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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Apr 28, 2023 23:32:30 GMT
well reading the day I don't really have any definite read, I need to stay under the radar for later and I don't want to post low quality reads because they can be used against me later even though posting reads is arguebally better than doing nothing. The thing is I need more time to develop/cook I don't really have any town reads atm so ye This is town. I can't explain it but tis is town. bro what? |
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Apr 28, 2023 23:40:15 GMT
yeah its ok to forget sometimes ye sylvan is def a bit scummy from lines ig its because their reads are weird + mean is usually a good vote there's nothing towny about any of this, let alone the word salad you quoted, it's blatant trolling |
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Post by frogo on Apr 29, 2023 0:43:34 GMT
If I had to solve the game right now I would say Sylv and Lin are our fire mafias and Dact or Scorr is the remaining icey. dactyl has like 1 content post and it's voting clemens. In what world would he ever flip ice? Personally I think Dactyl is more likely to be aligned with Clem since Clem had a lot of pushback to everyone who voted them except for Dact and does not have Dact present in their readslist (seen here) |
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Post by Sylveon & Rando on Apr 29, 2023 1:36:59 GMT
Okay a lot of aka's post seem to pretend to be contributing. Will cover this more in my ISO Dive. cyan you can post your ISO dive, idrc. |
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Post by Sylveon & Rando on Apr 29, 2023 1:38:54 GMT
Don't vote me so I have fucking time to cook.
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Post by cyan on Apr 29, 2023 1:48:36 GMT
we really need to talk about how akakakp just complimented two slots today (i.e. calling them super town) and what they had in common was that both slots were sring them.
FTF already said it better than me but the way lin's posts are constructed are super townie. Easy to read, lots of solid evidence, and just the right amount of townie paranoia/indecision. As for the vote switching I thought it would be fun to see what kind of reactions I could get out of Clemens and possibly some other players. Cleared CCGeek from being ice mafia as you and Cyan already stated. Could you elaborate on the Scorr TR? They hopped on the CC wagon with me and Clems so I am surprised you didn't mention that. Editing quotes is hard on mobile so I just won’t but @linduana i in no way “deflected” from your accusation and painting that picture feels super malicious. I addressed your point head on while also asking for clarification on another part of the post. Not sold on this slot being town anymore. Cyan and Scorr had a super productive discussion and Cyan feels super town from it but for some reason I’m not getting that vibe from Scorr. Wish I could explain but something just feels off.
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Post by cyan on Apr 29, 2023 1:52:14 GMT
Okay a lot of aka's post seem to pretend to be contributing. Will cover this more in my ISO Dive. cyan you can post your ISO dive, idrc. it's... ps-mafia.proboards.com/post/93670/threadhere also considering the "pretend to be contributing" bit is a different direction than what i pulled out of it i'm just going to say that i need your isodive to progress the game |
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Post by cyan on Apr 29, 2023 1:53:03 GMT
i should emphasise my key points in cyan text in the future
but before i make that a habit, is anyone in this forum using light mode?
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Post by Sylveon & Rando on Apr 29, 2023 2:09:47 GMT
I use the "Mafia" theme, which is dark mode.  |
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Post by ihbst on Apr 29, 2023 2:25:45 GMT
vote: a kak kap
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Post by ihbst on Apr 29, 2023 2:31:21 GMT
gonna vote this for now, but maybe I'll change later. Just feel like this is a decent vote, other peoples reasons made sense
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Apr 29, 2023 11:14:59 GMT
Whoever Clemens' partner is, you are so dumb. Anyways ihbst please talk more. What prompted this btw |
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Apr 29, 2023 11:15:53 GMT
on reconsideration maybe "ccgeek is playing passive, fire mafia is acting passive so ccgeek must be fire mafia" isn't as strong of a read as i initially thought i'm staying on mainly because they promised content and i don't like people who promise content until they properly deliver for now, i'm just going to shuttle off random thoughts and continue discussion i do not see how you read that post from Akak and walk away with that conclusion, please break it down for me in crystal clear detail, ty. If anything it reaffirms the chances of them being W/W i did say it was surface level. generally i think akakakp was calling a lot of attention onto clemens yesterday and the thought that struck me was "would scum actively defend and buddy their partner that blatantly?" but with the post you pointed out earlier i think it's more likely that akakakp was simping for some inexplicable reason and trying to find that would be severely unproductive Don't like the bolded, i think there are for sure reasons why someone might not want to use his readlist as a point of ingress for reading around the NK, but i think there are also definitely reasons why someone might at least give it some consideration in their solving today & it icks me a bit that you don't even give a justification. Like, otoh, like scorr & i said, it was a very spongy readlist - otoh, it condensed several thoughts that had been floated into thread (for example, my W read on you) while also lending steam to yday's day-end. It's also worth considering who was being townread by Flush, too - or whose mislunch would be made easier by a flush kill. I'm of two minds re: policy lims here, esp. considering DL changes. Think the "no better options" bit would track better for me if both teams were down to one.
right, but we have no grasp on what fire mafia were playing at by killing ftf and until we do it's just not something i think is worth working out if we work surface-level and assume that flush's reads (and the general consensus they represent, sans the read on me) were a threat to scum, that's an immediate path to a WIFOM "but flush could've been killed to frame the scumslots!" argument it just stands out to me that for what it's worth, i think flush's death should be written off as fearkill until we get something that points us in a different direction but for the sake of engagement let me also address your latter avenue of discussion: if you think fire maf wanted to set up a misvote by killing flush, i'd say the most viable pool of misvote targets is between termsofservice and akakakp. anyone higher in the list is just not getting voted either way and anyone lower doesn't need flush to get the push running. i'm just a staunch believer that policy kills are the lazy option; we do them when nothing better stands out. i've probably been conditioned to the frequency of policy-viable players in chat mafia and the relatively common trend of scum catching on and policying them in turn oh wow, what a surprise, both your random thoughts are @ me |
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Apr 29, 2023 11:16:37 GMT
Whoever Clemens' partner is, you are so dumb. Anyways ihbst please talk more. why say this like what was the point "oops my random thoughts were all @ schia, let me say something else to someone else" |
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Apr 29, 2023 11:18:36 GMT
Welcome to ISO Dive: A series of posts where I, Sylveon & Rando, will look through a player's isolated message history to make some reads! This pilot episode is a more obvious pick, having plagued this game with filler from the very start. That's right, CCGeek! First, I will look through his ISO, commenting on each post. Then, I will compile all the evidence to make my final verdict. Enough stalling, however. Let's dive into ISO Dive, Episode 1: CCGeek, the Completely Full Glass. who is termsofservice vote: lindauna hi uwu Opening Line: Here he instantly starts useless namefinding. I will not bother you with anymore details about this. wait is this considered spamposting? He absolutely didn't need to ask this question. All it does is make the spamposting worse. "Look, I'm agreeing with somebody else! Please vote with me." - Shaun, probably oh look im a treestump now apparently. cool flavour Yet another useless message. Yes, your role changes as you post more. You don't need to post about that. oh shit not the misping aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. i used @ cyan without the space and I'm d y I n g. I would assume you would want to ping cyan here, but eh. Just another useless post. clems do u think ailura is scum This question doesnt help create discussion, it just ends with a yes/no answer and hits a dead end. He doesn't even ask again when clemens doesn't answer. As pointed out by clemens later in d1, this post is purely filler. Aka is also to blame, however. Day 2 opening message. If you're reading this and can decipher this, please let me know what the actual fuck it means. wait wtf doc dead? also what is that myan kill  Scum is not gonna tell you why they killed myan, so you don't need to ask. gn Ailura What if I hardclaim ice scum, right now  Fr tho, all I have to say is that @ cyan 1. I'm well aware pmeta is not a valid defense, but I think it might be the only defense I can give myself to your accusation. I'm aware I'm not exactly playing this game exactly how I do when I actively try to solve from the start, but I'm just using this as a relaxing game to casually play and actively play on the backfoot, rather than taking this too seriously. But yes, I frankly don't care if I'm scum to you, but I enjoy being inside the game and taking a more side role than actually duking it out front and centre. To make my activity issues clear, classes have started and I'm barely free in the day, except for the few following hours from now. @aka Dactyl has been a nonexistent slot with the only thing in their ISO being a Clems vote, that too pretty early in the game. Considering Mr Townleader over here considers me the prime push for the fire scum slot, do you think Dactyl is the wagon right now? Or was that vote just to get a wagon going? Okay the posts are starting to lean away from filler. This means I need to break down how bad this is. "What if I hardclaim ice mafia?" We vote you out for trolling.  Not like you're gonna do it, anyways. "I'm not scum, it's just pmeta!" And the colour of grass is red. Pmeta is not an excuse to filler. "Idc if you think I'm scum." MAYBE YOU SHOULD? "Dactyl isn't here, vote him." Forum mafia is much slower than on PS. Not everybody is gonna be here at the same time arguing with each other. "Is Dactyl the wagon in your opinion? Or did you just want to start a wagon?" Are you scum? Or is your role not aligned with town? Correction: I mention Dactyl's activity in one of my posts too. Also, in hindsight, do you not think that usually a partner would have somehow thrown light on the lack of activity, since it's free towncred? It's what I usually do as scum, and what I'd expect most moderately-experienced scum to pull off. Especially considering how clems threw around readlists frequently, it's slightly odd to me that he wouldn't mention afk partners at all.
"I mention dactyl being inactive too!" This is a bad attempt at coasting. "Yeah scum would totally bus lmao." Nothing to say but  Actually, on ISOing clems rn, I did find this post: Hmmm.
Now the question is, do we have a substitute? "I was reading through flipped scum's posts and found this one calling me out. Hm." If you think this clears you, I have lost all faith. "Btw do we have a sub?" Who tf do we need a sub for?!?!
This concludes the current episode of ISO Dive. Next episode will cover aka, and how they are slipping under the cracks. Overall, my final verdict for CCGeek is Probably Wolf. See you next time! trying to decide if this is scum struggling to enter thread or town struggling to enter thread |
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Apr 29, 2023 11:22:29 GMT
like there's a lot of artifice behind it, which isn't really AI, but it comes across overall as stilted in a way that like, reasonably i think could come from someone trying to get their bearings on the game and trying to brute force a post
i think i'm struggling w/ it being so singularly focused/divorced from the thread as a whole; slot probably benefits from lots of realtime interactions if anyone wants to help make it readable
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Apr 29, 2023 11:24:05 GMT
Okay I am physically exhausted from that post. Vote: CCGeek.That read was in no way meant to be a coast, btw. last part feels more like an afterthought from town than from scum, idk that someone wolfing would be so blatant about not wanting to be read that way - but also like, this is PS. isn't out of the question. |
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Apr 29, 2023 11:26:20 GMT
Running back through, kinda torn on this - I think the train of thought behind that second half is villagery at a glance, has elements of reflection w/ sound conclusion & intent-to-action that track as townie, but the first half is kind of weird. It feels kind of off to lament the Clem wagon on the basis of his activity without also considering the circumstances of that activity (he got noticeably more vocal/finicky after I & others put pressure on his slot, and into phase-end) but there's also this idea that, like... it puts the onus of game activity on the scummy slot without taking time to evaluate if that's Villagery activity or Wolfy activty, and completely sails past the consideration that other players might pick up the slack (which is a perspective idt is consistent with other players' stated opinions on the stale threadstate) like, functionally it feels like a wolf trying to swing momentum away from a partner
I get that but I was struggling to read Clemens definitively since a lot of the 'scummy' things they did were things that they had pointed out as natural behavior for them. I also don't think I would be wrong in saying that a Clemens town flip would be pretty atrocious for us considering there wasn't any other wagon that went to E-1. The part about Clemens' activity being increased after pressure I did not notice but that is also a natural reaction that I would expect any townie to have. I also made the post you quoted 2 hours before the deadline so there was no momentum to be swung. Overall I can definitely see how it could fit into the mold of a Clem partner but the general idea of my end of day pushes was not based on Clemens but rather based on trying to catch some bad reactions. Was it worth it? A little bit. Would I do it again? Definitely >:) ignoring p much everything you said in this post to zoom in on the bolded, i think there's some worldview stuff tied up in that line that needs unpacking. gonna chew on it some. |
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Apr 29, 2023 11:28:48 GMT
Why did you think Myan/Clem were partnered? What's so wacky about him dying here I don't wanna get too into it since it's not relevant anymore but I had basically convinced myself Myan was Clems' partner overnight. Myan said Clemens looked fine early on and later on gave a read on Clems that ultimately resulted in nothing. Clems' own push on Myan felt TMI due to the nitty gritty specifics of it so that combined with Clems' hesitancy to vote on Myan made me think they were partnered.  |
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Apr 29, 2023 11:29:04 GMT
can actually almost see that
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Apr 29, 2023 11:29:19 GMT
Schia you gotta stop with the acronyms I had to look up OTOH and I have no idea what ATVL means D: at the very least |
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Apr 29, 2023 11:34:46 GMT
This makes very little sense to me. If we were to go the route of Ftf getting fearkilled that would point to you/myan/ccg. How would ftf death frame tos/akakakp when they were placed under (one) v? I do see what you mean by implying that a misyeet on myan or ccg would not need to be catalyzed by an ftf kill, but I don't think a vote on you would come about so easily. there seems to have been a misunderstanding: tos and akakakp aren't slots who look scummy with ftf dead, they're slots whose push would be easier if ftf was dead. killing ftf would be the removal of an obstacle, not a step in the intended direction also i was disregarding myself in that statement so i should probably concede that ftf's death makes my push harder and you're free to take that what you will. the question schia raised was what push scum would find easier with flush out of the picture and unless scum wanted to imply that i killed flush (which in that case would point towards akakakp)i'd do an iso dive of akakakp myself but sylv was offering and having the isos posted is just generally a good thing for visibility so i'll just sit here and wait what |
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Apr 29, 2023 11:36:46 GMT
@sylv doing an ISO dive but leaving out an info-post is an interesting decision. Pulling an OMGUS Vote: Sylveon & Rando just for the lols, but seriously though, my TLs right now are aka, ailura, scorr and ihbst, in that order. (if anyone asks me why ihbst, just look at ps-mafia.proboards.com/post/93633). I am not sure what to think of cyan, schia as of now. TE should exist more. Re:sub, I meant whether Dactyl is gonna get subbed out or no, he hasn't posted about in 3 days with a total of 4 in his ISO, but i guess not yet. shaun/ihbst probably unaligned
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Apr 29, 2023 11:41:06 GMT
Kage Cyan the posts I mean are the readlist and the interaction w/ aka about schia d1 ( ps-mafia.proboards.com/post/93472 , ps-mafia.proboards.com/post/93503 ). I think ISO dives include all the posts, ESPECIALLY those that contain reads. Omitting read posts on an ISO dive feels so iffy to me, as someone who likes to do them. Speaking of which, once I do get back, I'm willing to sit through some ISOs and comment on them. Who else other than Aka does town in general want ISO'd? Tbh your read didn't really stand out, because you didn't go further with them. Unfortunately, that's one of your issues. Was thinking maybe I could read through FTF's ISO and do some NKA, but yeah Aka is the only real ISO I want. why does everyone care so much about isos, what does anyone even want from an iso anyway
like, the goal is to find scum, not find out whose posts are nicest. an ISO is helpful for establishing a player's worldview/lackthereof & getting the sense of a slot but at the end of the day it's only one aspect of, you know, discerning how someone fits into the overall context of the game as either town or scum.
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Apr 29, 2023 11:43:22 GMT
Okay before I read aka's ISO, I'm gonna do something real quick. Unvote: CCGeek, Vote: aka |
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Not like you're gonna do it, anyways.