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Post by slowthepoke on Feb 10, 2024 14:18:06 GMT
Ig ill just say 1 in abcaba/ftf and 1 in clouds/crespo is what my solve is rn Still think its most likely abcaba + crespo vote abcaba |
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Post by iavh on Feb 10, 2024 19:34:29 GMT
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Post by Prodigu on Feb 10, 2024 20:35:11 GMT
Feel like im not…. Overly committed to this votepool rn and think theres some leeway for other votes atm vote crespo for now though Wanna mainly see progressions from Toni / Turt slots atm what pushed the needle away from a crespo vote and onto a ptsd vote for you then? Originally it wasnt going to be on Crespo [my vote wasnt Crespo into voting PTSD, it was Vote Crespo, Unvote, Vote PTSD], i unvoted before that. I was coming to the idea of ptsd + turt being a possible team as you had suggested earlier, and then Turt at the time made some semi-weird posts in my eyes and i started questioning / pushing him b/c of it [This is probably why STP is saying a potential partnership btwn me + turt is unlikely here] so I voted PTSD thinking: if he flips scum im going to Turt next as i thought a potential partnership was there, and wanted to explore that option first b/c at the minimum a PTSD vote wouldve gotten us more information into other slots than voting Crespo who at the time, and still at the time doesnt have a lot of content to make much out of / wouldnt get us much So at EOD essentially it was 3 PTSD 3 Crespo, with Plur on PTSD so had i done nothing PTSD was still going over at the time I have some reservations about shifting plur that close to EOD as i myself look at it in a not great light, and i also was currently not on a vote at the time, and wanted to at least place an opinion somewhere rather than nowhere (which was obviously wrong atp as PTSD flipped T) I did fully know coming into D2 that i probably wouldnt be looked at well if PTSD flipped town, but i also know well enough that youd (not necessarily you but i think other players in the thread in general) prob be looking at me similarly (somewhat at least) if i had no vote Not just about wanting to not shift plur, Crespo was also actively not at EOD and PTSD had claimed HT another point about not wanting to vote Crespo ended up also boiling down to: I dont want to accidentally D1 the afk FV, lemme context it with: no i dont think Crespo is necessarily the FV or not, but it came out of a: if PTSD was FV i would just unvote him immediately and shift plur to Crespo instead Rn i think its interesting that youre pairing me + Turt as potential so id like to see why you think a partnership is there, additionally i think if you wanted to pair me with someone here Crespo should be the highest likelihood if i flip mafia based off of that EOD, Fwiw i think the other votes on PTSD wagon should be looked at which i feel is somewhat being overlooked to an extent atm, like SC's vote was pmuch just a sheep on you (idr if he had more progression than that or not as i have a headache while writing this and am not looking back rn), i do think your vote was interesting as well when you based it on ptsd having tmi on Crespo but later (before your vote) he himself somewhat backtracked on his TR/TL on Crespo and said something of the effect that it was too strong at the time (idr his exact words but ik he addressed it to some extent again im not reading back atm) i think thats something you would have caught / seen, i currently dont have much comments on Flush's vote moreso b/c i dont super remember the context at the time so looking back and seeing if i have any thoughts about it is a point i should at least take a look at. I do also relatively think that, you and flush parking ur votes there and not being around eod is more nai than anything (iirc ik there was some commenting about it but im ok with overlooking it atm) b/c the DL is at a semi-weird time more weird for me less weird for host mainly weird b/c thats around when im getting home from work / not a time im super around so i am looking at you both not being at eod in a better context Think the best things rn for us is looking into ptsd wagon (which we are to some extent) and try to partner / unpartner ppl I think the latter is something heavily important b/c its only 2 mafia so if we can end up reasoning some partnerships out that probably helps us in the longrun (which i will be actively doing once i no longer have a headache q-q) Ill try to make an effort to be back later with some condensed thoughts / unpartnerships |
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Post by Prodigu on Feb 10, 2024 20:39:02 GMT
Ig ill just say 1 in abcaba/ftf and 1 in clouds/crespo is what my solve is rn Still think its most likely abcaba + crespo vote abcabab4 i go, since im seeing this now, i wanna take a look over ur readlist i read it last night before falling asleep but havent had much chance to comment on it, but question for u rn tho, in your abc/ftf/clouds/crespo solve is there anyone in here that you think very directly would not pair with someone in the other group you have here? or if we took this as "the solve" lets say there is 1 in abc/ftf do u think either of them have a higher likelihood to be paired with someone in the other group or very specifically unpaired in the other group? (and viceversa ig) |
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Post by Clouds on Feb 10, 2024 21:35:05 GMT
Ig ill just say 1 in abcaba/ftf and 1 in clouds/crespo is what my solve is rn Still think its most likely abcaba + crespo vote abcabayou may be right that i shouldn't rule this out, cause abc's reason for not voting crespo basically amounts to "i wanted to see how he'd interact with reads" then day 2 comes along, crespo's doing nothing, and abc just doesn't care. thing is, i still feel like abc might have tried to keep crespo in his votepool he aired, just in case crespo flipped maybe not, but crespo was so close to going over that it's risky to take any sort of public defense if it's your mafia partner. the game's not shaping up too well for crespo and ptsd to be svt wagons i think, but it's not impossible. i'm a little concerned with how prod is saying he was aware that he'd look bad if ptsd flipped town, i feel like thinking about your own image in that situation is more scum indicative cause it shows less focus on what alignment the vote flips and more on how you come away looking from it |
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Post by Clouds on Feb 10, 2024 21:42:23 GMT
what pushed the needle away from a crespo vote and onto a ptsd vote for you then? Originally it wasnt going to be on Crespo [my vote wasnt Crespo into voting PTSD, it was Vote Crespo, Unvote, Vote PTSD], i unvoted before that. I was coming to the idea of ptsd + turt being a possible team as you had suggested earlier, and then Turt at the time made some semi-weird posts in my eyes and i started questioning / pushing him b/c of it [This is probably why STP is saying a potential partnership btwn me + turt is unlikely here] so I voted PTSD thinking: if he flips scum im going to Turt next as i thought a potential partnership was there, and wanted to explore that option first b/c at the minimum a PTSD vote wouldve gotten us more information into other slots than voting Crespo who at the time, and still at the time doesnt have a lot of content to make much out of / wouldnt get us much So at EOD essentially it was 3 PTSD 3 Crespo, with Plur on PTSD so had i done nothing PTSD was still going over at the time I have some reservations about shifting plur that close to EOD as i myself look at it in a not great light, and i also was currently not on a vote at the time, and wanted to at least place an opinion somewhere rather than nowhere (which was obviously wrong atp as PTSD flipped T) I did fully know coming into D2 that i probably wouldnt be looked at well if PTSD flipped town, but i also know well enough that youd (not necessarily you but i think other players in the thread in general) prob be looking at me similarly (somewhat at least) if i had no vote Not just about wanting to not shift plur, Crespo was also actively not at EOD and PTSD had claimed HT another point about not wanting to vote Crespo ended up also boiling down to: I dont want to accidentally D1 the afk FV, lemme context it with: no i dont think Crespo is necessarily the FV or not, but it came out of a: if PTSD was FV i would just unvote him immediately and shift plur to Crespo instead Rn i think its interesting that youre pairing me + Turt as potential so id like to see why you think a partnership is there, additionally i think if you wanted to pair me with someone here Crespo should be the highest likelihood if i flip mafia based off of that EOD, Fwiw i think the other votes on PTSD wagon should be looked at which i feel is somewhat being overlooked to an extent atm, like SC's vote was pmuch just a sheep on you (idr if he had more progression than that or not as i have a headache while writing this and am not looking back rn), i do think your vote was interesting as well when you based it on ptsd having tmi on Crespo but later (before your vote) he himself somewhat backtracked on his TR/TL on Crespo and said something of the effect that it was too strong at the time (idr his exact words but ik he addressed it to some extent again im not reading back atm) i think thats something you would have caught / seen, i currently dont have much comments on Flush's vote moreso b/c i dont super remember the context at the time so looking back and seeing if i have any thoughts about it is a point i should at least take a look at. I do also relatively think that, you and flush parking ur votes there and not being around eod is more nai than anything (iirc ik there was some commenting about it but im ok with overlooking it atm) b/c the DL is at a semi-weird time more weird for me less weird for host mainly weird b/c thats around when im getting home from work / not a time im super around so i am looking at you both not being at eod in a better context Think the best things rn for us is looking into ptsd wagon (which we are to some extent) and try to partner / unpartner ppl I think the latter is something heavily important b/c its only 2 mafia so if we can end up reasoning some partnerships out that probably helps us in the longrun (which i will be actively doing once i no longer have a headache q-q) Ill try to make an effort to be back later with some condensed thoughts / unpartnerships the bolded is the line i'm talking about stp but anyways to respond to you prod, i'm not gonna fault you on your reasons for voting ptsd, it also sorta tracks with what i was thinking in terms of info gained but maybe not to the same degree. for you & turt, there's not really anything that explicitly suggests you're partnered, it's more just shuffling around my poe with pairings that i can't rule out. and yeah, last phase i was gonna have to park my vote regardless, i'm with you there in that weekdays are too busy atm to claw into the game ironically you saying you & crespo should be the most likely pair directly to me makes me lean more towards you not partnering, lol so wdyt about crespo as a slot then? i feel like the game is fairly solveable if his alignment can be worked out, because it'd tell us a ton about day 1 wagons. at the same time, i don't think i want to vote him right now because i'm more in the camp of him being town based on the positioning of the players in my poe. so it's a tough spot to be in, & hopefully he shows up here and cooks |
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Post by Clouds on Feb 10, 2024 21:46:30 GMT
think i'm having trouble with this notion of "we need to look at the other votes on the ptsd wagon" & then you shrugging off me and ftf's votes by saying they're nai
and that you're looking at them in a better context(?) if i'm understanding correctly, so that'd leave just sc, but you don't seem to be laying into sc much for it
just kinda noncommittal surface level comments about the vote being bad, without any semblance of direction or how it'd translate to a read. which maybe will come later, i know you said you had a headache so no worries if you need the time. but hopefully you can see my concern with how it looks like the comments about the ptsd wagon needing to be looked into is then contradicted in a sense by you not thinking anything comes out of me and ftf's votes, then just making observational comments about how sc's vote is sheepy without ending at any conclusion
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Post by Clouds on Feb 10, 2024 21:53:23 GMT
something i need to figure out with abc is -- how genuine was that ptsd townread? did he leverage others thinking ptsd was mafia by echoing that ptsd was town so that he'd look more righteous after ptsd flipped town? i'm not sure i see how abc got to ptsd as his #1 townread, but then again, that same logic got us in trouble with ptsd landing at crespo as his #1 townread
still, you can learn some things about someone's alignment off of how they handle town misreading other town. the scummiest place to fall in this i think is like, airing a strong townread on someone but not intervening when they're about to get voted off. i'd have expected t!abc to fight for ptsd a little harder given his stance on him, instead it was more like he was dodging the ptsd subject and naming his own votepool while watching townies vote off ptsd incorrectly. this is what it feels like reading back, but i haven't thought through this enough to be comfortable with it yet
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Post by Clouds on Feb 10, 2024 21:57:21 GMT
...so what conclusion are you drawing here about stp's alignment? it's like you're prying apart what he's doing in a court of law and presenting all these possibilities, some of which seem to suggest you think he could have mafia equity because he's acting in bad faith, but it winds up being unclear what you actually think about stp's slot what do you think about turt being a new forum player town vs new forum player scum? i want to hear more about your reason for not wanting toni voted too, i get why you didn't vote ptsd based on your prior stance on his slot I was just simply looking at stp’s reads and stating my opinions on them. I’m trying to not tunnel stp and see if his reads have town merit. As for turt, I have turt at basically around null rn, would love if they could state reads. My stance on Toni is that they’re responding to posts by a lot of players have made, which I want to keep around to see how they interact with said reads. alright but if you had to call out stp's alignment one way or the other right now, what would it be? who does he pair with? can he & i be partners, since you scumread us both? and with turt, what happened to the early townread you had on him? why'd that instantly fade out some hours later during day 1 and end with you saying he's said nothing alignment indicative when you'd previously stated that something he said was townie, so saying he was null shortly afterwards seems contradictory to some extent |
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Post by Clouds on Feb 10, 2024 21:58:13 GMT
that and... turt was in your votepool yday, so were you just placing him there despite being null on him?
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Post by Clouds on Feb 10, 2024 22:00:17 GMT
Busy / got stuff going on so can't do much right now Generally speaking, if there's a pool of players that you feel the need to direct cop attention to, it's probably a good idea to just commit to a vote within those players also I'm not mega happy with what the thread looks like / how the game is going, feels a bit weird but hopefully D2 will be better & I think we just need something to start off with Kinda have a similar weird feeling rn, i feel like theres some form of agenda going on with some regard in this eod [with Ptsd / Turt / Crespo / stuff surrounding them (im not saying theyre the ones pushing an agenda necessarily] atm just cant like exactly place it can you try to explain more what you were thinking with the agenda here? and if you still feel this way looking back |
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Post by Clouds on Feb 10, 2024 22:05:49 GMT
could just be abc & turt
just have some reservations with prod here that i need to work through
wonder if i'm ruling out abc & prod prematurely, abc's earlier comment on prod radiating hard town energy all the time is just questionable for partner equity since mafia's usually so much more comfortable saying that about actual town, or a partner once they've been rooted into the towncore. the game had just started, s!abc wouldn't know how others would view s!prod, he would've been one of the first movers if not the first mover to air a strong townread on... his partner of all players. and from chat mafia experience, i don't think that's abc's style
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Post by Turtwigswiththrohs on Feb 10, 2024 22:36:41 GMT
omfg im back now you guys said a lot here are my new reads after d1 and part of d2:
(green is town red is scum if you're color blind sucks for you) also I will explain my reads more if you guys ask
Also ik i haven't contributed that much as well
Stp - most things they said in their reads list has made a lot of sense to me, I have mostly rethunk the things that I was doubting them on earlier, and also they seem to be thinking through most things that they are saying
FTF - their pushes on Clouds/Cactus make sense for me and it seems that they have contributed a lot also thx for the sheets thing
Prod - very neutral for me rn, has contributed quite a bit, but I could see flipping scum, but for now Im leaning more town. Was conf about your ptsd vote a little bit d1 as well
Abcaba - has been more scumlike, I feel like, me especially, has changed their reads a lot within the game (well I guess I have as well), leaning slightly scum, but could be convinced otherwise. Also earlier why were they criticizing someone for tr me when they had just said I had seemed townlike.
Potential Partners - Crespo, Clouds
Cactus - um wtf were you doing with ptsd your reads did not make very much sense to me and I feel like you just put yourself onto ptsd without really thinking about why and just left it there so that they couldn't defend themselves
Potential Partners - Clouds, Prod
Crespo - my thoughts on Crespo remain the same as earlier, has contributed very little and where tf did they go
Potential partners - FTF, Abcaba
Clouds - ok so you are my new scumread, during d1, you said something along the lines of "ok so turt is definetely ptsd's partner if they flip scum" and here I am after ptsd flipped town and you still voted me for also you are tl'ing Cactus with everything they have done with ptsd and not finding it suspicious at all? Also is just kinda sheeping me without any thought about me defending myself or anyone else explaining anything about why i am scum/town.
Potential partners - Abcaba, Cactus
Eh whatever sorry if this list doesnt make sense im adhd ill use that as an excuse
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Post by Turtwigswiththrohs on Feb 10, 2024 22:38:06 GMT
also yes i suck at mafia
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Post by Turtwigswiththrohs on Feb 10, 2024 22:38:35 GMT
also i forgor
vote clouds
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Post by Turtwigswiththrohs on Feb 10, 2024 22:54:21 GMT
also ftf, what are your reads rn (i mightve missed them if youve seen)
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Post by slowthepoke on Feb 10, 2024 23:15:41 GMT
Still think its most likely abcaba + crespo vote abcabab4 i go, since im seeing this now, i wanna take a look over ur readlist i read it last night before falling asleep but havent had much chance to comment on it, but question for u rn tho, in your abc/ftf/clouds/crespo solve is there anyone in here that you think very directly would not pair with someone in the other group you have here? or if we took this as "the solve" lets say there is 1 in abc/ftf do u think either of them have a higher likelihood to be paired with someone in the other group or very specifically unpaired in the other group? (and viceversa ig) I think ftf actually have a high chance of flipping IF clouds is scum. As i stated before i think abcaba and toni are partners. Clouds and abcaba are prob not partners atp and ftf + crespo can be partners but i dont have any evidence on it. |
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Post by slowthepoke on Feb 10, 2024 23:17:40 GMT
Ngl rlly annoyed with both turt and prod since i think they can be partnered with most people here but I also think theyre individually townish(specifically for prod with the townish) so I dont know what to do with them.
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Post by slowthepoke on Feb 10, 2024 23:54:13 GMT
omfg im back now you guys said a lot here are my new reads after d1 and part of d2: (green is town red is scum if you're color blind sucks for you) also I will explain my reads more if you guys ask Also ik i haven't contributed that much as well Stp - most things they said in their reads list has made a lot of sense to me, I have mostly rethunk the things that I was doubting them on earlier, and also they seem to be thinking through most things that they are sayingFTF - their pushes on Clouds/Cactus make sense for me and it seems that they have contributed a lot also thx for the sheets thingProd - very neutral for me rn, has contributed quite a bit, but I could see flipping scum, but for now Im leaning more town. Was conf about your ptsd vote a little bit d1 as wellAbcaba - has been more scumlike, I feel like, me especially, has changed their reads a lot within the game (well I guess I have as well), leaning slightly scum, but could be convinced otherwise. Also earlier why were they criticizing someone for tr me when they had just said I had seemed townlike.
Potential Partners - Crespo, Clouds
Cactus - um wtf were you doing with ptsd your reads did not make very much sense to me and I feel like you just put yourself onto ptsd without really thinking about why and just left it there so that they couldn't defend themselves
Potential Partners - Clouds, Prod
Crespo - my thoughts on Crespo remain the same as earlier, has contributed very little and where tf did they go
Potential partners - FTF, Abcaba Clouds - ok so you are my new scumread, during d1, you said something along the lines of "ok so turt is definetely ptsd's partner if they flip scum" and here I am after ptsd flipped town and you still voted me for also you are tl'ing Cactus with everything they have done with ptsd and not finding it suspicious at all? Also is just kinda sheeping me without any thought about me defending myself or anyone else explaining anything about why i am scum/town.
Potential partners - Abcaba, Cactus Eh whatever sorry if this list doesnt make sense im adhd ill use that as an excuse Bro they are all black use the color wheel |
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Post by ForgotToFlush on Feb 11, 2024 0:05:41 GMT
and we're back
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Post by ForgotToFlush on Feb 11, 2024 0:07:17 GMT
alright gonna go to bed can't wait to wake up to 5 pages tmrw b4 i go i do wanna say that most of the stp/ftf convo was useless, arguing about post times and stuff
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Post by ForgotToFlush on Feb 11, 2024 0:09:39 GMT
ForgotToFlush not sure where you stand with it now, but not feeling the STP wolf equity don't think he'd cough up a post with all the unpartnering dynamics like he did as mafia, if you read in between the lines, you can trace the progression we should reeval abc & prod the most here, crespo is just a pain point for me in that i think he can just as easily be a miss as he can be a hit, but i can see universes existing where he's the resident town mislim and the team is 2 of 3 in abc/prod/turtwigs -- @crespo gonna need you to pull your weight here... point blank i think if you're not mafia, it's just 2 in those 3 turtwig's has several posts where i feel like they're exhibiting too much awareness of their thread perception, i.e. "this'll make me suspicious but..." and including themselves in a cop target pool as well, showing an increased level of attention or concern towards where cop would be checking. that sort of riding on rails tends to be more scum indicative i feel, but i also have some bias towards voting abc here due to how he's treating stp's slot. initially, i was thinking this was more likely tvt, but now i'm more at like, stp is town and abc is ? to explain more what i mean with abc's treatment of stp's slot, an s!abc perspective would mean he's fighting fires with stp's read and trying to not retaliate, while also leveraging stp's misread on me and feathering that along while he can take advantage of it. despite the plausibility of this, there are still existing reasons to believe abc can be town here, so we'll see how today goes
like, town!stp would very much be a walking Dunning Krueger effect here
I don't think this changes how i feel about his posts though
the issue is intent and I don't see much of it behind his processes so far
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Post by ForgotToFlush on Feb 11, 2024 0:12:10 GMT
and i don't think if throhs can even work with crespo here switched it up out of nowhere and voted crespo, prefacing it with "this won't make sense with my reads" if it's not prod, & my townreads on sc/ftf are correct, that would make the pass wagon entirely pure not impossible but eh... prod is the most likely of that wagon to flip mafia for sure
i think any discussion of the wagon being pure/not pure is inherently connected to crespo's alignment
so with that in mind what do you think
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Post by ForgotToFlush on Feb 11, 2024 0:15:50 GMT
omfg im back now you guys said a lot here are my new reads after d1 and part of d2: (green is town red is scum if you're color blind sucks for you) also I will explain my reads more if you guys ask Also ik i haven't contributed that much as well Stp - most things they said in their reads list has made a lot of sense to me, I have mostly rethunk the things that I was doubting them on earlier, and also they seem to be thinking through most things that they are sayingFTF - their pushes on Clouds/Cactus make sense for me and it seems that they have contributed a lot also thx for the sheets thingProd - very neutral for me rn, has contributed quite a bit, but I could see flipping scum, but for now Im leaning more town. Was conf about your ptsd vote a little bit d1 as wellAbcaba - has been more scumlike, I feel like, me especially, has changed their reads a lot within the game (well I guess I have as well), leaning slightly scum, but could be convinced otherwise. Also earlier why were they criticizing someone for tr me when they had just said I had seemed townlike.
Potential Partners - Crespo, Clouds
Cactus - um wtf were you doing with ptsd your reads did not make very much sense to me and I feel like you just put yourself onto ptsd without really thinking about why and just left it there so that they couldn't defend themselves
Potential Partners - Clouds, Prod
Crespo - my thoughts on Crespo remain the same as earlier, has contributed very little and where tf did they go
Potential partners - FTF, Abcaba Clouds - ok so you are my new scumread, during d1, you said something along the lines of "ok so turt is definetely ptsd's partner if they flip scum" and here I am after ptsd flipped town and you still voted me for also you are tl'ing Cactus with everything they have done with ptsd and not finding it suspicious at all? Also is just kinda sheeping me without any thought about me defending myself or anyone else explaining anything about why i am scum/town.
Potential partners - Abcaba, Cactus Eh whatever sorry if this list doesnt make sense im adhd ill use that as an excuse |
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Post by ForgotToFlush on Feb 11, 2024 0:21:18 GMT
anyway thread consensus is kinda squarely on abcaba right now but idt he's at threadspewed level
clouds has voiced the same issues i have with prod's big post but his turtwig push seems contrived to me atm
i have separate issues related to turtwig that might be chalked up to neurodivergence. jury is out
def a game where not many people move the needle for me townwise
maybe by default my biggest tr is cactus bc it feels like he's had the least chances to make me think otherwise this phase
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