Death Nommy: Black

[Lechen]

Jun 26, 2024 9:36:16 GMT vaderaven said:

I won't be able to contribute much anymore, hence my poor activity, but yea I don't think fame flips scum here and I hard TR schia as of right now, so I don't want to flip that slot either. Its completely possible that this is a triple town nom but I feel that micro is the slot I want to see go over right now, and if micro does flip red, maybe his partners are STP/realiti.

As for TB2/ddlc this debate was kinda hard but I'm leaning into tb2 as town right now as they have had decent progression before they just ultimately disappeared as for ddlc, they are kinda just trolling or intentionally playing in an inherently bad playstyle for town which is like bad, but then again I don't think scum would double down on doing this unless they know they are in a good position, which is neither a 3v8 or a 2v7. So that's why I think ddlc could be town.

This really leaves Schia > Fame > TB2 in my town right now and I won't be voting in either of schia and fame today. This leaves micro, and honestly, while I do think that there vote on Fame tracks with their progression, I just dislike them being so adamant in SR'ing me yesterday to saying quote "Feel like this game probably finishes itself if y'all flip anyone who is not Schia/Lechen/Fame/vaderaven and not focus inside of this group until there is a strong reason to do so.", which evidently shows how he "TL's" me now, This disconnect is too jarring for me to ignore so therefore, vote @micromorphic

No way mafia busses anyone today unless schia is mafia cuz the others are very likely to die to lynch. As I have said before, I feel like this is TvTvT tbh. Probably won't vote today because all the major discussion happens when I'm asleep but this is just something for everyone to think about.

[vaderaven]

Oh forgot to mention yea, I see the possibility of this being tvtvt and the thought is consuming me rn but then again, I still think a micro flip over fame would tell us much more.

[micromorphic]

Jun 26, 2024 9:36:16 GMT vaderaven said:

I won't be able to contribute much anymore, hence my poor activity, but yea I don't think fame flips scum here and I hard TR schia as of right now, so I don't want to flip that slot either. Its completely possible that this is a triple town nom but I feel that micro is the slot I want to see go over right now, and if micro does flip red, maybe his partners are STP/realiti.

As for TB2/ddlc this debate was kinda hard but I'm leaning into tb2 as town right now as they have had decent progression before they just ultimately disappeared as for ddlc, they are kinda just trolling or intentionally playing in an inherently bad playstyle for town which is like bad, but then again I don't think scum would double down on doing this unless they know they are in a good position, which is neither a 3v8 or a 2v7. So that's why I think ddlc could be town.

This really leaves Schia > Fame > TB2 in my town right now and I won't be voting in either of schia and fame today. This leaves micro, and honestly, while I do think that there vote on Fame tracks with their progression, I just dislike them being so adamant in SR'ing me yesterday to saying quote "Feel like this game probably finishes itself if y'all flip anyone who is not Schia/Lechen/Fame/vaderaven and not focus inside of this group until there is a strong reason to do so.", which evidently shows how he "TL's" me now, This disconnect is too jarring for me to ignore so therefore, vote @micromorphic

It's because I was only reading a world where you/realiti/ddlc were the scumteam exclusively, so because that isn't the case, I don't see you as scum anymore but I still disliked your actions. You just pair with no other possible scumteam from my POV.

[micromorphic]

Posts from Lechen are inspiring a lot of confidence, posts from vaderaven are inspiring less confidence. Getting this out of the way now as I've only seen this from Schia & Fame really but do we all understand why Lechen never ever flips Mafia?

[commanderawesome]

wait were you guys just trolling when you voted iavh or like trying your hardest to ignore the gats thing or what. Cause like that slot was so townlocked it should have been modkilled

[commanderawesome]

Also gj on the vote I did not understand how fast dls were. I have fake read back (scrolled really fast and read a post every once in a while). Currently wondering how tred everyone had these three players before the noms, am looking to apply advanced dn wifom theory on who to vote here

[micromorphic]

Jun 26, 2024 14:15:04 GMT commanderawesome said:

wait were you guys just trolling when you voted iavh or like trying your hardest to ignore the gats thing or what. Cause like that slot was so townlocked it should have been modkilled

Yeah they were townlocked but I'm pretty sure that's illegal so I just decided to ball

[micromorphic]

Thanks for bringing up a point I've been scared to say all game ca now I can't get banned

[commanderawesome]

Jun 26, 2024 14:21:38 GMT micromorphic said:

Thanks for bringing up a point I've been scared to say all game ca now I can't get banned

micro im on mobile and cba to scroll back again what were the noms that day

[micromorphic]

Jun 26, 2024 14:24:05 GMT commanderawesome said:

Jun 26, 2024 14:21:38 GMT micromorphic said:

Thanks for bringing up a point I've been scared to say all game ca now I can't get banned

micro im on mobile and cba to scroll back again what were the noms that day

IAVH Lechen DDLC

[micromorphic]

Jun 26, 2024 14:24:05 GMT commanderawesome said:

Jun 26, 2024 14:21:38 GMT micromorphic said:

Thanks for bringing up a point I've been scared to say all game ca now I can't get banned

micro im on mobile and cba to scroll back again what were the noms that day

Here were final wagons: 

(4) iavh : Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ , vaderaven , ToiletBro2 , micromorphic

(2) ddlcfan69 : slowthepoke , Lechen

(8) Not Voting: passthesaltdude , ddlcfan69 , iavh , SylvieSlays2 , NightEmerald , realiti , Fame

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Morning, quick check-in while I'm stripping down the room

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@commie @micro It's technically angleshooting, which is why I didn't invoke it when I *was* going through reasons for v!iavh, but I'll also just say like. In a very long history of having to deal with gats-- hes definitely lied about rolePMs before, as either alignment. the central disruption isn't "oh he spoiled the setup", it's "oh he trolled the game in forcing host and player to consider *whether* he spoiled the setup or not", short of screencap ping his role PM. I can get further into the specifics there, as well as stuff around the extent of things gats has done to troll games before, the reliability of that history as an indicator here, or the decision as to whether or not he should have been mod killed and not just force subbed, but all of that goes further down the road of angleshooting and, much like with rea's in-thread discussion of the fact that he was going to sub-out, isn't something that should be discussed in-game short if host saying otherwise.

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There's like three other things going on that make it impossible to talk about at least two other slots in this game comprehensively, but in general the rule of thumb is "Don't angleshoot, and if you think you might be, still don't"

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@micro Fame ty both for checking in btw, I've already thought about how I want to handle the chop here a good deal, but I do want to say, at least, that as much as both options here Just Suck and are shitty to have to decide- I have a chop that I *would prefer* to make and a chop that I think logically *should* make

holding off a bit because I think it helps with purity-of-input from the other slots but I will say that for the sake of organizing nompools for upcoming days, I should hopefully be back on desktop before 430 and can lay out full thoughts on that front

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it would be really really great if ToiletBro2 played the game

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Jun 26, 2024 13:17:46 GMT micromorphic said:

Posts from Lechen are inspiring a lot of confidence, posts from vaderaven are inspiring less confidence. Getting this out of the way now as I've only seen this from Schia & Fame really but do we all understand why Lechen never ever flips Mafia?

bolding this because, and I cannot stress this enough, game is locked (even accounting for murder-noms after lunching the remaining wolves) as long as people play with fidelity to our two locks being locked, and while I should certainly hope people understand by now that me and [redacted] cannot be mafia, it's pretty fucking paramount that people understand why Lechen is being cleared right now.

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Jun 25, 2024 23:56:24 GMT Fame said:

this is not a point on lechen's alignment but for as silly as it sounds i do think "mafia is considered fun to play" vaguely hits on something that is true for realiti's slot lol

which is less that mafia is considered more fun than town or vice versa, but rather that realiti's posting seemed frustrated in a way that isn't characteristic to mafia slots

when you roll mafia you already expect that part of your gameplay will entail, at least to some degree, preserving yourself for as long as possible because your numbers game is more crucial to protect than town by virtue of there being less of you

unless realiti was like surefire going over, i don't think he reacts that badly to being challenged in thread, he's experienced enough to know that in most cases you can talk yourself out of bad thread positions if you try hard enough unless you're literally mechanically screwed or stubbornly scumread (which wasn't the case whatsoever)

when realiti was showing that behaviour in thread idt he would've necessarily been screwed / was in a position where he couldn't set himself up for the long game if he tried hard enough lol

I know you're uh, Busy teehee, but I do want to spring iard off this rq to say like

I want us all to have a good long talk about why AtE is gross after the game wraps. It's not just an ethics/sportsmanship thing (although that's a part of it)

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*springboard

A really fun thing I've learned this game is that, beyond the mobile site reloading mid-reply in ways that make it easy to lose a post and hard to format it, it ALSO does this cool thing where on reload it will collapse and re-open my keyboard so my thumb keeps either changing the keyboard language or checking a bunch of forum mod settings which is super enjoyable as I'm sure you can imagine

See y'all this afternoon o7

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Votecount 8.1
(1) Fame: micromorphic
(1) micromorphic: vaderaven
(7) Not Voting: ToiletBro2, ddlcfan69, slowthepoke, Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪, Lechen, Fame, commanderawesome

[ToiletBro2]

Jun 26, 2024 14:50:15 GMT Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ said:

it would be really really great if ToiletBro2 played the game

[ToiletBro2]

There is zero support for micro rn, it wouldn't make sense for mafia to put him on the nomlist as a mafia - as before with litts noms it would be homicide
i.e. I'm pretty sure micro is townlocked

There is a caveat where I'm scum and me bringing this up detownlocks him, but whatever I know I'm not scum

[ToiletBro2]

schia and fame are heavy trs and assuming they are both town I'd prefer them in the game though so

[ToiletBro2]

Jun 25, 2024 22:33:19 GMT Schiavetto ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ said:

Have a thing tn then I'm out for drinks later. Before I go, three questions for folks, would love it if everyone could respond

Question 1

At this point in the game, multiple people have spoken about the exchanges early on between vade, STP, and rea/commie up through page 8. We've already established that NightEmerald was a villager in those interactions. My question to the rest of you is, out of the three names bolded above, who do you think is most likely to be a villager? Explain your thinking--don't need full links or quotewalls, but I do want some level of specificity just so folks can follow each other's thinking.

Question 2

As stated in that last post, we've got room for 3-4 mislunches before the game hits a lylo situation. That gives us time to reevaluate and sharpen our POE a bit---IF, however, we focus on the remaining to slots in the previous POE, which slot do you guys think is most likely to flip town between TB2 or ddlc? I have my own opinions here, and I expect that a handful of you might want to say "both" or "neither", but I'm less interested in that & more interested in what I asked: which do you think is more likely to be town, and why.

Question 3

I want to really, really emphasize how grateful I am for those of you who, however you felt in the moment, made noms to help make this game inhabitable for UTR wolves--because like I said, I know it can be kind of frustrating to see those stretches of green pile on, and it takes a lot of patience, which is difficult, but again: this is a marathon, not a spring, and I'm less interested in playing a perfect game (which is pretty much impossible in deathnommy) and way more interested in winning this game. I'm town (anyone saying otherwise should be put out to pasture--and you shouldn't *need* the case at this point but if y'all want to be really annoying, we can go there), and Lechen is town (I've invited second opinions on pretty much all other reads this game, but I'm hardshielding this slot and I will make this game extremely unpleasant for anyone trying to argue for Lechen being scum here). What I'm asking here is that, aside from the two players you named in questions 1 & 2, and excluding yourself, who of the remaining players would you say is most villagery?

I cannot stress enough how much this game just breaks if villagers towntell & we keep a strict POE here.

Jun 25, 2024 22:36:08 GMT vaderaven said:

q1 im townie gg

Jun 25, 2024 23:05:24 GMT Lechen said:

1. Realiti/commie. I'm tling then bcz from what I've seen, mafia is usually considered to be rly fun to play and I've seen very little active mafia spots sub in. (ik dactyl did but he was inactive since the very start) There is a chance it's ddlc/realiti scumteam but I don't really see that happening and realiti's push seems on me seems less opportunistic than what you would expect as scum.

2. tb2, idk ddlc's posting feels pretty scummy to me and his push on me felt much more opportunistic than realiti's.

3. micro i think, i rly vibe with his posting and I don't feel like he would be bussed if he was scum as this vote seems pretty hopeless for him.

btw there is a small possibility that schia is townreading me to pocket me and scummed bussed them to make her gain even mote towncred. thought this was worth mentioning potentially

Jun 26, 2024 0:08:20 GMT slowthepoke said:

1. Realiti/Commie, I have a worse opinion of vade seeing how they came into today, and their eod d6 was bad as well(the whole I wanna vote stp they're scummy is weird) , they've also kinda been doing nothing too. While realiti I've mainly had as a tl. (From d2 onwards) and while I do think rea is less townie then before, theyre still townier than vade here.



2. Tb2, u already know that I think ddlc is scum ill make the case soon(theyres even more to work with then before!) But I do genuinely see a way that tb2 can be town here. Like I still think the entire thing with the fame post wouldn't be natural to do as scum, and it wouldn't even be good for the team given their position. (Assuming it's ddlc, ptsd, dact/litt, tb2) Their is definitely a world where tb2 flips town, and if their town I believe vade would be scum, which is exactly what I think rn.



3. Prob you? Like i'm not good at reading either u or ur posts. But you've been leading town and have been leading us to a good situation. I also have u unpartnered with my main srs so that helps. Even though I'm not completly confident on u and ddlc. 



4. Fame's here and depending on what they do and how much I like their posts, I might shift to micro, but for now, I think fames a better vote.

Jun 26, 2024 4:03:11 GMT micromorphic said:

Question 1: Settled on this after some thought & reflection of my unpairs. I think of those three, vade's the towniest from PTSD interactions (I have them unpaired, also the only person I have unpaired w/ PTSD). This stems from PTSD's early game posts of creating a major interaction with vade day 1 into ptsd seemingly attempting to discredit Fame's post on vade being threadspewed, as well as PTSD calling vade into action multiple times towards EOD6, though, this final one should be held in less regard because PTSD could've seen their slot as unsalvageable at this state. I would say the only thing against this unpairing would be vade pmuch ignoring this slot all game, though I don't think it outweighs PTSD's early actions.



This probably isn't the discussion necessary here, but I think something that should be noted is PTSD's backpedal on hostility towards Schia's slot after receiving backlash into Schia not buying the backpedal. I think PTSD's slot ultimately became unsalvageable when Schia dropped the progression posts, and they just opted to not post in the game anymore (which provides the question: why did they even post SOD7 after failing to elim STP in the first place?). This discussion probably isn't healthy though in a pretty secure 2v7 and I'm fine with not letting this pollute my mind & matter too much.



Question 2: This one is a really tough one honestly, I have a couple of interactions of TB2 & PTSD disapproving of each other and PTSD expressing disapproval of DDLC, but nothing to really suggest partnership / unpartnership. My answer for this is TB2 simply due to DDLC's efforts throughout the game to make themself heard and actively progress gamestate in the way they saw fit. I believe it's possible with a deepwolf in Schia/Fame/vade for a world with PTSD & TB2 two inactive scumslots without a care in the world to salvage their positions, but I just think it's a terrible plan. However, I believe these two slots should flip regardless whenever, I don't really care when we're at 2v7. 



Question 3: Schia/Fame/Lechen remaining, town order for me looks like Lechen > Schia > Fame, though I would gladly flip every other player in this mafia game and take the first two to any volo imaginable assuming I survive here (it's looking grim), but yeah. I'll expand on these if I want but for now I don't really think it's necessary.



Question 4: Although you say we shouldn't vote yet, I'm just making it clear that although I am voting Fame, I am absolutely parked on them for the rest of the day because I think you are way more townie and Day 8 nightkill nominations will very likely not change my mind so I am just making this clear. 

Love me a set of direct comparisons

[Fame]

Jun 26, 2024 17:18:10 GMT ToiletBro2 said:

There is zero support for micro rn, it wouldn't make sense for mafia to put him on the nomlist as a mafia - as before with litts noms it would be homicide
i.e. I'm pretty sure micro is townlocked

There is a caveat where I'm scum and me bringing this up detownlocks him, but whatever I know I'm not scum

he’s been trending upwards in thread so not necessarily but i take your point