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Post by realiti on Dec 23, 2023 3:14:25 GMT
you're pretty tunneled and everyone in the thread can agree lol you're just being uncharitable now i have been looking at things from both t!realiti & s!realiti alignment angles, i'm here talking through things with you, and 1 of my top 2 teams does not even have you in it tunneled =/= having you in a POE and thinking you have high mafia equity the only thing you've mentioned about me possibly being town is fillering idling 3 nights in a row, all the other points I've made about me being town have been spun in a negative light through poor WIFOM fashion all of your arguments that go scum realiti COULD have done this I find quite silly when the reality is, scum realiti COULD have done this but almost certainly doesn't. |
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Post by realiti on Dec 23, 2023 3:15:54 GMT
accusing me of surface level scumreading ptsd is silly when I've given reasoning multiple times and pressured him in real time, to underwhelming answers (which nobody except micro seemed to have picked up!)
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Post by realiti on Dec 23, 2023 3:17:19 GMT
I can't find the posts about prod that you quoted
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Post by Clouds on Dec 23, 2023 3:19:06 GMT
for real i don't get why you're sitting here and throwing up your arms and being like guys we're doomed clouds is gonna throw and vote me!! so often instead of just ignoring it, when i'm also actively echoing how much i'm willing to give you a chance here. i'm even leaning slightly more towards voting om at the moment, granted that can change. neglecting to backread prod interactions isn't helping your case considering how useful that is due to how many interactions with alive players he has. it's a strong part of why i'm clearing wallape, why i'm townreading iavh, and why i'm continuing to dive into those more than anything else right now
you're in the POE of like pretty much everyone in this town to some extent, so it's not just a me thing. in a situation like that, you may as well do your due diligence and try to set up a route for if you do get voted, not act like the world's ending if it happens and trying to fearmonger me out of it by saying i'm choking or whatever. if you're giving enough time to the game to be here, use it on building your team(s), not on frantically trying to not be voted
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Post by Clouds on Dec 23, 2023 3:20:05 GMT
accusing me of surface level scumreading ptsd is silly when I've given reasoning multiple times and pressured him in real time, to underwhelming answers (which nobody except micro seemed to have picked up!) it's not the PTSD scumread that's surface level, it's the finding his partner part & interaction-based side of it |
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Post by realiti on Dec 23, 2023 3:22:08 GMT
accusing me of surface level scumreading ptsd is silly when I've given reasoning multiple times and pressured him in real time, to underwhelming answers (which nobody except micro seemed to have picked up!) it's not the PTSD scumread that's surface level, it's the finding his partner part & interaction-based side of it I don't remember any interactions between ptsd and edj that say they can't be partners, in fact I don't think they've interacted a single time |
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Post by realiti on Dec 23, 2023 3:23:12 GMT
for real i don't get why you're sitting here and throwing up your arms and being like guys we're doomed clouds is gonna throw and vote me!! so often instead of just ignoring it, when i'm also actively echoing how much i'm willing to give you a chance here. i'm even leaning slightly more towards voting om at the moment, granted that can change. neglecting to backread prod interactions isn't helping your case considering how useful that is due to how many interactions with alive players he has. it's a strong part of why i'm clearing wallape, why i'm townreading iavh, and why i'm continuing to dive into those more than anything else right now you're in the POE of like pretty much everyone in this town to some extent, so it's not just a me thing. in a situation like that, you may as well do your due diligence and try to set up a route for if you do get voted, not act like the world's ending if it happens and trying to fearmonger me out of it by saying i'm choking or whatever. if you're giving enough time to the game to be here, use it on building your team(s), not on frantically trying to not be voted I've explained why ptsd is scum and why I'm town and why OM -> ptsd is the route to go, because everyone else is townier and those two have a lot more scum equity. I don't need to pull up hundreds of receipts to make my point clear and reasonable |
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Post by realiti on Dec 23, 2023 3:24:58 GMT
we're also 4 hours into the phase I can reread his interactions later if I feel like putting in the time
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Post by Clouds on Dec 23, 2023 3:25:10 GMT
lol you're just being uncharitable now i have been looking at things from both t!realiti & s!realiti alignment angles, i'm here talking through things with you, and 1 of my top 2 teams does not even have you in it tunneled =/= having you in a POE and thinking you have high mafia equity all of your arguments that go scum realiti COULD have done this I find quite silly when the reality is, scum realiti COULD have done this but almost certainly doesn't.man there it is again this is such a sus line of defense like lol this in itself IS WIFOM, it's the exact definition of it -- would a player make a "suboptimal" move because it looks unlikely for them to do it as mafia so that they get townread for taking that unlikely action, or did they truly not take that action, also i feel like most of my reasoning is not even tied up in what you would call "WIFOM reasoning", and in fact a lot of it has to do with external factors (i.e prod doing what looks like trying to fake townspew your slot, him lurking and not securing plur on peng until it was safe) so amounting it to this isn't accurate |
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Post by Clouds on Dec 23, 2023 3:28:09 GMT
for real i don't get why you're sitting here and throwing up your arms and being like guys we're doomed clouds is gonna throw and vote me!! so often instead of just ignoring it, when i'm also actively echoing how much i'm willing to give you a chance here. i'm even leaning slightly more towards voting om at the moment, granted that can change. neglecting to backread prod interactions isn't helping your case considering how useful that is due to how many interactions with alive players he has. it's a strong part of why i'm clearing wallape, why i'm townreading iavh, and why i'm continuing to dive into those more than anything else right now you're in the POE of like pretty much everyone in this town to some extent, so it's not just a me thing. in a situation like that, you may as well do your due diligence and try to set up a route for if you do get voted, not act like the world's ending if it happens and trying to fearmonger me out of it by saying i'm choking or whatever. if you're giving enough time to the game to be here, use it on building your team(s), not on frantically trying to not be voted I've explained why ptsd is scum and why I'm town and why OM -> ptsd is the route to go, because everyone else is townier and those two have a lot more scum equity. I don't need to pull up hundreds of receipts to make my point clear and reasonable alright well if you want to backread prod interactions or interactions between these two when you have time you should i'll see if i can dive into it, might just read a little more then step aside cause i'm kinda putting too much time into this for a friday night |
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Post by realiti on Dec 23, 2023 3:28:50 GMT
I can't control prods actions and the WIFOM point I'm trying to make is 100% valid
it's like saying "well micro COULD have roleblocked prod and bussed to get scum credit" but we know that's foolish
same goes for a lot of what I'm saying but while other players have thought about that you're just dismissing it as a scum tactic
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Post by Clouds on Dec 23, 2023 3:30:58 GMT
same goes for a lot of what I'm saying but while other players have thought about that you're just dismissing it as a scum tactic i don't even get what point you're trying to make that my reasoning is just bad? what am i dismissing as a scum tactic that others are not, & who are those others? |
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Post by OM~! on Dec 23, 2023 3:32:16 GMT
Dude I go play pokemon with joe and u guys try to hammer realiti tf
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Post by realiti on Dec 23, 2023 3:32:46 GMT
same goes for a lot of what I'm saying but while other players have thought about that you're just dismissing it as a scum tactic i don't even get what point you're trying to make that my reasoning is just bad? what am i dismissing as a scum tactic that others are not, & who are those others? when I mention my role, actions, things I've done since entering the game (like rereading while game and hard pushing prod) as arguments to why im town, you're painting it as an attempt to gain town cred as scum while others have townread me for it or seemed to put more thought into it |
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Post by realiti on Dec 23, 2023 3:34:09 GMT
froggo has townread me off it and micro has questioned me about it and seemed to put on thought until he died. wallape might have said something but I don't remember. PTSD is probably scum and iavh/aligning are just doing their own thing
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Post by realiti on Dec 23, 2023 3:35:19 GMT
I'm saying you're tunneled so in your mind you're automatically trying to reason how my arguments are from a scum PoV when in fact my actions are probably just from town
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Post by Clouds on Dec 23, 2023 3:35:39 GMT
what IS a good vote today again fame's second question from their question pack looking at it, it doesn't make sense, but looking at the amount of ppl not playing it starts to bug me Clem imma be real, this isnt a question anyone in this thread can answer for you. Who do you SR / who do you think is scum? Ultimately who a good vote is is up to you at the end of the day, but your own answer to that question is who would be a good vote do you see this being svs realiti |
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Post by iavh on Dec 23, 2023 3:37:02 GMT
Dude I go play pokemon with joe and u guys try to hammer realiti tf dude waking to this post is hype, also you're the common denominator hf |
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Post by realiti on Dec 23, 2023 3:37:09 GMT
could be honestly. easily fakeable. I townread iavh independently from that tho
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Post by Clouds on Dec 23, 2023 3:37:51 GMT
i don't even get what point you're trying to make that my reasoning is just bad? what am i dismissing as a scum tactic that others are not, & who are those others? when I mention my role, actions, things I've done since entering the game (like rereading while game and hard pushing prod) as arguments to why im town, you're painting it as an attempt to gain town cred as scum while others have townread me for it or seemed to put more thought into it again just a bad summary of things that aren't 100% happening nor am i locked on you being scum or that any of this is a scum tactic also who is townreading you for saying that you had abilities that were "too OP" for mafia like idt anyone cares about that, anyone can say that, it's a prime example of WIFOM defense from you so i won't hear anything about you saying reasonings others have cased you for are also WIFOM if you're hinging some of your defense on points of the same nature |
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Post by realiti on Dec 23, 2023 3:38:55 GMT
when I mention my role, actions, things I've done since entering the game (like rereading while game and hard pushing prod) as arguments to why im town, you're painting it as an attempt to gain town cred as scum while others have townread me for it or seemed to put more thought into it again just a bad summary of things that aren't 100% happening nor am i locked on you being scum or that any of this is a scum tactic also who is townreading you for saying that you had abilities that were "too OP" for mafia like idt anyone cares about that, anyone can say that, it's a prime example of WIFOM defense from you so i won't hear anything about you saying reasonings others have cased you for are also WIFOM if you're hinging some of your defense on points of the same nature I was townread for other things too, but also I'm not going to make up a 6 target RNG vig if I didn't have it |
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Post by Clouds on Dec 23, 2023 3:38:58 GMT
could be honestly. easily fakeable. I townread iavh independently from that tho k so you're just locked in on OM + PTSD now? because if you townread iavh now, that shutters off everyone else as a possibility for you if this is it, if this IS your team, i need to believe that you believe it |
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Post by Clouds on Dec 23, 2023 3:39:34 GMT
again just a bad summary of things that aren't 100% happening nor am i locked on you being scum or that any of this is a scum tactic also who is townreading you for saying that you had abilities that were "too OP" for mafia like idt anyone cares about that, anyone can say that, it's a prime example of WIFOM defense from you so i won't hear anything about you saying reasonings others have cased you for are also WIFOM if you're hinging some of your defense on points of the same nature I was townread for other things too, but also I'm not going to make up a 6 target RNG vig if I didn't have it it's not a gift i can't see mafia getting anyways, it's super NAI and not useful in discerning your alignment |
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Post by Clouds on Dec 23, 2023 3:41:29 GMT
I'm saying you're tunneled so in your mind you're automatically trying to reason how my arguments are from a scum PoV when in fact my actions are probably just from town kek and no i'm not, like sure i'm naturally gonna view things i see as mafia indicative as they are, i think your fixation on self-preservation is a bad look so that's how i'm viewing it but it doesn't alter my entire perception of you and i've been doing my best to see things from both sides of the glass in spite of the scumlean |
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Post by Clouds on Dec 23, 2023 3:45:09 GMT
Am trying to look back at what i said in regards to bolded, the games ive played with Iavh so far have consisted of them trolling a ton, the OC game, and the popcorn game (scum clem) that i had played in with them for the entirety of the game they were relatively just trolling without making any real effort at all into progressing the game whereas this game, and parts of classic iavh actually made some form of effort which has had me wanting to lean more town than scum. (Also said from what i recall pressuring Clem is usually an easy way to determine his alignment from what ive been told) I said we should look at the ppl pushing clem b/c for the most part every single game ive been in with them myself and others have wanted to policy vote them and was figuring here wouldnt be all that different for the most part if Clem = town = true imo hes a relatively easy vote to push / make happen So saying we should look at the ppl actually voting him to see if theyre just trying to get off a quick and easy vote or if theyve actually put any thought to it / attempted to push the vote again, doesn't strike me as svs with clem & more an attempt to get people to look bad for thinking clem is scum, which many did |
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