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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Apr 29, 2023 11:46:55 GMT
mildly paranoid that lindy's post is a pocket but really mostly i just think it's Sound Townplay. would add that there are a lot of LAMIST-y posts from Cyan that i'm having trouble digesting & i don't get nearly as much of a limbait vibe from the slot
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Apr 29, 2023 11:51:31 GMT
Welcome to ISO Dive: A series of posts where I, Sylveon & Rando, will look through a player's isolated message history to make some reads! This pilot episode is a more obvious pick, having plagued this game with filler from the very start. That's right, CCGeek! First, I will look through his ISO, commenting on each post. Then, I will compile all the evidence to make my final verdict. Enough stalling, however. Let's dive into ISO Dive, Episode 1: CCGeek, the Completely Full Glass. Opening Line: Here he instantly starts useless namefinding. I will not bother you with anymore details about this. He absolutely didn't need to ask this question. All it does is make the spamposting worse. "Look, I'm agreeing with somebody else! Please vote with me." - Shaun, probably Yet another useless message. Yes, your role changes as you post more. You don't need to post about that. I would assume you would want to ping cyan here, but eh. Just another useless post. This question doesnt help create discussion, it just ends with a yes/no answer and hits a dead end. He doesn't even ask again when clemens doesn't answer. As pointed out by clemens later in d1, this post is purely filler. Aka is also to blame, however. Day 2 opening message. If you're reading this and can decipher this, please let me know what the actual fuck it means. Scum is not gonna tell you why they killed myan, so you don't need to ask. Okay the posts are starting to lean away from filler. This means I need to break down how bad this is. "What if I hardclaim ice mafia?" We vote you out for trolling.  Not like you're gonna do it, anyways. "I'm not scum, it's just pmeta!" And the colour of grass is red. Pmeta is not an excuse to filler. "Idc if you think I'm scum." MAYBE YOU SHOULD? "Dactyl isn't here, vote him." Forum mafia is much slower than on PS. Not everybody is gonna be here at the same time arguing with each other. "Is Dactyl the wagon in your opinion? Or did you just want to start a wagon?" Are you scum? Or is your role not aligned with town? "I mention dactyl being inactive too!" This is a bad attempt at coasting. "Yeah scum would totally bus lmao." Nothing to say but  "I was reading through flipped scum's posts and found this one calling me out. Hm." If you think this clears you, I have lost all faith. "Btw do we have a sub?" Who tf do we need a sub for?!?!
This concludes the current episode of ISO Dive. Next episode will cover aka, and how they are slipping under the cracks. Overall, my final verdict for CCGeek is Probably Wolf. See you next time! This is fake as FUCK. They made a big Wallpost to make it seem like Mr. Sylveon is doing much but 90% of it is just "wow this makes no sense!" Vote: Slyveonthere's elements of it that read as maybe bandwagony scum, sure |
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Apr 29, 2023 11:54:05 GMT
raises questions for me though of "can it still come from town?" or "what does scum have to gain from presenting their One Read that way?", like
it's scummy, yeah, but town can be scummy, and given the lack of content from zol's slot + the independently gross stuff going on w shaun, i think there's probably more nuanced ways to read that post than "omg fake"
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Apr 29, 2023 11:57:26 GMT
Welcome to today's episode of I want to log off and sub out Today I'll be doing a big fucking read wall Sylveon's reactions are shitty, they are acting like they're conf town for making a big post that consists of them saying the same thing over and over again Schia and Linduana's wallposts are something I dislike, I think they should split stuff up more and actively push people rather than simply making a big post about why someone is scum then disappearing, I'd like it more if they tried to ask questions and get answersCCGeek and akakakp are fillery yes but I don't mind and don't think that's scummy i don't have any wallposts this game
i have been actively solving
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Apr 29, 2023 12:02:50 GMT
Ok I think I’m fully caught up now. Tos and Cyan are mwah. Cyan you’re like totally right that I’m losing motivation as the game goes on but it’s NAI and happens to me with quite literally everything I do. I don’t know how many times I can explain my EoD1 play and you’re right that I am talking about it too much so I simply won’t. If you wanna sus me for it go right ahead. If I had to solve the game right now I would say Sylv and Lin are our fire mafias and Dact or Scorr is the remaining icey.  |
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Apr 29, 2023 12:05:41 GMT
dactyl has like 1 content post and it's voting clemens. In what world would he ever flip ice? Personally I think Dactyl is more likely to be aligned with Clem since Clem had a lot of pushback to everyone who voted them except for Dact and does not have Dact present in their readslist (seen here) i would like the read a lot more if clem's readlist had been at all comprehensive to begin with |
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Apr 29, 2023 12:06:43 GMT
we really need to talk about how akakakp just complimented two slots today (i.e. calling them super town) and what they had in common was that both slots were sring them.
FTF already said it better than me but the way lin's posts are constructed are super townie. Easy to read, lots of solid evidence, and just the right amount of townie paranoia/indecision. As for the vote switching I thought it would be fun to see what kind of reactions I could get out of Clemens and possibly some other players. Cleared CCGeek from being ice mafia as you and Cyan already stated. Could you elaborate on the Scorr TR? They hopped on the CC wagon with me and Clems so I am surprised you didn't mention that. Editing quotes is hard on mobile so I just won’t but @linduana i in no way “deflected” from your accusation and painting that picture feels super malicious. I addressed your point head on while also asking for clarification on another part of the post. Not sold on this slot being town anymore. Cyan and Scorr had a super productive discussion and Cyan feels super town from it but for some reason I’m not getting that vibe from Scorr. Wish I could explain but something just feels off. I think this is the best post from you this game. |
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Apr 29, 2023 16:07:56 GMT
Same.
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Post by frogo on Apr 29, 2023 16:45:08 GMT
Gm. Schia why do you keep giffing me
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Post by frogo on Apr 29, 2023 17:17:55 GMT
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Apr 29, 2023 17:22:37 GMT
Literally no.
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Post by frogo on Apr 29, 2023 17:54:26 GMT
I have thought about it a lot and I think Scorr is mafia and very likely to be Clemens' partner. Here is a spoilered ISO analysis for the sake of not clogging the thread. Please read <3 i'm back and i have a few thoughts. this is post 1 where i casebuild and get this over with my stance on clemens has not changed. i firmly believe that their fervent push on myan adds up to jack shit and they're aware of it like come on! this screams so much like "look at me, i'm doing what town does, i'm pursuing a scumread" and they haven't repeated any of the two (flimsy) points they made in their past few posts. and in case we all need a reminder i'm going to just let the actual reasoning behind the myan wagon sit on its own pedestal for all of us to admire: this isn't a read complex enough to warrant the kind of defensiveness clemens has been playing with these past few days. clemens is the vote of the day and if someone wants to contest it on grounds other than "Player X is a better vote" i'd like you to address all of clemens's recent posts when you do that and if you're wondering what i think after all of this, myan + clemens remains my bet for one of the scumteams. imagine i sponged schia's read again (if you missed it, it's clemens's "hey are you actually parked on myan" post before they went on this micrograin of a push), but also match it up with how myan has largely just... ignored the otherwise fairly large pressure on them and continued to play passively Celemens is being very polarizing which is pro-town as it helps deduce alignments. I would agree that the myan push is mostly bs, but isn't that how D1 is supposed to work? My current read is that myan is ~rand, and clemens is probably town. This is Scorr's first big contribution to the game and it is calling Clemens town. But for what reason? They call Clemens "pro-town" but we all know that pro-town and anti-town do not necessarily mean town or mafia. Another key point to note was that this occurred at the apex of the push on Clems -- Cyan was starting to get deep into it and Dactyl and TOS had already had votes on it, but the possibility of steering the thread away from Clemens was still there. This is exactly what Scorr was trying to do. Alright looking back Clemens slot is ambiguous as bad town =/= scum but there has been some attempt to scumhunt and make reads albeit the shaky reasoning, personally find their take on Myan to be a bit of a stretch but looking back they did have a line on CCGeek which deviated from their tunnel and: This is one of two attempts from CCGeek to engage with the game. They casted a single vote on me during RVS and made multiple NAI/fillery posts interacting with other users. And this is as far as their game engagement goes. This is worse than Clemens since CCGeek is purely focused on identifying users, shitposty/NAI content, and calling on the afks to speak. None of these actions have led to or hinted at reads.
unvote 我是谁
vote Shaun-CCGeek
180 on the clemens read from is most likely bad town projector mode Their second read is based off of Clemens -- calling someone town for unvoting Clemens, but no comment on lin's CCGeek read or their previous read on Clemens. All that Scorr is focused on is associating Town with Clemens. Congratulations Everyone For you’ve made it Just in time for THE PIVOTTTTTTT VOTE CCGEEK FOR FREE TOWNCRED oh ok Unvote termsofservice
Vote Shaun-CCGeekThis is a big one. I can see why Scorr would listen to me initially, as they called me the towniest player in the thread. But considering Clemens' flip isn't it a little odd? Why abandon your vote on TOS just because one player said so? Scorr had never mentioned CCGeek once so what was the motivation? If lin's read had sparked something in them then why wait until NOW to do something? It reeks of desperation that they only felt comfortable attempting because I made a specific call to action. If things go south, akakakp is always there to blame! Good morning! Myan kill is wacky. I thought for sure that was Clemens' partner. o7 FTF will read your iso shortly Vote: Dactylgut And there it is --- this vote which is a complete 180 of Scorr's previous day and only comes AFTER both Lin and Schia voice suspicions on me. But wait, there's more... Hi scorr. Pls have mercy. As much as Sylv's ISO dive feels super manufactured none of it matters because this last line is the scummiest thing I've ever seen. Vote: Sylveonoh ok Unvote a kak akpThe second I ask for an unvote I'm free? Fence sitting here, but I think cyan/akakakp/ccgeek probably has at least 1 scum. Even though I'm in your scumpool? Yeah, the fence sitting is super real. You try to pocket me D1, you see people suspecting me D2 so you put a vote there, but the second I give into you the vote is gone? Do you actually think I'm mafia or do you just want to keep people focusing on me for as long as possible? Because personally that's what it feels like to me. |
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Apr 29, 2023 18:02:15 GMT
oh ok
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Post by frogo on Apr 29, 2023 18:13:20 GMT
Scorr, I’ll see you in the Aphterlife
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Post by termsofservice on Apr 29, 2023 19:03:04 GMT
Can we talk about how Sylveon is like "don't vote me haha I will isodive haha even though my ISOdives are terrible and barely say anything"
Just because you post a big Wallpost doesn't make you town
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bluepillthink
Dead Player
Somebody revive me before scum wins
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Post by bluepillthink on Apr 29, 2023 19:05:46 GMT
Okay you know what, I'm gonna sub out.
Cya
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Post by ScorrchingTheaph on Apr 29, 2023 19:59:17 GMT
dactyl has like 1 content post and it's voting clemens. In what world would he ever flip ice? Personally I think Dactyl is more likely to be aligned with Clem since Clem had a lot of pushback to everyone who voted them except for Dact and does not have Dact present in their readslist (seen here) Bussing D1 in this theme is so negative ev. Why would he ever do that? |
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Post by ScorrchingTheaph on Apr 29, 2023 19:59:31 GMT
Whoever Clemens' partner is, you are so dumb. Anyways ihbst please talk more. What prompted this btw probably the nightkill |
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Post by ScorrchingTheaph on Apr 29, 2023 20:31:28 GMT
Celemens is being very polarizing which is pro-town as it helps deduce alignments. I would agree that the myan push is mostly bs, but isn't that how D1 is supposed to work? My current read is that myan is ~rand, and clemens is probably town. This is Scorr's first big contribution to the game and it is calling Clemens town. But for what reason? They call Clemens "pro-town" but we all know that pro-town and anti-town do not necessarily mean town or mafia. Another key point to note was that this occurred at the apex of the push on Clems -- Cyan was starting to get deep into it and Dactyl and TOS had already had votes on it, but the possibility of steering the thread away from Clemens was still there. This is exactly what Scorr was trying to do. I thought clemens flipping town was well within the realm of possibility. 180 on the clemens read from is most likely bad town projector mode Their second read is based off of Clemens -- calling someone town for unvoting Clemens, but no comment on lin's CCGeek read or their previous read on Clemens. All that Scorr is focused on is associating Town with Clemens. Nope. The my tr on lin there was going along the lines of how scum will usually be more careful and methodical about putting out their reads, and an immediate vote/unvote seems like something that has the genuineness that can only come from town. oh ok Unvote termsofservice
Vote Shaun-CCGeekThis is a big one. I can see why Scorr would listen to me initially, as they called me the towniest player in the thread. But considering Clemens' flip isn't it a little odd? Why abandon your vote on TOS just because one player said so? Scorr had never mentioned CCGeek once so what was the motivation? If lin's read had sparked something in them then why wait until NOW to do something? It reeks of desperation that they only felt comfortable attempting because I made a specific call to action. If things go south, akakakp is always there to blame! Flipping TOS at that point in time would have done very little to progress the gamestate. It was a pressure vote and I was never going to stay parked there. If my intention was solely to save clemens, pushing a myan misyeet would've been the play. He had a decent amount of lines that could be misconstrued as scummy and a few people who were already inclined to vote him. I'll make it clear that I wasn't in favor of a clemens flip and was looking for a wagon somewhere else. And there it is --- this vote which is a complete 180 of Scorr's previous day and only comes AFTER both Lin and Schia voice suspicions on me. But wait, there's more... Did you expect my reads to stay the same after clemens/ftf/myan flipped? The second I ask for an unvote I'm free? Do you not want to be "free?" Fence sitting here, but I think cyan/akakakp/ccgeek probably has at least 1 scum. Even though I'm in your scumpool? Yeah, the fence sitting is super real. You try to pocket me D1, you see people suspecting me D2 so you put a vote there, but the second I give into you the vote is gone? Do you actually think I'm mafia or do you just want to keep people focusing on me for as long as possible? Because personally that's what it feels like to me. You are not going to like this answer, but I am not sure if you are mafia or not. I uv'ed because 1. you asked nicely and 2. I think solving cyan/ccgeek is going to be more fruitful. If I wanted to keep attention on you I would've never unvoted. |
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Post by ScorrchingTheaph on Apr 29, 2023 20:32:03 GMT
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Apr 30, 2023 0:38:17 GMT
akakak set to go over w/ 3 votes
where is everyone
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Post by cyan on Apr 30, 2023 3:20:09 GMT
on reconsideration maybe "ccgeek is playing passive, fire mafia is acting passive so ccgeek must be fire mafia" isn't as strong of a read as i initially thought i'm staying on mainly because they promised content and i don't like people who promise content until they properly deliver for now, i'm just going to shuttle off random thoughts and continue discussioni did say it was surface level. generally i think akakakp was calling a lot of attention onto clemens yesterday and the thought that struck me was "would scum actively defend and buddy their partner that blatantly?" but with the post you pointed out earlier i think it's more likely that akakakp was simping for some inexplicable reason and trying to find that would be severely unproductive right, but we have no grasp on what fire mafia were playing at by killing ftf and until we do it's just not something i think is worth working out if we work surface-level and assume that flush's reads (and the general consensus they represent, sans the read on me) were a threat to scum, that's an immediate path to a WIFOM "but flush could've been killed to frame the scumslots!" argument it just stands out to me that for what it's worth, i think flush's death should be written off as fearkill until we get something that points us in a different direction but for the sake of engagement let me also address your latter avenue of discussion: if you think fire maf wanted to set up a misvote by killing flush, i'd say the most viable pool of misvote targets is between termsofservice and akakakp. anyone higher in the list is just not getting voted either way and anyone lower doesn't need flush to get the push running. i'm just a staunch believer that policy kills are the lazy option; we do them when nothing better stands out. i've probably been conditioned to the frequency of policy-viable players in chat mafia and the relatively common trend of scum catching on and policying them in turn oh wow, what a surprise, both your random thoughts are @ me |
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Post by cyan on Apr 30, 2023 3:31:36 GMT
there seems to have been a misunderstanding: tos and akakakp aren't slots who look scummy with ftf dead, they're slots whose push would be easier if ftf was dead. killing ftf would be the removal of an obstacle, not a step in the intended direction also i was disregarding myself in that statement so i should probably concede that ftf's death makes my push harder and you're free to take that what you will. the question schia raised was what push scum would find easier with flush out of the picture and unless scum wanted to imply that i killed flush (which in that case would point towards akakakp)i'd do an iso dive of akakakp myself but sylv was offering and having the isos posted is just generally a good thing for visibility so i'll just sit here and wait what so let me just set things straight here because i feel like i'm speaking in a different channel while addressing the post where i said ftf's read wall wasn't worth looking into, you raised this point: in other news, i refuse to believe performing nka on ftf's read wall is going to be productive discussion. for what it's worth the lurker slots they pointed out appear to be here in-game, but if anyone wants to start an ihbst/dactyl wagon they have to conclusively show that we have no better options Don't like the bolded, i think there are for sure reasons why someone might not want to use his readlist as a point of ingress for reading around the NK, but i think there are also definitely reasons why someone might at least give it some consideration in their solving today & it icks me a bit that you don't even give a justification. Like, otoh, like scorr & i said, it was a very spongy readlist - otoh, it condensed several thoughts that had been floated into thread (for example, my W read on you) while also lending steam to yday's day-end. It's also worth considering who was being townread by Flush, too - or whose mislunch would be made easier by a flush kill. I'm of two minds re: policy lims here, esp. considering DL changes. Think the "no better options" bit would track better for me if both teams were down to one.
in my reply, i tried to answer the question myself to see where the resulting discussion would lead: that if fire mafia wanted to use flush's kill to make a misvote easier, their day target would've probably been tos/akakakp (tos in particular here, as they weren't playing very actively d1) on the flipside, if fire maf killed flush to set up a frame, then the day targets would be me and ccgeek. akakakp is implied in the former (but it's a weak read and i more strongly believe akakakp is ice here) for being the only slot to bring up flush's readwall on their initial vote against me, and the read wall is clearly not the driving force behind the ccgeek pus |
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Post by cyan on Apr 30, 2023 3:44:12 GMT
Bussing D1 in this theme is so negative ev. Why would he ever do that? the read itself is a surface-level "dactyl wasn't trying to get clemens voted and was just on it for towncred" if that framing makes it look any better but speaking of not trying to get people voted, ironically i think aka is doing the same here with the push on dactyl and what tips me off is their progression on the read itself back to this post: cyan is way too head over heels for the clemens push for me to think it's a town push currently
his whole iso is pushing clems lol
also he doesnt show much flexibility in a multiball game
i think cyan genuinely believes he found a scum in clem
i just think cyan is scum too
dactyl had more posts than i remembered
i think he's worse than ccgeek
ccgeek hasnt rlly contributed much but is tonally pure
dactyl worse by those metrics
saving clems for ccgeek means i have to watch cyan push him nonstop d2 again
Most significant thing I can gain from FTF's iso is that they were one of two people who had SR'd Cyan (the other being Schia iirc) and likely would have pushed Cyan if they were alive. They were also literally the only person to say something about Dactyl and said thing was an SR. Personally I think Dactyl is more likely to be aligned with Clem since Clem had a lot of pushback to everyone who voted them except for Dact and does not have Dact present in their readslist (seen here) But either way I think one of Cyan/Dact flips scum. what i want to highlight here is (as indicated in cyan) that their read on dactyl, in a single post and seemingly without the connective tissue needed to make this coherent or reasonable, aka nudged towards the idea of Fire!Dactyl and Ice!Dactyl as part of a single mini-case leads me to believe aka just wants dactyl voted. inb4 "couldn't aka have just mistaken the kill sources?" doubtful. Good morning! Myan kill is wacky. I thought for sure that was Clemens' partner. o7 FTF will read your iso shortly Vote: Dactyl |
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Post by cyan on Apr 30, 2023 3:46:27 GMT
tl;dr aka's push on dactyl is just an aim at low-hanging fruit
so my point about them having given up on the game (but not in a "i can't play this anymore" type like sylveon because they clearly still intend to survive) stands stronger for it
i'd say "dactyl can't be partnered with akakakp" but i am also arguing that no one can so god forbid!
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Not like you're gonna do it, anyways.
