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Post by cuddleszz on Jan 1, 2024 18:49:58 GMT
how about you make a decision and VOTE
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Jan 1, 2024 19:02:05 GMT
Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ Looks like you're down to vote penguind, but I want to hear succinctly from you, what a towncore looks like for you right now + where you look when PenguinD flips as either alignment my greens are ~relatively unchanged. Condensed:
Cuddsz/Aligning are mechtown from where i'm at; friendly neighbor [x] claim is pretty hard to fake in non-bastard & even absent the role there's a brazenness to cudds's play this game that tracks as vill, and while i'm not fully onboard with some of his tinfoilier reads, i think a lot of his sorting is pretty sound here and his procession through these past few phases has been commensurate w/ what i'd expect from a proposed villager in his position (self-resolving outed rolepower with having lived to see the game through two redflips & an annoying but manageable pool of slanks to resolve). As far as aligning goes, it would literally kill me to see the mason discourse continue into Day 4. He's town until we have reason to suspect non-hostile third party scum.
IAVH still has the perspective stuff from D1 going for him, next biggest thing going for him is the candor, like i just straight up cannot believe that, however meager his production has been, clem would be able to give progressions like this [x] [x] as wolf--where there's a rhythm to the messages and a degree of imagination to the read that, even if it feels kind of out-there, is exactly the sort of thing that i think a wolf like clem, who's given to freezing, would have trouble faking due to TMI, least of all following a D1 redflip on maf PR. yosh's vote def reads as spew here too, like someone just kind of slapping the panic button on their way out
With you, a lot of it's worldview/motion-to-solve/voterallying/etc as stated, but I think there's also some decent contrast from tropicana (where arguably the same points could be raised in your favor) where like, there's just overall less gamesmanship/plausibly-deniable-ATE infusion being used to disruptive ends from what i can tell. like when the game ended and roles were outed & everything was laid open, one of the things that definitely stood out to me in post-game reflection was thinking abt how you were able to ingratiate yourself with the core/pseudo-masonry--which was actually doing a solid job of self-curating, thinking abt how blips like Litt got filtered out and question marks like Mac got incorporated in ultimately pro-town ways--and i think back to that one phase in particular where you spun my piece-mailed claim as wolfy to break me and Clouds in the midgame. obviously the OC factor was pretty crucial there but i think fundamentally the aspect of play that made that game work for you was that element of "spin"--which I don't really get here at all. nothing's textured, it's all urgency & posting that follows naturally from that urgency.
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Jan 1, 2024 19:03:03 GMT
how about you make a decision and VOTE girl be patient i'm mid-monologue |
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Post by cuddleszz on Jan 1, 2024 19:15:59 GMT
btw its only town or mafia this game impossible to for me to be any other alignment
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Post by passthesaltdude on Jan 1, 2024 20:02:39 GMT
HI Me and Pisx are a team of amazing people I have had a lot of family over recently so i havent been able to read. I will read this all tomorrow morning and have my thoughts by tomorrow afternoon sorry for my absecene Do you happen to have any unwanted results you would like to share with the class? No? I’ve been afk the entire time sorry |
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Jan 1, 2024 20:31:41 GMT
i would *like* to throw C7 and Clouds in there too but my main reservations there are like, for Cecil it's v v difficult for me to reconcile the things he purports to be concerned about w/ the energy he brought to the thread on sub-in. like, spidey activity is NAI (almost as NAI as it is for folks like TBZ) and the things he did give us when he was here were pretty hit/miss but Cecil coming in, gunning straight for the mech and then coming down on the roster for thread activity while also needing his teeth pulled to offer reads on the folks who have posted or even to cast a vote is really alarming for me. it's a hallmark of his scumgame from even our earliest games together (though latest case example is his SK game from this past summer [x] if anyone wants to run comparison on it). i think the sanity check here is that, having subbed into a game with a D1 redflip, into a slot that gave light protest to wagoning that flip, cecil was incredibly present, to a point bordering on threadcamping--so it's like, not much to contribute, but very few inhibitions around that fact, which nets some town points again.
i've kind of been through the situation with clouds, so i don't really want to beat a dead horse with it, but it's really just one of those cases where the slot needs to give more--and i know regardless of alignment, clouds is aware of this, so i'm trying not to let things cloud my judgment here too much. but the townreads-on-very-little, the weird moments of condescension/sarcasm in lieu of progression, etc. are still kind of hard to let go of for me. biggest defense i think in favor of a TR is that when clouds *is* bothering to spell things out, there's a thoroughness i really like & imo skews villagery. would also say that the lack of static-ness to the reads is p marked for me here too--i think i've said in previous games that v!clouds feels to me like he's constantly in troubleshooting mode, and i get enough glimpses of that this game to feel good about just kind of shelfing him
like if we're talking triage i think they're both in this position where there's enough villageriness going on in their orbit that i'm content to put them in a rung below core, but i feel like the moment shit starts hitting the fan they're slots we need to start looking at much more thoroughly. something like:
core: cudds/align/fame/schi/iavh advisory board: cecil/clouds
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Jan 1, 2024 20:37:01 GMT
i do think your right cudds that optimality says peng gets handled last--bg claim self-resolves if we're regimented about sorting the absentee slots, and as much as i'd love to press fast-forward there, it's probably just Correct to weed out the slankers while we're in a position to do so
VOTE lindauna
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Jan 1, 2024 20:46:24 GMT
out of a bucket of like, pisx/lindy/pass, i think pass def has had some good shouts. you could probably call Newcomb on a few of his posts but having hydra'd with him before i'm honestly less inclined to hold that against him, and there's some worldview stuff [x] [x] i like even if i don't necessarily land on all the same conclusions |
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Jan 1, 2024 20:52:03 GMT
pisx is kind of eh to call RWSTFO on just given her forum (in)experience in general, albeit i do think there's something to the thought of a myan/yosh/pisx team playing ut DOA in a game like this. lindy has an actual track record of kind of floundering when posed with doing catch-up from a weak position as wolf. holidays continue to make this Dumb and Shitty to have to consider but in the spirit of Not Overthinking This, it wouldn't be too different from how she played apeirophobia [x] |
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Post by Fenrir on Jan 1, 2024 20:59:37 GMT
VOTECOUNT 4.1
Numbers in parentheses following a player's name reflect their current post count in the phase. If the deadline was right now, lindauna would be eliminated.
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Post by Clouds on Jan 1, 2024 21:18:31 GMT
i've kind of been through the situation with clouds, so i don't really want to beat a dead horse with it, but it's really just one of those cases where the slot needs to give more--and i know regardless of alignment, clouds is aware of this, so i'm trying not to let things cloud my judgment here too much. but the townreads-on-very-little, the weird moments of condescension/sarcasm in lieu of progression, etc. are still kind of hard to let go of for me. biggest defense i think in favor of a TR is that when clouds *is* bothering to spell things out, there's a thoroughness i really like & imo skews villagery. would also say that the lack of static-ness to the reads is p marked for me here too--i think i've said in previous games that v!clouds feels to me like he's constantly in troubleshooting mode, and i get enough glimpses of that this game to feel good about just kind of shelfing him
core: cudds/align/fame/schi/iavh advisory board: cecil/clouds valid criticisms, sarcasm flame won't fade out though cause i got penguind on my back like a pond leech but hey, we wound up at the exact same townlist with a few positions swapped around inside it |
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Post by Clouds on Jan 1, 2024 21:39:30 GMT
AligningStars
Cuddleszz
iamveryhappy
C7
Fame
Schiavetto
penguind
passthesaltdude
lindauna
pisxel
i'm fine with this now since schia's catchup reads blissfully free of agenda. i like their explanation of the iavh TR & it's pretty in line with the sort of things i'd expect t!schia to be picking up on, such as the yosh vote more or less looking like spew as well as a couple of iavh's read progressions outpacing what he's typically shown in his wolfgames. currently feeling like lindauna has a chance to be a hit if she's just completely frozen but continuing to check the thread without posting, not sure pass has inspired a lot of confidence either but as stated before, those two shouldn't be the team here. lindauna did have slightly more incentive to NK micro there, but of course that's not a tell-all. the issue with s!pass is -- penguin pairs with anyone in the POE, pass i can't see with anyone except like, pisxel, and even then fame brought up some reasons to think they wouldn't be together. so if pass is mafia, maybe his partner is outside it, unless he truly entered the thread hard townreading a partner peng despite peng being in murky waters. lindauna could be wolf with pisxel or peng, pisxel kinda fits with any of them... in any case, landing on lindauna here seems like the right move
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Post by Clouds on Jan 1, 2024 21:44:13 GMT
ah friendly neighbor, didn't know that had a name to it
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Post by AligningStars on Jan 1, 2024 21:57:06 GMT
So we are voting lind for inactivity?
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Post by Fame on Jan 1, 2024 22:18:34 GMT
So we are voting lind for inactivity? I mean, it's a spicy policy vote so yes but there are some tangential reasons ig |
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Post by cuddleszz on Jan 1, 2024 22:32:58 GMT
unvote pisx vote lindauna
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Post by AligningStars on Jan 1, 2024 22:45:44 GMT
Ok cool. I won't vote mainly cuz I do t want plur to happen
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Post by cuddleszz on Jan 1, 2024 23:00:37 GMT
she already has the plur you speak of my good sir
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Post by C7 on Jan 2, 2024 0:23:48 GMT
Pisx should speak or be subbed out at this point IMO
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Jan 2, 2024 0:36:55 GMT
posting my estranged lover eva noblezada to summon pisx to the thread
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Jan 2, 2024 0:38:00 GMT
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Jan 2, 2024 0:38:26 GMT
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Jan 2, 2024 0:39:08 GMT
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Jan 2, 2024 0:39:50 GMT
Pisx should speak or be subbed out at this point IMO realtalk though do you have Any other thoughts |
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Jan 2, 2024 0:41:40 GMT
like i kind of get that things are on slowdrip rn but we should be organizing while there's time to organize & in the interest of attempting any kind of cohesion it would be rally nice to have like, any kind of additional input
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