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Post by pkq on Aug 4, 2023 2:48:07 GMT
pkq honest question do you care about winning this or not really I do but at this point I don't know what to believe because of the nightkill. It sounds like you can be scum but if that was the case you already would have won this game so this is crazy. |
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Post by Clouds on Aug 4, 2023 2:58:00 GMT
are you gonna answer the rest of it I didn't know what made your confirm town and I got clarification why and I was hungover tbh. lol ok my reason for asking was that all you said in thread was that you weren't sober, nothing else, but ddlc kept saying all this stuff about how "eternally hungover pkq is anti-towny" and then right before the holo vote was saying you had time to "puke and rally" or whatever when you had 1 vote on you. and i was like huh where's he got this idea that you're hungover from, and thought it'd be funny if it was cause you told him you were hungover in mafia chat or something this is like 75% joke 25% serious |
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Post by Clouds on Aug 4, 2023 2:58:51 GMT
pkq honest question do you care about winning this or not really I do but at this point I don't know what to believe because of the nightkill. It sounds like you can be scum but if that was the case you already would have won this game so this is crazy. if you truly believed that, you wouldn't have snapvoted right away so this makes zero sense boss |
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Post by Clouds on Aug 4, 2023 2:59:47 GMT
and explain to me, what about the nightkill is weird to you? which nightkill?
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Post by Clouds on Aug 4, 2023 4:39:49 GMT
i've already said my piece on why i don't think the NKAs were done to relieve pressure off scumslots, but to say it for posterity: if that was the intention of the scum team, they would've wanted to kill someone more active. you mention crespo and neo in a later post for this bit so let's use them as hypotheticals: if you, as scum, were being scumread by crespo, neo and pisx, and were playing in a way that drew a fair amount of ire, what reason would have made you want to pick pisx over the other two, who were more active and had stronger reins on where the game was headed? ------- i kind of also want to just build on your point about crespo (or neo) advocating to leave easy day-votes alive by saying that they would've needed coordination from other scum to make the votes actually happen. i think we all have a similar understanding of who's leading town and who isn't rn, so if either of them were to flip-flop on their stance it'd look pretty bad for them ------- i'll ask a little bit about the potential motivations bit: from the kill, would it make more sense for scum to be trying to relieve pressure from themselves (i.e. scum is winsy/clemens/fingerlings/etc.) or for scum to be trying to set up the d2 vote (i.e. scum is fingerlings/akakakp/etc.) crespo has already admitted that the latter is a possible reason for killing pisx, knowingly implicating themselves for it. discounting them for that ps-mafia.proboards.com/post/96607/threadkeep going back to this post cause it's so weird, i wish you could retain quoted posts inside the posts you're quoting on proboards but since i'm really just working through my own thoughts here i guess it doesn't matter. though this is kind of an invitation for either of pkq/jeffery to chime in if they want to as well i don't like the way cyan talks about crespo's slot a lot here, interactions between the two are virtually nonexistent already (granted no scum ever talked to tb or pkq directly which also sucks) but this is all some secondhand weirdness. "discounting" them how? from what? the potential motivations for the pisx nightkill or the nightkill altogether? |
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Post by Clouds on Aug 4, 2023 4:40:50 GMT
also that second point from cyan makes no sense to me and i keep running back through it to try and understand what he was saying but i get nowhere
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Post by pkq on Aug 4, 2023 6:01:17 GMT
I do but at this point I don't know what to believe because of the nightkill. It sounds like you can be scum but if that was the case you already would have won this game so this is crazy. if you truly believed that, you wouldn't have snapvoted right away so this makes zero sense boss You was confirm town so its POE |
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Post by pkq on Aug 4, 2023 6:02:27 GMT
and explain to me, what about the nightkill is weird to you? which nightkill? Why did bubida buss his teammate where he could have won the game voting for me? |
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Post by bubidajeffery on Aug 4, 2023 15:31:31 GMT
hey gm, will be on more during the evening probably but will try to answer clouds' questions
will start with a vote PKQ tho
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Post by bubidajeffery on Aug 4, 2023 16:11:30 GMT
@bubijajeffery ok your turn. just gonna say straight up i don't think the nightkill analysis with you not killing winsy holds any water cause it was the vote heading into volo and it would've made pkq an easy misflip if the team was you/ddlc. i'm willing to then agree not to put much emphasis on nka at all for that kill, but yeah point stands. i understand why you say you wouldn't kill winsy etc and i agree winsy was a bad kill there for anyone which is what initially furthered the idea of a ddlc/pkq team in my mind cause i think you would've led ddlc to make a better kill, i just don't want to make this a leading factor in the vote decision cause this specific nightkill is all wifom #1) you didn't vote the day holocryptid was voted which was off cause you seemed more engaged the day we voted off clem but then vanished for this one like the specific vote of the three of [pkq, winsy, holocryptid] didn't matter to you. i don't know if this was a product of just like not being here and yes it applies to pkq too, but i feel like i expected more from your slot based on how in tune with the game you seemed from your wallposting. if you were here, who would you have voted and why? #2) based on your initial wallpost you seemed to kinda keep fame and pkq in the same realm of towniness. what led you to think fame slot was much more townie than the other two during yesterday's volo? #3) earlier you said it "looks like scum has been killing all the aggressive/active players thus far with the exception of clouds" was i more townie in your eyes at the moment? phrasing's a bit weird firstly yeah that's a fair point, and yeah that night kill was pretty questionable regardless of the scum team so i can agree with that assessment and we can move past it 1. So this was just me being busy IRL and not checking the forums during that day which is mb. If I was around though I probably would have voted holocryptid. This was because their slot was pretty inactive besides like the two wallposts which I think I mentioned before but I wasn't a big fan of either post. Like a lot of it was just random filler that didn't contribute at all and it just looked like they wanted to add things to give off the effect that they were giving reads on everybody which wasn't needed. Also I found it kinda weird that their other contribution was kinda contributing the reads and stuff on Zeito but then also not wanting to commit their vote there. 2. My PKQ read on my first wallpost was based on vibes and I felt like how clueless both him and TB were more townie but since then he didn't really make any reads or do anything townie for me to keep him in that townlean spot. That day he also kinda just went "scum is on me" voted ddlc and didn't do anything else. on the other hand, fame had a lot of well thought out posts with good reasoning + logical thought processes and weren't afraid to put themselves out there. i also felt like mc was pretty town on entry, like starting to go the entire thread and posting his thoughts as he went through the first few pages is something that is completely unnecessary and if they were scum it would be way easier to just go with the flow 3. At this point I wasn't certain but thought you were fairly town. My thoughts were that you were either townreading a scum slot and so they wanted to carry you farther, or that you were gonna get nked soon. I didn't think you were scum since I felt like if you were scum it would have been really odd for you to kill off all the active players and have yourself magically be surviving, and you weren't getting sr'ed by those players either so killing them all would have been odd |
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Post by bubidajeffery on Aug 4, 2023 16:12:40 GMT
also can i ask what is the point of pinging / is there any way to actually receive or get notified of the pings? because i usually don't have the forums open and I just open it up to a bunch of pings which seems kinda pointless unless you're being active in a bunch of different forums
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Post by bubidajeffery on Aug 4, 2023 16:14:34 GMT
and explain to me, what about the nightkill is weird to you? which nightkill? Why did bubida buss his teammate where he could have won the game voting for me? if i was scumpartnerss with ddlc i don't just win by voting you tho? clouds + mc were basically a voting bloc; clouds just wanted to see where i would vote first i believe. i don't know if my vote changed his opinion on who to vote out there |
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Post by bubidajeffery on Aug 4, 2023 16:16:24 GMT
unless you're talking about a different nightkill/day in which case i don't know what you're referring to
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Post by Clouds on Aug 4, 2023 21:45:57 GMT
Why did bubida buss his teammate where he could have won the game voting for me? if i was scumpartnerss with ddlc i don't just win by voting you tho? clouds + mc were basically a voting bloc; clouds just wanted to see where i would vote first i believe. i don't know if my vote changed his opinion on who to vote out there that's what he's saying i think but i don't think this is great defense cause you would've had to bank on me voting pkq over ddlc which wasn't all that likely if you were reading into my messages. you leaning towards voting ddlc solidified the ddlc vote in my mind cause i figured if you were scum, you'd take the safe route and bus and then play for this exact F3. which means in a 1 scum pkq/ddlc cross and with you pushing ddlc, there was no avenue for ddlc to be town |
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Post by Clouds on Aug 4, 2023 21:46:36 GMT
also can i ask what is the point of pinging / is there any way to actually receive or get notified of the pings? because i usually don't have the forums open and I just open it up to a bunch of pings which seems kinda pointless unless you're being active in a bunch of different forums yeah i guess nothing then, i was just hoping it notified |
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Post by Clouds on Aug 4, 2023 22:15:49 GMT
idk i'm not really that close to decided yet. i think pkq's answers have been terrible i just don't know if he's mafia for it and there's something so bold about telling me straight up "if you believe that he's mafia then vote him" about his scum partner and questioning my slot over and over lol. i'll think things through
the winsy nightkill leans somewhat in favor of jeffery and ddlc's fake panic when pkq had a vote on him also looks bad for pkq. looking purely at thread evidence pkq is the logical vote here, but is it the right vote...
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Post by pkq on Aug 5, 2023 0:27:36 GMT
@bubijajeffery ok your turn. just gonna say straight up i don't think the nightkill analysis with you not killing winsy holds any water cause it was the vote heading into volo and it would've made pkq an easy misflip if the team was you/ddlc. i'm willing to then agree not to put much emphasis on nka at all for that kill, but yeah point stands. i understand why you say you wouldn't kill winsy etc and i agree winsy was a bad kill there for anyone which is what initially furthered the idea of a ddlc/pkq team in my mind cause i think you would've led ddlc to make a better kill, i just don't want to make this a leading factor in the vote decision cause this specific nightkill is all wifom #1) you didn't vote the day holocryptid was voted which was off cause you seemed more engaged the day we voted off clem but then vanished for this one like the specific vote of the three of [pkq, winsy, holocryptid] didn't matter to you. i don't know if this was a product of just like not being here and yes it applies to pkq too, but i feel like i expected more from your slot based on how in tune with the game you seemed from your wallposting. if you were here, who would you have voted and why? #2) based on your initial wallpost you seemed to kinda keep fame and pkq in the same realm of towniness. what led you to think fame slot was much more townie than the other two during yesterday's volo? #3) earlier you said it "looks like scum has been killing all the aggressive/active players thus far with the exception of clouds" was i more townie in your eyes at the moment? phrasing's a bit weird firstly yeah that's a fair point, and yeah that night kill was pretty questionable regardless of the scum team so i can agree with that assessment and we can move past it 1. So this was just me being busy IRL and not checking the forums during that day which is mb. If I was around though I probably would have voted holocryptid. This was because their slot was pretty inactive besides like the two wallposts which I think I mentioned before but I wasn't a big fan of either post. Like a lot of it was just random filler that didn't contribute at all and it just looked like they wanted to add things to give off the effect that they were giving reads on everybody which wasn't needed. Also I found it kinda weird that their other contribution was kinda contributing the reads and stuff on Zeito but then also not wanting to commit their vote there. 2. My PKQ read on my first wallpost was based on vibes and I felt like how clueless both him and TB were more townie but since then he didn't really make any reads or do anything townie for me to keep him in that townlean spot. That day he also kinda just went "scum is on me" voted ddlc and didn't do anything else. on the other hand, fame had a lot of well thought out posts with good reasoning + logical thought processes and weren't afraid to put themselves out there. i also felt like mc was pretty town on entry, like starting to go the entire thread and posting his thoughts as he went through the first few pages is something that is completely unnecessary and if they were scum it would be way easier to just go with the flow 3. At this point I wasn't certain but thought you were fairly town. My thoughts were that you were either townreading a scum slot and so they wanted to carry you farther, or that you were gonna get nked soon. I didn't think you were scum since I felt like if you were scum it would have been really odd for you to kill off all the active players and have yourself magically be surviving, and you weren't getting sr'ed by those players either so killing them all would have been odd I really was clueless and I didn't really know how to contribute to the game because I sub in so late and that there was so many subs in this game. |
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Post by pkq on Aug 5, 2023 0:29:07 GMT
Why did bubida buss his teammate where he could have won the game voting for me? if i was scumpartnerss with ddlc i don't just win by voting you tho? clouds + mc were basically a voting bloc; clouds just wanted to see where i would vote first i believe. i don't know if my vote changed his opinion on who to vote out there That is what I am saying and if I was scum why didn't I kill you because that would have been the obvious play |
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Post by pkq on Aug 5, 2023 0:30:38 GMT
if i was scumpartnerss with ddlc i don't just win by voting you tho? clouds + mc were basically a voting bloc; clouds just wanted to see where i would vote first i believe. i don't know if my vote changed his opinion on who to vote out there that's what he's saying i think but i don't think this is great defense cause you would've had to bank on me voting pkq over ddlc which wasn't all that likely if you were reading into my messages. you leaning towards voting ddlc solidified the ddlc vote in my mind cause i figured if you were scum, you'd take the safe route and bus and then play for this exact F3. which means in a 1 scum pkq/ddlc cross and with you pushing ddlc, there was no avenue for ddlc to be town Basically and that is why I am at a lost for words for this game |
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Post by pkq on Aug 5, 2023 0:35:19 GMT
idk i'm not really that close to decided yet. i think pkq's answers have been terrible i just don't know if he's mafia for it and there's something so bold about telling me straight up "if you believe that he's mafia then vote him" about his scum partner and questioning my slot over and over lol. i'll think things through the winsy nightkill leans somewhat in favor of jeffery and ddlc's fake panic when pkq had a vote on him also looks bad for pkq. looking purely at thread evidence pkq is the logical vote here, but is it the right vote... Lets be honest I should be the logical vote here that is why I find it hard to defend myself. Like I know I have play shitty this game but never have I thought I will be in a position like this. On top of that I can't even think bubida is scummier then me. At this point I am on scum but it is what it is. Congrats bubida for mind fucking me and this whole game because this shit is twisted. Also like I said before I was bold because you seem like you had the answer and the reason I question because I didn't know or I couldn't find at the time you was confirm bp I only saw confirm town. |
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Post by bubidajeffery on Aug 5, 2023 1:34:14 GMT
if i was scumpartnerss with ddlc i don't just win by voting you tho? clouds + mc were basically a voting bloc; clouds just wanted to see where i would vote first i believe. i don't know if my vote changed his opinion on who to vote out there That is what I am saying and if I was scum why didn't I kill you because that would have been the obvious play I mean we have already established that the winsy vote wasn't really a good kill for either of us if we were scum also i would have totally pushed you for a misvote with your logic |
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Post by bubidajeffery on Aug 5, 2023 1:38:55 GMT
if i was scumpartnerss with ddlc i don't just win by voting you tho? clouds + mc were basically a voting bloc; clouds just wanted to see where i would vote first i believe. i don't know if my vote changed his opinion on who to vote out there that's what he's saying i think but i don't think this is great defense cause you would've had to bank on me voting pkq over ddlc which wasn't all that likely if you were reading into my messages. you leaning towards voting ddlc solidified the ddlc vote in my mind cause i figured if you were scum, you'd take the safe route and bus and then play for this exact F3. which means in a 1 scum pkq/ddlc cross and with you pushing ddlc, there was no avenue for ddlc to be town huh sorry im not following. i agree with what you are saying which is why i said i don't win by voting PKQ, but i see what you mean that this is a scenario that i could have been in as either a scum partner with ddlc or as a townie so that's fair |
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Post by Clouds on Aug 5, 2023 3:44:30 GMT
if i was scumpartnerss with ddlc i don't just win by voting you tho? clouds + mc were basically a voting bloc; clouds just wanted to see where i would vote first i believe. i don't know if my vote changed his opinion on who to vote out there That is what I am saying and if I was scum why didn't I kill you because that would have been the obvious playthere's arguments for both sides here and i don't really want to hyperfocus on the nightkill for that reason; you/ddlc could have killed winsy as he was correctly sus'ing both of you towards the end and jeffery/ddlc could have killed winsy to push for your misvote. main thing is that if that was the case i'd have expected more of a concerted effort from jeffery to try and sway things towards a misvote on you, but he honestly didn't do that and he opened right away with a post about ddlc (despite it being sarcastic, but point stands) |
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Post by Clouds on Aug 5, 2023 3:49:56 GMT
Also like I said before I was bold because you seem like you had the answer and the reason I question because I didn't know or I couldn't find at the time you was confirm bp I only saw confirm town.ok i mean i don't really know what to say there, you seemed to digest it the first time i told you i was bulletproof but maybe you glanced at that and responded despite not reading that i said bulletproof or something idk. i don't even think this is scummy if anything it's more of the opposite, so i won't get hung up on it. i just don't want to vote jeffery for the wrong reasons, so if you're town you gotta prove it to me somehow. maybe give some thoughts about things that happened this game, or talk about what you imagine mafia chat was like... whatever you can do |
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Post by Clouds on Aug 5, 2023 3:51:42 GMT
also how did jeffery "mind fuck" you when you never even aired a single town read on him all game? were you truly thrown off by how this played out? explain to me how your read of jeffery developed if you did tr him as you're implying
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