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Post by zachattack01 on Jul 28, 2022 5:38:59 GMT
i know i said i wanted to talk about what erry said more, but the more those reads settle into me, the more i like them and more i think erry is towny. the xdrudi slot has been super lazy thus far and the mmib slot is doing weird things like they did in game 2. not gonna lose brain cells like i did with mmib in d1 tho. vote xdrudi FOR NOW.
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Post by zachattack01 on Jul 28, 2022 5:55:58 GMT
this is my first time getting on since when i posted yesterday. sorry about that. looking back at martin tho and their one post of note, it feels like they were genuine about not being familiar with the game instead of just trying to be useless. makes me feel like people that voted martin after that post are either scum or just very unsympathetic. if they were someone with any familiarity with mafia, they wouldn't've feigned ignorance as a pr. if that was their whole strategy on the other hand, then it was stupid and they deserve to die fort death suckssssss. liked their hypo idea. i do wanna focus on the other 3 slots on the martin wagon from last night tho so xdrudi, dkkoba and erry. one of these is a wagon gaining traction, one of these is an active poster who sits on this weird center between scumhunter and low-efforter, and one of these showed up with four reads and a point of contest against my NKA take if anything i think dkkoba is the most likely town out of the three, but what are your takes on them? Yes just ignore everything else ive posted the whole game and use recency bias thats always worked amirite I voted martin bc being on top wagon is pro circuit. Thats it. If martin flipped scum it benefits me. Not being on the wagon only hurts me well that's... mildly asshat behaviour then again it's not outwardly game-breaking, the only significant thing it accomplished was secure plurality away from xdrudi, and i think that should be overlooked i could make a case on an xdrudi + dkkoba partnership given that dkkoba was significantly less hostile to xdrudi than everyone else in the game on top of this, but altogether i think it's weak enough to just keep a mental note of and conveniently forget about i briefly stated my feelings on erry and xdrudi in my last post, but i'll take this one to share my thoughts on koba:
- their thought process is obviously very chaotic, bouncing between one thought to another, yet everything is all linked to each other. they're definitely very smart, and that approach has made me think they're more towny
- that being said, they feel eerily similar to the snapa slot from game 2 with some more brain cells. snapa flipped scum. i don't wanna make any conclusions, just gonna have some reservations - i do get the frustration from the d1 vote. towny - need some more explanation behind their reads. i think you and erry are of the same alignment with how y'all have been acting recently, and koba has been on that since yesterday, but hasn't really said why
i'd love a long post going in depth with some of their reads on people, but i also think that would go against the way they've been playing. i can be hopeful at least. i'd love to hear more of their thoughts before making more conclusions about them
also point system dumb
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Post by mightycannon on Jul 28, 2022 10:07:47 GMT
Gm honestly have to go to school in an hour and i feel like at this point i am just gonna wait for more reads Vote OmFastest way of securing reads is to vote om so wee bro half ur posts are asking for other peoples reads you seem to just want other peoples reads and base stuff around that like my dude half of ur posts are "[user] can u give updated read post" Half is more of an exaggeration look man if people give reads constantly then I can PoE them out in many situations this is my playstyle and how I play To cyan talon and you talking about why I voted om is the reason that town om probably would try to defend themselves more and form reads if he is pressured by multiple votes if om is scum then we are just gonna get him off the game Also my 2nd post was a joke considering people in the past have considered Om to be a cheater (not even as a shitpost just reporting to auth about it) when he obviously isnt shows how good he is at the game albeit that was about a lylo thing or idk i forgot |
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Post by mightycannon on Jul 28, 2022 10:09:33 GMT
The NK on Fort made a lot of sense, but I've been really confused about the kill on DDLC, from a scum perspective I feel like Koba would've been a much more obvious kill. I'm starting to think that that was part of the reasoning behind the DDLC kill though. The best scenario for scum would be to hit as many town as possible, with two factions in this they have the potential to get two kills per night, however, if both factions shot the same slot then obviously it wouldn't be optimal for them. Because of this I believe one faction went with a fairly direct kill, being Fort, and the other went with a much less obvious kill so that they wouldn't end up doubling up in shooting major slots like Koba or Fort. Reading back through DDLC's iso, over half of their posts were just jokes and when they did finally hop on PKQ they didn't provide any reasoning to back it up really. Despite this DDLC is a usually a very good player from my experience with them, so it would make sense why scum would want to through out a slot that's both low radar, due to my previously explained reasoning, but also has the potential to be a threat to them. Its because of this that I honestly don't think PKQ is related whatsoever to the DDLC's death here, its more like PKQ was in the wrong place at the wrong time. That's not to say PKQ isn't scum, not by any means, but it is to say that pushing them over DDLC's death here is a lazy line of logic imo when there's so many more angles you could view that death from and so much more information you could likely get out of it because of that. i don't want to be That Guy, but i think you've just straight-up undermined the point you were trying to make if we operate off of the assumption that ddlc was killed because scum thought he was a low-radar potential threat, then we'd best be looking at people who would be threatened by him. i mentioned PKQ, and your chain of thought leads to a net 360 degree turn that puts them out of the spotlight and back again. still, there is an angle that i forgot to consider; what if the faction that killed ddlc was scumhunting? who would have reason to suspect ddlc, and why? keep in mind that scumhunting as scum in a 2v2v11 non-vanilla is generally Not Good thanks to the presence of power roles + the lack of ability to gain any significant town following even with the opposite team out of the picture, so if that were true i think the conclusion to be made is that ddlc was killed by werewolves. it also follows that if all of this hypothesis is true, we should be looking at less competent players for werewolves Cyan talon you would probably be a better kill if the 3rd faction was scum hunting imo |
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Post by mightycannon on Jul 28, 2022 10:15:28 GMT
So, apologize for lurk. I had a very busy day. I did not intend to stay on dkkoba this long but things got in the way. Yes, it was mostly an emotional reaction but I still don't like the way EoD was handled. Whatever. unvote dkkoba, vote xdrudi for now since I'm not actually going to death tunnel for one interaction but I don't necessarily TR just yet. MC is making a bunch of throwaway lines as if this is chat mafia. A little sus. I'm going to wait and see what these supposed reads he has to offer so let's wait for that. This "if I vote OM, they will make a read" thing sounds like something you would say during RVS but it is day2. Sus. It's also annoyingly passive in that MC is not actually asking OM to do anything directly. I feel like xdrudi is leaning into their noobness a little too much. I've only played 1 other game with them so it's hard to tell definitively but there they made a genuine townslip and something about their "innocent questions" here seem a little fake? I can't quite put my finger on it. To actually answer your question, I did not have a hard TR on Martin but I did read him as a new player that wasn't exactly sure how to play but was beginning to try by the end of the day. He could have still flipped scum but I thought I had a stronger SR on people who were making the easy push on him than whatever read I had on Martin himself. To me, the only thing worse than actually staying on the terrible martin wagon is still trying to justify it after they flipped PR. Like yes, if Martin knew how to play they would have claimed Seer at some point but that doesn't mean your vote on them was good and you are vindicated. MMIB's "wow Martin. Thanks a lot for not claiming!" type comment bothers me but he also was not on the wagon so I'm just going to read it as frustration. I was frustrated at the end of the day too. If someone on the OM wagon could give me an actual SR on OM I would greatly appreciate it. I don't think I've seen a concrete one but maybe I missed it. What in all my recent posts related to OM i have asked them to make reads whether sarcastically or actually Moreover i have to postpone my readlist and pkq post for a few hours probably since i have to sleep since i got like a decent 4 hour sleep today so i have to rest for half an hour and go to my tutions Anyways currently i feel like i can shift to cyan talon and maybe PKQ(maybe because i might have to reread what i based my previous read on lol) |
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Post by mightycannon on Jul 28, 2022 10:16:38 GMT
Also can someone tell me multiquote on mobile lol
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Post by OM~! on Jul 28, 2022 13:54:30 GMT
Hi, sorry
I thought I'd have more time for this game but I clearly do not
Will try to get some progress done before I sub out
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Post by cyan on Jul 28, 2022 14:00:46 GMT
NGL my day 1 wasn't the best, but I am sure I made up for that in day 2 and I gave out my reads if you haven't see them. About this lunar and om thing, I put a vote on lunar on the beginning of the day to put pressure on him while I was looking to make solid reads and I guess you already seen the rest on why I chose OM. The reason I got off this slot because when lunar got sub I want to sub to easy there way in and I have players I think that deserve more pressure then lunar after day 1. I try to make myself look like a proper player, but not everyone see the proper player in me like I see in me. this entire post is a massive ego trip but we're not going to talk about that. so, if i'm going to take this to mean what you want it to mean, you wanted to put pressure on lunar and now om. which then begs the question; why OM now? half the PL looks like they're out for his throat, and even if i find it a reasonable push in isolation, i don't know why you're jumping on a wagon and calling it pressure - especially when even mc looks more enthusiastic about the idea than you. in regards to your NKA, uh... you're operating purely off of assumptions. sure, OM stands to gain the most from lurking and picking off powerful players as scum, but that same argument applies to any scumteam that isn't made entirely out of noobs. hell, you can even argue that fort was killed by noobs who were afraid of their vocal playstyle. through your justifications, there is no reason to believe that OM is more scum out of anyone else. secondly, i'm not sure how you reached the conclusion that when the latter half of this would be linking to ddlcfan69. how does this kill help scum no. 2 achieve their agenda in any way, shape or form? didn't mean for this to be a ripping-apart post, but your conclusions lead nowhere. the only thing of merit you've done is tagging along. unvote john vote mighty bro half ur posts are asking for other peoples reads you seem to just want other peoples reads and base stuff around that like my dude half of ur posts are "[user] can u give updated read post" Half is more of an exaggeration look man if people give reads constantly then I can PoE them out in many situations this is my playstyle and how I play To cyan talon and you talking about why I voted om is the reason that town om probably would try to defend themselves more and form reads if he is pressured by multiple votes if om is scum then we are just gonna get him off the game Also my 2nd post was a joke considering people in the past have considered Om to be a cheater (not even as a shitpost just reporting to auth about it) when he obviously isnt shows how good he is at the game albeit that was about a lylo thing or idk i forgot this is hardly a good justification when OM hasn't even shown signs of activity aside from the snarkpost that started off d2, well before you started your pressure push dude could've just forgotten about the game and you'd be grabbing for his throat for it then again, i do feel like mmib's angle of attack here is a bit too simple? it's very easy to smack mc for it but i will be intently watching how far mmib wants to go |
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Post by cyan on Jul 28, 2022 14:01:54 GMT
Hi, sorry I thought I'd have more time for this game but I clearly do not Will try to get some progress done before I sub out would you look at that, i WAS right about the activity @gary can we get a sub extension if someone comes in to take OM's place? i don't want the pressure to diffuse just yet |
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Post by OM~! on Jul 28, 2022 14:03:00 GMT
I PUSHED MY READS HARD. At least i fucking shared them too. Imagine that. Ofc its the same people who misread me hilariously game 1 and elsewhere that are pushing me rn John i saw the night actions list, you dont get to say that and not show up at end of day. yo this is not okay we are all regular people here playing the game to have fun there is absolutely no need to be toxic to others during it |
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Post by OM~! on Jul 28, 2022 14:43:58 GMT
I'm currently up to page 12
I have decided the wagon on me is baseless, actually
pkq's read is wifom (Fort is killed because an inactive strong player is wanting to take over!! - note: I was scumread twice day 1.)
mighty cannon just wants to pressure me to make reads look like garbage (?) Feels weird because I thought mc had decent town vibes mid-d2 but this is such an awkward shift
dkkoba is tunneling me for... idk being busy I think?
tl:dr I have accumulated votes because I did not prioritize playing this game
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Post by OM~! on Jul 28, 2022 14:45:19 GMT
seems counter intuitive to jump on every wagon to get extra points feels actively negative utility tbh why are you doing bad gameplay just to maximize potential points |
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Post by zachattack01 on Jul 28, 2022 14:45:29 GMT
What I’m confused about are how are the Martin and OM wagons different? Are they being started under the same basis of inactivity? Wouldn’t that make the people who didn’t like the Martin wagon but are now on the OM wagon extremely hypocritical?
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Post by OM~! on Jul 28, 2022 14:47:33 GMT
The wagon is happening because people are listening to the loudest people in the room instead of critically thinking, I think
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Post by OM~! on Jul 28, 2022 14:51:55 GMT
What I’m confused about are how are the Martin and OM wagons different? Are they being started under the same basis of inactivity? Wouldn’t that make the people who didn’t like the Martin wagon but are now on the OM wagon extremely hypocritical? I think there are minor differences wrt dkkoba actually believing I am scum, but they also tend to deathtunnel me in every game we're in together so I don't give their opinion much weight, ngl. |
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Post by mightycannon on Jul 28, 2022 14:52:20 GMT
NGL my day 1 wasn't the best, but I am sure I made up for that in day 2 and I gave out my reads if you haven't see them. About this lunar and om thing, I put a vote on lunar on the beginning of the day to put pressure on him while I was looking to make solid reads and I guess you already seen the rest on why I chose OM. The reason I got off this slot because when lunar got sub I want to sub to easy there way in and I have players I think that deserve more pressure then lunar after day 1. I try to make myself look like a proper player, but not everyone see the proper player in me like I see in me. this entire post is a massive ego trip but we're not going to talk about that. so, if i'm going to take this to mean what you want it to mean, you wanted to put pressure on lunar and now om. which then begs the question; why OM now? half the PL looks like they're out for his throat, and even if i find it a reasonable push in isolation, i don't know why you're jumping on a wagon and calling it pressure - especially when even mc looks more enthusiastic about the idea than you. in regards to your NKA, uh... you're operating purely off of assumptions. sure, OM stands to gain the most from lurking and picking off powerful players as scum, but that same argument applies to any scumteam that isn't made entirely out of noobs. hell, you can even argue that fort was killed by noobs who were afraid of their vocal playstyle. through your justifications, there is no reason to believe that OM is more scum out of anyone else. secondly, i'm not sure how you reached the conclusion that when the latter half of this would be linking to ddlcfan69. how does this kill help scum no. 2 achieve their agenda in any way, shape or form? didn't mean for this to be a ripping-apart post, but your conclusions lead nowhere. the only thing of merit you've done is tagging along. Half is more of an exaggeration look man if people give reads constantly then I can PoE them out in many situations this is my playstyle and how I play To cyan talon and you talking about why I voted om is the reason that town om probably would try to defend themselves more and form reads if he is pressured by multiple votes if om is scum then we are just gonna get him off the game Also my 2nd post was a joke considering people in the past have considered Om to be a cheater (not even as a shitpost just reporting to auth about it) when he obviously isnt shows how good he is at the game albeit that was about a lylo thing or idk i forgot this is hardly a good justification when OM hasn't even shown signs of activity aside from the snarkpost that started off d2, well before you started your pressure push dude could've just forgotten about the game and you'd be grabbing for his throat for it then again, i do feel like mmib's angle of attack here is a bit too simple? it's very easy to smack mc for it but i will be intently watching how far mmib wants to go Hello cyan talon theres a few things about this post and some other things i have to ask/give opinion on 1. Fort probably wouldn't be killed by noobies because dkkoba was clearly more tred slot and less neutral slot right now so from a newb perspective fort would probably not be the kill 2. If om showed signs of activity i would shift no? If they didn't respond then what would happen is Om would actually be considered busy or if he was on he would atleast try to post a little confirming his inactivity like he has done 3. Moreover i would like your reads atm since i am considering shifting to you honestly most of your posts have been just judging other people's posts so surely you would have a good readlist atm |
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Post by OM~! on Jul 28, 2022 14:52:52 GMT
I highly disagree with mmib scumreads
this feels exactly how they were playing in noc1g2 and they were town there
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Post by OM~! on Jul 28, 2022 14:55:20 GMT
What I’m confused about are how are the Martin and OM wagons different? Are they being started under the same basis of inactivity? Wouldn’t that make the people who didn’t like the Martin wagon but are now on the OM wagon extremely hypocritical? I think there are minor differences wrt dkkoba actually believing I am scum, but they also tend to deathtunnel me in every game we're in together so I don't give their opinion much weight, ngl. Unfortunately, dkkoba is an awful vote so I'm just going to pray that scum takes them out so that we* don't have to deal with it later *we may not be indicative of OM + y'all, but instead y'all + OM's slot |
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Post by mightycannon on Jul 28, 2022 14:56:07 GMT
i am confused on who to vote rn before i shift to cyan talon and start wagoning them i want a readlist from them
unvote Om
Definitely unvoting Om right now though now om is back in business
I am gonna reread and post my readlist now and find those stupid PKQ posts i had seen that made me feel weird about the slot
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Post by zachattack01 on Jul 28, 2022 14:56:59 GMT
seems counter intuitive to jump on every wagon to get extra points feels actively negative utility tbh why are you doing bad gameplay just to maximize potential points Because people still wanna maximize their position in the circuit regardless of whether or not their faction wins. Kinda selfish but I get it |
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Post by zachattack01 on Jul 28, 2022 14:59:32 GMT
I highly disagree with mmib scumreads this feels exactly how they were playing in noc1g2 and they were town there Yeah this is the big part of erry’s read that I disagree with. The only different between this game and that game was that mmib was town read by the entire active PL in game 2. He doesn’t have that luxury here, yet is still doing the same. Wouldn’t be surprised by a flip, but it obviously wouldn’t be for their play up until this point |
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Post by cyan on Jul 28, 2022 15:08:59 GMT
i am confused on who to vote rn before i shift to cyan talon and start wagoning them i want a readlist from them unvote OmDefinitely unvoting Om right now though now om is back in business I am gonna reread and post my readlist now and find those stupid PKQ posts i had seen that made me feel weird about the slot have i not already made my distaste for readlists clear? - xdrudi has still not done anything to progress the game or show an interest in doing so. even their read on me has been abandoned - pkq is playing like a dunning-kruger case study. while i don't think the slot is scum as of now, i'm conflicted on whether or not i should push them or the people on them for going for a cheap wagon - dkkoba has yet to call out pkq for being a "follower" - not sure what this means - what's jeff even doing? - john and dkkoba get slight town points for emotional investment, but that's the extent of my reads on them |
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Post by mymemoryisbad on Jul 28, 2022 15:11:58 GMT
So, apologize for lurk. I had a very busy day. I did not intend to stay on dkkoba this long but things got in the way. Yes, it was mostly an emotional reaction but I still don't like the way EoD was handled. Whatever. unvote dkkoba, vote xdrudi for now since I'm not actually going to death tunnel for one interaction but I don't necessarily TR just yet. MC is making a bunch of throwaway lines as if this is chat mafia. A little sus. I'm going to wait and see what these supposed reads he has to offer so let's wait for that. This "if I vote OM, they will make a read" thing sounds like something you would say during RVS but it is day2. Sus. It's also annoyingly passive in that MC is not actually asking OM to do anything directly. I feel like xdrudi is leaning into their noobness a little too much. I've only played 1 other game with them so it's hard to tell definitively but there they made a genuine townslip and something about their "innocent questions" here seem a little fake? I can't quite put my finger on it. To actually answer your question, I did not have a hard TR on Martin but I did read him as a new player that wasn't exactly sure how to play but was beginning to try by the end of the day. He could have still flipped scum but I thought I had a stronger SR on people who were making the easy push on him than whatever read I had on Martin himself. To me, the only thing worse than actually staying on the terrible martin wagon is still trying to justify it after they flipped PR. Like yes, if Martin knew how to play they would have claimed Seer at some point but that doesn't mean your vote on them was good and you are vindicated. MMIB's "wow Martin. Thanks a lot for not claiming!" type comment bothers me but he also was not on the wagon so I'm just going to read it as frustration. I was frustrated at the end of the day too. If someone on the OM wagon could give me an actual SR on OM I would greatly appreciate it. I don't think I've seen a concrete one but maybe I missed it. to clear up some things for why martin was wagoned (i think) so martin was extremely inactive in noc1 game2, like he had a total of ~3 posts and they all said something like "hi" or "gm". we were pretty pissed about that considering the inactiveness/subs of game2, and ig people didnt want that *again* so they immediately wagoned him d1. tldr: martin lurked a ton and got carried in game2, peeps didnt want that |
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Post by cyan on Jul 28, 2022 15:14:23 GMT
I'm currently up to page 12 I have decided the wagon on me is baseless, actually pkq's read is wifom (Fort is killed because an inactive strong player is wanting to take over!! - note: I was scumread twice day 1.) mighty cannon just wants to pressure me to make reads look like garbage (?) Feels weird because I thought mc had decent town vibes mid-d2 but this is such an awkward shift dkkoba is tunneling me for... idk being busy I think? tl:dr I have accumulated votes because I did not prioritize playing this game actually, i think this is more progress for the pkq + mighty partnership read i had d1? like the two of them have kind of been bickering for all of d2 but ultimately they're on the same wagon and for the same stated reason: "pressure" coincidentally, one of the textbook responses when someone asks why a vote is being pushed and there isn't a good response mighty has not shown interest in putting pressure on OM aside from jumping on the vote, and pkq's follow-up NKA post was just... all over the place somehow i'm even more inclined to push them here in spite of everything i've said up to this point |
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Post by OM~! on Jul 28, 2022 15:15:20 GMT
Think I'm sitting here after a game read through, towniest to scummiest Cyan - One of the things I think is interesting between Cyan scum and Cyan townplay and is just how much Cyan actively tries to progress gamestate when they're town. I think they fold to pressure really easily, but Cyan!town always has fewer red flags and is more comfortable making weird outreach reads (i.e their john emotional read from somewhere in pages 9-10 idr) mmib - stated above, it's just noc1g2 all over again lol [gap] bubida - I'm like... 90% sure this is town (low post but has Actual Content That I Remember) but they have not posted enough for me to be sure so I am putting them up here. PKQ - I think some of their logic is wack but I don't actually have a problem with how they're going about scumhunting when they're actually active - I also don't feel you make such a logic leap of a reason to pressure me as scum. DKKoba - they are probably the arbitrarily most toxic player here but emotional context feels town-based. I think I have to iso them and see if they have anything of actual merit to say, but I am just going to drop them here for the time being. [minor gap] Erry - I have not significantly read through any of Erry's posts but my impression on the skimthrough is that they are not up to par w/ noc1g2 behaviour. This might be my fault for not reading the large blocks of text though. [gap to neutral] dewfew - gm hope you enjoyed just subbing in [large gap] xdrudi - more null w/ annoyance at their current complaints about votes (?) if they were really out here maybe they should've cared about the game idk [larger gap] zachattack - Their posting feels incredibly lackluster this game and I am struggling to point out why - I think it might just be the lack of serious wallposts so far compared to noc1g2 John - He has made posts, and I agree with cyan's earlier take on them but future posts have dropped off significantly in the emotional category and I don't think their analysis actually, like, carries that in terms of townieness. mightycannon - They're more wishy-washy than the pokemon tbh, would like to see them solidify on some reads instead of just doing consensus votes [  ?] ddlc - watch this drive (I can not, for the life of me, tell you what ddlc's alignment is atm.) |
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