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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Jun 17, 2024 20:59:52 GMT
I stand by my Stp TR, I don't think we're seeing their wolfgame here--would put Vade above him as a "Hey no what are you doing don't nom that wtf" slot.
Pass/Winsy/NE are slots that I've liked but tbh I wouldn't be surprised if there were one in the mix.
Mostly alright w/ Micro, felt myself nodding a lot with their latest--any nitpicks I'd have probably could just be boiled down to having had less time to sit w/ my opinions on the slot.
Fame/rea go in a little jar where it's probably best they be left alone until there's reason to suggest otherwise, yeah?
Which leaves lechen/Sylv/Dactyl/TB/iavh/ddlc for winnowing
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Post by Snaq ◢ ◤ on Jun 17, 2024 21:02:41 GMT
Votecount 1.4: 1 hour to go until deadline. If deadline was right now, MyanMario would be voted out. Please let me know of any mistakes in the Votecount. (3) MyanMario: Fame, winsytinsy, Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪(2) Lechen: realiti, slowthepoke(2) Fame: SylvieSlays2, ToiletBro2(1) SylvieSlays2: MyanMario(8) Not Voting: passthesaltdude, ddlcfan69, iavh, Dactyl7, Lechen, NightEmerald, micromorphic, vaderavenMake sure to submit your Death Noms in PMs even if you are not being voted right now before the day is over. Remember: they will be randomized if you do not (though I'll try to track you down first).
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Post by MyanMario on Jun 17, 2024 21:03:08 GMT
I stand by my Stp TR, I don't think we're seeing their wolfgame here--would put Vade above him as a "Hey no what are you doing don't nom that wtf" slot. Pass/Winsy/NE are slots that I've liked but tbh I wouldn't be surprised if there were one in the mix. Mostly alright w/ Micro, felt myself nodding a lot with their latest--any nitpicks I'd have probably could just be boiled down to having had less time to sit w/ my opinions on the slot. Fame/rea go in a little jar where it's probably best they be left alone until there's reason to suggest otherwise, yeah? Which leaves lechen/Sylv/Dactyl/TB/iavh/ddlc for winnowing Eye Noticed That My Name Was Not Put In This, Does This Mean You Are Already Assuming I’ve Flipped |
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Post by MyanMario on Jun 17, 2024 21:06:43 GMT
Actually wow idk why it was so influential cuz im assuming i was just right about assumption of death but like, me not being mentioned in that makes me drop schia out of tl
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Post by Fame on Jun 17, 2024 21:08:31 GMT
where i'm at currently is
vade is town just by virtue of how many people are expressing opinions on them, feels like everyone has something to say and it's been invariably mixed
for context my question to them concerning ne's push on them was moreso me trying to gauge if they had a "im town ffs" mindset and felt like NE's push was opportunistic bc they felt attacked in thread, which is very reminiscent of snappy townies getting caught in the moment
ne looks fine to me although i do think their read on me is slightly convenient, would appreciate if they'd give more context for what exactly they're mindmelding with me on bc that was my initial reasoning for towning them and i don't really know what they see from my posting that they're agreeing with or thinking is super similar to their perspective of the game
winsy had a post earlier on that i liked bc he was viewing people's slots through his own town anecdotes but nothing substantial enough from that slot yet
i'm not seeing the issues people have with realiti rn as nothing they've said is all that unbelievable to me. feels finger-on-the-pulse / pretty in the moment. a lot of the negative thread reception is people misunderstanding their ideas and running with it i think. and some of their early game reminds me of myself in other games where i've been questioned about reads/ideas and its been abstracted in attempts to explain it - i.e the myan randtown series of posts. my only point of departure from this slot is during the moments where i feel like lechen acts as a bit of a lightning rod for negative attention for them in opportune moments. not a priority vote for me though nor someone worthy of the scrutiny they're getting rn imo.
worth noting that im fairlyyy certain lechen might actually be new to maf in general because they're not super active on smogon mafia forums either which i'm assuming is where they're originally from. i'm fine giving some benefit of the doubt there despite me agreeing you don't need terminology to play the game. this is fairly common for new players & i've seen similar sentiments expressed by people like camryn who were genuinely new to the game and struggled grasping the lexicon at first. it seems like a silly barrier to most but it's actually a big roadblock when you're new and trying to play with an established community.
don't feel particularly strongly about ptsd/micro and that comes down to the majority of their play being blocky, with a gun to my head i would place them both as town but feels a bit cold reading these catch up paragraphs. micro > ptsd on this since his questioning after entering today has been decent
i still stand by my thoughts on toiletbro slot, can't shake the feeling that the reasoning for townreading schia was less than satisfactory tbh.
feels like a lot of myan's posts today are bs / band-aid posts to cover up a poor entrance to the phase. the "im townlocking vade bc of page [x] in hydra" thing feels like a bad excuse for a reaction test or gotcha moment & their noms aren't very legible either.
if i didn't mention a player, i'm still working it out or they haven't posted enough to justify writing anything
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Post by iavh on Jun 17, 2024 21:10:50 GMT
Vote @slowthepoke
based enough to do this
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Post by ToiletBro2 on Jun 17, 2024 21:11:55 GMT
Oh I see Gonna take a short break and come back before DL. Aside from being incorrectly scumread by some players I feel pretty good about the gamestate and my read of the game so far. Would def encourage ppl to vote Lechen or stp as 2nd option here I don't like 'You're reading me wrong, wah wah'. I don't know how new realiti is. If they're new, I don't care about this. Otherwise it's salty. STP holding off on reading fame is really closing down my line of sight as I desire intensely to see those two be scum together so my initial SLs were right. I don't trust my analysis of that, but the analysis is that its a scum not knowing how to treat their scumpartner STP also agreeing with people a lot, which is probably NAI when not being pressured tbh NE remains a tl for me, they've been pushing town agenda all game with stimulating discussion and applying pressure I don't get the myan wagon - that slot has done nothing that has made me think scum all game. Myan remains null for me, but I do not want to vote them today. The notion that they reentered stiltedly is not something I can robustly agree with. STP unvoting putting plur on myan directly after myan says they'll deathnom them is interesting and never scum agenda. That doesnt mean not scum, but it does mean the play looks towny. My sl on stp is rescinding Mind you, I have now later seen that stp is now cwing off myan. Still, I also don't want myan, so I can't very well SR that. i wld really prefer not to be voted so ive been avoiding it but will give them atp probably nomming fame, stp, X, im still trying to think although im tempted to either throw in an afk slot or a tr is there a reason you're not nominating literally any of the other people you had listed as scumreads like winsy & ne were both listed as scumreads for you as of an hour ago A lot of fame's posts are like this; argumentative or argumentative questioning. Everything they say seems to me to be putting down other people's reads. Always destructive, not constructive. just wanted them to admit that their read of you being "opportunistic" came from a place of them feeling wrongfully accused themselves in thread/struggling to discuss their ideas bc they felt like ppl were dogpiling on them or something more townie than a feigned read from scum See here also - Fame wants vade to say their read came from OMGUS? It's not likely or constructive. This explanation feels disingenuous. Micro is fine - their posts seem genuine and constructive. I'm not interested in reading this slot deeply atm because there are better slots to spend my time on, I'll go back as and when they're nommed. |
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Post by ToiletBro2 on Jun 17, 2024 21:14:22 GMT
I also don't like how quickly the myan wagon built off of what amounts to myan seems forced
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Post by ToiletBro2 on Jun 17, 2024 21:15:48 GMT
I can stick around for dl/thoughts on flip but I do have an early morning tmrw researching lab protocols and I will not be going in depth
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Post by slowthepoke on Jun 17, 2024 21:16:39 GMT
Vote @slowthepoke based enough to do this bro is that mad i called them it once |
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Post by NightEmerald on Jun 17, 2024 21:16:49 GMT
beyond the time you said you were mindmelding with me In the sense of stp/case I’m going off of stp mainly- I really don’t think they interact that heavily with a partner, especially one who is seemingly towny here seen games where stp interacts w/ partners heavily & seen games where the opposite is true tbh so i'm marie kondo'ing this, saying the read isn't sparking any joy or passion, and discarding it for now I liked this because I'm pretty sure at that point I'd said stp is within how he plays as town or scum More specifically STP/NE I'd like to know your headspace STP is a slot I really can't read but their pressure was semi sheeping what I was saying so there's that. as for NE when reading a lot of the early pages i thought he had moments where what he was saying was similar to things i would've had in mind/said in the moment too if you read his ISO it's fairly clear he sees minor issues with what you're saying about realiti and sees it repeated as the pages go on / as he keeps reading it starts with a relatively small nitpick: ps-mafia.proboards.com/post/129028/thread and gets progressively more adamant as he reads more of the thread him accusing you of blowing things out of proportion and misinterpreting in bad faith is like, exactly the type of thing i would expect atp after the post i linked and this is proof that you were mindmelding with me on the first stuff because that was really similar to my thought process (i dont want to add the post about realiti and vade having different ways of solving but that too) |
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Post by ToiletBro2 on Jun 17, 2024 21:17:12 GMT
Vote @slowthepoke based enough to do this Voting a slot with 0 votes on it is not helpful |
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Post by realiti on Jun 17, 2024 21:17:13 GMT
Oh I see Gonna take a short break and come back before DL. Aside from being incorrectly scumread by some players I feel pretty good about the gamestate and my read of the game so far. Would def encourage ppl to vote Lechen or stp as 2nd option here I don't like 'You're reading me wrong, wah wah'. I don't know how new realiti is. If they're new, I don't care about this. Otherwise it's salty. Poor wording as I didn't mean to shade anyone & I've played on Smogon for a couple of years |
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Post by slowthepoke on Jun 17, 2024 21:18:26 GMT
welp
vote @fame
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Post by NightEmerald on Jun 17, 2024 21:18:45 GMT
vote @winsytinsy
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Post by ToiletBro2 on Jun 17, 2024 21:19:32 GMT
I don't like 'You're reading me wrong, wah wah'. I don't know how new realiti is. If they're new, I don't care about this. Otherwise it's salty. Poor wording as I didn't mean to shade anyone & I've played on Smogon for a couple of years Grumble grumble NAI reaction |
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Post by micromorphic on Jun 17, 2024 21:19:33 GMT
micromorphic I just almost reread the entire thread and I’m gonna be honest there was not a single post that I could specifically point out that didn’t have me doubt myself Will note that after going through, some of their lines seemed to be as if it was enforcing a narrative, ex preflipping although I get that isn’t something really AI If anything I’m a bit less sus of fame atm, still want to keep pressure tho What about STP, why did you want pressure there? |
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Post by ToiletBro2 on Jun 17, 2024 21:20:29 GMT
Why do people vote players that are never going to get plur? You are giving up your voting power, which increases mafia's relative power |
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Jun 17, 2024 21:20:44 GMT
The conflict I'm having comes down to this I think--I like a lot of rea's early presence (felt myself nodding with some of his initial TRs, has an openbook sort of attitude that I associate with village, the usual candor-is-towny stuff). I think we also had a p similar sense of the threadstate in the first slew of phases, like that take early on abt the likelihood of wolves having posted felt like another show of decent townheadspace. Where he starts to lose me is some of the doubling down on the Myan TR (the initial meta pull is fine, some of the subsequent returns to it feel like a forgone conclusion which rubs me the wrong way). I like early Slowthe too, and would like to think their interactions are V/V--STP's pushing and prodding around the initial read feel less like gotcha-attempts and more like a villager genuinely taken aback by what they perceive as a weak progression, I think someone earlier brought up this idea of him feeling less like a wolf trying to keep someone eligible for mislunch and more like a player just kind of seeing their thoughts through and I kind of get that (pg6 showcases this vibe pretty well I think, like the attitude is very much "Make this make sense" as opposed to any sort of bad faith handling). Can also fully see both slots getting fatigued with terrain in a 24hr format where it's occupied most of their threadtime, so it's like. I would *like* it to be a V/V situation. Where that gets sticky for me is some of the aforementioned stuff where Myan reenters (which is for me where they start actually being *wolfy* as opposed to just slanking), like it's stilted and awkward in a way that I think skews more toward wolf than villager, and the places where they bail on the thread or just straight up don't address certain questions (while also being visibly conscious of their posts) don't strike me as someone liveposting w/o hesitation/wavering--and I think that applies to their return to the thread today in the backhalf of the phase, too. Last night they had the strange pop-in to Fame, with the mixing up btwn me/rea and a comment abt unpairing that felt kind of out of nowhere [x]--like, I brought up some of my discomfort with Fame's handling of the slot there, but to stress the room for error there, I do think the points being made by Fame on pg11 are like, solid points--it's just that the delivery (both in manner and in moment) comes across as someone with a foot in the door on the slot, like they wanted both to address the scumminess of the pop-in while also defending the slot to NE. Myan's scattered exit & Fame's "hey I'm expecting follow-up here" felt p classically W/W, too, like partner A flails, partner B responds in a way that gives partner A an opportunity to recover but also positions partner B to bus if needed. Like, assuming good faith, I think there's definitely a world where this can just be Fame exercising a good deal of caution w/ the above slots--but I have a harder time extending that same grace to Myan, esp. coming off pg16 where they seem to just sort of pull conclusions out of nowhere in one breath (the readlist, the TR on micro, the fixation on Sylv and the scarce progression around all of these), and defer elaboration in the other (with Sylvie again but also later in the page, with Winsy). Like, most generous read is that it's a villager just playing coy for no reason--which feels like a huge stretch. Like I think there's decent cases to be made for v!Fame (most village equity here imo) and v!rea (less equity but still decently defensible, esp. with the amount of slanking we have here), but v!Myan is a harder sell. vote @myanmarioif I'm doing my due diligence, then I'll throw in too for good measure- I don't think any of this is disqualifying for Sylv, who's been nonexistent, and along w/ Lechen I think there's something to be said for them having threadflaked without *also* just straight up not posting (see: Dactyl). If Myan does flip green, I think it leaves us in a position to go winnowing (and fwiw I have a much harder time seeing the stuff above as being W/V from either Fame or rea toward Myan)--as it stands though I think I still land here. In regards to this last part, what do you think of fame and realti if I flip green? on a greenflip I think there's room for maybe one of them to be wolf TMIing you--certainly not both, I think it makes the joint handling of you in the mid-teens a really strange approach for two partnered wolves to make, but like I mentioned, the things that I'm most circumspect toward from them are to do with behavior around your slot. The likelihood would go something like V/V | V/W ||| W/V |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| W/W |
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Post by ToiletBro2 on Jun 17, 2024 21:21:36 GMT
schia what is TMI
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Post by NightEmerald on Jun 17, 2024 21:22:13 GMT
Why do people vote players that are never going to get plur? You are giving up your voting power, which increases mafia's relative power never is quite the overstatement when top wagon is at 3 votes |
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Jun 17, 2024 21:22:42 GMT
I stand by my Stp TR, I don't think we're seeing their wolfgame here--would put Vade above him as a "Hey no what are you doing don't nom that wtf" slot. Pass/Winsy/NE are slots that I've liked but tbh I wouldn't be surprised if there were one in the mix. Mostly alright w/ Micro, felt myself nodding a lot with their latest--any nitpicks I'd have probably could just be boiled down to having had less time to sit w/ my opinions on the slot. Fame/rea go in a little jar where it's probably best they be left alone until there's reason to suggest otherwise, yeah? Which leaves lechen/Sylv/Dactyl/TB/iavh/ddlc for winnowing Eye Noticed That My Name Was Not Put In This, Does This Mean You Are Already Assuming I’ve Flipped ? I spent the entire previous post talking about you, why would I bring it up again in the post immediately following it |
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Post by ToiletBro2 on Jun 17, 2024 21:22:43 GMT
winsy is not in anyone's firing line but yours NE
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Post by Fame on Jun 17, 2024 21:22:46 GMT
Oh I see Gonna take a short break and come back before DL. Aside from being incorrectly scumread by some players I feel pretty good about the gamestate and my read of the game so far. Would def encourage ppl to vote Lechen or stp as 2nd option here I don't like 'You're reading me wrong, wah wah'. I don't know how new realiti is. If they're new, I don't care about this. Otherwise it's salty. STP holding off on reading fame is really closing down my line of sight as I desire intensely to see those two be scum together so my initial SLs were right. I don't trust my analysis of that, but the analysis is that its a scum not knowing how to treat their scumpartner STP also agreeing with people a lot, which is probably NAI when not being pressured tbh NE remains a tl for me, they've been pushing town agenda all game with stimulating discussion and applying pressure I don't get the myan wagon - that slot has done nothing that has made me think scum all game. Myan remains null for me, but I do not want to vote them today. The notion that they reentered stiltedly is not something I can robustly agree with. STP unvoting putting plur on myan directly after myan says they'll deathnom them is interesting and never scum agenda. That doesnt mean not scum, but it does mean the play looks towny. My sl on stp is rescinding Mind you, I have now later seen that stp is now cwing off myan. Still, I also don't want myan, so I can't very well SR that. is there a reason you're not nominating literally any of the other people you had listed as scumreads like winsy & ne were both listed as scumreads for you as of an hour ago A lot of fame's posts are like this; argumentative or argumentative questioning. Everything they say seems to me to be putting down other people's reads. Always destructive, not constructive. just wanted them to admit that their read of you being "opportunistic" came from a place of them feeling wrongfully accused themselves in thread/struggling to discuss their ideas bc they felt like ppl were dogpiling on them or something more townie than a feigned read from scum
Micro is fine - their posts seem genuine and constructive. I'm not interested in reading this slot deeply atm because there are better slots to spend my time on, I'll go back as and when they're nommed. townies omgus all the time & the onus isn't on me to make up constructive or palatable reasons for people's votes if they haven't been honest about it themselves. also, it's constructive because it leads me to townreading them anyway. it's not a read made to discredit their slot so /shrug |
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Post by ToiletBro2 on Jun 17, 2024 21:24:42 GMT
townies omgus all the time & the onus isn't on me to make up constructive or palatable reasons for people's votes if they haven't been honest about it themselves. also, it's constructive because it leads me to townreading them anyway. it's not a read made to discredit their slot so /shrug This is exactly what I'm tlaking about - every post you make is argumentative |
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