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Post by micromorphic on Dec 29, 2023 17:46:28 GMT
vote: lindauna
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Post by micromorphic on Dec 29, 2023 17:46:59 GMT
why does iavh keep logging off when someone asks them for reads
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Dec 29, 2023 17:57:19 GMT
VOTE penguindNo, we're not doing that. Independently of claims, who's your town right now. Right now cuddlez and thats's it but I need to vibe check the game and I am not doing that at 12 at night, I hope that pass/pisx/fame or someone who already spoke give me the information I need on my own lead that you are saying no to in the morning before I can pass true judgement on everybody (You are leaning town but I have questions that I am desperately wanting answers to and was hoping to NOT get it 32 hours later Why am I town? What does you not getting people to out in thread have to do with people's alignments? What hesitations do you have around aligning's mason claim?
Why are we deferring responsibility to pass/pisx/fame?
My point is you're not making reads, you subbed into an absentee slot whose only contribution is a secondhand greencheck, and right now the game desperately needs to move on from setup-solving (and the issues that come with it: outing town rolepower & creating a game environment that basically gives scum carte blanche to use CS mechanics as cover for wolfsiding) and into generating/establishing reads on the remaining players (which, along with sustained wagoning, is how you avoid mischops and hunt for scum). It's how you end up with trainwrecks like this [x], where actual town cohesion gets sacrificed for overreliance on mech and then you get outplayed because lol, you gave the informed minority even more information to manipulate the uninformed majority. |
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Post by Fenrir on Dec 29, 2023 18:30:04 GMT
VOTECOUNT 3.1
Numbers in parentheses following a player's name reflect their current post count in the phase.
iamveryhappy (1)- Fame (12)
If the deadline was right now, a random player would be eliminated between PenguinD, iamveryhappy, micromorphic, and lindauna.
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Post by Fame on Dec 29, 2023 18:45:21 GMT
PenguinD if you're town here give something else to work with other than a scumread on Clouds, don't even really care if he goes over ngl but if he's scum who are you looking at next. What's the direction in the game for you  highkey theres lke six people who can go. any of the lurk slots are scum till they show up and do some stuff Well yes you are right in the very obvious that there's a large majority of the playerlist not doing anything but that's not really a satisfactory answer bc it means chopping through a large chunk of players more statistically likely to be town than Mafia Elaborate on Clouds: if he flips scum, who is then also scum? |
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Post by Fame on Dec 29, 2023 18:45:59 GMT
Or alternatively, if Clouds flips Mafia then who do you see as town, or if he flips town, who is Mafia?
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Post by Fame on Dec 29, 2023 18:47:15 GMT
Despite my annoyed posts earlier I would really not enjoy having to policy several slots just based on their "lack of doing stuff" bc that doesn't really feel like playing the game lol
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Post by Fame on Dec 29, 2023 18:48:42 GMT
Unvote iamveryhappy
Vote PenguinD
not getting anything out of IAVH apparently and he's already aware he's not doing anything, so whatever.
I want to flip Peng, don't believe his initial reactions with Myan were T/S and I think his posts are pretty bad generally speaking so I'll stick with this and see where it gets us
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Post by Fame on Dec 29, 2023 18:52:46 GMT
i have decided micromorphic likely does not pair with yoshman but can pair with lindauna vote micromorphicseen the questions, thanks for the responses, doubt i'm getting back to you on them before phase end since i'm catching a flight, bye disappointing post What's disappointing about it to you |
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Post by Fame on Dec 29, 2023 18:54:49 GMT
i have decided micromorphic likely does not pair with yoshman but can pair with lindauna vote micromorphicseen the questions, thanks for the responses, doubt i'm getting back to you on them before phase end since i'm catching a flight, bye Isn't lindauna likely town in your read list? Why are we pairing w/ people who you're townreading? Would it not be better to just...flip either PengD/Yosh? Started to be concerned by the fact you have 2/3 days worth of vanity votes that dodge the leading wagons and the 3rd of them is you self preserving |
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Post by C7 on Dec 29, 2023 19:12:56 GMT
Right now cuddlez and thats's it but I need to vibe check the game and I am not doing that at 12 at night, I hope that pass/pisx/fame or someone who already spoke give me the information I need on my own lead that you are saying no to in the morning before I can pass true judgement on everybody (You are leaning town but I have questions that I am desperately wanting answers to and was hoping to NOT get it 32 hours later Why am I town? What does you not getting people to out in thread have to do with people's alignments? What hesitations do you have around aligning's mason claim?
Why are we deferring responsibility to pass/pisx/fame?
My point is you're not making reads, you subbed into an absentee slot whose only contribution is a secondhand greencheck, and right now the game desperately needs to move on from setup-solving (and the issues that come with it: outing town rolepower & creating a game environment that basically gives scum carte blanche to use CS mechanics as cover for wolfsiding) and into generating/establishing reads on the remaining players (which, along with sustained wagoning, is how you avoid mischops and hunt for scum). It's how you end up with trainwrecks like this [x], where actual town cohesion gets sacrificed for overreliance on mech and then you get outplayed because lol, you gave the informed minority even more information to manipulate the uninformed majority. Are not giving me the "wooing" vibes which I sometimes get when you are scum I don't want people to out their roles but their results, if there are any more like me/clouds results (See Spiderz post where he actually Did A Thing) I don't have hesitations, I think he's likely the mason partner but I'll have a clearer picture in like an hour or two I am not deferring responsibility, I was hoping they would Exist In Some Capacity and Potentially Give Me The Info I Need Just about to read back now, Waking up at 12 sucks, I am not trying to setup solve just see something that potentially could be problematic. Do not wish to actually out town PRs. I do not wish to give scum an advantage but I have eyes. |
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Post by Fame on Dec 29, 2023 19:16:07 GMT
Why am I town? What does you not getting people to out in thread have to do with people's alignments? What hesitations do you have around aligning's mason claim?
Why are we deferring responsibility to pass/pisx/fame?
My point is you're not making reads, you subbed into an absentee slot whose only contribution is a secondhand greencheck, and right now the game desperately needs to move on from setup-solving (and the issues that come with it: outing town rolepower & creating a game environment that basically gives scum carte blanche to use CS mechanics as cover for wolfsiding) and into generating/establishing reads on the remaining players (which, along with sustained wagoning, is how you avoid mischops and hunt for scum). It's how you end up with trainwrecks like this [x], where actual town cohesion gets sacrificed for overreliance on mech and then you get outplayed because lol, you gave the informed minority even more information to manipulate the uninformed majority. Are not giving me the "wooing" vibes which I sometimes get when you are scum I don't want people to out their roles but their results, if there are any more like me/clouds results (See Spiderz post where he actually Did A Thing) I don't have hesitations, I think he's likely the mason partner but I'll have a clearer picture in like an hour or two I am not deferring responsibility, I was hoping they would Exist In Some Capacity and Potentially Give Me The Info I Need Just about to read back now, Waking up at 12 sucks, I am not trying to setup solve just see something that potentially could be problematic. Do not wish to actually out town PRs. I do not wish to give scum an advantage but I have eyes. Can I ask what specifically you are wanting from me / expecting from me I have 100+ posts in the last phase alone and took up a majority of the thread convo + you've asked me 0 questions directly from what I can see |
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Post by lindauna on Dec 29, 2023 19:27:17 GMT
hi i completely forgot this was going on until hosts told me :sob: can someone add me to the discord game ping
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Post by yoshman8 on Dec 29, 2023 19:31:43 GMT
hi im here for close to eod
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Post by yoshman8 on Dec 29, 2023 19:35:43 GMT
Im sticking with my townread on Fame, I think it was scum trying to utilise their reads. Ultimately as of now I think micro and schiavetto are also townleans, especially schiavetto because they have been putting a lot of effort into solving
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Dec 29, 2023 19:43:52 GMT
like, i can't stress enough how much this is the case. everyone's bad in this end day & there's not enough time to unpack it a 72hr phase ended with a 3-2-2 spread on town & eight nonvoters, with a last-minute BG claim out of nowhere like?? like i think fame comes out far and away the most villagery in all the fuss, if only because i think he's demonstrably been most consistent in trying to actually arrive at a solve/force vote commitment. and it's not like that isn't fakeable, but i think any wolf taking that angle in a game that's gone this direction is working directly against their own wincon. what we've been getting from this slot more than anything else just feels like Correct Village Play, and i think it's the next closest thing we have to a lock outside of the previously three named slots. but what's egregious imo is that two of the prominent voices during that dayend, peng and honestly clouds two, have also had the weakest followthrough from it. if you actually look at peng's game backhalf of D2, there's some plausibility to the bodyguard claim itself (uncontested, target aligns with professed reads, lackluster presence makes sense for a protective role) but a day out from that claim, and looking at it purely from a functional standpoint, i think it's way less defensible. if i'm carrying rolepower there, protective or otherwise, i don't think self-pres is something you can really fault anyone for, but there's absolutely a lack of urgency that becomes suspect. you come in touting an SR on clouds, but in that last stretch of the phase there's no urgency of "hey, i'm town prot power and i'm about to die, can we PLEASE push this wolf", instead it's all hands-off. if we're being completely honest the wagons weren't even stacked that high to begin with, so what was the concern there? what *actually* prompts that claim, esp. considering no attempt to even followthrough in pushing reads
the clouds-of-it-all really just muddies it too because you'd expect the second wagon there to have some higher stake in how the phase pans out, but those last few minutes are just bargaining around wagon composition, which??? again, zero urgency. it's kind of painful too because i do think this slot's had substantial sorting over the course of the game, but every once in a while you hit things like this [x] or this [x] which track more as denigrating than anything else. |
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Dec 29, 2023 19:47:30 GMT
VOTECOUNT 3.1
Numbers in parentheses following a player's name reflect their current post count in the phase.
iamveryhappy (1)- Fame (12)
If the deadline was right now, a random player would be eliminated between PenguinD, iamveryhappy, micromorphic, and lindauna.
like i wouldn't even call the prod wagon bad--the wifom from him wasn't great--but it's peeving to look back on what led up to the mischop & see it overlooked today so that we can proceed with.... turning right back around and doing the same thing??? |
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Dec 29, 2023 19:52:37 GMT
Why am I town? What does you not getting people to out in thread have to do with people's alignments? What hesitations do you have around aligning's mason claim?
Why are we deferring responsibility to pass/pisx/fame?
My point is you're not making reads, you subbed into an absentee slot whose only contribution is a secondhand greencheck, and right now the game desperately needs to move on from setup-solving (and the issues that come with it: outing town rolepower & creating a game environment that basically gives scum carte blanche to use CS mechanics as cover for wolfsiding) and into generating/establishing reads on the remaining players (which, along with sustained wagoning, is how you avoid mischops and hunt for scum). It's how you end up with trainwrecks like this [x], where actual town cohesion gets sacrificed for overreliance on mech and then you get outplayed because lol, you gave the informed minority even more information to manipulate the uninformed majority. Are not giving me the "wooing" vibes which I sometimes get when you are scum I don't want people to out their roles but their results, if there are any more like me/clouds results (See Spiderz post where he actually Did A Thing) I don't have hesitations, I think he's likely the mason partner but I'll have a clearer picture in like an hour or two I am not deferring responsibility, I was hoping they would Exist In Some Capacity and Potentially Give Me The Info I Need Just about to read back now, Waking up at 12 sucks, I am not trying to setup solve just see something that potentially could be problematic. Do not wish to actually out town PRs. I do not wish to give scum an advantage but I have eyes. This is a read receipt. |
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Dec 29, 2023 19:55:27 GMT
Im sticking with my townread on Fame, I think it was scum trying to utilise their reads. Ultimately as of now I think micro and schiavetto are also townleans, especially schiavetto because they have been putting a lot of effort into solving i'm gonna scream |
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Dec 29, 2023 19:59:30 GMT
idea for a new site banner everyone, lmk what you think< 3:  |
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Dec 29, 2023 20:02:11 GMT
hi i completely forgot this was going on until hosts told me :sob: can someone add me to the discord game ping are you going to be here for DL / what game thoughts do you have fttb |
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Post by yoshman8 on Dec 29, 2023 20:15:58 GMT
Im sticking with my townread on Fame, I think it was scum trying to utilise their reads. Ultimately as of now I think micro and schiavetto are also townleans, especially schiavetto because they have been putting a lot of effort into solving i'm gonna scream in a good way or a bad way? |
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Post by C7 on Dec 29, 2023 20:20:13 GMT
Are not giving me the "wooing" vibes which I sometimes get when you are scum I don't want people to out their roles but their results, if there are any more like me/clouds results (See Spiderz post where he actually Did A Thing) I don't have hesitations, I think he's likely the mason partner but I'll have a clearer picture in like an hour or two I am not deferring responsibility, I was hoping they would Exist In Some Capacity and Potentially Give Me The Info I Need Just about to read back now, Waking up at 12 sucks, I am not trying to setup solve just see something that potentially could be problematic. Do not wish to actually out town PRs. I do not wish to give scum an advantage but I have eyes. This is a read receipt. What does read receipt mean? |
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Post by cuddleszz on Dec 29, 2023 20:24:53 GMT
okay im going to go through the entire forum since i went to bed last night and got 6 hours to establish myself this game besides the mechanic clearing me currently
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Post by C7 on Dec 29, 2023 20:33:43 GMT
Thank you STP for speaking 150+ times d1, It means a lot to me. I am developing a time saving method called Reading Backwards because I am not going though STP's townie junk drawer to find actual reads
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