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Post by Dactyl7 on Apr 24, 2023 4:08:49 GMT
Hey, sorry, I have desktop notifs off for discord so I didn't get the ping. I'm gonna catch up now and try to read into things a bit before bed.
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Post by ScorrchingTheaph on Apr 24, 2023 4:09:10 GMT
hello fellow townies
Vote Spiderz
Rvs
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Post by ScorrchingTheaph on Apr 24, 2023 4:12:30 GMT
Sure, I'll explain Myan for you in my pov. They stand out to me in two points: the OMGUS, and last line of post 25. OMGUS kinda explains itself, and the last line basically states that Myan would tunnel anything or anyone who posted next. This was kind of a scumtell as I am p sure that t!myan would want to advance gamestate instead of trolling like this, which I presume that s!myan would do. I have a response to this but in my experience would be better if we halted any further discuss about myan until they come back and respond to these Harsh And Extreme Accusations. oh yeah frogo while you here lemme ask you some questions: out of all the players who have posted, who is the towniest/scummiest? Scummiest is tos Towniest is me towniest player in the thread |
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Post by Dactyl7 on Apr 24, 2023 4:16:26 GMT
I'm voting MyanMarina and I'm not looking back. VOTE MyanMarioMyanMarina kek are you sure you are parked just tell us if so Yeah, no, why would you ever say this lmfao Vote 我是谁?
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Post by Dactyl7 on Apr 24, 2023 4:16:51 GMT
Hi scorr
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Post by ScorrchingTheaph on Apr 24, 2023 4:20:55 GMT
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Post by Dactyl7 on Apr 24, 2023 4:21:05 GMT
I'll be back online in about 10 hours or so, gn
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Post by ScorrchingTheaph on Apr 24, 2023 4:23:24 GMT
oh shit not an Ex RO also idk how to do self intros so here goes: Indian Teenager TM, Certified Card Game Nerd, Probably edgy (Linkin Park Enjoyer), INTJ-T Speaking of mafia identity: I have strong earlygame but non-existant midgame+endgame (what getting lynched by d2 consistently in forums does to a mf). Favourite Faction: Furries, Favourite Role: Jailkeeper Clemens you still did not answer what the moonglyphs in your name mean. also shouldn't u be asleep 我是谁? is three words made from simplified chinese (not the question mark), and pronounced wo3 shi4 shui2 (cyan check my pinyin). It literally translates to "who am I?". This is a reference to the pokemon anime, as “我是谁?” is the Chinese equivalent of "Who's that Pokemon". Also a reference to mafia obviously. No not asleep, it's 19:56 at the time of my post bro i got sidetracked and looked this up. i never knew that it was "supposed to be" pronounced shui and not shei |
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Post by iavh on Apr 24, 2023 5:20:22 GMT
don't like how I actually try to push myan and you guys just wont let me
I am only activelly pushing and not passively pushing gg
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Post by iavh on Apr 24, 2023 5:27:00 GMT
unvote schiavote termsofserviceI said I would. this vote gets off the omgus (might be avoiding suspicion) alr I am getting off my rvs VOTE: MYAN |
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Post by iavh on Apr 24, 2023 5:35:15 GMT
it's 8 AM and i have some Serious Thoughts - clem v. myan seems to be a big cross and it's entirely driven by clem's single-minded push on them BUT clem has yet to place the vote - clem is partly shitposting and partly trying to hold other members to a higher standard (see: "that last line was really sus", "i need people to describe their playstyle", getting pissed at CCGeek (or was it TE?) faux-calling the PL motherfuckers) - and a bigger point: clem's higher effort posts don't actually delve into who might be scum/town and just. look. i dunno what kinda vibes are we getting out of "i need all the newer players to describe their playstyle" Vote 我是谁 -I voted them now happy? -well you mean I can't push people? -Getting new pplayers o talk about forum playstyle tells us a lot, and it gets people online. your argument is invalid |
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Post by lindauna on Apr 24, 2023 7:31:47 GMT
Gonna try compile my thoughts here into a post or two before the end of the day, I'd like to talk about the clemens slot and interactions.
Few people have already commented on the tunnel vision from Clemens, but
I like the way you think but definitely reading into things too much hmmm… defending myan? let me just note that down also who are you on MS? Not sure why this reads as "defending Myan" and not a genuine question on the reasoning behind the analysis here, Clemens has not solidified this read when questioned. This is something I've noted in the interactions between Clemens/Cyan Talon and Clemens/Schiavetto as well. Example below: it's 8 AM and i have some Serious Thoughts - clem v. myan seems to be a big cross and it's entirely driven by clem's single-minded push on them BUT clem has yet to place the vote - clem is partly shitposting and partly trying to hold other members to a higher standard (see: "that last line was really sus", "i need people to describe their playstyle", getting pissed at CCGeek (or was it TE?) faux-calling the PL motherfuckers) - and a bigger point: clem's higher effort posts don't actually delve into who might be scum/town and just. look. i dunno what kinda vibes are we getting out of "i need all the newer players to describe their playstyle" Vote 我是谁 -I voted them now happy? -well you mean I can't push people? -Getting new pplayers o talk about forum playstyle tells us a lot, and it gets people online. your argument is invalid
Really not a fan of these last few lines from clemens as it neither engages with the game state nor directly addresses valid lines of inquiry from other players. The vote on Myan to avoid an SR for how hard they pushed is scummy, I feel the discussion about new players is quite NAI. Hoping Clemens can elaborate more on the Myan read beyond apparent OMGUS and one "sus line" ("next person to talk is scum and ill tunnel em tomorrow" - reads troll rather than scum). Think Clemens scum indicative here.
Briefly addressing CCGeek here, I disagree with Clemen's statement that CCGeek's one line interactions with the game indicate distancing from Myan. Myan has stated "shaun seems fake af- either that or theyre awkward, lmk!". Seems like a genuine push as CCGeek lines read low effort attempts at gathering information on who's in the game and getting engagement from afks. However, they do seem new so i'll wait for more posts from this slot first.
unvote: spiderz vote: 我是谁 |
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Post by cyan on Apr 24, 2023 10:58:21 GMT
我是谁? is three words made from simplified chinese (not the question mark), and pronounced wo3 shi4 shui2 (cyan check my pinyin). It literally translates to "who am I?". This is a reference to the pokemon anime, as “我是谁?” is the Chinese equivalent of "Who's that Pokemon". Also a reference to mafia obviously. No not asleep, it's 19:56 at the time of my post bro i got sidetracked and looked this up. i never knew that it was "supposed to be" pronounced shui and not shei it is, in fact, both pronunciations (shei is the more common one) i will return with actual input after my flight lands and if i don't please assume my phone lost itself somewhere in an Indonesian forest (i'm too strong to die) |
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Post by lindauna on Apr 24, 2023 11:04:47 GMT
Alright looking back Clemens slot is ambiguous as bad town =/= scum but there has been some attempt to scumhunt and make reads albeit the shaky reasoning, personally find their take on Myan to be a bit of a stretch but looking back they did have a line on CCGeek which deviated from their tunnel and: oh cool tos is thunder. who is schiavetto tho? i need to know yall at face value atleast This is one of two attempts from CCGeek to engage with the game. They casted a single vote on me during RVS and made multiple NAI/fillery posts interacting with other users. also like: where the are rest of the ppl. I'm p sure only 6-7 ppl have spoken so far And this is as far as their game engagement goes. This is worse than Clemens since CCGeek is purely focused on identifying users, shitposty/NAI content, and calling on the afks to speak. None of these actions have led to or hinted at reads.
unvote 我是谁
vote Shaun-CCGeek
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Post by cyan on Apr 24, 2023 16:00:31 GMT
i'm back and i have a few thoughts. this is post 1 where i casebuild and get this over with my stance on clemens has not changed. i firmly believe that their fervent push on myan adds up to jack shit and they're aware of it don't like how I actually try to push myan and you guys just wont let me I am only activelly pushing and not passively pushing gg like come on! this screams so much like "look at me, i'm doing what town does, i'm pursuing a scumread" and they haven't repeated any of the two (flimsy) points they made in their past few posts. and in case we all need a reminder i'm going to just let the actual reasoning behind the myan wagon sit on its own pedestal for all of us to admire: Sure, I'll explain Myan for you in my pov. They stand out to me in two points: the OMGUS, and last line of post 25. OMGUS kinda explains itself, and the last line basically states that Myan would tunnel anything or anyone who posted next. This was kind of a scumtell as I am p sure that t!myan would want to advance gamestate instead of trolling like this, which I presume that s!myan would do. this isn't a read complex enough to warrant the kind of defensiveness clemens has been playing with these past few days. clemens is the vote of the day and if someone wants to contest it on grounds other than "Player X is a better vote" i'd like you to address all of clemens's recent posts when you do that and if you're wondering what i think after all of this, myan + clemens remains my bet for one of the scumteams. imagine i sponged schia's read again (if you missed it, it's clemens's "hey are you actually parked on myan" post before they went on this micrograin of a push), but also match it up with how myan has largely just... ignored the otherwise fairly large pressure on them and continued to play passively |
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Post by cyan on Apr 24, 2023 16:09:39 GMT
i do also have a few words for lindauna because i think they're playing in a way that needs coaching: i'm a little bothered by their read progression because it kind looks like two minds approaching the game differently. here's post 1 of lindauna talking about clemens's push on myan: Gonna try compile my thoughts here into a post or two before the end of the day, I'd like to talk about the clemens slot and interactions.
Few people have already commented on the tunnel vision from Clemens, but
hmmm… defending myan? let me just note that down also who are you on MS? Not sure why this reads as "defending Myan" and not a genuine question on the reasoning behind the analysis here, Clemens has not solidified this read when questioned. This is something I've noted in the interactions between Clemens/Cyan Talon and Clemens/Schiavetto as well. Example below: -I voted them now happy? -well you mean I can't push people? -Getting new pplayers o talk about forum playstyle tells us a lot, and it gets people online. your argument is invalid Really not a fan of these last few lines from clemens as it neither engages with the game state nor directly addresses valid lines of inquiry from other players. The vote on Myan to avoid an SR for how hard they pushed is scummy, I feel the discussion about new players is quite NAI. Hoping Clemens can elaborate more on the Myan read beyond apparent OMGUS and one "sus line" ("next person to talk is scum and ill tunnel em tomorrow" - reads troll rather than scum). Think Clemens scum indicative here.
Briefly addressing CCGeek here, I disagree with Clemen's statement that CCGeek's one line interactions with the game indicate distancing from Myan. Myan has stated "shaun seems fake af- either that or theyre awkward, lmk!". Seems like a genuine push as CCGeek lines read low effort attempts at gathering information on who's in the game and getting engagement from afks. However, they do seem new so i'll wait for more posts from this slot first.
unvote: spiderz vote: 我是谁 what you will now notice is that the gist of the push is "clemens does not explain their read on myan when pressured about it, and this reads scum-aligned" (if i get this wrong please correct me) the post right after backtracks and instead says "clemens is trying to scumhunt and make reads even though their reasoning is generally poor" Alright looking back Clemens slot is ambiguous as bad town =/= scum but there has been some attempt to scumhunt and make reads albeit the shaky reasoning, personally find their take on Myan to be a bit of a stretch but looking back they did have a line on CCGeek which deviated from their tunnel and: oh cool tos is thunder. who is schiavetto tho? i need to know yall at face value atleast This is one of two attempts from CCGeek to engage with the game. They casted a single vote on me during RVS and made multiple NAI/fillery posts interacting with other users. also like: where the are rest of the ppl. I'm p sure only 6-7 ppl have spoken so far And this is as far as their game engagement goes. This is worse than Clemens since CCGeek is purely focused on identifying users, shitposty/NAI content, and calling on the afks to speak. None of these actions have led to or hinted at reads.
unvote 我是谁
vote Shaun-CCGeek
i'm going to set aside the fact that they immediately gunned for CCGeek after looking at posts calling them out, and while their posts sound like sensible arguments in isolation i think it's also fair enough to say that CCGeek is too new to expect any more activity than the bare minimum. ultimately i want to pose a question: who is scummier? is it clemens, who has been pushing reads and doubling down on them but not explaining them past the original post? or is it CCGeek, who is doing primarily IIoA and low-effort play? and i do want this considered with the "bad town =/= scum" lens intact because to me one of these behaviors reads as bad town and one of them reads fake town |
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Post by frogo on Apr 24, 2023 16:17:14 GMT
it's 8 AM and i have some Serious Thoughts - clem v. myan seems to be a big cross and it's entirely driven by clem's single-minded push on them BUT clem has yet to place the vote - clem is partly shitposting and partly trying to hold other members to a higher standard (see: "that last line was really sus", "i need people to describe their playstyle", getting pissed at CCGeek (or was it TE?) faux-calling the PL motherfuckers) - and a bigger point: clem's higher effort posts don't actually delve into who might be scum/town and just. look. i dunno what kinda vibes are we getting out of "i need all the newer players to describe their playstyle" Vote 我是谁 MyanMarina kek are you sure you are parked just tell us if so but also this quote makes me wonder, actually: is it likely myan and clem are buddies and clem is forcing distance after this fallout? Not a fan of the above two posts from Cyan. We are not very far into the game whatsoever and it feels like you're trying to exaggerate the conflict between Clemens and Myan in order to secure them as FoS for today -- which is also seen in the next quote where you try to cement "Clemens is the vote today" after what only 4 pages? i'm back and i have a few thoughts. this is post 1 where i casebuild and get this over with my stance on clemens has not changed. i firmly believe that their fervent push on myan adds up to jack shit and they're aware of it don't like how I actually try to push myan and you guys just wont let me I am only activelly pushing and not passively pushing gg like come on! this screams so much like "look at me, i'm doing what town does, i'm pursuing a scumread" and they haven't repeated any of the two (flimsy) points they made in their past few posts. and in case we all need a reminder i'm going to just let the actual reasoning behind the myan wagon sit on its own pedestal for all of us to admire: Sure, I'll explain Myan for you in my pov. They stand out to me in two points: the OMGUS, and last line of post 25. OMGUS kinda explains itself, and the last line basically states that Myan would tunnel anything or anyone who posted next. This was kind of a scumtell as I am p sure that t!myan would want to advance gamestate instead of trolling like this, which I presume that s!myan would do. this isn't a read complex enough to warrant the kind of defensiveness clemens has been playing with these past few days. clemens is the vote of the day and if someone wants to contest it on grounds other than "Player X is a better vote" i'd like you to address all of clemens's recent posts when you do that and if you're wondering what i think after all of this, myan + clemens remains my bet for one of the scumteams. imagine i sponged schia's read again (if you missed it, it's clemens's "hey are you actually parked on myan" post before they went on this micrograin of a push), but also match it up with how myan has largely just... ignored the otherwise fairly large pressure on them and continued to play passively However I love the callout of Clemens being LAMIST, I can understand it completely from a town pov and said callout was the result of getting Clemens to react to Cyan. So while I don't love how Cyan went about approaching the Clemens push, if Clemens is scum it seemed to have worked out perfectly. Whether or not Clemens is actually scum I am unsure. I believe they said in their intro that they look scummy all the time and it's true, they do, so I am trying to give them some benefit of the doubt. |
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Post by frogo on Apr 24, 2023 16:19:56 GMT
MyanMarina kek are you sure you are parked just tell us if so Yeah, no, why would you ever say this lmfao Vote 我是谁?
"Why would you ever say this" as town? Or just in general? Would like a more thought-out reason for your clemens vote |
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Post by frogo on Apr 24, 2023 16:29:11 GMT
-I voted them now happy? -well you mean I can't push people? -Getting new pplayers o talk about forum playstyle tells us a lot, and it gets people online. your argument is invalid Really not a fan of these last few lines from clemens as it neither engages with the game state nor directly addresses valid lines of inquiry from other players. The vote on Myan to avoid an SR for how hard they pushed is scummy, I feel the discussion about new players is quite NAI. Hoping Clemens can elaborate more on the Myan read beyond apparent OMGUS and one "sus line" ("next person to talk is scum and ill tunnel em tomorrow" - reads troll rather than scum). Think Clemens scum indicative here.
Clemens is pushing too hard on Myan but also needs to elaborate more on their read? How is voting their scumread trying to avoid getting SR'd? Not sure i'm following. Briefly addressing CCGeek here, I disagree with Clemen's statement that CCGeek's one line interactions with the game indicate distancing from Myan. Myan has stated "shaun seems fake af- either that or theyre awkward, lmk!". Seems like a genuine push as CCGeek lines read low effort attempts at gathering information on who's in the game and getting engagement from afks. However, they do seem new so i'll wait for more posts from this slot first.
unvote: spiderz vote: 我是谁 Do you think Myan is town then? |
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Post by iavh on Apr 24, 2023 16:44:26 GMT
Really not a fan of these last few lines from clemens as it neither engages with the game state nor directly addresses valid lines of inquiry from other players. The vote on Myan to avoid an SR for how hard they pushed is scummy, I feel the discussion about new players is quite NAI. Hoping Clemens can elaborate more on the Myan read beyond apparent OMGUS and one "sus line" ("next person to talk is scum and ill tunnel em tomorrow" - reads troll rather than scum). Think Clemens scum indicative here.
Clemens is pushing too hard on Myan but also needs to elaborate more on their read? How is voting their scumread trying to avoid getting SR'd? Not sure i'm following. Briefly addressing CCGeek here, I disagree with Clemen's statement that CCGeek's one line interactions with the game indicate distancing from Myan. Myan has stated "shaun seems fake af- either that or theyre awkward, lmk!". Seems like a genuine push as CCGeek lines read low effort attempts at gathering information on who's in the game and getting engagement from afks. However, they do seem new so i'll wait for more posts from this slot first.
unvote: spiderz vote: 我是谁 Do you think Myan is town then? No I think Myan just made some random read and shifted off Schia just to stop getting pushed by me but no I push EVEN MORE HAHAHAHA |
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Post by frogo on Apr 24, 2023 16:53:13 GMT
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Post by MyanMario on Apr 24, 2023 17:03:45 GMT
Clemens is pushing too hard on Myan but also needs to elaborate more on their read? How is voting their scumread trying to avoid getting SR'd? Not sure i'm following. Do you think Myan is town then? No I think Myan just made some random read and shifted off Schia just to stop getting pushed by me but no I push EVEN MORE HAHAHAHA boy we both know that your push will end in failure. |
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Post by lindauna on Apr 24, 2023 17:50:01 GMT
i do also have a few words for lindauna because i think they're playing in a way that needs coaching: i'm a little bothered by their read progression because it kind looks like two minds approaching the game differently. here's post 1 of lindauna talking about clemens's push on myan: Gonna try compile my thoughts here into a post or two before the end of the day, I'd like to talk about the clemens slot and interactions.
Few people have already commented on the tunnel vision from Clemens, but
Not sure why this reads as "defending Myan" and not a genuine question on the reasoning behind the analysis here, Clemens has not solidified this read when questioned. This is something I've noted in the interactions between Clemens/Cyan Talon and Clemens/Schiavetto as well. Example below: Really not a fan of these last few lines from clemens as it neither engages with the game state nor directly addresses valid lines of inquiry from other players. The vote on Myan to avoid an SR for how hard they pushed is scummy, I feel the discussion about new players is quite NAI. Hoping Clemens can elaborate more on the Myan read beyond apparent OMGUS and one "sus line" ("next person to talk is scum and ill tunnel em tomorrow" - reads troll rather than scum). Think Clemens scum indicative here.
Briefly addressing CCGeek here, I disagree with Clemen's statement that CCGeek's one line interactions with the game indicate distancing from Myan. Myan has stated "shaun seems fake af- either that or theyre awkward, lmk!". Seems like a genuine push as CCGeek lines read low effort attempts at gathering information on who's in the game and getting engagement from afks. However, they do seem new so i'll wait for more posts from this slot first.
unvote: spiderz vote: 我是谁 what you will now notice is that the gist of the push is "clemens does not explain their read on myan when pressured about it, and this reads scum-aligned" (if i get this wrong please correct me) the post right after backtracks and instead says "clemens is trying to scumhunt and make reads even though their reasoning is generally poor" Alright looking back Clemens slot is ambiguous as bad town =/= scum but there has been some attempt to scumhunt and make reads albeit the shaky reasoning, personally find their take on Myan to be a bit of a stretch but looking back they did have a line on CCGeek which deviated from their tunnel and: This is one of two attempts from CCGeek to engage with the game. They casted a single vote on me during RVS and made multiple NAI/fillery posts interacting with other users. And this is as far as their game engagement goes. This is worse than Clemens since CCGeek is purely focused on identifying users, shitposty/NAI content, and calling on the afks to speak. None of these actions have led to or hinted at reads.
unvote 我是谁
vote Shaun-CCGeek
i'm going to set aside the fact that they immediately gunned for CCGeek after looking at posts calling them out, and while their posts sound like sensible arguments in isolation i think it's also fair enough to say that CCGeek is too new to expect any more activity than the bare minimum. ultimately i want to pose a question: who is scummier? is it clemens, who has been pushing reads and doubling down on them but not explaining them past the original post? or is it CCGeek, who is doing primarily IIoA and low-effort play? and i do want this considered with the "bad town =/= scum" lens intact because to me one of these behaviors reads as bad town and one of them reads fake town Gonna try address both the post above and the posts by akakakap here. The initial reason I SRed Clemens came from this line in response to Schia saying "I'm not looking back" which is 我是谁? Avatar yesterday at 12:04am 我是谁? said: MyanMarina kek are you sure you are parked just tell us if so At first glance I found it scummy but now, I see this as a genuine misunderstanding of the phrase "I'm not looking back" and an attempt to seek clarification, and I see this line at the heart of most Clemens scumreads in this thread (including my first post). Not sure if it was a language barrier issue but looking back I didn't see this as a strong justification for a Clemens SR. I also took a look at their previous championship game to get an idea of how they play and tbh, their playstyle does tend to read scum due to their reactions to being pushed and questioned. Also this latest line: "No I think Myan just made some random read and shifted off Schia just to stop getting pushed by me but no I push EVEN MORE HAHAHAHA" This kinda explains the pressure without the justification as they were going off early rvs/trolly uso and I feel dwelling on Clemens posts isn't helpful. In this present game state there are other slots worth pressuring like CCGeek. I don't think there has been enough meaningful contribution from CCGeek, I'm waiting to hear from them in hopes of resolving that slot as they're the biggest SL for me so far. Some contributions from Myan and CCGeek would really help advance the game, staying on my vote for now. |
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Post by iavh on Apr 24, 2023 18:17:42 GMT
No I think Myan just made some random read and shifted off Schia just to stop getting pushed by me but no I push EVEN MORE HAHAHAHA boy we both know that your push will end in failure. yea that post by me was a bit too caps how you sure already? getting your scumpartner to chainsaw defense me? good luck with that gg |
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Post by ihbst on Apr 24, 2023 19:11:09 GMT
fire and ice
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