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Post by slowthepoke on Feb 10, 2024 2:58:40 GMT
Ftf its not giving up, i currently think clpuds is scummier than abcaba atm, if abcaba wants to support me with tje clpuds vote then its weird but like its not gonna change mu read on them or shit
but hopefully you can understand why it does not necessarily suffice
even if the partner read doesn't pan out in the end for me,
it's a concerning lack of perspective given the chronological order of events
maybe this can be chalked up to you looking strange bc of timing but
i currently think it's worth exploring given that you've both done the "will they wont they" since d1
Expain the last line |
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Post by ForgotToFlush on Feb 10, 2024 2:59:43 GMT
i can understand this explanation
but hopefully you can understand why it does not necessarily suffice
even if the partner read doesn't pan out in the end for me,
it's a concerning lack of perspective given the chronological order of events
maybe this can be chalked up to you looking strange bc of timing but
i currently think it's worth exploring given that you've both done the "will they wont they" since d1
Expain the last line  but instead of romance it's you two not pushing each other for real
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Post by slowthepoke on Feb 10, 2024 3:01:02 GMT
Id fucking push them more if everyone didnt fucking tr them
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Post by ForgotToFlush on Feb 10, 2024 3:03:50 GMT
like it's so easy to say "but look at how we push each other"
when it's a premeditated act of distancing that you're
1) both cognizant of and
2) plan to use as a pre-emptive defence and
3) are generally trying to look unpartnered anyways, per your win condition
I guess the most succinct way I can put this is
Nothing you two have said to or about each other currently makes me think you're unpartnered
I think the most damning evidence against this theory is that I don't know if two individual partners would come out guns blazing against clouds at SOD like this
like it's certainly an agenda that makes sense for the team given the votes but these exact actions you've both taken feel circus like
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Post by ForgotToFlush on Feb 10, 2024 3:04:34 GMT
Id fucking push them more if everyone didnt fucking tr them
you had them at the bottom of your list and were voting them a half hour or so ago
you switched bc of your conversation with them no?
did anyone voice a strong tr in that time?
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Post by ForgotToFlush on Feb 10, 2024 3:06:01 GMT
im heading out for the night
you should all think about the things i've said for unhealthy amounts of time
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Post by slowthepoke on Feb 10, 2024 3:07:20 GMT
Id fucking push them more if everyone didnt fucking tr them
you had them at the bottom of your list and were voting them a half hour or so ago
you switched bc of your conversation with them no?
did anyone voice a strong tr in that time?
No but no one was willing to vote them and most people just tled tjem. |
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Post by slowthepoke on Feb 10, 2024 3:13:48 GMT
Ok glad i dont have to deal with ftf rn time to try to find a reason to read tjem
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Post by abcaba on Feb 10, 2024 3:25:18 GMT
alright gonna go to bed can't wait to wake up to 5 pages tmrw
b4 i go i do wanna say that most of the stp/ftf convo was useless, arguing about post times and stuff
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Post by Clouds on Feb 10, 2024 8:30:56 GMT
I fucking hate clouds slot here smh. None of the shit that theyve posted have felt genunine or given me any source of towniness besides what Clouds is normally able to do. Their reads feel forced as fuck and I feel like they were only going after LHF slots. I hate the reasoning that they voted PTSD since it was so exaggerated it almost makes me think its something only t! clouds would do. I cant trust a single thing that they say here and think that its actually t! Clouds telling me that. Its so fucking annoying since I feel like theres a chance that clouds is just fucking playing horribly and that theyre town but I dont want to think that. it's one vote, it's not gonna be aced every time the time i had to read & dissect everything, then decide where i stand, was confined to a couple hour windows |
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Post by Clouds on Feb 10, 2024 8:45:56 GMT
ForgotToFlush
SlowThePoke
SaltiestCactus23
rest doesn't matter for now, clean slate and starting here
i'll be back tomorrow to think more about this, but these are the slots i come back to with the steadiest townreads
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Post by Clouds on Feb 10, 2024 8:52:40 GMT
I think ftf might be the most town ish imo, and that cop would best be used on PTSD/me/abcaba what made you say these were the best cop targets? also, can you explain your current stance on abc's slot? & abcaba, same in reverse on turtwig's slot |
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Post by Clouds on Feb 10, 2024 9:03:34 GMT
ForgotToFlush not sure where you stand with it now, but not feeling the STP wolf equity don't think he'd cough up a post with all the unpartnering dynamics like he did as mafia, if you read in between the lines, you can trace the progression we should reeval abc & prod the most here, crespo is just a pain point for me in that i think he can just as easily be a miss as he can be a hit, but i can see universes existing where he's the resident town mislim and the team is 2 of 3 in abc/prod/turtwigs -- @crespo gonna need you to pull your weight here... point blank i think if you're not mafia, it's just 2 in those 3 turtwig's has several posts where i feel like they're exhibiting too much awareness of their thread perception, i.e. "this'll make me suspicious but..." and including themselves in a cop target pool as well, showing an increased level of attention or concern towards where cop would be checking. that sort of riding on rails tends to be more scum indicative i feel, but i also have some bias towards voting abc here due to how he's treating stp's slot. initially, i was thinking this was more likely tvt, but now i'm more at like, stp is town and abc is ? to explain more what i mean with abc's treatment of stp's slot, an s!abc perspective would mean he's fighting fires with stp's read and trying to not retaliate, while also leveraging stp's misread on me and feathering that along while he can take advantage of it. despite the plausibility of this, there are still existing reasons to believe abc can be town here, so we'll see how today goes
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Post by Clouds on Feb 10, 2024 9:06:29 GMT
and i don't think if throhs can even work with crespo here switched it up out of nowhere and voted crespo, prefacing it with "this won't make sense with my reads" if it's not prod, & my townreads on sc/ftf are correct, that would make the pass wagon entirely pure not impossible but eh... prod is the most likely of that wagon to flip mafia for sure |
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Post by Clouds on Feb 10, 2024 9:15:01 GMT
On the turt read: ok so basically ur using the faulty logic of suboptimal play = town. I think that you're doing 1 of 2 things 1. using that reasoning to pocket turt/make a paper thin read
2. using said faulty reasoning so that ppl continue to tr u based on said reasoning even tho its so dumb. its basically like "oh turt is playing like a new player so they must be new town" when you haven't even considered the fact that it could be new scum On prod - ur literally saying that they're being passive and putting them at null for it but literally calling me scum for it? After I make this post i'll be happy to explain why i didn't shift to toni other than the misvotecount thing those are the only 2 reads i disagree with i feel like the other reads have some basis to them, imo cactus > ftf but w/e ...so what conclusion are you drawing here about stp's alignment? it's like you're prying apart what he's doing in a court of law and presenting all these possibilities, some of which seem to suggest you think he could have mafia equity because he's acting in bad faith, but it winds up being unclear what you actually think about stp's slot what do you think about turt being a new forum player town vs new forum player scum? i want to hear more about your reason for not wanting toni voted too, i get why you didn't vote ptsd based on your prior stance on his slot |
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Post by Clouds on Feb 10, 2024 9:17:20 GMT
i do think that voting clouds is more beneficial than voting you rn, primarilly bc you have more interactions which we can read on
? can you explain to me how x correlates to y here, how does a player having more interactions make them a worse vote on the grounds of info? |
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Post by Clouds on Feb 10, 2024 9:27:02 GMT
Why is turt townie as opposed to null They haven’t said anything alignment indicative this is an absurd line as well, when you consider that abc himself was the first player to give turt town points for "not blindly trusting others" after the most meager post turt made about stp so... chance of this being svs with turt and looking to cover tracks a bit? hard to say, but don't see how abc -- someone who previously commented on turt's early towniness -- would reasonably get to a place where instead of agreeing with the sentiment about turt being kinda townie, would then use someone's townread on turt as a weapon of sorts against them |
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Post by Clouds on Feb 10, 2024 9:28:13 GMT
Vote pool today for me is stp/ turt/clouds and then he's back in the votepool here when, of course, turt is in no danger whatsoever |
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Post by Clouds on Feb 10, 2024 9:31:30 GMT
 everyone should start working on one of these btw^
7 players to sort from any townie's perspective should be easy enough
looking at my direct scumpool as reduced to 4, here's a run through partner equity... abc
- does he keep crespo out of his final votepool if they're svs & crespo is near voted? i'd think he'd want to position himself to where crespo is a viable vote to him per his public stance - can partner with turt - honestly not feeling the prod partnership a ton just due to how abc talked about prod's slot early on and how he radiated "hard town vibes" all the time, almost too bold to be svs prod
- can partner with turt - see above concerns about equity with abc - can partner with crespo turt
- can partner with abc - can partner with prod - unlikely to partner with crespo crespo- unlikely to partner with turt - can partner with prod - see above concerns about partnering with abc, though not entirely out of the question |
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Post by Clouds on Feb 10, 2024 9:35:57 GMT
Feel like im not…. Overly committed to this votepool rn and think theres some leeway for other votes atm vote crespo for now though Wanna mainly see progressions from Toni / Turt slots atm what pushed the needle away from a crespo vote and onto a ptsd vote for you then? |
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Post by Clouds on Feb 10, 2024 9:44:24 GMT
so, my current best shot at a solve is:
- 1 in turtwigs/crespo
- 1 in abc/prod
and the teams i'd say have the highest equity are:
- abc & turt
- prod & turt
[drop down in partner equity]
- prod & crespo
crespo's fitting more into the game's mold as a floundering town as opposed to a mafia slot... reflects my thoughts atm. so it could wind up being turt +1 of abc/prod, which would explain why both of them were insistent on keeping turt in their votepool without driving a push on him forward. all that aside, turtwig's play as of late does not inspire me to think they're town working towards a solve. too much concern with their own perception, too little direct involvement in progression of the game
vote TurtwigswithThrohs
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Post by slowthepoke on Feb 10, 2024 11:21:26 GMT
everyone should start working on one of these btw^
7 players to sort from any townie's perspective should be easy enough
crespo,turt, possibly clouds, not partnered with sc, frf clouds crespo, ftf, prod possibly abcaba, not partnered with turt/sc ftf clouds, turt, most likely unpartnered with abcaba sc possibly ftf/turt/prod, unpartnered with abcaba and clouds turt abcaba, ftf, possibly sc, unpartnered with clouds and crespo prod sc, clouds, crespo, prob most likely unpartnered with turt crespo abcaba, clouds, prod, unpartnered with turt |
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Post by abcaba on Feb 10, 2024 13:21:50 GMT
On the turt read: ok so basically ur using the faulty logic of suboptimal play = town. I think that you're doing 1 of 2 things 1. using that reasoning to pocket turt/make a paper thin read
2. using said faulty reasoning so that ppl continue to tr u based on said reasoning even tho its so dumb. its basically like "oh turt is playing like a new player so they must be new town" when you haven't even considered the fact that it could be new scum On prod - ur literally saying that they're being passive and putting them at null for it but literally calling me scum for it? After I make this post i'll be happy to explain why i didn't shift to toni other than the misvotecount thing those are the only 2 reads i disagree with i feel like the other reads have some basis to them, imo cactus > ftf but w/e ...so what conclusion are you drawing here about stp's alignment? it's like you're prying apart what he's doing in a court of law and presenting all these possibilities, some of which seem to suggest you think he could have mafia equity because he's acting in bad faith, but it winds up being unclear what you actually think about stp's slot what do you think about turt being a new forum player town vs new forum player scum? i want to hear more about your reason for not wanting toni voted too, i get why you didn't vote ptsd based on your prior stance on his slot I was just simply looking at stp’s reads and stating my opinions on them. I’m trying to not tunnel stp and see if his reads have town merit. As for turt, I have turt at basically around null rn, would love if they could state reads. My stance on Toni is that they’re responding to posts by a lot of players have made, which I want to keep around to see how they interact with said reads. |
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Post by slowthepoke on Feb 10, 2024 13:30:33 GMT
everyone should start working on one of these btw^
7 players to sort from any townie's perspective should be easy enough
crespo,turt, possibly clouds, not partnered with sc, frf clouds crespo, ftf, prod possibly abcaba, not partnered with turt/sc ftf clouds, turt, most likely unpartnered with abcaba sc possibly ftf/turt/prod, unpartnered with abcaba and clouds turt abcaba, ftf, possibly sc, unpartnered with clouds and crespo prod sc, clouds, crespo, prob most likely unpartnered with turt crespo abcaba, clouds, prod, unpartnered with turt Yeah act ngl turt and abcaba can be partners here |
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Post by slowthepoke on Feb 10, 2024 14:17:23 GMT
Ig ill just say
1 in abcaba/ftf and 1 in clouds/crespo is what my solve is rn
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