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Post by Gary The Savage on Jan 14, 2024 4:49:51 GMT
1. Are you confident to call Clouds town? I'm not hesitant to townread Clouds, I'm hesitant to write him off as town and be convinced of it. 2. For you the same applies. The only thing is I know only 1 of you can be town rn, and for all I care that could be FTF. It could be s!Clouds and s!edj. I'm not hesitant to read any player in this game. But what I don't want to do is call them a certain alliance and then tunnel myself down a path where I have to convince myself that they are that alliance. If I'm forcing myself to commit somebody to a certain alliance, it probably isn't the right thing to do. 3. Are you confident to call FTF scum? I've stated before primarily its a lack of activity and I'm simply not convinced by the points already brought up about him. 4. "You want him to be your ace in the hole if me or Clouds gets voted"- This here seemingly implies that you've not only written me off as scum, you've written FTF off as scum with me? If this is the case how can you be so confident, especially when considering Clouds thoughts towards me? What I'm getting at here is what makes you so sure it's s!Gary and s!FTF and not s!Gary and s!Clouds? Why not? Has my little content and reading of FTF convinced you it MUST be me and FTF? And I don't wanna here this "reads can change" bullshit. Yeah, they can. But this is something else. You're so sold on me for God knows what reason but I really don't know where to take this from here. 5. Me this game is not you last game. Nor can I control when FTF comes online as I am not FTF. 6. Hot Question: What does TMI even mean in Mafia context? Like when did we start using it kek 1. You're hesitant to call him town yet you want FTF to push him? Okay, makes sense 2. Okay so I'm scum with Clouds. That's why you want him voted? Okay, makes sense 3. I'm not confident to call FTF scum, I need to go through his iso to see if there's anything of worth there 4. I was explaining possibilities based on how you wrote that post, I was saying that the way you wrote it seemed like you already had something set. So yes if you are scum then it seems you had some sort of plan set up with FTF in mind. It's either making him seem like a partner because he's the town and would get voted off or he actually is the partner and you're legit maing a plan 5. Whatever 6. Are you asking me? TMI in that context means I think you had information on the game and you're trying to plan something with it 1. Game has changed but honestly yes. I did want FTF on him. Already said I was calling a bluff to see if you and him would actually do it. 2. I didn't say that, I said you could be. 3. Okay so that t!Clouds thing has seemingly dissolved yet you also believe that if Clouds flips town game is just over? 4. okay 5. okay 6. FTF already answered this for me
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Post by Gary The Savage on Jan 14, 2024 4:50:14 GMT
If you flip scum, I can then process which of edj and ftf is the other town, and I'd probably lean edj- especially with ftf following through on the vote. k so you're saying if i was mafia then ftf would be the more likely partner to me because he'd have leveraged your offer for him to vote me as an excuse to vote his partner correct
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Post by Clouds on Jan 14, 2024 4:50:45 GMT
edj certainly reads the most genuine to me atm, for whatever that's worth
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Post by Clouds on Jan 14, 2024 4:51:42 GMT
6. Are you asking me? TMI in that context means I think you had information on the game and you're trying to plan something with it 6. FTF already answered this for me where?
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Post by Edjeanerations on Jan 14, 2024 4:52:05 GMT
dichotomies usually suck but it's 4p looking at gary and ed rn it's like
i feel like ed's early dayphase and his later posts suggest a foregone conclusion going from gary is the easiest to read->me and gary are unaligned feels in part like he was actively working towards that goal
Yes you're 100% correct. If the person I said was the easiest to read was the person I scumread, why would I not try to push them so that the rest of the game knows how I feel about that? I explained the first thing that made me suspect Gary, and trying to stress that this isn't some kind of ploy is also something that I don't regret doing. Are you trying to say that this was a scummy plan? Because it sounds townie to me
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Post by ForgotToFlush on Jan 14, 2024 4:52:16 GMT
1. Are you confident to call Clouds town? I'm not hesitant to townread Clouds, I'm hesitant to write him off as town and be convinced of it. 2. For you the same applies. The only thing is I know only 1 of you can be town rn, and for all I care that could be FTF. It could be s!Clouds and s!edj. I'm not hesitant to read any player in this game. But what I don't want to do is call them a certain alliance and then tunnel myself down a path where I have to convince myself that they are that alliance. If I'm forcing myself to commit somebody to a certain alliance, it probably isn't the right thing to do. 3. Are you confident to call FTF scum? I've stated before primarily its a lack of activity and I'm simply not convinced by the points already brought up about him. 4. "You want him to be your ace in the hole if me or Clouds gets voted"- This here seemingly implies that you've not only written me off as scum, you've written FTF off as scum with me? If this is the case how can you be so confident, especially when considering Clouds thoughts towards me? What I'm getting at here is what makes you so sure it's s!Gary and s!FTF and not s!Gary and s!Clouds? Why not? Has my little content and reading of FTF convinced you it MUST be me and FTF? And I don't wanna here this "reads can change" bullshit. Yeah, they can. But this is something else. You're so sold on me for God knows what reason but I really don't know where to take this from here. 5. Me this game is not you last game. Nor can I control when FTF comes online as I am not FTF. 6. Hot Question: What does TMI even mean in Mafia context? Like when did we start using it kek tmi is like wolves know who town are sometimes they let it slip that they know
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Post by Clouds on Jan 14, 2024 4:52:19 GMT
also sidenote just want to say you're all playing very well and making this extremely difficult for me lol
bout to get that player of the year title rescinded after the master choke
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Post by Gary The Savage on Jan 14, 2024 4:52:35 GMT
I am town, edjeanerations. If Clouds is town, then that would mean you and FTF are scum. This helps me because in this case FTF could just be saying Clouds is town, but it's not in scum's best position to vote town. So I wanted him to follow his statements through and see if he was just stating it. Second, I'm sure both FTF and I would love to be voted. I'm sorry I don't beg and plead and get down on my knees for it. I'll play the game as it comes. Third, You said Clouds was the towniest of him, me, and FTF at a different point where I asked earlier and that you had thought he was town most of any other player? Would you like me to get that quote where you said something along those lines? IF YOU ARE TOWN THEN WHY ARE YOU NOT TRYING TO GET VOTED?? I'm not saying you have to badger people like I do but I can't recall even once where you said "I'm the best option today" or "I should be the vote today." In my eyes the townies should be trying to get voted just as much as Mafia is, but the weird thing is that Clouds seems to be the only one fine with being voted other than me I would like to be voted. You're missing the point. I want the other town to find me and vote me because of my reads on other players and game analyses. I do not need to scream "PLEASE VOTE ME I BEG UWU PLEASE I'M TOWN VOTE ME AT ALL COSTS OH NO I'M GONNA PERISH IF I'M NOT VOTED". Which is how you're acting. There are other options. Hell, you said it before. The game doesn't end if town isn't voted. Even if a misvote happens, we move, we play the game from there.
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Post by ForgotToFlush on Jan 14, 2024 4:53:07 GMT
dichotomies usually suck but it's 4p looking at gary and ed rn it's like
i feel like ed's early dayphase and his later posts suggest a foregone conclusion going from gary is the easiest to read->me and gary are unaligned feels in part like he was actively working towards that goal
Yes you're 100% correct. If the person I said was the easiest to read was the person I scumread, why would I not try to push them so that the rest of the game knows how I feel about that? I explained the first thing that made me suspect Gary, and trying to stress that this isn't some kind of ploy is also something that I don't regret doing. Are you trying to say that this was a scummy plan? Because it sounds townie to me this feels like an almost malicious misinterpretation of what I said
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Post by Gary The Savage on Jan 14, 2024 4:53:55 GMT
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Post by Clouds on Jan 14, 2024 4:54:30 GMT
IF YOU ARE TOWN THEN WHY ARE YOU NOT TRYING TO GET VOTED?? I do not need to scream "PLEASE VOTE ME I BEG UWU PLEASE I'M TOWN VOTE ME AT ALL COSTS OH NO I'M GONNA PERISH IF I'M NOT VOTED". Which is how you're acting. i'm so glad this is the combination of players in the finale this is a top tier game
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Post by Clouds on Jan 14, 2024 4:54:47 GMT
I do not need to scream "PLEASE VOTE ME I BEG UWU PLEASE I'M TOWN VOTE ME AT ALL COSTS OH NO I'M GONNA PERISH IF I'M NOT VOTED". Which is how you're acting. i'm so glad this is the combination of players in the finale this is a top tier game that's not sarcastic this is more fun than my last two not just because i'm town
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Post by Edjeanerations on Jan 14, 2024 4:55:01 GMT
further with s!edje i feel like the agenda boils down to get voted at all costs distancing with gary aligns with that goal for at least d1 but idk how well it serves a garyxedje pair on d2
Once again, you're correct. My agenda is to get voted, but not for the reason you think. I'd rather be voted first because I need you guys to understand what my whole gameplay is. Plus if you really want to solve me vs Gary why would you not vote one of us? You're 100% confident that town is you and Clouds? Sure you may think that Gary and I arguing a little bit worked game 2, but look at our game 1 and you'll see genuine shit
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Post by Edjeanerations on Jan 14, 2024 4:55:18 GMT
Fucking blame you two, what do you think?
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Post by Gary The Savage on Jan 14, 2024 4:55:24 GMT
I do not need to scream "PLEASE VOTE ME I BEG UWU PLEASE I'M TOWN VOTE ME AT ALL COSTS OH NO I'M GONNA PERISH IF I'M NOT VOTED". Which is how you're acting. i'm so glad this is the combination of players in the finale this is a top tier game I have a lot of choice words I'd like to use for this game especially for the past half hour
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Post by ForgotToFlush on Jan 14, 2024 4:55:25 GMT
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Post by Gary The Savage on Jan 14, 2024 4:56:16 GMT
Fucking blame you two, what do you think? okay but does that win you the game?
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Post by Edjeanerations on Jan 14, 2024 4:56:18 GMT
Yes you're 100% correct. If the person I said was the easiest to read was the person I scumread, why would I not try to push them so that the rest of the game knows how I feel about that? I explained the first thing that made me suspect Gary, and trying to stress that this isn't some kind of ploy is also something that I don't regret doing. Are you trying to say that this was a scummy plan? Because it sounds townie to me this feels like an almost malicious misinterpretation of what I said
No I'm saying that what you've said is 100% correct even though you're trying to spin it as if it makes me seem scummier, but it doesn't lol
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Post by ForgotToFlush on Jan 14, 2024 4:56:47 GMT
further with s!edje i feel like the agenda boils down to get voted at all costs distancing with gary aligns with that goal for at least d1 but idk how well it serves a garyxedje pair on d2
Once again, you're correct. My agenda is to get voted, but not for the reason you think. I'd rather be voted first because I need you guys to understand what my whole gameplay is. Plus if you really want to solve me vs Gary why would you not vote one of us? You're 100% confident that town is you and Clouds? Sure you may think that Gary and I arguing a little bit worked game 2, but look at our game 1 and you'll see genuine shit if you're town you aren't actually showing me the nuance required to make this point borderline desperation makes no sense to me at this stage of the game
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Post by Gary The Savage on Jan 14, 2024 4:57:13 GMT
further with s!edje i feel like the agenda boils down to get voted at all costs distancing with gary aligns with that goal for at least d1 but idk how well it serves a garyxedje pair on d2
Once again, you're correct. My agenda is to get voted, but not for the reason you think. I'd rather be voted first because I need you guys to understand what my whole gameplay is. Plus if you really want to solve me vs Gary why would you not vote one of us? You're 100% confident that town is you and Clouds? Sure you may think that Gary and I arguing a little bit worked game 2, but look at our game 1 and you'll see genuine shit Okay but at some point you have to accept you're not going to be voted and move from there based on other players general consensus. You then go to whomever you townread the most.
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Post by Clouds on Jan 14, 2024 4:57:18 GMT
i seriously don't know or understand what gary's agenda as mafia here would be, not that he can't be mafia, just that it's... confusing
like he was frothing at the mouth to get ftf & edj to vote me? and clear me? why not just vote me yourself lol why give them the chance to look better post-flip
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Post by Edjeanerations on Jan 14, 2024 4:57:26 GMT
I do not need to scream "PLEASE VOTE ME I BEG UWU PLEASE I'M TOWN VOTE ME AT ALL COSTS OH NO I'M GONNA PERISH IF I'M NOT VOTED". Which is how you're acting. i'm so glad this is the combination of players in the finale this is a top tier game See this is why he's annoying me.
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Post by Edjeanerations on Jan 14, 2024 4:57:58 GMT
Once again, you're correct. My agenda is to get voted, but not for the reason you think. I'd rather be voted first because I need you guys to understand what my whole gameplay is. Plus if you really want to solve me vs Gary why would you not vote one of us? You're 100% confident that town is you and Clouds? Sure you may think that Gary and I arguing a little bit worked game 2, but look at our game 1 and you'll see genuine shit if you're town you aren't actually showing me the nuance required to make this point borderline desperation makes no sense to me at this stage of the gameWhy not? I'm still making reads, am I not? What's wrong with asking to be voted when it's worked before?
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Post by Edjeanerations on Jan 14, 2024 4:58:20 GMT
i seriously don't know or understand what gary's agenda as mafia here would be, not that he can't be mafia, just that it's... confusing like he was frothing at the mouth to get ftf & edj to vote me? and clear me? why not just vote me yourself lol why give them the chance to look better post-flip THAT'S WHAT IM SAYING
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Post by ForgotToFlush on Jan 14, 2024 4:58:32 GMT
this feels like an almost malicious misinterpretation of what I said
No I'm saying that what you've said is 100% correct even though you're trying to spin it as if it makes me seem scummier, but it doesn't lol your reaction is to the surface level actions i have brought attention to my concerns are with what's happening between the lines so yeah you can just keep puffing out hot air but like where am i supposed to go from here with you lol
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