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Post by winsytinsy on Jul 10, 2023 13:24:58 GMT
okay i'm going to actually pull a 180 on everything i've done up to this point and say that i sl clem for their recent string of posts. it's frankly kinda weird that they're making blatant attempts at banter (with less substance than 9am fish 15p modexe town!cy trying to stay sane) while other slots are engaging in serious discussion. granted i don't think the discussion going on rn is productive, and i can see why someone would refuse to engage with it, but i'm not getting that sense i get the read on clem but also like my issue with it is just doesn't clem behave like this as either alignment? (hence my somewhat policy vote as soon as i realised this game wasn't gonna be different for them) Honestly, No I don't think they would act like this as town |
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Post by cyan on Jul 10, 2023 13:31:34 GMT
okay i'm going to actually pull a 180 on everything i've done up to this point and say that i sl clem for their recent string of posts. it's frankly kinda weird that they're making blatant attempts at banter (with less substance than 9am fish 15p modexe town!cy trying to stay sane) while other slots are engaging in serious discussion. granted i don't think the discussion going on rn is productive, and i can see why someone would refuse to engage with it, but i'm not getting that sense i get the read on clem but also like my issue with it is just doesn't clem behave like this as either alignment? (hence my somewhat policy vote as soon as i realised this game wasn't gonna be different for them) i have played one game with clem. they were scum, i was town, i got them smacked out d1 for pulling the exact same shit they're doing now obviously it's not good enough for pmeta but i am going to strictly call them less than town for it |
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Post by Clouds on Jul 10, 2023 13:40:29 GMT
@crespo any gut reads so far? i think clouds is playing the game a bit safer than usual more used to him taking a town lead role early on i'm gonna be gone most of d1 so this'll continue unfortunately, but i'll be here after that |
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Post by Clouds on Jul 10, 2023 13:47:11 GMT
is the page 1 goofy ahh guess the number to be taken seriously or what? I don't think so, note that I am looking for some softs from winsy there if anywhat benefits come from you pointing out a potential soft i think clem's kinda towny for posting that lol, would expect a wolf to be more careful and not blatantly out that they're looking for softs |
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Post by Clouds on Jul 10, 2023 13:48:21 GMT
I don't like Clems entry at all, it feels like filler, or pointless comments with no real substance Unvote neonaruto
Vote Clemsdid we read the same opener? some of you need a primer for what "filler" is |
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Post by Crespo on Jul 10, 2023 13:49:06 GMT
what benefits come from you pointing out a potential soft i think clem's kinda towny for posting that lol, would expect a wolf to be more careful and not blatantly out that they're looking for softs disagree it comes off as "look at me i'm tryna read into people's lines to help!!" vibe |
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Post by Crespo on Jul 10, 2023 13:50:38 GMT
i get the read on clem but also like my issue with it is just doesn't clem behave like this as either alignment? (hence my somewhat policy vote as soon as i realised this game wasn't gonna be different for them) i have played one game with clem. they were scum, i was town, i got them smacked out d1 for pulling the exact same shit they're doing now obviously it's not good enough for pmeta but i am going to strictly call them less than town for it been thinking about this and uh i think i've only ever seen s!clem forum games LOL |
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Post by Clouds on Jul 10, 2023 13:50:45 GMT
i think clem's kinda towny for posting that lol, would expect a wolf to be more careful and not blatantly out that they're looking for softs disagree it comes off as "look at me i'm tryna read into people's lines to help!!" vibe i can see that being a reasonable perspective too, credit where it's due |
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Post by Crespo on Jul 10, 2023 13:51:11 GMT
i get the read on clem but also like my issue with it is just doesn't clem behave like this as either alignment? (hence my somewhat policy vote as soon as i realised this game wasn't gonna be different for them) Honestly, No I don't think they would act like this as town Clemens specifically? |
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Post by Fame on Jul 10, 2023 13:59:26 GMT
I have no personal experience with Clem in either alignment so I'd definitely be waiting to see if their posts become more engaged (since I don't really know what their perspective is other than "I'm here! Just not reading, and btw I disagree but not for any particular reason"). Also I think the "so why are you answering Neo's questions for him?" post was really superficial given that every post before it was me trying to gauge Neo's perspective in some way. It reads more to me as "I'm out of the loop but you guys must be partnered if you're interacting so much!".
Also I think Cyan's post re: angles of discussion not actually contributing to scumhunting is fine. I don't really wanna comment extensively to avoid running around in circles but ya point taken. FWIW I'm more interested in trying to understand who is townie in these early posts rather than explicitly scumhunting since I tend to be more on the paranoid side & that hinders me from working w/ people. Maybe that gives perspective on my posts / maybe it doesn't but just smth I wanted to note.
I like Crespo's posts btw I think they're picking up on things that I wouldn't have noticed myself (like Clouds being more 'safe' than usual).
A lot of slots in the game are also currently null due to little to no content so hopefully that changes shortly!!
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Post by Clouds on Jul 10, 2023 14:10:55 GMT
on a more serious note i have a bit of an issue with fame: Considering you're arguing against the opening filler, how else do you suggest they open the thread/how would you have started the thread if you had been post #1? Genuine question. You came into the thread with the advantage of someone starting the thread for you and came out of it looking somewhat townie. Your reads quite literally aren't possible unless they make those initial posts, so to argue that it didn't generate any discussion / they weren't pressing the thread for reads is kind of weird imo. That was clearly their intention IMO, given they responded to you voting them with "at least you're talking" and voting you back "just to make things interesting". I'd agree that declaring your vote as RVS/something to generate content is kind of meaningless/redundant since it eliminates any pressure you can apply with your vote. But still. this post could very easily be an attempt to salvage winsy's slot.
just as like an fyi here s!fame probably isn't ever defending s!winsy that early into the thread and with that strong of a stance, pmeta but for good reason |
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Post by Clouds on Jul 10, 2023 14:15:06 GMT
i love playing "is clem just scum getting bussed for his unusual play" or "is clem town and just the punching bag for his unusual play" it's so fun
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Post by cyan on Jul 10, 2023 14:34:14 GMT
I have no personal experience with Clem in either alignment so I'd definitely be waiting to see if their posts become more engaged (since I don't really know what their perspective is other than "I'm here! Just not reading, and btw I disagree but not for any particular reason"). Also I think the "so why are you answering Neo's questions for him?" post was really superficial given that every post before it was me trying to gauge Neo's perspective in some way. It reads more to me as "I'm out of the loop but you guys must be partnered if you're interacting so much!". Also I think Cyan's post re: angles of discussion not actually contributing to scumhunting is fine. I don't really wanna comment extensively to avoid running around in circles but ya point taken. FWIW I'm more interested in trying to understand who is townie in these early posts rather than explicitly scumhunting since I tend to be more on the paranoid side & that hinders me from working w/ people. Maybe that gives perspective on my posts / maybe it doesn't but just smth I wanted to note. I like Crespo's posts btw I think they're picking up on things that I wouldn't have noticed myself (like Clouds being more 'safe' than usual). A lot of slots in the game are also currently null due to little to no content so hopefully that changes shortly!! i am unfortunately very conflicted on fame because at the end of the day i'm forced to contemplate between +: towny tone and general attentiveness --: superficial and weak reads that don't have too much thought put into them let me steer discussion in a more constructive manner, then. answer in at least three sentences: is winsy tinsy more likely to be town or scum? on a more serious note i have a bit of an issue with fame: this post could very easily be an attempt to salvage winsy's slot.
just as like an fyi here s!fame probably isn't ever defending s!winsy that early into the thread and with that strong of a stance, pmeta but for good reason duly noted, but you can kinda see where i'm going with it, no? i'll wait for fame's response to my question to decide whether or not this angle is worth pushing i love playing "is clem just scum getting bussed for his unusual play" or "is clem town and just the punching bag for his unusual play" it's so fun unfortunate! i think it's grating |
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Post by Crespo on Jul 10, 2023 14:37:00 GMT
i don’t dislike the fame slot, i like how they’re progressing the thread with discussion
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Post by ihbst on Jul 10, 2023 14:48:27 GMT
I don't like myanmario posts so far, it doesn't really add anything
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Post by ®➕➕ on Jul 10, 2023 14:49:56 GMT
on a more serious note i have a bit of an issue with fame: Considering you're arguing against the opening filler, how else do you suggest they open the thread/how would you have started the thread if you had been post #1? Genuine question. You came into the thread with the advantage of someone starting the thread for you and came out of it looking somewhat townie. Your reads quite literally aren't possible unless they make those initial posts, so to argue that it didn't generate any discussion / they weren't pressing the thread for reads is kind of weird imo. That was clearly their intention IMO, given they responded to you voting them with "at least you're talking" and voting you back "just to make things interesting". I'd agree that declaring your vote as RVS/something to generate content is kind of meaningless/redundant since it eliminates any pressure you can apply with your vote. But still. this post could very easily be an attempt to salvage winsy's slot. and i'm going to say it's worth considering given that "winsy got neo to speak up by annoying him, i think winsy intentionally generated content out of neo" is a wack ass read when the post sequence looks like this:I'd argue that myans explanation of his "let me make things interesting vote" is doing more of that than anyone trying to gaslight me into thinking winsy is a + user |
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Post by cyan on Jul 10, 2023 14:53:31 GMT
what the fuck happened to your formatting
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Post by ®➕➕ on Jul 10, 2023 14:55:09 GMT
im experimenting too many things with proboards
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Post by Clouds on Jul 10, 2023 14:56:35 GMT
k some thoughts here before i'm out for a while:
- cresposting is fine, he's more active than i expected early on i guess. i tend to read toni as null early on most of the time and i think i'm landing somewhere in that range again or slightly on the townlean side. he's shown he's taking the time to try to understand the motives behind someone posting something which i think bodes well for him
- akakakp opener was not great and aka/pisx has a decent chance of being t/s in some direction i think, as does winsy/fingerlings just based on how they both weighted their presence most heavily at daystart and then kinda disappeared afterwards. aka/winsy are probably not s/s paired with the way aka defended winsy in their opener, but i don't like fingerlings making like 1 post taking a stance against aka and then not exploring their thoughts on aka after, that reeks of potential fake distancing
- afk so far: tb, lindauna, hadu, ihbst, stp, latios #s. you're probably gonna wind up having at least a few town (and possibly sk) in this list just by nature of how these games are & the level of responsibility wolves often feel to get something down early and not be the lagging strand of the team. this is not a tr for any of them and hopefully we'll see some activity from here soon, just something to keep in mind if this game goes in the direction of "chop the afks" and it becomes clear it's a result of wolves pouncing on the opportunity to dominate thread due to low game activity
as it stands i'd vote fingerlings, akakakp, ddlc over anyone else
vote Fingerlings
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Post by Fame on Jul 10, 2023 15:25:04 GMT
Sorry I'm not directly quoting you @ Cyan I just suck with the formatting so I don't wanna make a post that's like 10x bigger than needed.
To answer your question: is winsy tinsy more likely to be town or scum?
Admittedly I'm flip flopping between the two. I wanted to give them the benefit of the doubt and look at both possibilities (are they genuinely behaving in a way that's scum-like? or are they being jumped because people want to towntell themselves by jumping on them?). I do feel like there's hypocrisy in Winsy scumreading Clem for being unserious though. Because both slots are technically guilty of the same thing. Reads as a pot calling the kettle black type situation. I'd be more inclined to read them as town if they were avidly engaging with everything that came as a result of their opening, but they've kinda fallen back and landed on a hypocritical read of Clem. So now I'm like, you generated the discussion you supposedly wanted with your opening but the only read you have is "I don't like this person's opening" when there's at least 3 slots with enough content to produce a more well-informed read?
Harder to read the intentions behind their "lets make things interesting" shtick when everything that came afterwards resulted in 0 reads from them on the slots that actually interacted with them the most. I'm leaning towards reading the Winsy vs Clem interactions from a SVT pov because of this. Granted, I think the Clem slot is super weak too. I'll probably end up putting my vote on either of these slots unless things change.
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Post by winsytinsy on Jul 10, 2023 15:46:51 GMT
Sorry I'm not directly quoting you @ Cyan I just suck with the formatting so I don't wanna make a post that's like 10x bigger than needed. To answer your question: is winsy tinsy more likely to be town or scum? Admittedly I'm flip flopping between the two. I wanted to give them the benefit of the doubt and look at both possibilities (are they genuinely behaving in a way that's scum-like? or are they being jumped because people want to towntell themselves by jumping on them?). I do feel like there's hypocrisy in Winsy scumreading Clem for being unserious though. Because both slots are technically guilty of the same thing. Reads as a pot calling the kettle black type situation. I'd be more inclined to read them as town if they were avidly engaging with everything that came as a result of their opening, but they've kinda fallen back and landed on a hypocritical read of Clem. So now I'm like, you generated the discussion you supposedly wanted with your opening but the only read you have is "I don't like this person's opening" when there's at least 3 slots with enough content to produce a more well-informed read? Harder to read the intentions behind their "lets make things interesting" shtick when everything that came afterwards resulted in 0 reads from them on the slots that actually interacted with them the most. I'm leaning towards reading the Winsy vs Clem interactions from a SVT pov because of this. Granted, I think the Clem slot is super weak too. I'll probably end up putting my vote on either of these slots unless things change. That's honestly fair, so I'm just going to put out a read on everyone who's talked so far |
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Post by frogo on Jul 10, 2023 16:28:14 GMT
this just feels LAMIST. like look at me omg someone pweaseeeee help me the innocent lil townie. ddlc’s post felt fine and your read feels like an absolute reach of a statement us having different reads does not mean i'm reaching |
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Post by frogo on Jul 10, 2023 16:33:15 GMT
quick d1 thoughts since the most important person in this game is here now yay! - neo voting for the bloat/filler, i actually laughed - this entire discussion in general being based around how fillery a d1 is ... like yay the sky is blue. can we move on? hi winsy is probably town for being unafraid to discuss their role while i agree with neo that saying "let's make things interesting" somewhat defeats the purpose of winsy's vote on neo, i still feel like it has good intentions my gut tells me that crespo and ddlc are bad guys didn't like either of their entrances fame is talking too smart. like they are omniscient. like they are the informed minority. if ur picking up what im putting down. - this read is garbage. scumreading fame for ‘talking too smart’ is like, interesting for sure, but ultimately feels like you’re grasping at straws. them very plainly analyzing the gamestate and showing their reasoning for their reads is not scum behavior. the point of the game is to make reads and case other players based on your reads; that’s exactly what fame did. like, are we reading the same posts? i’m confused. if you're going to try to reach so hard for a reason to throw your vote out, just be like neo and vote for something unimportant that makes you look nai at worst like a "filler vote" : )))). this just makes you look scummy, how unfortunate! [edited to fix italics] vote akakakpwhat is a good reason to scumread someone then |
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Post by frogo on Jul 10, 2023 16:37:11 GMT
what benefits come from you pointing out a potential soft i think clem's kinda towny for posting that lol, would expect a wolf to be more careful and not blatantly out that they're looking for softs agreed but I also think all of us know that we can get townread for this as scum |
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Post by frogo on Jul 10, 2023 16:43:38 GMT
k some thoughts here before i'm out for a while: - cresposting is fine, he's more active than i expected early on i guess. i tend to read toni as null early on most of the time and i think i'm landing somewhere in that range again or slightly on the townlean side. he's shown he's taking the time to try to understand the motives behind someone posting something which i think bodes well for him - akakakp opener was not great and aka/pisx has a decent chance of being t/s in some direction i think, as does winsy/fingerlings just based on how they both weighted their presence most heavily at daystart and then kinda disappeared afterwards. aka/winsy are probably not s/s paired with the way aka defended winsy in their opener, but i don't like fingerlings making like 1 post taking a stance against aka and then not exploring their thoughts on aka after, that reeks of potential fake distancing - afk so far: tb, lindauna, hadu, ihbst, stp, latios #s. you're probably gonna wind up having at least a few town (and possibly sk) in this list just by nature of how these games are & the level of responsibility wolves often feel to get something down early and not be the lagging strand of the team. this is not a tr for any of them and hopefully we'll see some activity from here soon, just something to keep in mind if this game goes in the direction of "chop the afks" and it becomes clear it's a result of wolves pouncing on the opportunity to dominate thread due to low game activity as it stands i'd vote fingerlings, akakakp, ddlc over anyone else vote Fingerlingswe have a decent chance of being t/s over one post pisx made about me? where did the read on fingerlings come from? seems like you are voting fingerlings for thinking i am scum? why are you not just voting me??? nothing about this makes sense to me |
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