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Post by micromorphic on Jun 25, 2024 22:31:43 GMT
sorry vade i apologize my intrusive thoughts won for a second
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Jun 25, 2024 22:33:19 GMT
Have a thing tn then I'm out for drinks later. Before I go, three questions for folks, would love it if everyone could respond
Question 1
At this point in the game, multiple people have spoken about the exchanges early on between vade, STP, and rea/commie up through page 8. We've already established that NightEmerald was a villager in those interactions. My question to the rest of you is, out of the three names bolded above, who do you think is most likely to be a villager? Explain your thinking--don't need full links or quotewalls, but I do want some level of specificity just so folks can follow each other's thinking. Question 2 As stated in that last post, we've got room for 3-4 mislunches before the game hits a lylo situation. That gives us time to reevaluate and sharpen our POE a bit---IF, however, we focus on the remaining to slots in the previous POE, which slot do you guys think is most likely to flip town between TB2 or ddlc? I have my own opinions here, and I expect that a handful of you might want to say "both" or "neither", but I'm less interested in that & more interested in what I asked: which do you think is more likely to be town, and why. Question 3 I want to really, really emphasize how grateful I am for those of you who, however you felt in the moment, made noms to help make this game inhabitable for UTR wolves--because like I said, I know it can be kind of frustrating to see those stretches of green pile on, and it takes a lot of patience, which is difficult, but again: this is a marathon, not a spring, and I'm less interested in playing a perfect game (which is pretty much impossible in deathnommy) and way more interested in winning this game. I'm town (anyone saying otherwise should be put out to pasture--and you shouldn't *need* the case at this point but if y'all want to be really annoying, we can go there), and Lechen is town (I've invited second opinions on pretty much all other reads this game, but I'm hardshielding this slot and I will make this game extremely unpleasant for anyone trying to argue for Lechen being scum here). What I'm asking here is that, aside from the two players you named in questions 1 & 2, and excluding yourself, who of the remaining players would you say is most villagery? I cannot stress enough how much this game just breaks if villagers towntell & we keep a strict POE here. |
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Jun 25, 2024 22:34:53 GMT
Post drafted before I saw noms, but I'll throw in for good fun before I head out:
@everyone Do you think this is three villagers, and between micro/Fame, who do you think should get the chop?
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Post by vaderaven on Jun 25, 2024 22:36:08 GMT
Have a thing tn then I'm out for drinks later. Before I go, three questions for folks, would love it if everyone could respond
Question 1
At this point in the game, multiple people have spoken about the exchanges early on between vade, STP, and rea/commie up through page 8. We've already established that NightEmerald was a villager in those interactions. My question to the rest of you is, out of the three names bolded above, who do you think is most likely to be a villager? Explain your thinking--don't need full links or quotewalls, but I do want some level of specificity just so folks can follow each other's thinking. Question 2 As stated in that last post, we've got room for 3-4 mislunches before the game hits a lylo situation. That gives us time to reevaluate and sharpen our POE a bit---IF, however, we focus on the remaining to slots in the previous POE, which slot do you guys think is most likely to flip town between TB2 or ddlc? I have my own opinions here, and I expect that a handful of you might want to say "both" or "neither", but I'm less interested in that & more interested in what I asked: which do you think is more likely to be town, and why. Question 3 I want to really, really emphasize how grateful I am for those of you who, however you felt in the moment, made noms to help make this game inhabitable for UTR wolves--because like I said, I know it can be kind of frustrating to see those stretches of green pile on, and it takes a lot of patience, which is difficult, but again: this is a marathon, not a spring, and I'm less interested in playing a perfect game (which is pretty much impossible in deathnommy) and way more interested in winning this game. I'm town (anyone saying otherwise should be put out to pasture--and you shouldn't *need* the case at this point but if y'all want to be really annoying, we can go there), and Lechen is town (I've invited second opinions on pretty much all other reads this game, but I'm hardshielding this slot and I will make this game extremely unpleasant for anyone trying to argue for Lechen being scum here). What I'm asking here is that, aside from the two players you named in questions 1 & 2, and excluding yourself, who of the remaining players would you say is most villagery? I cannot stress enough how much this game just breaks if villagers towntell & we keep a strict POE here. q1 im townie gg |
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Jun 25, 2024 22:37:00 GMT
Will also just say I'd prefer we held off on voting for the first half of this twenty-four hour phase, and also that like...
it goes w/o saying, no hammers.
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Jun 25, 2024 22:37:30 GMT
Have a thing tn then I'm out for drinks later. Before I go, three questions for folks, would love it if everyone could respond
Question 1
At this point in the game, multiple people have spoken about the exchanges early on between vade, STP, and rea/commie up through page 8. We've already established that NightEmerald was a villager in those interactions. My question to the rest of you is, out of the three names bolded above, who do you think is most likely to be a villager? Explain your thinking--don't need full links or quotewalls, but I do want some level of specificity just so folks can follow each other's thinking. Question 2 As stated in that last post, we've got room for 3-4 mislunches before the game hits a lylo situation. That gives us time to reevaluate and sharpen our POE a bit---IF, however, we focus on the remaining to slots in the previous POE, which slot do you guys think is most likely to flip town between TB2 or ddlc? I have my own opinions here, and I expect that a handful of you might want to say "both" or "neither", but I'm less interested in that & more interested in what I asked: which do you think is more likely to be town, and why. Question 3 I want to really, really emphasize how grateful I am for those of you who, however you felt in the moment, made noms to help make this game inhabitable for UTR wolves--because like I said, I know it can be kind of frustrating to see those stretches of green pile on, and it takes a lot of patience, which is difficult, but again: this is a marathon, not a spring, and I'm less interested in playing a perfect game (which is pretty much impossible in deathnommy) and way more interested in winning this game. I'm town (anyone saying otherwise should be put out to pasture--and you shouldn't *need* the case at this point but if y'all want to be really annoying, we can go there), and Lechen is town (I've invited second opinions on pretty much all other reads this game, but I'm hardshielding this slot and I will make this game extremely unpleasant for anyone trying to argue for Lechen being scum here). What I'm asking here is that, aside from the two players you named in questions 1 & 2, and excluding yourself, who of the remaining players would you say is most villagery? I cannot stress enough how much this game just breaks if villagers towntell & we keep a strict POE here. q1 im townie gg Bite me, answer the questions |
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Jun 25, 2024 22:38:39 GMT
I have things I want to say abt Micro & Fame both however due to Circumstances (that I'm 100% sure micro is aware of) I'm withholding my full thoughts until all three of us can be present
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Jun 25, 2024 22:40:04 GMT
that quote should also say *uninhabitable for UTR wolves, but context should've made that apparent tbh
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Jun 25, 2024 22:40:47 GMT
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Post by slowthepoke on Jun 25, 2024 22:50:53 GMT
I assume that first question is excludijy me right?
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Post by Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ on Jun 25, 2024 22:58:31 GMT
I assume that first question is excludijy me right? excluding yourself, yeah. |
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Lechen
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boar king
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Post by Lechen on Jun 25, 2024 23:05:24 GMT
Have a thing tn then I'm out for drinks later. Before I go, three questions for folks, would love it if everyone could respond
Question 1
At this point in the game, multiple people have spoken about the exchanges early on between vade, STP, and rea/commie up through page 8. We've already established that NightEmerald was a villager in those interactions. My question to the rest of you is, out of the three names bolded above, who do you think is most likely to be a villager? Explain your thinking--don't need full links or quotewalls, but I do want some level of specificity just so folks can follow each other's thinking. Question 2 As stated in that last post, we've got room for 3-4 mislunches before the game hits a lylo situation. That gives us time to reevaluate and sharpen our POE a bit---IF, however, we focus on the remaining to slots in the previous POE, which slot do you guys think is most likely to flip town between TB2 or ddlc? I have my own opinions here, and I expect that a handful of you might want to say "both" or "neither", but I'm less interested in that & more interested in what I asked: which do you think is more likely to be town, and why. Question 3 I want to really, really emphasize how grateful I am for those of you who, however you felt in the moment, made noms to help make this game inhabitable for UTR wolves--because like I said, I know it can be kind of frustrating to see those stretches of green pile on, and it takes a lot of patience, which is difficult, but again: this is a marathon, not a spring, and I'm less interested in playing a perfect game (which is pretty much impossible in deathnommy) and way more interested in winning this game. I'm town (anyone saying otherwise should be put out to pasture--and you shouldn't *need* the case at this point but if y'all want to be really annoying, we can go there), and Lechen is town (I've invited second opinions on pretty much all other reads this game, but I'm hardshielding this slot and I will make this game extremely unpleasant for anyone trying to argue for Lechen being scum here). What I'm asking here is that, aside from the two players you named in questions 1 & 2, and excluding yourself, who of the remaining players would you say is most villagery? I cannot stress enough how much this game just breaks if villagers towntell & we keep a strict POE here. 1. Realiti/commie. I'm tling then bcz from what I've seen, mafia is usually considered to be rly fun to play and I've seen very little active mafia spots sub in. (ik dactyl did but he was inactive since the very start) There is a chance it's ddlc/realiti scumteam but I don't really see that happening and realiti's push seems on me seems less opportunistic than what you would expect as scum. 2. tb2, idk ddlc's posting feels pretty scummy to me and his push on me felt much more opportunistic than realiti's. 3. micro i think, i rly vibe with his posting and I don't feel like he would be bussed if he was scum as this vote seems pretty hopeless for him. |
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Lechen
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boar king
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Post by Lechen on Jun 25, 2024 23:11:58 GMT
Have a thing tn then I'm out for drinks later. Before I go, three questions for folks, would love it if everyone could respond
Question 1
At this point in the game, multiple people have spoken about the exchanges early on between vade, STP, and rea/commie up through page 8. We've already established that NightEmerald was a villager in those interactions. My question to the rest of you is, out of the three names bolded above, who do you think is most likely to be a villager? Explain your thinking--don't need full links or quotewalls, but I do want some level of specificity just so folks can follow each other's thinking. Question 2 As stated in that last post, we've got room for 3-4 mislunches before the game hits a lylo situation. That gives us time to reevaluate and sharpen our POE a bit---IF, however, we focus on the remaining to slots in the previous POE, which slot do you guys think is most likely to flip town between TB2 or ddlc? I have my own opinions here, and I expect that a handful of you might want to say "both" or "neither", but I'm less interested in that & more interested in what I asked: which do you think is more likely to be town, and why. Question 3 I want to really, really emphasize how grateful I am for those of you who, however you felt in the moment, made noms to help make this game inhabitable for UTR wolves--because like I said, I know it can be kind of frustrating to see those stretches of green pile on, and it takes a lot of patience, which is difficult, but again: this is a marathon, not a spring, and I'm less interested in playing a perfect game (which is pretty much impossible in deathnommy) and way more interested in winning this game. I'm town (anyone saying otherwise should be put out to pasture--and you shouldn't *need* the case at this point but if y'all want to be really annoying, we can go there), and Lechen is town (I've invited second opinions on pretty much all other reads this game, but I'm hardshielding this slot and I will make this game extremely unpleasant for anyone trying to argue for Lechen being scum here). What I'm asking here is that, aside from the two players you named in questions 1 & 2, and excluding yourself, who of the remaining players would you say is most villagery? I cannot stress enough how much this game just breaks if villagers towntell & we keep a strict POE here. btw there is a small possibility that schia is townreading me to pocket me and scummed bussed them to make her gain even mote towncred. thought this was worth mentioning potentially |
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Post by micromorphic on Jun 25, 2024 23:15:05 GMT
Letting y'all know in advance, I will be available to talk to for most of the time I'm awake till next DL. Gonna cool down for a sec (these noms made me livid/sad which led me to lashing at vade), and then come back to Schia's questions
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Post by Fame on Jun 25, 2024 23:46:27 GMT
hiya - nice to see we got another one, i would've ended up on the ptsd vote yesterday so it's nice to see my suspicions were right
in my head i weirdly had ptsd/micro in the same grouping and 1 of them flipping makes me feel a lot better about the other regardless
and i think that, in part, comes from the fact they had a similar playstyle in the early days and i would find it hard to believe both were occupying the same dynamic in thread as one another whilst still being scum
yeah unfortunately i cant commit a lot of time to the game atm so i am not incredibly mad at the prospects of going over although i would feel bad about doing nothing when i know my slot is town
i'm semi caught up to the point where i skimmed the thread etc etc but i have nothing substantial atm to provide to thread
are there any key things anyone would like my input on here?
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Post by Fame on Jun 25, 2024 23:47:13 GMT
i am fairly certain the realiti slot was just town fwiw which i now see is the ca slot
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Post by Fame on Jun 25, 2024 23:56:24 GMT
this is not a point on lechen's alignment but for as silly as it sounds i do think "mafia is considered fun to play" vaguely hits on something that is true for realiti's slot lol
which is less that mafia is considered more fun than town or vice versa, but rather that realiti's posting seemed frustrated in a way that isn't characteristic to mafia slots
when you roll mafia you already expect that part of your gameplay will entail, at least to some degree, preserving yourself for as long as possible because your numbers game is more crucial to protect than town by virtue of there being less of you
unless realiti was like surefire going over, i don't think he reacts that badly to being challenged in thread, he's experienced enough to know that in most cases you can talk yourself out of bad thread positions if you try hard enough unless you're literally mechanically screwed or stubbornly scumread (which wasn't the case whatsoever)
when realiti was showing that behaviour in thread idt he would've necessarily been screwed / was in a position where he couldn't set himself up for the long game if he tried hard enough lol
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Post by Fame on Jun 25, 2024 23:59:47 GMT
i will be voting for someone today as it seems silly not to when i know im 100% town and the other 2 slots next to me have a non zero chance of flipping scum but im not feeling like casing anyone in particular tbh, so will quickly review the thread tomorrow and see which of the 2 look slightly worse from recent posting and throw my vote there
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Post by slowthepoke on Jun 26, 2024 0:08:20 GMT
Have a thing tn then I'm out for drinks later. Before I go, three questions for folks, would love it if everyone could respond
Question 1
At this point in the game, multiple people have spoken about the exchanges early on between vade, STP, and rea/commie up through page 8. We've already established that NightEmerald was a villager in those interactions. My question to the rest of you is, out of the three names bolded above, who do you think is most likely to be a villager? Explain your thinking--don't need full links or quotewalls, but I do want some level of specificity just so folks can follow each other's thinking. Question 2 As stated in that last post, we've got room for 3-4 mislunches before the game hits a lylo situation. That gives us time to reevaluate and sharpen our POE a bit---IF, however, we focus on the remaining to slots in the previous POE, which slot do you guys think is most likely to flip town between TB2 or ddlc? I have my own opinions here, and I expect that a handful of you might want to say "both" or "neither", but I'm less interested in that & more interested in what I asked: which do you think is more likely to be town, and why. Question 3 I want to really, really emphasize how grateful I am for those of you who, however you felt in the moment, made noms to help make this game inhabitable for UTR wolves--because like I said, I know it can be kind of frustrating to see those stretches of green pile on, and it takes a lot of patience, which is difficult, but again: this is a marathon, not a spring, and I'm less interested in playing a perfect game (which is pretty much impossible in deathnommy) and way more interested in winning this game. I'm town (anyone saying otherwise should be put out to pasture--and you shouldn't *need* the case at this point but if y'all want to be really annoying, we can go there), and Lechen is town (I've invited second opinions on pretty much all other reads this game, but I'm hardshielding this slot and I will make this game extremely unpleasant for anyone trying to argue for Lechen being scum here). What I'm asking here is that, aside from the two players you named in questions 1 & 2, and excluding yourself, who of the remaining players would you say is most villagery? I cannot stress enough how much this game just breaks if villagers towntell & we keep a strict POE here. 1. Realiti/Commie, I have a worse opinion of vade seeing how they came into today, and their eod d6 was bad as well(the whole I wanna vote stp they're scummy is weird) , they've also kinda been doing nothing too. While realiti I've mainly had as a tl. (From d2 onwards) and while I do think rea is less townie then before, theyre still townier than vade here. 2. Tb2, u already know that I think ddlc is scum ill make the case soon(theyres even more to work with then before!) But I do genuinely see a way that tb2 can be town here. Like I still think the entire thing with the fame post wouldn't be natural to do as scum, and it wouldn't even be good for the team given their position. (Assuming it's ddlc, ptsd, dact/litt, tb2) Their is definitely a world where tb2 flips town, and if their town I believe vade would be scum, which is exactly what I think rn. 3. Prob you? Like i'm not good at reading either u or ur posts. But you've been leading town and have been leading us to a good situation. I also have u unpartnered with my main srs so that helps. Even though I'm not completly confident on u and ddlc. 4. Fame's here and depending on what they do and how much I like their posts, I might shift to micro, but for now, I think fames a better vote. |
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Post by micromorphic on Jun 26, 2024 4:03:11 GMT
Have a thing tn then I'm out for drinks later. Before I go, three questions for folks, would love it if everyone could respond
Question 1
At this point in the game, multiple people have spoken about the exchanges early on between vade, STP, and rea/commie up through page 8. We've already established that NightEmerald was a villager in those interactions. My question to the rest of you is, out of the three names bolded above, who do you think is most likely to be a villager? Explain your thinking--don't need full links or quotewalls, but I do want some level of specificity just so folks can follow each other's thinking. Question 2 As stated in that last post, we've got room for 3-4 mislunches before the game hits a lylo situation. That gives us time to reevaluate and sharpen our POE a bit---IF, however, we focus on the remaining to slots in the previous POE, which slot do you guys think is most likely to flip town between TB2 or ddlc? I have my own opinions here, and I expect that a handful of you might want to say "both" or "neither", but I'm less interested in that & more interested in what I asked: which do you think is more likely to be town, and why. Question 3 I want to really, really emphasize how grateful I am for those of you who, however you felt in the moment, made noms to help make this game inhabitable for UTR wolves--because like I said, I know it can be kind of frustrating to see those stretches of green pile on, and it takes a lot of patience, which is difficult, but again: this is a marathon, not a spring, and I'm less interested in playing a perfect game (which is pretty much impossible in deathnommy) and way more interested in winning this game. I'm town (anyone saying otherwise should be put out to pasture--and you shouldn't *need* the case at this point but if y'all want to be really annoying, we can go there), and Lechen is town (I've invited second opinions on pretty much all other reads this game, but I'm hardshielding this slot and I will make this game extremely unpleasant for anyone trying to argue for Lechen being scum here). What I'm asking here is that, aside from the two players you named in questions 1 & 2, and excluding yourself, who of the remaining players would you say is most villagery? I cannot stress enough how much this game just breaks if villagers towntell & we keep a strict POE here. Question 1: Settled on this after some thought & reflection of my unpairs. I think of those three, vade's the towniest from PTSD interactions (I have them unpaired, also the only person I have unpaired w/ PTSD). This stems from PTSD's early game posts of creating a major interaction with vade day 1 into ptsd seemingly attempting to discredit Fame's post on vade being threadspewed, as well as PTSD calling vade into action multiple times towards EOD6, though, this final one should be held in less regard because PTSD could've seen their slot as unsalvageable at this state. I would say the only thing against this unpairing would be vade pmuch ignoring this slot all game, though I don't think it outweighs PTSD's early actions. This probably isn't the discussion necessary here, but I think something that should be noted is PTSD's backpedal on hostility towards Schia's slot after receiving backlash into Schia not buying the backpedal. I think PTSD's slot ultimately became unsalvageable when Schia dropped the progression posts, and they just opted to not post in the game anymore (which provides the question: why did they even post SOD7 after failing to elim STP in the first place?). This discussion probably isn't healthy though in a pretty secure 2v7 and I'm fine with not letting this pollute my mind & matter too much. Question 2: This one is a really tough one honestly, I have a couple of interactions of TB2 & PTSD disapproving of each other and PTSD expressing disapproval of DDLC, but nothing to really suggest partnership / unpartnership. My answer for this is TB2 simply due to DDLC's efforts throughout the game to make themself heard and actively progress gamestate in the way they saw fit. I believe it's possible with a deepwolf in Schia/Fame/vade for a world with PTSD & TB2 two inactive scumslots without a care in the world to salvage their positions, but I just think it's a terrible plan. However, I believe these two slots should flip regardless whenever, I don't really care when we're at 2v7. Question 3: Schia/Fame/Lechen remaining, town order for me looks like Lechen > Schia > Fame, though I would gladly flip every other player in this mafia game and take the first two to any volo imaginable assuming I survive here (it's looking grim), but yeah. I'll expand on these if I want but for now I don't really think it's necessary. Question 4: Although you say we shouldn't vote yet, I'm just making it clear that although I am voting Fame, I am absolutely parked on them for the rest of the day because I think you are way more townie and Day 8 nightkill nominations will very likely not change my mind so I am just making this clear. |
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Post by micromorphic on Jun 26, 2024 4:07:19 GMT
ok im back, i was just kinda parked on ptsd to see their reaction and if their potential partners would do anything about it and it seems micro's progression on me is so weird, talking about disconnects, micro had me as null yesterday and now when I'm voting ptsd, it becomes a full on "I'm partnered with ddlc" which is something I wasn't expectingt o say the least. Have been busy the past few days so I couldn't post but I'm here now Missed this initially but adding on to vaderaven's unpartnership, in a world where their scumpartner is absolutely dying without a shadow of a doubt as an unsalvageable slot, I feel like vade wouldn't take the time to put FOS on me, a slot that's not nominated, and instead pile on to PTSD, but this is probably more shallow. |
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Post by micromorphic on Jun 26, 2024 4:09:54 GMT
ok im back, i was just kinda parked on ptsd to see their reaction and if their potential partners would do anything about it and it seems micro's progression on me is so weird, talking about disconnects, micro had me as null yesterday and now when I'm voting ptsd, it becomes a full on "I'm partnered with ddlc" which is something I wasn't expectingt o say the least. Have been busy the past few days so I couldn't post but I'm here now Missed this initially but adding on to vaderaven's unpartnership, in a world where their scumpartner is absolutely dying without a shadow of a doubt as an unsalvageable slot, I feel like vade wouldn't take the time to put FOS on me, a slot that's not nominated, and instead pile on to PTSD, but this is probably more shallow. and also nominate me like that's just super bad lol? Feel like this game probably finishes itself if y'all flip anyone who is not Schia/Lechen/Fame/vaderaven and not focus inside of this group until there is a strong reason to do so. |
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Post by slowthepoke on Jun 26, 2024 4:46:23 GMT
Missed this initially but adding on to vaderaven's unpartnership, in a world where their scumpartner is absolutely dying without a shadow of a doubt as an unsalvageable slot, I feel like vade wouldn't take the time to put FOS on me, a slot that's not nominated, and instead pile on to PTSD, but this is probably more shallow. and also nominate me like that's just super bad lol? Feel like this game probably finishes itself if y'all flip anyone who is not Schia/Lechen/Fame/vaderaven and not focus inside of this group until there is a strong reason to do so. Hell nah I need vade out after ddlc |
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Post by slowthepoke on Jun 26, 2024 4:46:33 GMT
and also nominate me like that's just super bad lol? Feel like this game probably finishes itself if y'all flip anyone who is not Schia/Lechen/Fame/vaderaven and not focus inside of this group until there is a strong reason to do so. Hell nah I need vade out after ddlc Other 3 are fine tho |
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Post by vaderaven on Jun 26, 2024 9:36:16 GMT
I won't be able to contribute much anymore, hence my poor activity, but yea I don't think fame flips scum here and I hard TR schia as of right now, so I don't want to flip that slot either. Its completely possible that this is a triple town nom but I feel that micro is the slot I want to see go over right now, and if micro does flip red, maybe his partners are STP/realiti.
As for TB2/ddlc this debate was kinda hard but I'm leaning into tb2 as town right now as they have had decent progression before they just ultimately disappeared as for ddlc, they are kinda just trolling or intentionally playing in an inherently bad playstyle for town which is like bad, but then again I don't think scum would double down on doing this unless they know they are in a good position, which is neither a 3v8 or a 2v7. So that's why I think ddlc could be town.
This really leaves Schia > Fame > TB2 in my town right now and I won't be voting in either of schia and fame today. This leaves micro, and honestly, while I do think that there vote on Fame tracks with their progression, I just dislike them being so adamant in SR'ing me yesterday to saying quote "Feel like this game probably finishes itself if y'all flip anyone who is not Schia/Lechen/Fame/vaderaven and not focus inside of this group until there is a strong reason to do so.", which evidently shows how he "TL's" me now, This disconnect is too jarring for me to ignore so therefore, vote @micromorphic
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