anyways and TOS is a slot that to me isn’t important enough to deal with atm. I can’t tell if they are just bad town or scum because they are such a new player, my biggest hope is that they get subbed out, so I can get a better grasp on that slot. I wasn’t quick to ul verti due to the claim, when I literally tl’ed them d1. I wasn’t pushing them periodt. I confused that Mighty for some reason (thinking that you were on mighty yesterday), sorry!
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Post by passthesaltdude on Jun 26, 2021 1:13:19 GMT
Onto new reads: PTSD has been a real odd character IMO. I started out tling them, but since then he's cast a relatively wide net of SRs (namely me, Gary, and PKQ) that, while none of them aren't at least somewhat valid (I'd argue except mine but I'm more focusing on the other two) feel somewhat forced to me-- like they're saying the right things, but without real scumhunting motivation in their tone (Idk maybe I'm crazy). Gut says if PKQ flips town, then PTSD may be someone to look at as an early aggressive slot. But at the same time, PTSD has been hunting enough that he's a valuable presence to the game, soooo basically I'm saying IDK. He's right about PKQ tho, he's not handled pressure well and that DOES seem like a good fearkill moment for getting Kaif. Honestly I tr'd kaif and he had some good stuff going on IMO, but it was Litt that I thought was setting up to be a divisive presence. I kinda ignored slots like Gary and Erry yday (too many people!!) but I def wanna hear more from gary than the 1 semi-useful post he's had today. Cmon gar, you're a mod, do things. As for Erry, his longpost on the big read posts was interesting, but the more I read it the less it makes sense. He then townreads the 2 dead townies and SRs the people who have already been SR'd. So Erry, q for you, what do you think about Snackers and Veteran? I want someone else to say their thoughts on this, because I can’t tell if I don’t like this post because it’s against me, or if the post is in fact just a bad post. Like it opens with saying that i’ve been a weird slot and that they originally TL me (which I assume implies that they don’t TL me anymore) and the reason is that- I have a wide net of SR and that even though I bring up valid points, my scumhunting doesn’t feel genuine. Which basically translates to- PTSD is acting like town, but I have a gut read that he isn’t. And if you have a gut read that’s fine, I have a gut read on gary (that’s mainly why i’m not pushing/ pursuing gary, cause it’s mainly just a gut read) but call it a gut read instead of trying to hide it in confusing wording. And at the end you do say i’m scumhunting and that i’m valuable to town. And it ends up just being nothing, that entire part could’ve just not existed and the game state wouldn’t have changed one bit. It just feels really off to me, especially since you never gave a real response to me when I responded to where you asked me what I would’ve done differently during EOD day 1. What makes it even weirder is that after saying that my scumhunting doesn’t have any real motivation, and using the example that I have too wide of a range of SR such as Gary and PKQ, you then go on to why you SR PKQ and Dislike gary’s slot. and it kind of makes me annoyed because you literally go “PTSD seems weird and the SR his made on slots like Gary and PKQ and Me are weird, also btw I sr PKQ and don’t like gary’s slot” It’s just like a weird way of trying to discredit my SR on you, because you talk about how my SR are weird and then continue on why you sr the exact slots I SR, besides really ever touching on my “Scumread” on you. Which before this moment I never really SR you, I just felt like that there had to be at least one scum on Mighty, and you were one of the weirder slots. Sorry but this is just genuinely aggravating, where you try and discredit my slot for 0 reason and then just summarize main points that my slot has been making for a while. Anyways those are just some of my reactions to this Newsdan post that is just so weird to me. And to me, Newsdan described his slot perfectly at the end of this post “ He then townreads the 2 dead townies and SRs the people who have already been” because that’s exactly what Newsdan has been doing
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Post by NewsDan on Jun 26, 2021 1:58:25 GMT
Onto new reads: PTSD has been a real odd character IMO. I started out tling them, but since then he's cast a relatively wide net of SRs (namely me, Gary, and PKQ) that, while none of them aren't at least somewhat valid (I'd argue except mine but I'm more focusing on the other two) feel somewhat forced to me-- like they're saying the right things, but without real scumhunting motivation in their tone (Idk maybe I'm crazy). Gut says if PKQ flips town, then PTSD may be someone to look at as an early aggressive slot. But at the same time, PTSD has been hunting enough that he's a valuable presence to the game, soooo basically I'm saying IDK. He's right about PKQ tho, he's not handled pressure well and that DOES seem like a good fearkill moment for getting Kaif. Honestly I tr'd kaif and he had some good stuff going on IMO, but it was Litt that I thought was setting up to be a divisive presence. I kinda ignored slots like Gary and Erry yday (too many people!!) but I def wanna hear more from gary than the 1 semi-useful post he's had today. Cmon gar, you're a mod, do things. As for Erry, his longpost on the big read posts was interesting, but the more I read it the less it makes sense. He then townreads the 2 dead townies and SRs the people who have already been SR'd. So Erry, q for you, what do you think about Snackers and Veteran? I want someone else to say their thoughts on this, because I can’t tell if I don’t like this post because it’s against me, or if the post is in fact just a bad post. Like it opens with saying that i’ve been a weird slot and that they originally TL me (which I assume implies that they don’t TL me anymore) and the reason is that- I have a wide net of SR and that even though I bring up valid points, my scumhunting doesn’t feel genuine. Which basically translates to- PTSD is acting like town, but I have a gut read that he isn’t. And if you have a gut read that’s fine, I have a gut read on gary (that’s mainly why i’m not pushing/ pursuing gary, cause it’s mainly just a gut read) but call it a gut read instead of trying to hide it in confusing wording. And at the end you do say i’m scumhunting and that i’m valuable to town. And it ends up just being nothing, that entire part could’ve just not existed and the game state wouldn’t have changed one bit. It just feels really off to me, especially since you never gave a real response to me when I responded to where you asked me what I would’ve done differently during EOD day 1. What makes it even weirder is that after saying that my scumhunting doesn’t have any real motivation, and using the example that I have too wide of a range of SR such as Gary and PKQ, you then go on to why you SR PKQ and Dislike gary’s slot. and it kind of makes me annoyed because you literally go “PTSD seems weird and the SR his made on slots like Gary and PKQ and Me are weird, also btw I sr PKQ and don’t like gary’s slot” It’s just like a weird way of trying to discredit my SR on you, because you talk about how my SR are weird and then continue on why you sr the exact slots I SR, besides really ever touching on my “Scumread” on you. Which before this moment I never really SR you, I just felt like that there had to be at least one scum on Mighty, and you were one of the weirder slots. Sorry but this is just genuinely aggravating, where you try and discredit my slot for 0 reason and then just summarize main points that my slot has been making for a while. Anyways those are just some of my reactions to this Newsdan post that is just so weird to me. And to me, Newsdan described his slot perfectly at the end of this post “ He then townreads the 2 dead townies and SRs the people who have already been” because that’s exactly what Newsdan has been doing Hi hun, so a few things-- I never meant to say anything more than my read being a gut read, I was trying to explain my gut read a bit, but no, it's not based in text. Sorry if you thought I was trying to hide it. Also, I ignored your read on me because I don't want to focus on it-- I said I disagree with it, but I wanted to focus more on the things that I could see in a more impartial light. Also also, how am I townreading dead townies/sring the regs-- I was the first on PKQ, I was pushing verti before pretty much anyone other than ddlc was, and I said in here that I was sus of litt. I tr'd kaif, but I said that pretty early d1, and I've given other town reads. Don't mischaracterize my position as a passive one, because while I ended yday on cannon vs verti, I was one of the people being active in that discussion.
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Post by NewsDan on Jun 26, 2021 2:00:04 GMT
Oh, and I wasn't trying to discredit your reads. I'm just saying what I'm thinking. Better for town to know my entire thought process, lay it all out yknow? As I said, I agree with your fearkill idea about pkq
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Post by NewsDan on Jun 26, 2021 2:03:20 GMT
And as part of my multi-message saga, yeah I didn't respond to what you said about not doing things differently eod. But that's b/c you didn't have anything for me to respond to. IDK if it's because eod was a "you had to be there" moment when cannon just spewed, and that it reads differently in hindsight, but following up on that was more of a way to defend the lynch, rather than attack you (remember, you made the OG post calling it out). Following that and defending an old lynch with the same language doesn't do much to advance the game. I'm happy to answer any questions about it you may have, but I'm fully of the opinion that nothing of the d1 wagonomics gets us anywhere at this point.
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Post by pkq on Jun 26, 2021 2:32:04 GMT
I’d love to see your thoughts on the Mighty Cannon wagon yesterday and each slot on that wagon! Same thing with your wagon yesterday. For mightycannon people has the reason but it is not enough to for me to scum read them. For me I was a counter wagon/cfd so it is what it is. The slots that was on me beside you was ocean and I think he just hop on the bandwagon so I am null at the moment. For the slots on mighty I am null until further notice.
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Post by pkq on Jun 26, 2021 2:32:53 GMT
For all those people who are going to say well kaif scum read you. That was under the basis that I was lurking the whole time towards the end of the deadline, but in reality, I just had the mafia pro board website on a tab while I was making sure everything was ok from the power outage I had. I don’t think that’s the only reason kaif SR you + Kaif hard pushed you not just sr you Because he saw that I was online and that started the wagon
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