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Post by passthesaltdude on Jun 26, 2021 2:48:04 GMT
I want someone else to say their thoughts on this, because I can’t tell if I don’t like this post because it’s against me, or if the post is in fact just a bad post. Like it opens with saying that i’ve been a weird slot and that they originally TL me (which I assume implies that they don’t TL me anymore) and the reason is that- I have a wide net of SR and that even though I bring up valid points, my scumhunting doesn’t feel genuine. Which basically translates to- PTSD is acting like town, but I have a gut read that he isn’t. And if you have a gut read that’s fine, I have a gut read on gary (that’s mainly why i’m not pushing/ pursuing gary, cause it’s mainly just a gut read) but call it a gut read instead of trying to hide it in confusing wording. And at the end you do say i’m scumhunting and that i’m valuable to town. And it ends up just being nothing, that entire part could’ve just not existed and the game state wouldn’t have changed one bit. It just feels really off to me, especially since you never gave a real response to me when I responded to where you asked me what I would’ve done differently during EOD day 1. What makes it even weirder is that after saying that my scumhunting doesn’t have any real motivation, and using the example that I have too wide of a range of SR such as Gary and PKQ, you then go on to why you SR PKQ and Dislike gary’s slot. and it kind of makes me annoyed because you literally go “PTSD seems weird and the SR his made on slots like Gary and PKQ and Me are weird, also btw I sr PKQ and don’t like gary’s slot” It’s just like a weird way of trying to discredit my SR on you, because you talk about how my SR are weird and then continue on why you sr the exact slots I SR, besides really ever touching on my “Scumread” on you. Which before this moment I never really SR you, I just felt like that there had to be at least one scum on Mighty, and you were one of the weirder slots. Sorry but this is just genuinely aggravating, where you try and discredit my slot for 0 reason and then just summarize main points that my slot has been making for a while. Anyways those are just some of my reactions to this Newsdan post that is just so weird to me. And to me, Newsdan described his slot perfectly at the end of this post “ He then townreads the 2 dead townies and SRs the people who have already been” because that’s exactly what Newsdan has been doing Hi hun, so a few things-- I never meant to say anything more than my read being a gut read, I was trying to explain my gut read a bit, but no, it's not based in text. Sorry if you thought I was trying to hide it. Also, I ignored your read on me because I don't want to focus on it-- I said I disagree with it, but I wanted to focus more on the things that I could see in a more impartial light. Also also, how am I townreading dead townies/sring the regs-- I was the first on PKQ, I was pushing verti before pretty much anyone other than ddlc was, and I said in here that I was sus of litt. I tr'd kaif, but I said that pretty early d1, and I've given other town reads. Don't mischaracterize my position as a passive one, because while I ended yday on cannon vs verti, I was one of the people being active in that discussion. Before I start this post, I do want to say that I actually really like your responses here, and I don’t really intend to push your slot much further, I just wanted further context to that post and that’s what I got! Now with that out of the way- I understand that your first little part was supposed to just be a gut read thing, but it just came across really weird because you essentially say that i’m doing everything right but my tone seems off. But I understand where you were coming from looking back on it. And I was kind of just trying to be funny in the last like. You aren’t TR all dead townies, but you were pretty vocal on your Kaif TR, and you have been SR slots like Mighty and PKQ with reasons that were already given. I’m not saying that’s a scum thing by any means, I just found it funny that the end of your post somewhat lined up with how I viewed you as well.
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Post by pkq on Jun 26, 2021 2:50:30 GMT
This is the only thing I really have for litt and based of this I will be adding OM to sl list. Nothing litt wrote screams threat so I think he was just random kill or someone to kill to make me look scummy. I don’t like either of your posts about fearkille because they feel like they are trying to take away from the idea that you fearkilled kaif. And both of your reasons feel very lazy. Like “Scorch killed kaif, because kaif mentioned scorch being the only one worthy of nightkill” is such weird logic that I truly want to believe that the only explanation is that you are scum and trying to come up with an alternate fearkill. Besides, not every nightkill has to be a fearkill!!! I think Litt was nightkilled, because Litt is just good at the game. And OM is not scum because Litt died. #1- I don’t see OM fear killing Litt in that scenario. #2- OM Is scum for an entirely different reason, not because of a weird fearkill. What I am saying is that the n1 kill is setup perfectly to make me seem like scum. At the fact that you and maybe others are stuck on I fearkill kaif just proves my point. I think this is just a free day to scum bs their way to another easy lynch. The whole thing with ? is that what if he was scum notice how everything was flowing, notice how kaif was trying to lead town, and decided to kill kaif because everyone will suspect me of doing it and he can get away of bsing town. I am not saying every nightkill is a fearkill, but from the people who died last night that is probably some of yall are thinking. If you believe that Litt was nightkill and not fearkill then why can't you say the same about kaif. Kaif seem pretty good at the game. The fact you don't see OM fearkill, but see me fearkilling kaif is hilarious because litt had a legit read on OM. On top of that if OM was really scum as you say then why wouldn't he killed the person who scum reads him the most. On top of that if OM is scum to you that means he kill kaif because you believed he didn't killed litt and that also brings down the argument that I kill kaif.
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Post by pkq on Jun 26, 2021 2:51:38 GMT
Onto new reads: PTSD has been a real odd character IMO. I started out tling them, but since then he's cast a relatively wide net of SRs (namely me, Gary, and PKQ) that, while none of them aren't at least somewhat valid (I'd argue except mine but I'm more focusing on the other two) feel somewhat forced to me-- like they're saying the right things, but without real scumhunting motivation in their tone (Idk maybe I'm crazy). Gut says if PKQ flips town, then PTSD may be someone to look at as an early aggressive slot. But at the same time, PTSD has been hunting enough that he's a valuable presence to the game, soooo basically I'm saying IDK. He's right about PKQ tho, he's not handled pressure well and that DOES seem like a good fearkill moment for getting Kaif. Honestly I tr'd kaif and he had some good stuff going on IMO, but it was Litt that I thought was setting up to be a divisive presence. I kinda ignored slots like Gary and Erry yday (too many people!!) but I def wanna hear more from gary than the 1 semi-useful post he's had today. Cmon gar, you're a mod, do things. As for Erry, his longpost on the big read posts was interesting, but the more I read it the less it makes sense. He then townreads the 2 dead townies and SRs the people who have already been SR'd. So Erry, q for you, what do you think about Snackers and Veteran? What pressure?
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Post by wallape on Jun 26, 2021 2:55:37 GMT
Idt i ever voted vertigo @ptsd pkq can u link me to one of ur town games?
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Post by pkq on Jun 26, 2021 2:56:37 GMT
1. quojova: Town lean. 2nd line in [.] feels like town quo along with other stuff 2. passthesaltdude: Probably town. Disagree with most of his takes, but seems like it comes from town pov. Gameplay different than when he is scum (more willing to say things such as scum reads) 3. Kaif: Neutral. Appears pro-town but nothing a scum!Kaif couldn't pull off 4. Veteran Padgett: Can't tell. Not enough breadcrumbs to piece together 5. ddlcfan69: Town lean. Gut 6. Sheep★Go★Moo: Town lean. Hard to understand what is going on in their head 7. Gary The Savage: Slight town lean. Doesn't seem to be dishonest, but has not done much to advance gamestate. 8. termsofservice: Can't tell. Would guess Jester if bastard roles weren't confirmed non-existent. 9. Ocean: Town lean. Gut 10. Vertigo: Scum. He is sus like the imposter from the popular game among us. 11. erry: Town. Very obv (excuse for being too lazy to write complicated explanation) 12. snackers: Gone 13. mightycannon: Might as well be gone. 14. blurb: Gone. eblurb if u r reading this u r motogp 16. wallape: Town. Highly doubt that scum fabricates such a convoluted thought process. 17. NewsDan: Town lean. Gut+ 18. Brady1014: Gone 19. pkq: Scum lean. Immediate iioa (real iioa as opposed to sheeps' definition) when they entered the game and pretty much avoids everything else. I would like to know your update reads please
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Post by passthesaltdude on Jun 26, 2021 2:56:57 GMT
I don’t like either of your posts about fearkille because they feel like they are trying to take away from the idea that you fearkilled kaif. And both of your reasons feel very lazy. Like “Scorch killed kaif, because kaif mentioned scorch being the only one worthy of nightkill” is such weird logic that I truly want to believe that the only explanation is that you are scum and trying to come up with an alternate fearkill. Besides, not every nightkill has to be a fearkill!!! I think Litt was nightkilled, because Litt is just good at the game. And OM is not scum because Litt died. #1- I don’t see OM fear killing Litt in that scenario. #2- OM Is scum for an entirely different reason, not because of a weird fearkill. What I am saying is that the n1 kill is setup perfectly to make me seem like scum. At the fact that you and maybe others are stuck on I fearkill kaif just proves my point. I think this is just a free day to scum bs their way to another easy lynch. The whole thing with ? is that what if he was scum notice how everything was flowing, notice how kaif was trying to lead town, and decided to kill kaif because everyone will suspect me of doing it and he can get away of bsing town. I am not saying every nightkill is a fearkill, but from the people who died last night that is probably some of yall are thinking. If you believe that Litt was nightkill and not fearkill then why can't you say the same about kaif. Kaif seem pretty good at the game. The fact you don't see OM fearkill, but see me fearkilling kaif is hilarious because litt had a legit read on OM. On top of that if OM was really scum as you say then why wouldn't he killed the person who scum reads him the most. On top of that if OM is scum to you that means he kill kaif because you believed he didn't killed litt and that also brings down the argument that I kill kaif. I know this is off topic, but this post physically hurt to read. I struggled with this for a while too, and i’m still pretty bad at it, but sometimes it helps to break up your posts by just putting spaces between some of your paragraphs/points, so it isn’t just one big run on post. Kind of like this, otherwise it’s just really hard to read and get any information out of this.
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Post by passthesaltdude on Jun 26, 2021 2:57:25 GMT
Idt i ever voted vertigo @ptsd pkq can u link me to one of ur town games? PKQ has only had town games, I just recently checked
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Post by pkq on Jun 26, 2021 2:57:29 GMT
Idt i ever voted vertigo @ptsd pkq can u link me to one of ur town games? In Game 2 of Invasion of the lich I was town
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Post by passthesaltdude on Jun 26, 2021 2:59:08 GMT
Idt i ever voted vertigo @ptsd pkq can u link me to one of ur town games? I meant mighty sorry* My brain wasn’t working when I made that post and I kept swapping the names of Vertigo and Mighty
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Post by pkq on Jun 26, 2021 3:00:01 GMT
What I am saying is that the n1 kill is setup perfectly to make me seem like scum. At the fact that you and maybe others are stuck on I fearkill kaif just proves my point. I think this is just a free day to scum bs their way to another easy lynch. The whole thing with ? is that what if he was scum notice how everything was flowing, notice how kaif was trying to lead town, and decided to kill kaif because everyone will suspect me of doing it and he can get away of bsing town. I am not saying every nightkill is a fearkill, but from the people who died last night that is probably some of yall are thinking. If you believe that Litt was nightkill and not fearkill then why can't you say the same about kaif. Kaif seem pretty good at the game. The fact you don't see OM fearkill, but see me fearkilling kaif is hilarious because litt had a legit read on OM. On top of that if OM was really scum as you say then why wouldn't he killed the person who scum reads him the most. On top of that if OM is scum to you that means he kill kaif because you believed he didn't killed litt and that also brings down the argument that I kill kaif. I know this is off topic, but this post physically hurt to read. I struggled with this for a while too, and i’m still pretty bad at it, but sometimes it helps to break up your posts by just putting spaces between some of your paragraphs/points, so it isn’t just one big run on post. Kind of like this, otherwise it’s just really hard to read and get any information out of this. Ok my bad
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Post by passthesaltdude on Jun 26, 2021 3:00:58 GMT
I know this is off topic, but this post physically hurt to read. I struggled with this for a while too, and i’m still pretty bad at it, but sometimes it helps to break up your posts by just putting spaces between some of your paragraphs/points, so it isn’t just one big run on post. Kind of like this, otherwise it’s just really hard to read and get any information out of this. Ok my bad I didn’t mean to come across as rude or anything! It’s just a bit of advice that might come in handy later down the road!
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Post by passthesaltdude on Jun 26, 2021 3:09:56 GMT
I’d love to see your thoughts on the Mighty Cannon wagon yesterday and each slot on that wagon! Same thing with your wagon yesterday. For mightycannon people has the reason but it is not enough to for me to scum read them. For me I was a counter wagon/cfd so it is what it is. The slots that was on me beside you was ocean and I think he just hop on the bandwagon so I am null at the moment. For the slots on mighty I am null until further notice. unvote Ocean, Vote PKQOcean still isn’t here, so there’s no point in resting on that slot atm. I kept asking PKQ to elaborate on their posts about my slot, mainly hoping they’d give something original, and when they responded basically saying that Gary already had done a perfect job of summing it up, it felt really lazy. Especially they had taken everything that was from like 10 page and before. And seeing their response to this just kind of confirms to me that PKQ just hasn’t made any original read or any concrete read either. But what really sets off alarms in my head is this particular response. Because after asking them about the 2 major wagons which had 11 people voting and 2 people being voted, they said they were null on all of it. Which means that you are null on 13 full slots. And what bugs me about that is that there is so much to dissect from those two wagons! I just feel like town would’ve had at least something to say about it. Like I can see a world where bad town might not have much to say either, but PKQ has been playing mafia for a while, and when you see two major wagons where one of the wagon has a confirmed 3 town players on it, not having anything to say seems super suspicious. Like there should be 0 excuse for being null on all of that. The only 2 excuses are either A: You are scum, or B: You are town and you have not read any single part of the game that has not mentioned you
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Post by passthesaltdude on Jun 26, 2021 3:11:24 GMT
1. quojova: Town lean. 2nd line in [.] feels like town quo along with other stuff 2. passthesaltdude: Probably town. Disagree with most of his takes, but seems like it comes from town pov. Gameplay different than when he is scum (more willing to say things such as scum reads) 3. Kaif: Neutral. Appears pro-town but nothing a scum!Kaif couldn't pull off 4. Veteran Padgett: Can't tell. Not enough breadcrumbs to piece together 5. ddlcfan69: Town lean. Gut 6. Sheep★Go★Moo: Town lean. Hard to understand what is going on in their head 7. Gary The Savage: Slight town lean. Doesn't seem to be dishonest, but has not done much to advance gamestate. 8. termsofservice: Can't tell. Would guess Jester if bastard roles weren't confirmed non-existent. 9. Ocean: Town lean. Gut 10. Vertigo: Scum. He is sus like the imposter from the popular game among us. 11. erry: Town. Very obv (excuse for being too lazy to write complicated explanation) 12. snackers: Gone 13. mightycannon: Might as well be gone. 14. blurb: Gone. eblurb if u r reading this u r motogp 16. wallape: Town. Highly doubt that scum fabricates such a convoluted thought process. 17. NewsDan: Town lean. Gut+ 18. Brady1014: Gone 19. pkq: Scum lean. Immediate iioa (real iioa as opposed to sheeps' definition) when they entered the game and pretty much avoids everything else. I would like to know your update reads please Curious, if ? is scum, who are their partners?
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Post by pkq on Jun 26, 2021 3:16:33 GMT
For mightycannon people has the reason but it is not enough to for me to scum read them. For me I was a counter wagon/cfd so it is what it is. The slots that was on me beside you was ocean and I think he just hop on the bandwagon so I am null at the moment. For the slots on mighty I am null until further notice. unvote Ocean, Vote PKQOcean still isn’t here, so there’s no point in resting on that slot atm. I kept asking PKQ to elaborate on their posts about my slot, mainly hoping they’d give something original, and when they responded basically saying that Gary already had done a perfect job of summing it up, it felt really lazy. Especially they had taken everything that was from like 10 page and before. And seeing their response to this just kind of confirms to me that PKQ just hasn’t made any original read or any concrete read either. But what really sets off alarms in my head is this particular response. Because after asking them about the 2 major wagons which had 11 people voting and 2 people being voted, they said they were null on all of it. Which means that you are null on 13 full slots. And what bugs me about that is that there is so much to dissect from those two wagons! I just feel like town would’ve had at least something to say about it. Like I can see a world where bad town might not have much to say either, but PKQ has been playing mafia for a while, and when you see two major wagons where one of the wagon has a confirmed 3 town players on it, not having anything to say seems super suspicious. Like there should be 0 excuse for being null on all of that. The only 2 excuses are either A: You are scum, or B: You are town and you have not read any single part of the game that has not mentioned you Pleyer meta is crazy right now. All I am going to say is when I am convince someone is scum they I will go from there. At this point I am not convince anyone here is strongly scum so until then I will remain null/scum lead as I see fit. BTW your slot was never that serious. I just wanted used a vote and since I didn't want to rvs I just want to vote someone that didn't seem right with me when I read your iso. Also, since you have all the answers what are your scum reads?
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Post by pkq on Jun 26, 2021 3:17:19 GMT
I would like to know your update reads please Curious, if ? is scum, who are their partners? What to say he is not solo? hmmmm
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Post by passthesaltdude on Jun 26, 2021 3:54:44 GMT
unvote Ocean, Vote PKQOcean still isn’t here, so there’s no point in resting on that slot atm. I kept asking PKQ to elaborate on their posts about my slot, mainly hoping they’d give something original, and when they responded basically saying that Gary already had done a perfect job of summing it up, it felt really lazy. Especially they had taken everything that was from like 10 page and before. And seeing their response to this just kind of confirms to me that PKQ just hasn’t made any original read or any concrete read either. But what really sets off alarms in my head is this particular response. Because after asking them about the 2 major wagons which had 11 people voting and 2 people being voted, they said they were null on all of it. Which means that you are null on 13 full slots. And what bugs me about that is that there is so much to dissect from those two wagons! I just feel like town would’ve had at least something to say about it. Like I can see a world where bad town might not have much to say either, but PKQ has been playing mafia for a while, and when you see two major wagons where one of the wagon has a confirmed 3 town players on it, not having anything to say seems super suspicious. Like there should be 0 excuse for being null on all of that. The only 2 excuses are either A: You are scum, or B: You are town and you have not read any single part of the game that has not mentioned you Pleyer meta is crazy right now. All I am going to say is when I am convince someone is scum they I will go from there. At this point I am not convince anyone here is strongly scum so until then I will remain null/scum lead as I see fit. BTW your slot was never that serious. I just wanted used a vote and since I didn't want to rvs I just want to vote someone that didn't seem right with me when I read your iso. Also, since you have all the answers what are your scum reads? I’ve been giving a lot of my scum reads today. Mainly it’s you and ocean atm since I refuse to believe that is a 100% town wagon
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Post by passthesaltdude on Jun 26, 2021 3:56:31 GMT
Curious, if ? is scum, who are their partners? What to say he is not solo? hmmmm I’m fully convinced you are solo scum and nothing can change my mind. Aside from that, are you saying that you believe Scorch/ ? is solo scum because if so, what makes Scorch stand out as solo scum and not as mafia
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Post by pkq on Jun 26, 2021 6:19:13 GMT
What to say he is not solo? hmmmm I’m fully convinced you are solo scum and nothing can change my mind. Aside from that, are you saying that you believe Scorch/ ? is solo scum because if so, what makes Scorch stand out as solo scum and not as mafia I just saying he could be anything
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Post by Veteran Padgett on Jun 26, 2021 6:44:33 GMT
Sheep will give some reads later Bump
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Post by Veteran Padgett on Jun 26, 2021 6:59:39 GMT
The full group read posts also prove this even better imo because while the first one seems actually kinda helpful to get insight into what someone was thinking about the player base the next few just kept feeling more and more like copies of the previous posts with very slight variations to make them seem unique. Like if we look at Padgett's post, which was the most recent one, we can see that PTSD is read as town because of how they've pushed for more discussion, I'm null because I have reads that seem towny but I'm mostly inactive, and PKQ is scum because they don't post much and mostly only post the same few things. Now if we look at the previous full group post we'll see that Wallape read PTSD as town because he's been starting discussions to generate helpful content, I'm read as town lean but only based on a gut read without much more info on me, and PKQ is scum because they've been playing passive and haven't read much. This could just be a coincidence though that Veteran followed very similar logic as Wallape did in their full group post, so let's go back to the post before that, Scorr's post, and look at their reads for those three slots. Scorr read PTSD as town because his intent seems like town trying to push the game forward (also note that Scorr had said they disagree with PTSD's posts despite it coming off as towny, which is also something Wallape said), Scorr read me as town but didn't really specify why (Claimed it as being too lazy to explain, something similar happened with Wallape where they made the same claim against me and didn't say anything to back it up really, other than a "gut read" that is), and then they read PKQ as scum for iioa and being passive (Which were also the first two reasonings Wallape had mentioned in his reads). Also its not just the reads on PTSD, PKQ, and I, a lot of the full group reads have felt shockingly like this to me thus far. Now I want to specify that I'm not trying to say that people are particularly scummy or anything because they're following others or that the only thing they're doing is following others, saying that earlier was an exaggeration, these people are still giving their own thoughts on matters. Like if you look at Scorr's read post and Wallape's they look very similar and if you look at Wallape's and Veteran's then there is also a pretty clear connection, but if you look at Scorr's post and Veteran's post they don't actually look that similar because the reads, while following a similar line of thought, had their own unique thoughts added in each time as well to shift the reasonings. The main reason I'm bringing it up anyway is because imo it does feel like people are having unique viewpoints on things, but that their only arriving there because they're continuing to tunnel anyone that someone, with even just one good point, calls out for any reason. Not sure what point this is trying to get across. You say that Wallape, Scorr, and I have similar reads but cherry picked PTSD as probably the most widely read town and yourself and pkq as somewhat inactive slots until now. Even if we were to have the exact same reads though then what would that say about us alignment-wise? I'd like to hear your thoughts on the active players as well as what you think of tos lack of activity today since it seemed like you were going after tos yesterday.
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Post by Veteran Padgett on Jun 26, 2021 7:09:20 GMT
pkq if kaif was killed for being a good player then why is scorr the only person that could think that? Who would you read as scum disregarding the night kills?
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Post by erry on Jun 26, 2021 7:20:32 GMT
The full group read posts also prove this even better imo because while the first one seems actually kinda helpful to get insight into what someone was thinking about the player base the next few just kept feeling more and more like copies of the previous posts with very slight variations to make them seem unique. Like if we look at Padgett's post, which was the most recent one, we can see that PTSD is read as town because of how they've pushed for more discussion, I'm null because I have reads that seem towny but I'm mostly inactive, and PKQ is scum because they don't post much and mostly only post the same few things. Now if we look at the previous full group post we'll see that Wallape read PTSD as town because he's been starting discussions to generate helpful content, I'm read as town lean but only based on a gut read without much more info on me, and PKQ is scum because they've been playing passive and haven't read much. This could just be a coincidence though that Veteran followed very similar logic as Wallape did in their full group post, so let's go back to the post before that, Scorr's post, and look at their reads for those three slots. Scorr read PTSD as town because his intent seems like town trying to push the game forward (also note that Scorr had said they disagree with PTSD's posts despite it coming off as towny, which is also something Wallape said), Scorr read me as town but didn't really specify why (Claimed it as being too lazy to explain, something similar happened with Wallape where they made the same claim against me and didn't say anything to back it up really, other than a "gut read" that is), and then they read PKQ as scum for iioa and being passive (Which were also the first two reasonings Wallape had mentioned in his reads). Also its not just the reads on PTSD, PKQ, and I, a lot of the full group reads have felt shockingly like this to me thus far. Now I want to specify that I'm not trying to say that people are particularly scummy or anything because they're following others or that the only thing they're doing is following others, saying that earlier was an exaggeration, these people are still giving their own thoughts on matters. Like if you look at Scorr's read post and Wallape's they look very similar and if you look at Wallape's and Veteran's then there is also a pretty clear connection, but if you look at Scorr's post and Veteran's post they don't actually look that similar because the reads, while following a similar line of thought, had their own unique thoughts added in each time as well to shift the reasonings. The main reason I'm bringing it up anyway is because imo it does feel like people are having unique viewpoints on things, but that their only arriving there because they're continuing to tunnel anyone that someone, with even just one good point, calls out for any reason. Not sure what point this is trying to get across. You say that Wallape, Scorr, and I have similar reads but cherry picked PTSD as probably the most widely read town and yourself and pkq as somewhat inactive slots until now. Even if we were to have the exact same reads though then what would that say about us alignment-wise? I'd like to hear your thoughts on the active players as well as what you think of tos lack of activity today since it seemed like you were going after tos yesterday. Firstly you asked my point in that post, the point was mostly just to give background on why I was voting Sheep at the time and also explain a behavior that I've been noticing that hasn't seemed particularly helpful to us thus far in hopes that people deviate more from it and contribute more as a result. I wasn't attempting to cherry pick, I just used the 3 most obvious examples that seemed relevant at the time, as I had gone on to say it wasn't exclusive to those 3 slots though and felt largely spread through out almost all of the slots. It was already kinda long though with explaining the 3 slots, so I didn't see a point to drone on when that should be enough to get the general gist of things.
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Post by erry on Jun 26, 2021 7:26:48 GMT
The full group read posts also prove this even better imo because while the first one seems actually kinda helpful to get insight into what someone was thinking about the player base the next few just kept feeling more and more like copies of the previous posts with very slight variations to make them seem unique. Like if we look at Padgett's post, which was the most recent one, we can see that PTSD is read as town because of how they've pushed for more discussion, I'm null because I have reads that seem towny but I'm mostly inactive, and PKQ is scum because they don't post much and mostly only post the same few things. Now if we look at the previous full group post we'll see that Wallape read PTSD as town because he's been starting discussions to generate helpful content, I'm read as town lean but only based on a gut read without much more info on me, and PKQ is scum because they've been playing passive and haven't read much. This could just be a coincidence though that Veteran followed very similar logic as Wallape did in their full group post, so let's go back to the post before that, Scorr's post, and look at their reads for those three slots. Scorr read PTSD as town because his intent seems like town trying to push the game forward (also note that Scorr had said they disagree with PTSD's posts despite it coming off as towny, which is also something Wallape said), Scorr read me as town but didn't really specify why (Claimed it as being too lazy to explain, something similar happened with Wallape where they made the same claim against me and didn't say anything to back it up really, other than a "gut read" that is), and then they read PKQ as scum for iioa and being passive (Which were also the first two reasonings Wallape had mentioned in his reads). Also its not just the reads on PTSD, PKQ, and I, a lot of the full group reads have felt shockingly like this to me thus far. Now I want to specify that I'm not trying to say that people are particularly scummy or anything because they're following others or that the only thing they're doing is following others, saying that earlier was an exaggeration, these people are still giving their own thoughts on matters. Like if you look at Scorr's read post and Wallape's they look very similar and if you look at Wallape's and Veteran's then there is also a pretty clear connection, but if you look at Scorr's post and Veteran's post they don't actually look that similar because the reads, while following a similar line of thought, had their own unique thoughts added in each time as well to shift the reasonings. The main reason I'm bringing it up anyway is because imo it does feel like people are having unique viewpoints on things, but that their only arriving there because they're continuing to tunnel anyone that someone, with even just one good point, calls out for any reason. Not sure what point this is trying to get across. You say that Wallape, Scorr, and I have similar reads but cherry picked PTSD as probably the most widely read town and yourself and pkq as somewhat inactive slots until now. Even if we were to have the exact same reads though then what would that say about us alignment-wise? I'd like to hear your thoughts on the active players as well as what you think of tos lack of activity today since it seemed like you were going after tos yesterday. As for TOS I'm actually feeling a lot better about them today. Initially I voted for them because they seemed very sporadic and imo voting them there was beneficial for town regardless of if they were scum or not because in a best case scenario we got scum out, but even in the absolute worst case scenario we got a towny out who was likely to generate chaos and be harmful to town as a result. I really wish I was here eod yesterday because I would've changed my vote off of them for sure. They seemed to actually start contributing at eod and it was definitely a welcome change to say the least, but more than anything it didn't feel like they had done it in response to any pressure or other outside factors for that matter, it just felt like they were genuinely trying to contribute. I'm not saying I tl them by any means, still pretty far from it tbh, but I feel a lot more comfortable about their slot now and am willing to give them a bigger chance than I originally had if we see these new contributions persist from them. On that note though their activity has taken a sudden drop today, so I'll need to wait longer to see if they do continue with their contributions. If I don't see much happen in that regard in the next 24 hours or so then I may end up switching back to original view of them, for now all I can do is wait and see how the next day or so goes.
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Post by erry on Jun 26, 2021 7:39:53 GMT
The full group read posts also prove this even better imo because while the first one seems actually kinda helpful to get insight into what someone was thinking about the player base the next few just kept feeling more and more like copies of the previous posts with very slight variations to make them seem unique. Like if we look at Padgett's post, which was the most recent one, we can see that PTSD is read as town because of how they've pushed for more discussion, I'm null because I have reads that seem towny but I'm mostly inactive, and PKQ is scum because they don't post much and mostly only post the same few things. Now if we look at the previous full group post we'll see that Wallape read PTSD as town because he's been starting discussions to generate helpful content, I'm read as town lean but only based on a gut read without much more info on me, and PKQ is scum because they've been playing passive and haven't read much. This could just be a coincidence though that Veteran followed very similar logic as Wallape did in their full group post, so let's go back to the post before that, Scorr's post, and look at their reads for those three slots. Scorr read PTSD as town because his intent seems like town trying to push the game forward (also note that Scorr had said they disagree with PTSD's posts despite it coming off as towny, which is also something Wallape said), Scorr read me as town but didn't really specify why (Claimed it as being too lazy to explain, something similar happened with Wallape where they made the same claim against me and didn't say anything to back it up really, other than a "gut read" that is), and then they read PKQ as scum for iioa and being passive (Which were also the first two reasonings Wallape had mentioned in his reads). Also its not just the reads on PTSD, PKQ, and I, a lot of the full group reads have felt shockingly like this to me thus far. Now I want to specify that I'm not trying to say that people are particularly scummy or anything because they're following others or that the only thing they're doing is following others, saying that earlier was an exaggeration, these people are still giving their own thoughts on matters. Like if you look at Scorr's read post and Wallape's they look very similar and if you look at Wallape's and Veteran's then there is also a pretty clear connection, but if you look at Scorr's post and Veteran's post they don't actually look that similar because the reads, while following a similar line of thought, had their own unique thoughts added in each time as well to shift the reasonings. The main reason I'm bringing it up anyway is because imo it does feel like people are having unique viewpoints on things, but that their only arriving there because they're continuing to tunnel anyone that someone, with even just one good point, calls out for any reason. Not sure what point this is trying to get across. You say that Wallape, Scorr, and I have similar reads but cherry picked PTSD as probably the most widely read town and yourself and pkq as somewhat inactive slots until now. Even if we were to have the exact same reads though then what would that say about us alignment-wise? I'd like to hear your thoughts on the active players as well as what you think of tos lack of activity today since it seemed like you were going after tos yesterday. rn the only slots I'd really call "active" are PTSD and PKQ, maybe I could also rope NewsDan and Vertigo in there, but even then that begins to feel like a grey area and in any sense I've given my opinions on all of them today already anyway except for Vertigo, so I'll just read them for now. I feel like Vertigo is tl tbh. Another reason I really wished I was there eod yesterday was because I honestly think both ddlc and Vert are town and when I finally got to read through it all it felt like a lot of pointless circles that never really got anywhere, I don't even fully understand what either party was being accused of in the first place, it just started to feel more like people wanted to see one of them as scum the longer the whole debate went on. This was also another reason I had voted TOS early on, I genuinely don't think we would've gotten anything from lynching either of those slots but I actually saw reason behind lynching TOS, so I tried to direct focus to them early on in the debate to no success and then things spiraled out of control further and further. I still maintain that same feeling about ddlc and Vert, that both of them are town, and unless I see something really hard then I'm not sure I'll change from my position on that. The whole argument in general just felt towny to me on both sides anyway, so its only made me feel better about both of them.
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Post by Sheep★Go★Moo on Jun 26, 2021 11:42:50 GMT
I wasn’t quick to ul verti due to the claim, when I literally tl’ed them d1. I wasn’t pushing them periodt. I confused that Mighty for some reason (thinking that you were on mighty yesterday), sorry! I was on mighty yesterday, it's just that I was never on Vertigo yesterday. Unrelated to this post I'm gonna wallpost some reads.
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