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Post by ihbst on Jun 28, 2023 17:24:15 GMT
who should I do
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Post by Alexander489 on Jun 28, 2023 17:28:35 GMT
btw: n1 iamveryhappy n2 mmib i |
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Post by litteleven on Jun 28, 2023 17:33:39 GMT
I'm gonna dive right into the winsy tiny iso here, but a couple of general remarks first.
1. I'm not a fan of their tone here as it gives a very flippant/defensive stance without much scumhunting intent
2. Inconsistencies between their reads and vote/lack of follow up on their reads
3. The bulk of their engagement and SRs are limited to those on their wagon I'll elaborate further on these reasons as I go through their iso. I don't like how these two posts are their first instance of game engagement:
Alr Good Morning for real this time. Discard Meta isn't real, so I won't judge anyone based on it. In regards to my own role picking, I pick based on what is fun, which kinda factors into why I think discard meta isn't real. Anyway, Sac is a boring role, change my mind Also would like to point out that like, half the people in here think my discard is scummy, and no one is voting me Just food for thought So this goes back to point 1- the tone of this post is quite defensive. To me, the first message reads as if they're operating on the assumption "my discard is scummy -> I will be SRed -> I must preemptively defend myself". This is somewhat NAI in isolation but I feel the tone of these posts and the unnecessary early justification coming from them isn't great. The second post is something I can see coming from a town perspective if they were actively being SRed. However their reaction is quite exaggerated as only aka and clemens spoke about the sacrifice discard as a mild sl and there were no strong SRs this early into the day. Overall, not a fan of the defensive tone and preemptive counter to being SRed before there was any incentive to vote their slot.
i don't think this is defensive for winsy cause you'd rather not draw attention to something pre-emptively for this exact reason. seems genuine from them and can fit into their claim (if they claim); sac is a horrible role to play and prolongs the game forever and seems like a way to generate self-centered content (which happens) This was followed by a clemens vote, and their next noteworthy post is:
It's either between alex or akakakp for right now, based on their interactions over this whole scumread on me, although now im leaning towards akakap once reading it again Their entire game engagement at this point has been limited to the people on their wagon, bringing me to point 2. Their vote on clemens and subsequent shift to sring alex and aka after clemens got off the SRs on IC and Sacrifice is really poor game engagement. At this point I felt like aka was mostly leading town, had follow ups and good prods with other slots. Alex had the most game engagement and actively gave a direction for the discussion and I feel the justification that "these two people SR me so they're scum" is really weak and makes me SR winsy tiny as there is no effort to scumhunt here.
(I acknowledge this could be influenced by hindsight bias as I read the entire thread and TRed alex and aka before isoing this but I feel the point about engagement still stands)
i.e feels like winsy is the type of person to hyperfocus on themself and is probably closer to being lost (town/scum) than trying to find a vote here. their activity is based on how they treated that scumread which is unsaid but it seems legit to me It is interesting to note that after the aka sr, winsy votes alex and says:
Who knows, maybe ill change my vote b4 i leave I don't want to misvote, especially since so much of the pl isn't here, so Im just going to keep my vote on alexfor now, and hope we get subs or activity from the absent players, and maybe an xtension. This goes back to point 1 (flippant tone) and point 3 (read/vote inconsistency). If you have a strong SR on aka, why would you vote Alex and indicate you're willing to shift anywhere? There have also been posts in between talking about aka's inconsistent tone where they say: "This feeds into the point I was making about akakakp earlier, where they were pressuring alex, feels like they just start pushing, then either stop, or flip their reasoning. Feels weird" I feel it is rather strange for winsy to remain parked on Alex for as long as they did when all their posts have actively been SRing aka. It simply doesn't make sense, and they followed up by voting MMIB into fingerlings by EOD, the latter of which was a pretty strong TR in the thread. I feel the tone of many posts here, limited engagement in the thread (they later engaged with MMIB upon being prodded, which I will address) and the general inconsistencies between their posts and their votes are all worth considering.
This is my strongest early SR, do lmk if I've missed anything out here. Will post again soon comparing winsy/mmib interactions and motogp iso if I have time.
game is modplur, vote without push is gonna be fairly common; their fingerlings vote was pretty much that since they weren't focused on getting a vote off and its very uncoordinated compared to thread consensus a) hello lin b) comments in bluec) i don't think a lot of this is ai for winsy; i think them not showing up at all despite early motivation to play/claim d2 is pretty sketchy, don't think its damning. i can see the calling scummy but this portrays an angle of their play in your eyes i think as opposed to what winsy could have thought |
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Post by Alexander489 on Jun 28, 2023 17:34:11 GMT
help why do I kinda think sand is town LMAO
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Post by litteleven on Jun 28, 2023 17:38:25 GMT
Gud posts, tysm for your input lin. I hard agree that a town!ihbst should have started trying by now considering over a third of the initial players have died/flipped. You could be right about Winsy having TMI about MMIB. Winsy moved their vote off of MMIB like pretty soon after place it without even confronting MMIB anymore which is, weird, but feels almost too weird? It could definitely be something like, MMIB telling Winsy to get their vote somewhere else in scum chat, which is why it would look so weird. Agh. The more and more I look, the more I can see Winsy flipping red. Tbh, Nothing terrible from what I've read so far, The main thing is that all their posts feel surface level, and don't have the most substance to them Their initial posts felt more townie, especially when they interacted with akakakp, but then it felt like they were posting for the sake of posting, rather than getting anywhere Like this post is just a whole bunch of nothing. What was the conclusion here? MMIB's posts felt townie and also scummy? This lack of a conclusive read is only resolved when wallape specifically asks "are they town or are they scum?" in which Winsy says they are scum, votes them, and then like I said, they drop it almost right after. And then when we are trying to converge onto one wagon, Winsy is nowhere to be seen? And then D2 they never bring up MMIB again? Again it's hard to say whether some of this is just pure inactivity since we've had a lot of that but I know that if I were Winsy and my two partners just got killed I wouldn't feel the most motivation in the world to come back to posting. Apologies if this post is a bit of a mess because it feels like it is, but I think these are all relevant points to look through. I've already motioned for fingerlings to shoot Winsy but I'm also tentatively removing Winsy from my "not mafioso" pool. @ quoted post think its just "i thought mmib was town but then later comments are filler so i think ill scumlean" and probably never committed to again (see: shift off mmib) id agree with removing from not mafioso but im more convinced that's a tinfoil and linds post is a step in the right direction wrt "is this person scummy" slightly dislike the focus on "find mafia" from you it reminds me of a certain arachnoid room owner when they roll 3rd party |
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Post by litteleven on Jun 28, 2023 17:40:08 GMT
help why do I kinda think sand is town LMAO benefit of doubt either way +ev to get him vigged right esp when claiming a gambit role |
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Post by frogo on Jun 28, 2023 17:40:20 GMT
slightly dislike the focus on "find mafia" from you it reminds me of a certain arachnoid room owner when they roll 3rd party Pretty sure I just made a post about the high potential of a third party being present in this game, which 3p that could be, and what we can do to find them. |
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Post by frogo on Jun 28, 2023 17:41:28 GMT
slightly dislike the focus on "find mafia" from you it reminds me of a certain arachnoid room owner when they roll 3rd party Pretty sure I just made a post about the high potential of a third party being present in this game, which 3p that could be, and what we can do to find them. EBWOP i fucked up the quote again |
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Post by Alexander489 on Jun 28, 2023 17:41:35 GMT
I'm gonna dive right into the winsy tiny iso here, but a couple of general remarks first.
1. I'm not a fan of their tone here as it gives a very flippant/defensive stance without much scumhunting intent
2. Inconsistencies between their reads and vote/lack of follow up on their reads
3. The bulk of their engagement and SRs are limited to those on their wagon I'll elaborate further on these reasons as I go through their iso. I don't like how these two posts are their first instance of game engagement:
So this goes back to point 1- the tone of this post is quite defensive. To me, the first message reads as if they're operating on the assumption "my discard is scummy -> I will be SRed -> I must preemptively defend myself". This is somewhat NAI in isolation but I feel the tone of these posts and the unnecessary early justification coming from them isn't great. The second post is something I can see coming from a town perspective if they were actively being SRed. However their reaction is quite exaggerated as only aka and clemens spoke about the sacrifice discard as a mild sl and there were no strong SRs this early into the day. Overall, not a fan of the defensive tone and preemptive counter to being SRed before there was any incentive to vote their slot.
i don't think this is defensive for winsy cause you'd rather not draw attention to something pre-emptively for this exact reason. seems genuine from them and can fit into their claim (if they claim); sac is a horrible role to play and prolongs the game forever and seems like a way to generate self-centered content (which happens) This was followed by a clemens vote, and their next noteworthy post is:
Their entire game engagement at this point has been limited to the people on their wagon, bringing me to point 2. Their vote on clemens and subsequent shift to sring alex and aka after clemens got off the SRs on IC and Sacrifice is really poor game engagement. At this point I felt like aka was mostly leading town, had follow ups and good prods with other slots. Alex had the most game engagement and actively gave a direction for the discussion and I feel the justification that "these two people SR me so they're scum" is really weak and makes me SR winsy tiny as there is no effort to scumhunt here.
(I acknowledge this could be influenced by hindsight bias as I read the entire thread and TRed alex and aka before isoing this but I feel the point about engagement still stands)
i.e feels like winsy is the type of person to hyperfocus on themself and is probably closer to being lost (town/scum) than trying to find a vote here. their activity is based on how they treated that scumread which is unsaid but it seems legit to me It is interesting to note that after the aka sr, winsy votes alex and says:
This goes back to point 1 (flippant tone) and point 3 (read/vote inconsistency). If you have a strong SR on aka, why would you vote Alex and indicate you're willing to shift anywhere? There have also been posts in between talking about aka's inconsistent tone where they say: "This feeds into the point I was making about akakakp earlier, where they were pressuring alex, feels like they just start pushing, then either stop, or flip their reasoning. Feels weird" I feel it is rather strange for winsy to remain parked on Alex for as long as they did when all their posts have actively been SRing aka. It simply doesn't make sense, and they followed up by voting MMIB into fingerlings by EOD, the latter of which was a pretty strong TR in the thread. I feel the tone of many posts here, limited engagement in the thread (they later engaged with MMIB upon being prodded, which I will address) and the general inconsistencies between their posts and their votes are all worth considering.
This is my strongest early SR, do lmk if I've missed anything out here. Will post again soon comparing winsy/mmib interactions and motogp iso if I have time.
game is modplur, vote without push is gonna be fairly common; their fingerlings vote was pretty much that since they weren't focused on getting a vote off and its very uncoordinated compared to thread consensus a) hello lin b) comments in bluec) i don't think a lot of this is ai for winsy; i think them not showing up at all despite early motivation to play/claim d2 is pretty sketchy, don't think its damning. i can see the calling scummy but this portrays an angle of their play in your eyes i think as opposed to what winsy could have thought Interesting analysis. Did you have to write in blue though so I couldn’t read it lmao. Do you think winsy is not scum then? Do you think moto is? Do you have a dif vote you’re wanting? I’m not sure I quite agree w you on some of the arguments about it not being AI, I think all comments have some kind of alignment indication. But then again, we don’t really have much at all to go off of in terms of winsy. Afk slot rn. Hasn’t done a whole lot to prove they are town in anyone’s eyes. And I heavily disliked the “me vs aka” day. Just didn’t think it was genuine |
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Post by litteleven on Jun 28, 2023 17:45:41 GMT
slightly dislike the focus on "find mafia" from you it reminds me of a certain arachnoid room owner when they roll 3rd party Pretty sure I just made a post about the high potential of a third party being present in this game, which 3p that could be, and what we can do to find them. EBWOP i fucked up the quote again to put it better your focus on checking if a person is scummy or not feels predicated on their likeliness to be mafia vs being scum [did read the post, thought for a bit on how likely it is that we can go forward by elimming ALL possible mafia to stop daily nk, felt unconvinced on pushing that specifically cause that was a ~vote moto flag ] |
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Post by Alexander489 on Jun 28, 2023 17:46:22 GMT
slightly dislike the focus on "find mafia" from you it reminds me of a certain arachnoid room owner when they roll 3rd party Pretty sure I just made a post about the high potential of a third party being present in this game, which 3p that could be, and what we can do to find them. EBWOP i fucked up the quote again ^^ i did find the fact they were focusing on mafia in their initial sr posts a bit weird but the post about potential 3rd parties including cultafia I think did a great deal to shed light onto potential probs and scum factions in the game that I think would’ve not really brought up otherwise |
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Post by litteleven on Jun 28, 2023 17:49:42 GMT
a) hello lin b) comments in bluec) i don't think a lot of this is ai for winsy; i think them not showing up at all despite early motivation to play/claim d2 is pretty sketchy, don't think its damning. i can see the calling scummy but this portrays an angle of their play in your eyes i think as opposed to what winsy could have thought Interesting analysis. Did you have to write in blue though so I couldn’t read it lmao. Do you think winsy is not scum then? Do you think moto is? Do you have a dif vote you’re wanting? I’m not sure I quite agree w you on some of the arguments about it not being AI, I think all comments have some kind of alignment indication. But then again, we don’t really have much at all to go off of in terms of winsy. Afk slot rn. Hasn’t done a whole lot to prove they are town in anyone’s eyes. And I heavily disliked the “me vs aka” day. Just didn’t think it was genuine eod thoughts were "winsy feels null cause their play seemed localized, mmib felt bad but then feels good, i'll go with thread don't mind chopping either" then mmib claimed missionary and i pretty much knew that was gonna be the vote i still kinda feel that i don't feel strongly about the slot ai comments: comments that winsy would only do as a certain faction post feels written from a "winsy=scum" lens but i don't think w/o that it reads the same to me i feel less confident on voting either today yeah so im waiting for whoevers the first to pop in to ask them to do stuff |
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Post by Alexander489 on Jun 28, 2023 17:50:51 GMT
I assume we might get a winsy sub and another extension, maybe
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Post by litteleven on Jun 28, 2023 17:58:33 GMT
could be a blackmailer angle target sand n1 lmao
its been two nights whiffing once is probably fine
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Post by frogo on Jun 28, 2023 18:04:37 GMT
Pretty sure I just made a post about the high potential of a third party being present in this game, which 3p that could be, and what we can do to find them. EBWOP i fucked up the quote again to put it better your focus on checking if a person is scummy or not feels predicated on their likeliness to be mafia vs being scum [did read the post, thought for a bit on how likely it is that we can go forward by elimming ALL possible mafia to stop daily nk, felt unconvinced on pushing that specifically cause that was a ~vote moto flag ] Idk like I guess but we have 2 red flips so I don't see looking for associatives as a bad idea. |
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Post by frogo on Jun 28, 2023 18:08:15 GMT
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Post by frogo on Jun 28, 2023 18:53:51 GMT
unsure what to do here
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Post by litteleven on Jun 28, 2023 18:54:37 GMT
im around smile
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Post by litteleven on Jun 28, 2023 18:56:03 GMT
vote motogp
feel free to shift if you want to (will still matter)
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Post by frogo on Jun 28, 2023 18:58:38 GMT
fingers crossed then
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Post by litteleven on Jun 28, 2023 18:59:10 GMT
vig sand for gambit cop (or scum) winsy gets to live i think
idc who inspect goes on
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Post by frogo on Jun 28, 2023 18:59:34 GMT
i'll second that
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Post by litteleven on Jun 28, 2023 19:00:06 GMT
massclaim tomorrow cause its possibly some form of endgame if there's multiple consistent kills (alien bmer)
gl gn
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Post by frogo on Jun 28, 2023 19:01:37 GMT
twilight pagebottom
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Post by Snaq ◢ ◤ on Jun 28, 2023 19:06:06 GMT
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