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Post by vaderaven on Jun 17, 2024 12:14:28 GMT
what part of NE's push on you is particularly opportunistic / what makes you say that it's an opportune time for NE to push a scumread on you? have some thoughts about what you're saying here but want your own words first can you talk to me about this vaderaven bumping bc it matters to me oh mb didn't see. Sure! This push came after the majority of the pressure on real's slot is, so I feel that in this case its just an opportune time for s!NE to get in either to defend their teamate, or to take advantage of this TvT from their POV. Its just that the timing of this is exactly when me and real are butting heads and if there's any time for scum to intervene it would be them. I guess. Obviously pushing a townslot hard pushing another slot looks chainsaw-y. Also their disapproval of me and that I shouldn't be putting pressure on the real slot is just weird and its trying to stop me from being assertive?? Sorry english isn't my first language and idk how to express my thoughts into words exactly but generally its as I have outlined. I just feel like they're jumping in on the first chance they get. Other than that, they have not really have reads on others except for me so I wonder what changed. |
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Post by vaderaven on Jun 17, 2024 12:17:14 GMT
Fame while you're here, I would like to know your reads, and heres mine TL: Snivy Schia Null: fame STP Myan SL: real SR: NE And the afk slots speak for themselves
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Post by vaderaven on Jun 17, 2024 12:17:31 GMT
snivy is tolietbros kek I
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Post by Fame on Jun 17, 2024 12:22:03 GMT
can you talk to me about this vaderaven bumping bc it matters to me oh mb didn't see. Sure! This push came after the majority of the pressure on real's slot is, so I feel that in this case its just an opportune time for s!NE to get in either to defend their teamate, or to take advantage of this TvT from their POV. Its just that the timing of this is exactly when me and real are butting heads and if there's any time for scum to intervene it would be them. I guess. Obviously pushing a townslot hard pushing another slot looks chainsaw-y. Also their disapproval of me and that I shouldn't be putting pressure on the real slot is just weird and its trying to stop me from being assertive?? Sorry english isn't my first language and idk how to express my thoughts into words exactly but generally its as I have outlined. I just feel like they're jumping in on the first chance they get. Other than that, they have not really have reads on others except for me so I wonder what changed. okay yeah the reason i asked was bc while i don't think NE's push was opportunistic per se (or at least right now i dont before rereading), i think it makes sense from your pov to feel like you were in a rough spot in the thread atp or as if you were having trouble getting your ideas across so i think you reading NE in that way is believable i already knew this was the case but just wanted it in your own words |
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Post by Fame on Jun 17, 2024 12:23:20 GMT
Fame while you're here, I would like to know your reads, and heres mine TL: Snivy Schia Null: fame STP Myan SL: real SR: NE And the afk slots speak for themselves a lot of mine are still works in progress, did you want my read on somebody in specific? i can share what i think of whoever you name |
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Post by Fame on Jun 17, 2024 12:24:44 GMT
Idr see a spot to jump into the thread here so I’m going to sleep- read up and thought the convo were relatively fine like nothing to comment on, if someone has questions @ me vote @sylvieslaysIdr if someone asked but yes there was reason to me specifically asking fame, will talk more tmrw when I’m awake i'm expecting a follow up on this kinda feels like you backtracked with "there was a reason, trust!" when there might not have been one at all |
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Post by vaderaven on Jun 17, 2024 12:27:22 GMT
Fame while you're here, I would like to know your reads, and heres mine TL: Snivy Schia Null: fame STP Myan SL: real SR: NE And the afk slots speak for themselves a lot of mine are still works in progress, did you want my read on somebody in specific? i can share what i think of whoever you name More specifically STP/NE I'd like to know your headspace STP is a slot I really can't read but their pressure was semi sheeping what I was saying so there's that. |
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Post by Fame on Jun 17, 2024 12:44:29 GMT
a lot of mine are still works in progress, did you want my read on somebody in specific? i can share what i think of whoever you name More specifically STP/NE I'd like to know your headspace STP is a slot I really can't read but their pressure was semi sheeping what I was saying so there's that. as for NE when reading a lot of the early pages i thought he had moments where what he was saying was similar to things i would've had in mind/said in the moment too if you read his ISO it's fairly clear he sees minor issues with what you're saying about realiti and sees it repeated as the pages go on / as he keeps reading it starts with a relatively small nitpick: ps-mafia.proboards.com/post/129028/thread and gets progressively more adamant as he reads more of the thread him accusing you of blowing things out of proportion and misinterpreting in bad faith is like, exactly the type of thing i would expect atp after the post i linked |
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Post by Fame on Jun 17, 2024 12:46:49 GMT
i also dont think ne/realiti makes sense as a partnership, it feels a bit telegraphed & if anything i think it's more likely to be whiteknighting from NE's pov
like my take is that if NE ever flipped mafia, realiti would just be town
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Post by Fame on Jun 17, 2024 13:07:14 GMT
On the contrary, weak/shallow TLs based on otherwise non-alignment suggestive content are exactly the sort of reads you see wolves use to overcome TMI Good townplay without agenda Idt this is true for the record, but I believe that you believe it fwiw Making a read without actively influencing the reads presented My bigger nitpick atm is that the reads don't seem like they're made w/ each other in mind. Not much progression, just kind of two level-zero reads--&idk that it's particularly wolfy but it's not like, dazzlingly villagery. also not a fan of the "Gotta run, need to sleep" then like, sticking around & the back&forth on that front. Which can come from town, too, but for the sake of having a legible slot i'd much rather you like, go to bed if you need to & then come back when you're in a right state @raven
More of this observing interactions and play without jumping to agendaed reads. etc. Schia is not non-commital, so this observing play makes me tr them bit of a confusing post the first post you pick out is a general statement that could be made from either alignment imo. what is townie about making that statement there? claiming it has no agenda when it's made in part to poke at STP's reasoning for townleaning realiti is a bit strange to me. why do you think it has no agenda? & i don't really think it's reasonable to say "schia is not non-commital" when you're establishing him as someone making observations over reads, it's much easier to shape simple observations into opinions later than to backtrack on opinions you've formulated and committed to in thread some of this reasoning feels a bit fake or reach-y to me tbh |
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Jun 17, 2024 13:21:24 GMT
Oh cool, Fame's howling
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Post by MyanMario on Jun 17, 2024 13:44:10 GMT
Idr see a spot to jump into the thread here so I’m going to sleep- read up and thought the convo were relatively fine like nothing to comment on, if someone has questions @ me vote @sylvieslaysIdr if someone asked but yes there was reason to me specifically asking fame, will talk more tmrw when I’m awake i'm expecting a follow up on this kinda feels like you backtracked with "there was a reason, trust!" when there might not have been one at all trust! |
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Jun 17, 2024 13:44:19 GMT
i'm asking the question 'if myan is mafia, why are they unpairing stp/vade at that point in the thread?" this is something you absolutely have to think about if you're thinking myan's question came from a scum pov point taken, and the only solution I have in mind (all 3 scum) is so ridiculously improbable that it probably can be discarded.I mean they're just straight up never partnered fwiw
If STP/vade are wolves together, it means they spent pages 4-5 moving in lockstep w/rt their pushback on rea's early TR on Myan (bear in mind vade had just come off of derpclearing rea twice), and to consider them a trio would mean that they're effectively shouting down an otherwise easy townread on their partner. Like, the only way to justify any of that as partnered for the trio is if they're setting up to hellbus, which is contrary to how the slots progress through the remaining pages (we'd be seeing a lot more predation from STP on some of the sketchier stuff from vade, there'd be more focused treatment of Myan from both slots, etc.)
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Jun 17, 2024 13:53:25 GMT
Idr see a spot to jump into the thread here so I’m going to sleep- read up and thought the convo were relatively fine like nothing to comment on, if someone has questions @ me vote @sylvieslaysIdr if someone asked but yes there was reason to me specifically asking fame, will talk more tmrw when I’m awake Actually I lied, winsytinsy I’m going to absolutely pummel you tomorrow please be active it would be helpful. PTSD you’re welcome to join in cuz atm I can’t read u but like, d1 so w/e I’m actually so bored omg can I get everyone’s specific thoughts on NE? On a parallel note I’d like to see who’s engaged- CYOA time! As you’re getting ready to go to sleep, you start to hear this faint ringing in your head. -Take an aspirin and hope it goes away -Ignore it and go to sleep -Hit yourself in the head to try and knock it off This can maybe fall under the same category of some of vade's earlier posting (i.e., if you say you need to sleep, to the end of keeping your slot legible, go do that) but I think that's outweighed by how scattered it is; feels like someone scrambling to produce after their prior reentry to thread was met with pressure & not wanting to come across as bailing. Like I think the combination of focuslessness/evasiveness dovetails w/ some of the weirder specific bits' lack of follow-up to just be Scummy. happy to be dissuaded |
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Post by vaderaven on Jun 17, 2024 13:57:25 GMT
Idr see a spot to jump into the thread here so I’m going to sleep- read up and thought the convo were relatively fine like nothing to comment on, if someone has questions @ me vote @sylvieslaysIdr if someone asked but yes there was reason to me specifically asking fame, will talk more tmrw when I’m awake Actually I lied, winsytinsy I’m going to absolutely pummel you tomorrow please be active it would be helpful. PTSD you’re welcome to join in cuz atm I can’t read u but like, d1 so w/e I’m actually so bored omg can I get everyone’s specific thoughts on NE? On a parallel note I’d like to see who’s engaged- CYOA time! As you’re getting ready to go to sleep, you start to hear this faint ringing in your head. -Take an aspirin and hope it goes away -Ignore it and go to sleep -Hit yourself in the head to try and knock it off This can maybe fall under the same category of some of vade's earlier posting (i.e., if you say you need to sleep, to the end of keeping your slot legible, go do that) but I think that's outweighed by how scattered it is; feels like someone scrambling to produce after their prior reentry to thread was met with pressure & not wanting to come across as bailing. Like I think the combination of focuslessness/evasiveness dovetails w/ some of the weirder specific bits' lack of follow-up to just be Scummy. happy to be dissuaded funnily enough this is exactly real's pmeta read of myan, saying that they are evasive, and quiet when they enter as scum. real might be on to something folks. |
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Post by ddlcfan69 on Jun 17, 2024 13:58:05 GMT
good morning vietnam
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Post by ddlcfan69 on Jun 17, 2024 13:58:30 GMT
reading up
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Post by ddlcfan69 on Jun 17, 2024 14:01:53 GMT
Nvm its vote bot vote schiavetto[/quote]
This is possibly a fake townslip cuz i invented doing this :> |
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Post by ddlcfan69 on Jun 17, 2024 14:02:33 GMT
Hey hey guys, my two cents is that BBcode is hard when you've never used it before  too bad hes not a noob |
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Post by Fame on Jun 17, 2024 14:08:03 GMT
i'm expecting a follow up on this kinda feels like you backtracked with "there was a reason, trust!" when there might not have been one at all trust! vote @myanmario |
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Post by ddlcfan69 on Jun 17, 2024 14:08:24 GMT
I would like to know where these reads came from and why do you think that schia, me and snivy are TL, while NE and STP are Null schia > snivy > Raven strengthwise schia - interacting and giving thoughts instead of sitting in shadows to scheme a master plan snivy - pretty laidback, doesn't seem like he cares how ppl perceive his troll posts Raven - throwing out votes/towncore page 1, doesn't seem to care how their reads can work against them later on slowpoke - his posts always feel random so impossible to read early emerald - nothing stands out this is my first tr :> im on like page 5 but this was the only post needed to read tbh |
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Post by ddlcfan69 on Jun 17, 2024 14:14:37 GMT
I still dont understand how u got to that besides the fact thats myan’s usually timid, like this might be a bit difficult for u to answer but whats the difference between myans entrance this game and myans entrance from advent, since that seems to be where u base ur meta on myan from. he was frozen + heavily scumread whereas here he seemed more comfortable. I will say this again but this is a gut/meta read that is not towncoring Myan but makes me think he is >randtown based on my knowledge i dont like pmeta cuz i dont know this room anymore but this makes sense to me so i agree rn |
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Post by ddlcfan69 on Jun 17, 2024 14:22:13 GMT
It is possible that scum is mainly afk imo, I think that everyone present is fairly townie so far. I like NE's post about his reads and it makes perfect sense, barring the fact that I still have not got a response from real but generally its fair from his POV. Myan's slot is a bit of a null to me because thye have like two lines and they were immediately "townleaned" of the bat by real in their entrance but I'll try not to dwell on that too much it is very probable that at least half the scum have not talked, but voting afk slots is almost seen as negtown in forum sadly. Its just as likely that all scum in the game have already talked at least once tho |
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Post by realiti on Jun 17, 2024 14:22:58 GMT
I liked NE's post, not sure how AI it is but there were some good insights so I would hope he is town Logging off for now so posting my reads ranked for convenience: TL vade schia myan Snivy, NE NAI Lechen Sylvie SL stp My guess would be that wolves are AFK, I don't think stp is a great D1 vote as he posts a lot and thus will be easy to solve based off interactions lategame. Q: do mafia also have the ability to nom? If we vote off a mafia, are they able to make the voting pool next day 3 townies? See y'all tmrw Why does it feel like ur tling people just to tl them, like even without reasonings i dont get how u get a toiletbro one and shit like that. I gave reasoning for every player previously in the thread and the list was ordered, you were in the thread when I was doing that |
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Post by realiti on Jun 17, 2024 14:23:25 GMT
I've caught up with the thread (I think) but I don't really get the terms everyone is using so I can't really reasonably make reads atp yet. What does NAI mean? SR and SL means scumread and scumlean respectively right? Hm well I don't think not knowing the terms means you can't give reads. Any players you got thoughts on? |
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