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Post by AligningStars on Dec 23, 2023 1:12:51 GMT
unvote realitiwe're not L-1'ing this what does that mean |
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Post by Clouds on Dec 23, 2023 1:16:59 GMT
unvote realitiwe're not L-1'ing this what does that mean he had 1 vote on him from PTSD's night action then i voted him, then PTSD voted him, then you voted him it takes 5 to hammer, and we were 1 vote away from that, so i didn't want us to run into a premature hammer when we've barely had two hours of this night my vote is there in spirit and it's fine to keep your vote for now, but i don't want us 1 vote away from hammer |
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Post by Clouds on Dec 23, 2023 1:21:46 GMT
Omg i love this and would love to hear more of your thoughts about it!! So far out of the slots that are pushing/ saying the SR or SL clem, which ones stick out to you the most? Do you think anyone is genuinely SRing them or does it all feel forced? Am looking back at the two that have clem voted rn, Stp and Frogo. Am citing their posts that talk about it, cant quote them since mobile sadge Gonna start with STP, think its easier to talk about Ftr i think saying “Im frustrated with Iavh slot” is Nai for the most part, its a genuinely realistic thought that any town member can have (personally have had this myself) and its a very easy thought for anyone thats scum to fake. I dont think this is any new ground. The progression they have also kinda shows frustration with the slot itself from the interactions so that does check out here. So does STP have any progression beyond saying “this is frustrating” lets look there next. Says Yosh and Iavh are partners b/c of hesitancy from Yosh… ngl i feel like thats kinda reaching a bit Like, idt being hesitant on a slot is necessarily scum indicative nor partner indicative plenty of scum partners can Tr or SR their partners Attempts to push Clem about other information and says Clem is also hesitant to read Yosh Ok what do i like, what do i not like. I do like that STP is attempting to push Clem I dont like the conclusions, has the general feel of -> “Im frustated with Clem rawr” easy thought for either scum or town to have -> “Yosh and you are partners b/c youre hesitant on each other” This is a reach imo, coming from a (i believe) new player to forums i think having hesitancy on Clem slot and how to interact with it is nothing out of ordinary, Clem also avoiding some questions is nothing new either. Overall dont super like the conclusions drawn here from STP imo Lets look at Frogo: Original reasoning was: Iavh not having realistic thought processes (says STP is hard to read and then says STP is scum) Ill give it and say thats better reasoning (flip flopping quickly on stuff isnt a great look generally) but does Frogo try to progress here at all is another question as well imo. Jury here says no. Doesnt look like Frogo really makes much attempt to push this read forward or push the slot all that much Final Verdict: I dont like either of the votes on Iavh rn, Frogo doesnt try to push the read all that much and STP imo doesnt tread new grounds all that much for what I know about Iavh and how they play. see the bolded here -- i feel like prod was trying to discredit both STP & froggo for voting another villager, IAVH, then look good if IAVH flipped town this doesn't feel like defense of a partner whatsoever to me, not to mention how risky this is to do if IAVH was a partner with multiple votes on him it has all the markings of setup to paint STP & froggo in a bad light off of a mislim |
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Post by passthesaltdude on Dec 23, 2023 1:22:57 GMT
he had 1 vote on him from PTSD's night action then i voted him, then PTSD voted him, then you voted him it takes 5 to hammer, and we were 1 vote away from that, so i didn't want us to run into a premature hammer when we've barely had two hours of this night my vote is there in spirit and it's fine to keep your vote for now, but i don't want us 1 vote away from hammer what if I wanted a hammer? I dont want Realiti to have time to salt more and I dont want to give OM a chance to meaningfully interact with any slots |
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Post by Clouds on Dec 23, 2023 1:24:17 GMT
he had 1 vote on him from PTSD's night action then i voted him, then PTSD voted him, then you voted him it takes 5 to hammer, and we were 1 vote away from that, so i didn't want us to run into a premature hammer when we've barely had two hours of this night my vote is there in spirit and it's fine to keep your vote for now, but i don't want us 1 vote away from hammer what if I wanted a hammer? I dont want Realiti to have time to salt more and I dont want to give OM a chance to meaningfully interact with any slots i'm giving them both a fair shake & i'm not rushing anything patience is a virtue |
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Post by realiti on Dec 23, 2023 1:34:19 GMT
cool so you're not actually trying to read me but rather my predecessor? your reads on LHF have been shaky so I encourage you to take a step back and consider what I have been saying and whether you're trying to force yourself into thinking I'm in my scum meta and tunnel visioning, or if I'm actually in it i have been in this game two full days not trying to force myself into thinking anything, in fact i'm looking for solid reasons you'd be town here & having trouble finding them I gave you the reasons. Lets not forget that i clocked prod scum on my reread almost instantly with impeccable reasoning that can only come from town, do you think i actually read page 55-57 and clock him there if im his scumpartner and trying to think of some bs reasoning |
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Post by realiti on Dec 23, 2023 1:34:58 GMT
cool so you're not actually trying to read me but rather my predecessor? your reads on LHF have been shaky so I encourage you to take a step back and consider what I have been saying and whether you're trying to force yourself into thinking I'm in my scum meta and tunnel visioning, or if I'm actually in it why wouldn't they look at your predecessor they should read me as well as my predecessor |
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Post by realiti on Dec 23, 2023 1:37:02 GMT
clouds you are trolling, only reason you're scumreading me is because you've never played a game with me as town so you're only able to see the worlds where I'm scum ^^ Clouds said that and he ate so hard Realiti has been so unsually aggressive this game and they are truly reacting poorly to a lot of pressure thrown on them with their main town reasoning being "Nu-Uh i dont do this as scum/ you dont know when im town" and its bad reasonings and Realiti trying to add all this pressure to me especially yesterday when the main votes were Edjean and Prod, makes it feel like realiti was trying to create another wagon to save their partners you say 'unusually" but you've never played a game with me so why would you know how i play i think ive been reacting to pressure fine, ive explained why i'm town multiple times but it seems like everybody is glossing over it. at least clouds is actually reading my posts and trying to engage in them, you're just piggybacking off his momentum i never tried to vote you yesterday, in fact i was hard parked on prod, very clear if you reread day 6. not sure why you're trying to spin a false narrative on me |
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Post by frogo on Dec 23, 2023 1:38:54 GMT
what the fuck did realiti just almost die
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Post by frogo on Dec 23, 2023 1:39:51 GMT
agh this could be clouds ptsd tbh i'm really not liking clouds tunnel on realiti
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Post by frogo on Dec 23, 2023 1:41:13 GMT
like just thinking about previous day Clouds literally moved PTSD from scum to town just because PTSD re-explained his box ability but also why put so much pressure on prodigu? just because of micro roleblock?
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Post by realiti on Dec 23, 2023 1:45:56 GMT
Unless he leveled up his game in the span of a couple of months I feel like Clouds is too tunnel-y and engaged to be scum
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Post by realiti on Dec 23, 2023 1:49:04 GMT
The game is probably solvable off of all of prod's posts but idk if im spending the time to reread the thread again
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Post by Clouds on Dec 23, 2023 2:45:02 GMT
i have been in this game two full days not trying to force myself into thinking anything, in fact i'm looking for solid reasons you'd be town here & having trouble finding them I gave you the reasons. Lets not forget that i clocked prod scum on my reread almost instantly with impeccable reasoning that can only come from town, do you think i actually read page 55-57 and clock him there if im his scumpartner and trying to think of some bs reasoningif he's been outed as the roleblock target on a night with no nightkills? yes |
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Post by Clouds on Dec 23, 2023 2:50:45 GMT
Unless he leveled up his game in the span of a couple of months I feel like Clouds is too tunnel-y and engaged to be scum i'm not tunneled though, i just have a POE and you're in it, you're misconstruing the consistent pressure as me being certain you're scum i know there are absolutely ways you're not mafia here, i've recognized that. moments like you saying fillering idled 3 nights in a row gives me pause because it was 1 of the more believable things you've said. was fillering even in this game 3 nights though? i'd have to look and see when tr22 got subbed out. so, not deadset on anything... but not satisfied with your defense so far? yeh definitely |
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Post by Clouds on Dec 23, 2023 2:53:21 GMT
agh this could be clouds ptsd tbh i'm really not liking clouds tunnel on realiti why does everyone act like this is me being locked in on realiti mafia i guess i do kinda act like it in the heat of the moment but i'm far from it there are several things to point out as to why it can't be me & PTSD here, it's not paranoia worth entertaining - if you need to though, just look at all the times we weren't dialed in about each other's night actions, more specifically me trying to understand PTSD's night actions, for us to be mafia together we'd have to have made that entire thing theater |
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Post by Clouds on Dec 23, 2023 2:55:13 GMT
but also why put so much pressure on prodigu? just because of micro roleblock? what ?_? yes...? i mean you know my progression on him prior, he was always in the trouble zone for me but that just looked awful for him when it happened |
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Post by frogo on Dec 23, 2023 3:03:47 GMT
but also why put so much pressure on prodigu? just because of micro roleblock? what ?_? yes...? i mean you know my progression on him prior, he was always in the trouble zone for me but that just looked awful for him when it happened silly i am theorizing why u would do that as scum |
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Post by Clouds on Dec 23, 2023 3:06:31 GMT
my hold up realiti is that it seems like you're thinking so surface level for things and making your reads at face value. and maybe that just has to do with you subbing in late, but like for example
you'll say something like OM + PTSD team, and in doing that you glance past the PTSD redirect claim and don't even think about the fact that PTSD being redirected to you means he didn't submit a nightkill until i mention it. which is an important factor, because it's likely he carries the kill over OM, while not a certainty. and then your defense is very focused on clearing yourself out of the POE as opposed to solving for specific teams, "OM + PTSD and add iavh if wrong" is like whatever, it's not impossible for you to have that stance, but there's no heart in it and you haven't been reading any interactions between your possible team(s) here and why they could or couldn't work
and you can say it's solvable off of prod's posts (it basically is) but if you're not gonna bother reading any of them then how am i supposed to think you're motivated enough to solve this and pull your slot out of the swamp, when that aligns more with the level of motivation mafia would have at this point in the game? for starters, maybe look at the posts i've been bringing up from prod about iavh and give me your thoughts on those. genuinely just don't think it's iavh here off of interactions with prod, most of them come off as TMI surrounding his slot as opposed to svs
i'm more like here at this point for townreads:
wallape
froggo
aligningstars
iamveryhappy
passthesaltdude
with the team most likely to be realiti + OM or PTSD + OM. so, yes, maybe OM's just the vote here, we'll see what he does, kinda feels like he's just not attempting much aorn which checks out with subbing into a mafia slot that's on the edge of extinction. that being said, we have a 48 hour phase here and time on our side, so we can give him time to cook something up
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Post by realiti on Dec 23, 2023 3:08:21 GMT
my hold up realiti is that it seems like you're thinking so surface level for things and making your reads at face value. and maybe that just has to do with you subbing in late, but like for example you'll say something like OM + PTSD team, and in doing that you glance past the PTSD redirect claim and don't even think about the fact that PTSD being redirected to you means he didn't submit a nightkill until i mention it. which is an important factor, because it's likely he carries the kill over OM, while not a certainty. and then your defense is very focused on clearing yourself out of the POE as opposed to solving for specific teams, "OM + PTSD and add iavh if wrong" is like whatever, it's not impossible for you to have that stance, but there's no heart in it and you haven't been reading any interactions between your possible team(s) here and why they could or couldn't work and you can say it's solvable off of prod's posts (it basically is) but if you're not gonna bother reading any of them then how am i supposed to think you're motivated enough to solve this and pull your slot out of the swamp, when that aligns more with the level of motivation mafia would have at this point in the game? for starters, maybe look at the posts i've been bringing up from prod about iavh and give me your thoughts on those. genuinely just don't think it's iavh here off of interactions with prod, most of them come off as TMI surrounding his slot as opposed to svs i'm more like here at this point for townreads: wallapefroggoaligningstarsiamveryhappypassthesaltdude
with the team most likely to be realiti + OM or PTSD + OM. so, yes, maybe OM's just the vote here, we'll see what he does, kinda feels like he's just not attempting much aorn which checks out with subbing into a mafia slot that's on the edge of extinction. that being said, we have a 48 hour phase here and time on our side, so we can give him time to cook something up I read 100 pages once, not gonna do it again when it already gave me a good idea of who's good and bad |
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Post by realiti on Dec 23, 2023 3:08:43 GMT
froggo is ur redirect abilities or all actions
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Post by realiti on Dec 23, 2023 3:10:09 GMT
Unless he leveled up his game in the span of a couple of months I feel like Clouds is too tunnel-y and engaged to be scum i'm not tunneled though, i just have a POE and you're in it, you're misconstruing the consistent pressure as me being certain you're scum i know there are absolutely ways you're not mafia here, i've recognized that. moments like you saying fillering idled 3 nights in a row gives me pause because it was 1 of the more believable things you've said. was fillering even in this game 3 nights though? i'd have to look and see when tr22 got subbed out. so, not deadset on anything... but not satisfied with your defense so far? yeh definitely you're pretty tunneled and everyone in the thread can agree |
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Post by realiti on Dec 23, 2023 3:11:45 GMT
I don't think I should be in the swamp, you're the only one who thinks so and the two ppl voting me are ptsd (piggybacking off u and likely scum) and aligning (following thread momentum)
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Post by Clouds on Dec 23, 2023 3:12:02 GMT
i'm not tunneled though, i just have a POE and you're in it, you're misconstruing the consistent pressure as me being certain you're scum i know there are absolutely ways you're not mafia here, i've recognized that. moments like you saying fillering idled 3 nights in a row gives me pause because it was 1 of the more believable things you've said. was fillering even in this game 3 nights though? i'd have to look and see when tr22 got subbed out. so, not deadset on anything... but not satisfied with your defense so far? yeh definitely you're pretty tunneled and everyone in the thread can agree lol you're just being uncharitable now i have been looking at things from both t!realiti & s!realiti alignment angles, i'm here talking through things with you, and 1 of my top 2 teams does not even have you in it tunneled =/= having you in a POE and thinking you have high mafia equity |
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Post by realiti on Dec 23, 2023 3:12:59 GMT
the ppl who could be scum are limited because I clear u wallape and froggo, aligning I agree with everyone is prob town off tone and the way they post in thread, the only way it's not iavh ptsd OM is wallape deepwolfing and pulling some insane claim about their actions d2 d3 which is probably not the case
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