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Post by erry on Jul 27, 2022 22:12:48 GMT
quick nka attempt tells me that ddlcfan69 was killed because they were against the martin wagon and pushed pkq in its place puts some pressure on pkq especially since someone who would've counterwagoned them in d1 would also probably be wagoning them d2 it's blatant enough that pkq being framed is worth considering, but nonetheless i think we should expect scum to be trying to remove pressure from that slot given the rather low-radar nature of the kill Also I want to give my thoughts on what could have been scum game plan with these nightkills after looking at day 1 again. I could be wrong I think both fraction had different game plan on approaching day 2. One fraction wanted to kill the most productive town player in the game to hinder town chances of success while the other one wants everybody focus on a certain player. With this is mind I won't be surprised if Cyan Talon and Dkkoba are targeted for night 2 kills. Looking through these lens who benefits from strong town players being gone knowing they can take over at any reasonable time. This leads me to believe that one of the scum player is OM. In my theory he fits perfectly in this category. Now the second one has a bigger pool but in falls in the line of (John, xdrudi, bubida, zach, and erry). I believe at least one of these people especially the one watching the deadline on day 1 want to keep people off their backs for now because of what they did could be perceive as scummy. At this point though I want to focus my attention on OM if we can, but leaving this not pressure will be bad for town. The NK on Fort made a lot of sense, but I've been really confused about the kill on DDLC, from a scum perspective I feel like Koba would've been a much more obvious kill. I'm starting to think that that was part of the reasoning behind the DDLC kill though. The best scenario for scum would be to hit as many town as possible, with two factions in this they have the potential to get two kills per night, however, if both factions shot the same slot then obviously it wouldn't be optimal for them. Because of this I believe one faction went with a fairly direct kill, being Fort, and the other went with a much less obvious kill so that they wouldn't end up doubling up in shooting major slots like Koba or Fort. Reading back through DDLC's iso, over half of their posts were just jokes and when they did finally hop on PKQ they didn't provide any reasoning to back it up really. Despite this DDLC is a usually a very good player from my experience with them, so it would make sense why scum would want to through out a slot that's both low radar, due to my previously explained reasoning, but also has the potential to be a threat to them. Its because of this that I honestly don't think PKQ is related whatsoever to the DDLC's death here, its more like PKQ was in the wrong place at the wrong time. That's not to say PKQ isn't scum, not by any means, but it is to say that pushing them over DDLC's death here is a lazy line of logic imo when there's so many more angles you could view that death from and so much more information you could likely get out of it because of that. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- While I'm here I'm also gonna post my town reads and scum reads: Town: DkKoba - I'm gonna be honest, I really hate how they play, but they also seem the most genuine player by far of anyone in this game Cyan - They don't feel like they're playing how they did as scum in NOC Game 2, they feel less like they're trying to look towny and more like they're just playing the game here PKQ - I am going to townread this for the time being, this could flip on a dime so its by far the least solid of my townreads, but with how they feel very towny to me with how well they've handled pressure to day and given post above I don't believe they're all that scummy for the reasons people have been pushing anyway Scum: mmib - This slot feels so bland, its like they're trying so hard to look towny but not actually doing anything, I'd love to see a lot more from this slot and can honestly see them becoming a townread later, but I can't in good conscious do that until I see results xdrudi - This slot has a total of four posts, including one where they lazily jumped on the Martin vote midday and proceeded to add nothing to the vote or other votes for that matter. Also reading through their posts, albeit limited, they feel like the kind of careful player that would be more than all for the kind of scum kill like the one I explained could've happened with DDLC. Vote xdrudi |
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Post by erry on Jul 27, 2022 22:16:56 GMT
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Post by dkkoba on Jul 27, 2022 22:23:50 GMT
quick nka attempt tells me that ddlcfan69 was killed because they were against the martin wagon and pushed pkq in its place puts some pressure on pkq especially since someone who would've counterwagoned them in d1 would also probably be wagoning them d2 it's blatant enough that pkq being framed is worth considering, but nonetheless i think we should expect scum to be trying to remove pressure from that slot given the rather low-radar nature of the kill Also I want to give my thoughts on what could have been scum game plan with these nightkills after looking at day 1 again. I could be wrong I think both fraction had different game plan on approaching day 2. One fraction wanted to kill the most productive town player in the game to hinder town chances of success while the other one wants everybody focus on a certain player. With this is mind I won't be surprised if Cyan Talon and Dkkoba are targeted for night 2 kills. Looking through these lens who benefits from strong town players being gone knowing they can take over at any reasonable time. This leads me to believe that one of the scum player is OM. In my theory he fits perfectly in this category. Now the second one has a bigger pool but in falls in the line of (John, xdrudi, bubida, zach, and erry). I believe at least one of these people especially the one watching the deadline on day 1 want to keep people off their backs for now because of what they did could be perceive as scummy. At this point though I want to focus my attention on OM if we can, but leaving this not pressure will be bad for town. The NK on Fort made a lot of sense, but I've been really confused about the kill on DDLC, from a scum perspective I feel like Koba would've been a much more obvious kill. I'm starting to think that that was part of the reasoning behind the DDLC kill though. The best scenario for scum would be to hit as many town as possible, with two factions in this they have the potential to get two kills per night, however, if both factions shot the same slot then obviously it wouldn't be optimal for them. Because of this I believe one faction went with a fairly direct kill, being Fort, and the other went with a much less obvious kill so that they wouldn't end up doubling up in shooting major slots like Koba or Fort. Reading back through DDLC's iso, over half of their posts were just jokes and when they did finally hop on PKQ they didn't provide any reasoning to back it up really. Despite this DDLC is a usually a very good player from my experience with them, so it would make sense why scum would want to through out a slot that's both low radar, due to my previously explained reasoning, but also has the potential to be a threat to them. Its because of this that I honestly don't think PKQ is related whatsoever to the DDLC's death here, its more like PKQ was in the wrong place at the wrong time. That's not to say PKQ isn't scum, not by any means, but it is to say that pushing them over DDLC's death here is a lazy line of logic imo when there's so many more angles you could view that death from and so much more information you could likely get out of it because of that. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- While I'm here I'm also gonna post my town reads and scum reads: Town: DkKoba - I'm gonna be honest, I really hate how they play, but they also seem the most genuine player by far of anyone in this game Cyan - They don't feel like they're playing how they did as scum in NOC Game 2, they feel less like they're trying to look towny and more like they're just playing the game here PKQ - I am going to townread this for the time being, this could flip on a dime so its by far the least solid of my townreads, but with how they feel very towny to me with how well they've handled pressure to day and given post above I don't believe they're all that scummy for the reasons people have been pushing anyway Scum: mmib - This slot feels so bland, its like they're trying so hard to look towny but not actually doing anything, I'd love to see a lot more from this slot and can honestly see them becoming a townread later, but I can't in good conscious do that until I see results xdrudi - This slot has a total of four posts, including one where they lazily jumped on the Martin vote midday and proceeded to add nothing to the vote or other votes for that matter. Also reading through their posts, albeit limited, they feel like the kind of careful player that would be more than all for the kind of scum kill like the one I explained could've happened with DDLC. Vote xdrudiok i veto erry today, can i interest u in an OM vote tho |
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Post by zachattack01 on Jul 27, 2022 22:39:18 GMT
I’m inclined to believe the ddlc kill was done by someone on the Martin wagon as ddlc was the most vocal against it. Erry is one of those names.
Because of that, I think we should at least discuss these reads before we completely write off an erry vote. Some of these reads feel weird and the combination of them all together is even weirder. How’re you gonna have a low effort sr in xdrudi but super bold trs in cyan and pkq.
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Post by zachattack01 on Jul 27, 2022 22:41:36 GMT
I can go more in depth when I get back home
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Post by dkkoba on Jul 27, 2022 22:52:52 GMT
im currently like in the vibe of "you provide analysis, you get a pass for now" kind of deal where we set up a gamestate that is solveable down the road because thoughts have been expressed and can be tracked.
punishing players for trying to solve is how you get people to stfu and not do anything
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Post by dkkoba on Jul 27, 2022 22:53:44 GMT
i mean the most simple answer is that ddlc was pushing pkq and pkq is scum lol + doc dodging around me
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Post by zachattack01 on Jul 27, 2022 23:16:37 GMT
im currently like in the vibe of "you provide analysis, you get a pass for now" kind of deal where we set up a gamestate that is solveable down the road because thoughts have been expressed and can be tracked. punishing players for trying to solve is how you get people to stfu and not do anything i don't think i'm actively trying to punish people for sharing their reads and i don't want to do that, but i get it based off of what little words i said. i'm home now so i can go a little deeper into erry's reads |
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Post by zachattack01 on Jul 27, 2022 23:18:45 GMT
damn they could replace my "paranoid gun owner" with american and nothing would change
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Post by zachattack01 on Jul 27, 2022 23:25:06 GMT
im currently like in the vibe of "you provide analysis, you get a pass for now" kind of deal where we set up a gamestate that is solveable down the road because thoughts have been expressed and can be tracked. punishing players for trying to solve is how you get people to stfu and not do anything if anything, i completely disagree with your mindset of "you provide analysis, you get a pass for now". you and erry see COMPLETELY differently on the pkq situation. does that not do anything for you? |
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Post by dkkoba on Jul 27, 2022 23:28:21 GMT
I don't think erry and pkq are paired based on what they said
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Post by zachattack01 on Jul 27, 2022 23:41:56 GMT
I don't think erry and pkq are paired based on what they said could you elaborate some more on this? |
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Post by zachattack01 on Jul 27, 2022 23:45:49 GMT
yo @zach @om uh is it just me or is this level of general inactivity worse than game 2 i'm starting to see what you mean |
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Post by mightycannon on Jul 28, 2022 0:32:46 GMT
Gm
honestly have to go to school in an hour and i feel like at this point i am just gonna wait for more reads
Vote Om
Fastest way of securing reads is to vote om so wee
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Post by mightycannon on Jul 28, 2022 0:35:55 GMT
By securing i mean if om is pressured surely they will make better and new reads
Plus i really like dkkoba's idea so i will also make a readlist and i will explainthe two posts that made me suspicious of PKQ after school probably for now goodbye
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Post by mightycannon on Jul 28, 2022 0:56:17 GMT
From the people who didnt want to kill Marvin I really want to know why. Like it just doesnt make sense to me why we shouldnt kill someone who had pressure vote(s) on them and all they said was "heyyy". It just feels like a school project where everyone is doing something for the project and one is doing nothing. Over all I would say that Cyan is just searching for small things to make people get voted which I think is sus. Was it Martin or marvin idk but like they weren't defending themselves and I felt like if they were scum their partners would try to help them+there would be a better counterwagon and plus they were kinda wagoned for no reason so |
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Post by erry on Jul 28, 2022 1:13:37 GMT
ok i veto erry today, can i interest u in an OM vote tho I'm not fully opposed to an OM vote, I'll have to go back through and reread the slot a bit more. I would like to see a response from them about the current wagon on them, however, they've been largely absent today |
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Post by cyan on Jul 28, 2022 1:19:16 GMT
so i'm going to need mmib and jeff to step up for themselves here. both of you, pick a vote and justify it to me. if you can't, pick someone you think should not be voted under any circumstance today. mmib needs to do this more because they've already shown hints of thought progression and i want to see those trains reach their final destination since i forgot to do that in my post but why does all my stuff gotta run through you? i need to know where you stand so i can get into your mindset. anyway uh this is a response for the sake of responding so let's get into what really happened today i generally don't like how pkq is approaching this game. Damn I have to change my game plan now. vote OM i can definitely stand behind the idea of mighty being town from a scumhunting perspective, they seem lost and that's about the perfect thing to be feeling right now i think the mighty/pkq relationship is still worth paying attention to given that their clash feels a smidge forced, but among the two i'd be less hesitant on voting pkq given their lack of attention and ddlcfan69 being a potential fearkill. problem is, these two pieces of evidence contradict each other, and it might well be worth considering that pkq is being framed i'm going to set aside dkkoba vs. om and leave it to the two of them to duke it out. i kind of feel like they might be TvT though. Another angle that needs to be point out is where the shift of attention from day 1 to day 2 went because I think I am just low hanging fruit that scum wants to make even lower. lack of engagement, no visible indication of reads, and a lot of other stinky things that make them look like low-effort town at best and low-effort scum at worst. having a game plan revolving around voting lunarmob is already a telltale sign, but voting OM right after that? you're either sheeping or opportunistic if you're concerned about being low hanging fruit, you need to make yourself look like a proper player. all this said i'm still not willing to vote pkq because a. being sick sucks ass and b. too many people have been willing to go on this wagon throughout the game and i am Uncomfortable this is my first time getting on since when i posted yesterday. sorry about that. looking back at martin tho and their one post of note, it feels like they were genuine about not being familiar with the game instead of just trying to be useless. makes me feel like people that voted martin after that post are either scum or just very unsympathetic. if they were someone with any familiarity with mafia, they wouldn't've feigned ignorance as a pr. if that was their whole strategy on the other hand, then it was stupid and they deserve to die fort death suckssssss. liked their hypo idea. i do wanna focus on the other 3 slots on the martin wagon from last night tho so xdrudi, dkkoba and erry. one of these is a wagon gaining traction, one of these is an active poster who sits on this weird center between scumhunter and low-efforter, and one of these showed up with four reads and a point of contest against my NKA take if anything i think dkkoba is the most likely town out of the three, but what are your takes on them? lmao i love how dkkoba typed out so much in their emotional response yet didn't actually provided a reason for their vote shift. keeping your vote on OM would've been consistent with the things you had said thus far. martin still would've been dead without your shift. why did you shift? Yes just ignore everything else ive posted the whole game and use recency bias thats always worked amirite I voted martin bc being on top wagon is pro circuit. Thats it. If martin flipped scum it benefits me. Not being on the wagon only hurts me well that's... mildly asshat behaviour then again it's not outwardly game-breaking, the only significant thing it accomplished was secure plurality away from xdrudi, and i think that should be overlooked i could make a case on an xdrudi + dkkoba partnership given that dkkoba was significantly less hostile to xdrudi than everyone else in the game on top of this, but altogether i think it's weak enough to just keep a mental note of and conveniently forget about From the people who didnt want to kill Marvin I really want to know why. Like it just doesnt make sense to me why we shouldnt kill someone who had pressure vote(s) on them and all they said was "heyyy". It just feels like a school project where everyone is doing something for the project and one is doing nothing. Over all I would say that Cyan is just searching for small things to make people get voted which I think is sus. i still stand by the martin vote, but your actions this entire game have been one of two things: - justifying a blatantly low-effort vote that many others were piling on for emotional reasons - defending said vote after it flips town pr the bit about me is laughably insignificant because not only is it a non-sequitur, it reeks of blanket defense plenty of others have been using what arguably counts as "small things" as their basis for voting. the only thing separating me from them is that i'm pushing you. i know koba wants us to be a bit more lenient on this slot, and i respect the sportsmanship, but xdrudi needs to cut the slack and give us something to work with instead of making a concerted effort to not try Gm honestly have to go to school in an hour and i feel like at this point i am just gonna wait for more reads Vote OmFastest way of securing reads is to vote om so wee OM has provided no insight in the past 24 hours. i'm not sure what you'd get from pushing a pressure vote like this |
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Post by cyan on Jul 28, 2022 1:20:06 GMT
until OM comes on and does something i'm going to act like the wagon doesn't exist
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Post by cyan on Jul 28, 2022 1:30:39 GMT
The NK on Fort made a lot of sense, but I've been really confused about the kill on DDLC, from a scum perspective I feel like Koba would've been a much more obvious kill. I'm starting to think that that was part of the reasoning behind the DDLC kill though. The best scenario for scum would be to hit as many town as possible, with two factions in this they have the potential to get two kills per night, however, if both factions shot the same slot then obviously it wouldn't be optimal for them. Because of this I believe one faction went with a fairly direct kill, being Fort, and the other went with a much less obvious kill so that they wouldn't end up doubling up in shooting major slots like Koba or Fort. Reading back through DDLC's iso, over half of their posts were just jokes and when they did finally hop on PKQ they didn't provide any reasoning to back it up really. Despite this DDLC is a usually a very good player from my experience with them, so it would make sense why scum would want to through out a slot that's both low radar, due to my previously explained reasoning, but also has the potential to be a threat to them. Its because of this that I honestly don't think PKQ is related whatsoever to the DDLC's death here, its more like PKQ was in the wrong place at the wrong time. That's not to say PKQ isn't scum, not by any means, but it is to say that pushing them over DDLC's death here is a lazy line of logic imo when there's so many more angles you could view that death from and so much more information you could likely get out of it because of that. i don't want to be That Guy, but i think you've just straight-up undermined the point you were trying to make if we operate off of the assumption that ddlc was killed because scum thought he was a low-radar potential threat, then we'd best be looking at people who would be threatened by him. i mentioned PKQ, and your chain of thought leads to a net 360 degree turn that puts them out of the spotlight and back again. still, there is an angle that i forgot to consider; what if the faction that killed ddlc was scumhunting? who would have reason to suspect ddlc, and why? keep in mind that scumhunting as scum in a 2v2v11 non-vanilla is generally Not Good thanks to the presence of power roles + the lack of ability to gain any significant town following even with the opposite team out of the picture, so if that were true i think the conclusion to be made is that ddlc was killed by werewolves. it also follows that if all of this hypothesis is true, we should be looking at less competent players for werewolves |
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Post by pkq on Jul 28, 2022 1:54:36 GMT
vote pkq since i forgot to do that in my post but why does all my stuff gotta run through you? i need to know where you stand so i can get into your mindset. anyway uh this is a response for the sake of responding so let's get into what really happened today i generally don't like how pkq is approaching this game. Damn I have to change my game plan now. vote OM Another angle that needs to be point out is where the shift of attention from day 1 to day 2 went because I think I am just low hanging fruit that scum wants to make even lower. lack of engagement, no visible indication of reads, and a lot of other stinky things that make them look like low-effort town at best and low-effort scum at worst. having a game plan revolving around voting lunarmob is already a telltale sign, but voting OM right after that? you're either sheeping or opportunistic if you're concerned about being low hanging fruit, you need to make yourself look like a proper player. all this said i'm still not willing to vote pkq because a. being sick sucks ass and b. too many people have been willing to go on this wagon throughout the game and i am Uncomfortable this is my first time getting on since when i posted yesterday. sorry about that. looking back at martin tho and their one post of note, it feels like they were genuine about not being familiar with the game instead of just trying to be useless. makes me feel like people that voted martin after that post are either scum or just very unsympathetic. if they were someone with any familiarity with mafia, they wouldn't've feigned ignorance as a pr. if that was their whole strategy on the other hand, then it was stupid and they deserve to die fort death suckssssss. liked their hypo idea. i do wanna focus on the other 3 slots on the martin wagon from last night tho so xdrudi, dkkoba and erry. one of these is a wagon gaining traction, one of these is an active poster who sits on this weird center between scumhunter and low-efforter, and one of these showed up with four reads and a point of contest against my NKA take if anything i think dkkoba is the most likely town out of the three, but what are your takes on them? Yes just ignore everything else ive posted the whole game and use recency bias thats always worked amirite I voted martin bc being on top wagon is pro circuit. Thats it. If martin flipped scum it benefits me. Not being on the wagon only hurts me well that's... mildly asshat behaviour then again it's not outwardly game-breaking, the only significant thing it accomplished was secure plurality away from xdrudi, and i think that should be overlooked i could make a case on an xdrudi + dkkoba partnership given that dkkoba was significantly less hostile to xdrudi than everyone else in the game on top of this, but altogether i think it's weak enough to just keep a mental note of and conveniently forget about From the people who didnt want to kill Marvin I really want to know why. Like it just doesnt make sense to me why we shouldnt kill someone who had pressure vote(s) on them and all they said was "heyyy". It just feels like a school project where everyone is doing something for the project and one is doing nothing. Over all I would say that Cyan is just searching for small things to make people get voted which I think is sus. i still stand by the martin vote, but your actions this entire game have been one of two things: - justifying a blatantly low-effort vote that many others were piling on for emotional reasons - defending said vote after it flips town pr the bit about me is laughably insignificant because not only is it a non-sequitur, it reeks of blanket defense plenty of others have been using what arguably counts as "small things" as their basis for voting. the only thing separating me from them is that i'm pushing you. i know koba wants us to be a bit more lenient on this slot, and i respect the sportsmanship, but xdrudi needs to cut the slack and give us something to work with instead of making a concerted effort to not try Gm honestly have to go to school in an hour and i feel like at this point i am just gonna wait for more reads Vote OmFastest way of securing reads is to vote om so wee OM has provided no insight in the past 24 hours. i'm not sure what you'd get from pushing a pressure vote like this NGL my day 1 wasn't the best, but I am sure I made up for that in day 2 and I gave out my reads if you haven't see them. About this lunar and om thing, I put a vote on lunar on the beginning of the day to put pressure on him while I was looking to make solid reads and I guess you already seen the rest on why I chose OM. The reason I got off this slot because when lunar got sub I want to sub to easy there way in and I have players I think that deserve more pressure then lunar after day 1. I try to make myself look like a proper player, but not everyone see the proper player in me like I see in me. |
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Post by Gary The Savage on Jul 28, 2022 1:54:38 GMT
Votecount update 2.1. If the deadline were to end right now, OM would be voted out. Approximately 24 hours remain.  |
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Post by mymemoryisbad on Jul 28, 2022 2:01:59 GMT
people be hating on Om When is Om gonna make everyone's reads look like trash is the question so ur fine with shifting to om and are currently voting them but you said this |
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Post by mymemoryisbad on Jul 28, 2022 2:03:18 GMT
Gm honestly have to go to school in an hour and i feel like at this point i am just gonna wait for more reads Vote OmFastest way of securing reads is to vote om so wee bro half ur posts are asking for other peoples reads you seem to just want other peoples reads and base stuff around that like my dude half of ur posts are "[user] can u give updated read post" |
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Post by John on Jul 28, 2022 4:28:58 GMT
So, apologize for lurk. I had a very busy day. I did not intend to stay on dkkoba this long but things got in the way. Yes, it was mostly an emotional reaction but I still don't like the way EoD was handled. Whatever. unvote dkkoba, vote xdrudi for now since I'm not actually going to death tunnel for one interaction but I don't necessarily TR just yet.
MC is making a bunch of throwaway lines as if this is chat mafia. A little sus. I'm going to wait and see what these supposed reads he has to offer so let's wait for that. This "if I vote OM, they will make a read" thing sounds like something you would say during RVS but it is day2. Sus. It's also annoyingly passive in that MC is not actually asking OM to do anything directly.
I feel like xdrudi is leaning into their noobness a little too much. I've only played 1 other game with them so it's hard to tell definitively but there they made a genuine townslip and something about their "innocent questions" here seem a little fake? I can't quite put my finger on it. To actually answer your question, I did not have a hard TR on Martin but I did read him as a new player that wasn't exactly sure how to play but was beginning to try by the end of the day. He could have still flipped scum but I thought I had a stronger SR on people who were making the easy push on him than whatever read I had on Martin himself.
To me, the only thing worse than actually staying on the terrible martin wagon is still trying to justify it after they flipped PR. Like yes, if Martin knew how to play they would have claimed Seer at some point but that doesn't mean your vote on them was good and you are vindicated. MMIB's "wow Martin. Thanks a lot for not claiming!" type comment bothers me but he also was not on the wagon so I'm just going to read it as frustration. I was frustrated at the end of the day too.
If someone on the OM wagon could give me an actual SR on OM I would greatly appreciate it. I don't think I've seen a concrete one but maybe I missed it.
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