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Post by Alexander489 on Jun 27, 2023 21:13:47 GMT
what do you even mean by this incapable of multiquoting,im pointing out that your thought process in voting me over winsy doesnt make sense How do you know my thought process anyway lol. But read what aka said and then read my vote again. You’re acting as if i sr winsy marginally more than you. Winsy is literally afk. You are anti town. |
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Post by Alexander489 on Jun 28, 2023 4:06:01 GMT
this is prob gonna be extended even more isnt it
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Post by lindauna on Jun 28, 2023 8:00:24 GMT
So I've gone though the entire thread and dived deeper into a couple slots that caught my attention (winsy tiny, aka, alex, mmib, motogp). I feel like the lack of content/engagement from certain slots is making it harder
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alex- One of the first to proactively engage and scumhunt in the thread, their line of inquiry to their wagon reads town to me. I like their engagement with others throughout the game and I feel their reads have contributed the most to gamestate so far. I their isoed posts immediately strike as a gutread town slot asw and I like most of their posts from D2&3.
litt- litt led the mmib sr and has been very proactive in pushing sr slots, consistent read progression. I agree with their Poe of Alex aka cuddsz as town and their posts havw progressed the thread a lot.
aka- Consistent reads, early attempts to lead town, good Poe. There attempts at getting thread engagement from less active slots reads genuine town. Slightly dislike the early focus on inactive slots but i believe their read shift to moto is genuine here.
cuddsz- think the VT role was softed by TanPat and justifies the gossiper discard, i agree with the general sentiment that this is a mechanically locked town slot.
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myan- I'd like to see more posts from this slot before making a read, but for now myan is a mild tl because their D1 aka/clems read and subsequent votes seem town, don't agree with the faction thing but that's NAI. However, I don't like how they sheeped a wagon without providing further justification and I'd like to hear their reasoning on the moto vote.
moto- no idea why he opened with a Clemens SR after he flipped and asked for a massclaim right after subbing in + tunneled on Alex. However I feel like the Alex read coming from moto is simply because Alex had the most content to engage with at that point and he did shift to winsy/myan. Would like to hear more justification from moto especially pertaining to them shifting off an afk slot to another afk slot. I feel most of my reason to sr moto comes from a rocky start when they joined the game before they finished reading so I'd like to hear more from them atm.
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ihbst- Not a fan of the content and engagement they've had with the thread especially in the early game, I do agree with cuddsz being town and windy being a good vote but this seems quite low effort. This slot also lacks game engagement which I don't like and from previous games I've seen them actively push and justify their reads later in game which doesn't seem to be the case here.
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winsy tiny- This was the first slot to catch my attention reading back, and all the reads from this slot has been suuuuper flippant. From opening with a justification against discard meta to their Alex/aka srs and voting the slot they weren't actively pushing, to their weird cross with mmib which seemed quite low effort and read tmi on both sides I feel like this slot flips scum regardless of whether they're aligned with mmib or not. Will elaborate further on this.
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Post by lindauna on Jun 28, 2023 12:25:09 GMT
I'm gonna dive right into the winsy tiny iso here, but a couple of general remarks first.
1. I'm not a fan of their tone here as it gives a very flippant/defensive stance without much scumhunting intent
2. Inconsistencies between their reads and vote/lack of follow up on their reads
3. The bulk of their engagement and SRs are limited to those on their wagon I'll elaborate further on these reasons as I go through their iso. I don't like how these two posts are their first instance of game engagement:
Alr Good Morning for real this time. Discard Meta isn't real, so I won't judge anyone based on it. In regards to my own role picking, I pick based on what is fun, which kinda factors into why I think discard meta isn't real. Anyway, Sac is a boring role, change my mind Also would like to point out that like, half the people in here think my discard is scummy, and no one is voting me Just food for thought So this goes back to point 1- the tone of this post is quite defensive. To me, the first message reads as if they're operating on the assumption "my discard is scummy -> I will be SRed -> I must preemptively defend myself". This is somewhat NAI in isolation but I feel the tone of these posts and the unnecessary early justification coming from them isn't great. The second post is something I can see coming from a town perspective if they were actively being SRed. However their reaction is quite exaggerated as only aka and clemens spoke about the sacrifice discard as a mild sl and there were no strong SRs this early into the day. Overall, not a fan of the defensive tone and preemptive counter to being SRed before there was any incentive to vote their slot.
This was followed by a clemens vote, and their next noteworthy post is:
It's either between alex or akakakp for right now, based on their interactions over this whole scumread on me, although now im leaning towards akakap once reading it again Their entire game engagement at this point has been limited to the people on their wagon, bringing me to point 2. Their vote on clemens and subsequent shift to sring alex and aka after clemens got off the SRs on IC and Sacrifice is really poor game engagement. At this point I felt like aka was mostly leading town, had follow ups and good prods with other slots. Alex had the most game engagement and actively gave a direction for the discussion and I feel the justification that "these two people SR me so they're scum" is really weak and makes me SR winsy tiny as there is no effort to scumhunt here.
(I acknowledge this could be influenced by hindsight bias as I read the entire thread and TRed alex and aka before isoing this but I feel the point about engagement still stands) It is interesting to note that after the aka sr, winsy votes alex and says:
Who knows, maybe ill change my vote b4 i leave I don't want to misvote, especially since so much of the pl isn't here, so Im just going to keep my vote on alexfor now, and hope we get subs or activity from the absent players, and maybe an xtension. This goes back to point 1 (flippant tone) and point 3 (read/vote inconsistency). If you have a strong SR on aka, why would you vote Alex and indicate you're willing to shift anywhere? There have also been posts in between talking about aka's inconsistent tone where they say: "This feeds into the point I was making about akakakp earlier, where they were pressuring alex, feels like they just start pushing, then either stop, or flip their reasoning. Feels weird" I feel it is rather strange for winsy to remain parked on Alex for as long as they did when all their posts have actively been SRing aka. It simply doesn't make sense, and they followed up by voting MMIB into fingerlings by EOD, the latter of which was a pretty strong TR in the thread. I feel the tone of many posts here, limited engagement in the thread (they later engaged with MMIB upon being prodded, which I will address) and the general inconsistencies between their posts and their votes are all worth considering.
This is my strongest early SR, do lmk if I've missed anything out here. Will post again soon comparing winsy/mmib interactions and motogp iso if I have time.
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Post by frogo on Jun 28, 2023 13:10:39 GMT
Gud posts, tysm for your input lin. I hard agree that a town!ihbst should have started trying by now considering over a third of the initial players have died/flipped. You could be right about Winsy having TMI about MMIB. Winsy moved their vote off of MMIB like pretty soon after place it without even confronting MMIB anymore which is, weird, but feels almost too weird? It could definitely be something like, MMIB telling Winsy to get their vote somewhere else in scum chat, which is why it would look so weird. Agh. The more and more I look, the more I can see Winsy flipping red. One second, let me read their posts again Tbh, Nothing terrible from what I've read so far, The main thing is that all their posts feel surface level, and don't have the most substance to them Their initial posts felt more townie, especially when they interacted with akakakp, but then it felt like they were posting for the sake of posting, rather than getting anywhere Like this post is just a whole bunch of nothing. What was the conclusion here? MMIB's posts felt townie and also scummy? This lack of a conclusive read is only resolved when wallape specifically asks "are they town or are they scum?" in which Winsy says they are scum, votes them, and then like I said, they drop it almost right after. And then when we are trying to converge onto one wagon, Winsy is nowhere to be seen? And then D2 they never bring up MMIB again? Again it's hard to say whether some of this is just pure inactivity since we've had a lot of that but I know that if I were Winsy and my two partners just got killed I wouldn't feel the most motivation in the world to come back to posting. Apologies if this post is a bit of a mess because it feels like it is, but I think these are all relevant points to look through. I've already motioned for fingerlings to shoot Winsy but I'm also tentatively removing Winsy from my "not mafioso" pool. |
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Post by Alexander489 on Jun 28, 2023 13:37:44 GMT
ye I mean I’m 100% for a winsy vote asw, the more I was looking into moto’s tone and stuff the more it felt like his usual frustrated town tone. It’s very hard to tell in a forum game though where ever sentence can be thought out or planned.
not sure if winsy flips red or not but do think they have a legitimate shot at being scum. I still don’t understand their flip flop reasoning on me and aka, especially when they seemed to have been pushing aka way harder but voted me.
I would still like a claim, which I’m not sure is gonna happen.
But fuck it, we ball.
unvote moto
Vote winsy
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Post by ihbst on Jun 28, 2023 16:04:40 GMT
oh oops
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Post by ihbst on Jun 28, 2023 16:06:01 GMT
imma read up
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Post by ihbst on Jun 28, 2023 16:07:54 GMT
btw: n1 iamveryhappy n2 mmib
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Post by lindauna on Jun 28, 2023 16:12:50 GMT
I'm gonna keep this a bit more concise as I do wanna get to motogp before dl, I think Aka covered some of what I wanted to say regarding the MMIB/winsy interactions. I'lll be focusing on winsy but i wanna point out MMIB's vote went ihbst/shaun/myan/winsy, i think ihbst/myan are good slots to look into after we resolve winsy and moto.
Anyway, winsy read through MMIB upon being prompted by wape, and I wanna draw attention to these two posts:
One second, let me read their posts again
Tbh, Nothing terrible from what I've read so far, The main thing is that all their posts feel surface level, and don't have the most substance to them Their initial posts felt more townie, especially when they interacted with akakakp, but then it felt like they were posting for the sake of posting, rather than getting anywhere. yeah id say this is a good assessment of mmib, the back & forth was def the towniest part of his iso if you had to pick, would you say they're town or are they scum If i had to say right now, sl for now, but a tenative sl, only bcs the activity is so low, its hard to make accurate reads without feeling like you have the full picture. I would like to see more interaction with other ppl before I would definitively put them as scum or not.
I don't think this read progression is very natural, how is a slot both "nothing terrible" and "felt townie" yet had "surface level" posts and "don't have the most substance" and "it felt like they were posting for the sake of posting, rather than getting anywhere."? I feel winsy kinda just went around in circles trying to fabricate a MMIB townread while not having a good reason to TR (possible TMI?) and completely backtraced into calling it a "tentative sl but idk" and this entire interaction feels like hedging. Not sure if this was a mutual attempt to buss but this interaction feels unnatural both in terms of tone and content and is super on the fence which I dislike about this slot as a whole.
Gud posts, tysm for your input lin. I hard agree that a town!ihbst should have started trying by now considering over a third of the initial players have died/flipped. You could be right about Winsy having TMI about MMIB. Winsy moved their vote off of MMIB like pretty soon after place it without even confronting MMIB anymore which is, weird, but feels almost too weird? It could definitely be something like, MMIB telling Winsy to get their vote somewhere else in scum chat, which is why it would look so weird. Agh. The more and more I look, the more I can see Winsy flipping red. Tbh, Nothing terrible from what I've read so far, The main thing is that all their posts feel surface level, and don't have the most substance to them Their initial posts felt more townie, especially when they interacted with akakakp, but then it felt like they were posting for the sake of posting, rather than getting anywhere Like this post is just a whole bunch of nothing. What was the conclusion here? MMIB's posts felt townie and also scummy? This lack of a conclusive read is only resolved when wallape specifically asks "are they town or are they scum?" in which Winsy says they are scum, votes them, and then like I said, they drop it almost right after. And then when we are trying to converge onto one wagon, Winsy is nowhere to be seen? And then D2 they never bring up MMIB again? Again it's hard to say whether some of this is just pure inactivity since we've had a lot of that but I know that if I were Winsy and my two partners just got killed I wouldn't feel the most motivation in the world to come back to posting. Apologies if this post is a bit of a mess because it feels like it is, but I think these are all relevant points to look through. I've already motioned for fingerlings to shoot Winsy but I'm also tentatively removing Winsy from my "not mafioso" pool.
I pretty much agree with what aka is saying here, their interactions with MMIB are pretty ingenuine and posted for the sake of responding to wallape. I feel like this slot is just scum because of the suboptimal quality of engagement they've had throughout the game, the only somewhat original read from them was on fingerlings vote for lack of analysis (when fingerlings was actively contributing to town/making a bunch of orgiginal reads on aka/shaun/pcb and on the mmib wagon which really read town). Overall I feel like this is the vote for all the reasons mentioned above, even if they don't flip mafia I think this slot flips scum.
In case I don't get back in time I'll just summarize my thoughts on moto here:
Their early iso is really bad and I don't like their engagement w the clemens slot/sr on Alex for the sake of him being the only one having content. I feel like their rocky start here made them a SR however their subsequent posts and them redacting the tunnel on Alex to vote myan/winsy reads towny to me. If this play were to be made by someone new to mafia I'd be inclined to TR the slot however I feel moto is more than competent as scum and I'm gonna mark this as null for now. I'd vote winsy for now, but I feel motogp/ihbst/myan are good vig slots, tho myan appears to be the towniest of the 3 imo.
Hoping we can get more game engagement here, particularly from myan and ihbst. I'll try return before dl if I can.
vote winsy tiny
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Post by ihbst on Jun 28, 2023 16:13:26 GMT
oh ememib and windy died key
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Post by ihbst on Jun 28, 2023 16:13:39 GMT
kek
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Post by ihbst on Jun 28, 2023 16:14:44 GMT
nvm
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Post by ihbst on Jun 28, 2023 16:15:52 GMT
vote moto
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Post by ihbst on Jun 28, 2023 16:19:24 GMT
I think my role is actually useful and it becomes significantly more useful if we massclaim oh im gambit pubop |
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Post by ihbst on Jun 28, 2023 16:19:57 GMT
isn't there a vigil around
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Post by ihbst on Jun 28, 2023 16:22:54 GMT
invite moto then vote vins
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Post by ihbst on Jun 28, 2023 16:23:05 GMT
vote winsy
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Post by ihbst on Jun 28, 2023 16:28:31 GMT
I dont like some off akkkaakp reads in hindsight
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Post by ihbst on Jun 28, 2023 16:35:32 GMT
so yeah I dont like aka slots(posts feel off and it feels like here is an agenda) Litt(suss sub, doesn't really add anything), windy (I think this slot is non-commintal and has weak vote logic)
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Post by frogo on Jun 28, 2023 16:45:15 GMT
btw: n1 iamveryhappy n2 mmib MMIB died D2 soooo I would shoot this fingerlings |
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Post by frogo on Jun 28, 2023 16:47:50 GMT
@winsy Tinsy claim
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Post by Snaq ◢ ◤ on Jun 28, 2023 17:08:04 GMT
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Post by litteleven on Jun 28, 2023 17:14:28 GMT
btw: n1 iamveryhappy n2 mmib did you successfully submit a dead player as a target for a gambit pubcop |
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Post by litteleven on Jun 28, 2023 17:16:06 GMT
btw: n1 iamveryhappy n2 mmib MMIB died D2 soooo I would shoot this fingerlings lmao agree |
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