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Post by ToiletBro2 on Jun 26, 2024 17:25:33 GMT
There is zero support for micro rn, it wouldn't make sense for mafia to put him on the nomlist as a mafia - as before with litts noms it would be homicide i.e. I'm pretty sure micro is townlocked There is a caveat where I'm scum and me bringing this up detownlocks him, but whatever I know I'm not scum I was very wrong about this |
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Post by ToiletBro2 on Jun 26, 2024 17:26:04 GMT
Ah yes hello Fame I clearly did not read closely enough initially
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Post by ToiletBro2 on Jun 26, 2024 17:29:45 GMT
btw there is a small possibility that schia is townreading me to pocket me and scummed bussed them to make her gain even mote towncred. thought this was worth mentioning potentially The notion that schia is playing for a 1vEveryone win by removing their mafia partners early is a very fun one, but not worth a second thought until all scum candidates are removed. |
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Post by ToiletBro2 on Jun 26, 2024 17:35:23 GMT
1. Realiti/Commie, I have a worse opinion of vade seeing how they came into today, and their eod d6 was bad as well(the whole I wanna vote stp they're scummy is weird) , they've also kinda been doing nothing too. While realiti I've mainly had as a tl. (From d2 onwards) and while I do think rea is less townie then before, theyre still townier than vade here. 2. Tb2, u already know that I think ddlc is scum ill make the case soon(theyres even more to work with then before!) But I do genuinely see a way that tb2 can be town here. Like I still think the entire thing with the fame post wouldn't be natural to do as scum, and it wouldn't even be good for the team given their position. (Assuming it's ddlc, ptsd, dact/litt, tb2) Their is definitely a world where tb2 flips town, and if their town I believe vade would be scum, which is exactly what I think rn. 3. Prob you? Like i'm not good at reading either u or ur posts. But you've been leading town and have been leading us to a good situation. I also have u unpartnered with my main srs so that helps. Even though I'm not completly confident on u and ddlc. 4. Fame's here and depending on what they do and how much I like their posts, I might shift to micro, but for now, I think fames a better vote. STP is a slot I find very interesting; he is the butt of some SRs, and has been strongly on ddlc. I probably ought to go and find STP's progression on vade. calling schia most villagery is kind of a cop out to a question schia posed I don't find 4. non-commital; it reads more as open-minded town. This is probably largely informed by that I think micro is pretty townlocked (right up until that townloack gets momentum, so lmao) |
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Post by ToiletBro2 on Jun 26, 2024 17:45:33 GMT
What's the progression on this from TL'ing me yesterday, I'm just curious. Is this an omgus? Dislike ur progression on me plus it feels like u coasted a lot after u got widely towned d1 which i didnt like. why is this the only real progression I find for you on vade when I search posts containing 'vade' |
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Post by micromorphic on Jun 26, 2024 17:45:57 GMT
Litt noms vs PTSD noms: Schia, realiti, Winsy Tinsy | Schia, micro, Fame.
Couple questions I have for everyone (wifom mostly):
Q1: What do we think of PTSD joining thread & attempting a murder on SlowThePoke?
Q2: Do we think PTSD considered their slot unsalvageable at this point or no?
Q3: What do we think of these noms? Clearly the first one was sent to assassinate Winsy Tinsy and the second one was sent to assassinate me, but anything else really? From my POV, we're getting like, two slots that have been townread by mass amounts of people along with one that isn't.
Anyway I need to put a lot of information in my mind, gonna think of two people I would prefer survive over everybody else in the playerlist. Also gonna note that I'd like to survive because I'm starting to have fun playing this game (starting Day 6) but if not I understand
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Post by micromorphic on Jun 26, 2024 17:46:29 GMT
Dislike ur progression on me plus it feels like u coasted a lot after u got widely towned d1 which i didnt like. why is this the only real progression I find for you on vade when I search posts containing 'vade' Page 37 |
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Post by micromorphic on Jun 26, 2024 17:53:35 GMT
By the way am I the only person that ISO'd PassTheSaltDude? I am seeing a surprising lack of dissection of their slot, especially considering their slot wasn't on POE the entire game?
Q4: What do we think of PassTheSaltDude's iso? Is anyone unpaired from it? Do any potential partners stand out?
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Post by micromorphic on Jun 26, 2024 17:56:23 GMT
where i'm at currently is vade is town just by virtue of how many people are expressing opinions on them, feels like everyone has something to say and it's been invariably mixed for context my question to them concerning ne's push on them was moreso me trying to gauge if they had a "im town ffs" mindset and felt like NE's push was opportunistic bc they felt attacked in thread, which is very reminiscent of snappy townies getting caught in the moment ne looks fine to me although i do think their read on me is slightly convenient, would appreciate if they'd give more context for what exactly they're mindmelding with me on bc that was my initial reasoning for towning them and i don't really know what they see from my posting that they're agreeing with or thinking is super similar to their perspective of the game winsy had a post earlier on that i liked bc he was viewing people's slots through his own town anecdotes but nothing substantial enough from that slot yet i'm not seeing the issues people have with realiti rn as nothing they've said is all that unbelievable to me. feels finger-on-the-pulse / pretty in the moment. a lot of the negative thread reception is people misunderstanding their ideas and running with it i think. and some of their early game reminds me of myself in other games where i've been questioned about reads/ideas and its been abstracted in attempts to explain it - i.e the myan randtown series of posts. my only point of departure from this slot is during the moments where i feel like lechen acts as a bit of a lightning rod for negative attention for them in opportune moments. not a priority vote for me though nor someone worthy of the scrutiny they're getting rn imo. worth noting that im fairlyyy certain lechen might actually be new to maf in general because they're not super active on smogon mafia forums either which i'm assuming is where they're originally from. i'm fine giving some benefit of the doubt there despite me agreeing you don't need terminology to play the game. this is fairly common for new players & i've seen similar sentiments expressed by people like camryn who were genuinely new to the game and struggled grasping the lexicon at first. it seems like a silly barrier to most but it's actually a big roadblock when you're new and trying to play with an established community. don't feel particularly strongly about ptsd/micro and that comes down to the majority of their play being blocky, with a gun to my head i would place them both as town but feels a bit cold reading these catch up paragraphs. micro > ptsd on this since his questioning after entering today has been decent i still stand by my thoughts on toiletbro slot, can't shake the feeling that the reasoning for townreading schia was less than satisfactory tbh. feels like a lot of myan's posts today are bs / band-aid posts to cover up a poor entrance to the phase. the "im townlocking vade bc of page [x] in hydra" thing feels like a bad excuse for a reaction test or gotcha moment & their noms aren't very legible either. if i didn't mention a player, i'm still working it out or they haven't posted enough to justify writing anything Nostalgic Love Rock- Late Night Drive Home 00:56 "You tell me words you know I love to hear" "vade is town just by virtue of how many people are expressing opinions on them, feels like everyone has something to say and it's been invariably mixed" im trying to frantically catch up with the thread bc I just got home. But im curious how this virtue makes Vade town and doesn't town a slot like Realiti/Schia/STP who I all also think people have a variety of mixed opinions on that everyone has expressed. Im just curious why that is a town attribute when it seems more correlated to the fact that vade was just an early game Prescence so those reading the thread will get a lot of impression from Vade because they were so active so early. What do we think of this post? This is what I was getting at with PTSD & vade unpaired. |
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Post by micromorphic on Jun 26, 2024 17:59:04 GMT
Bridge over troubled water- By Simon & Garfunkel 3:20 "Sail on, Silver, sail on by. Your time has come to shine. All your dreams are on their way. See how they shine" GM folks, I just read thread and I mainly have a couple of quick thoughts Vaderaven feels like a genuine slot to me here, I think they've done a lot of heavy lifting early on in terms of trying to draw attention/ ask questions regarding current situations (like their handling of the realiti and stp stuff) and I believe that by putting themselves out here and trying to generate forum discussion they are town by trying to actively encourage discussion. They obviously arent the only slot that has done this, but they are the slot I have seen attempting this the most so far. I also think so far from their arguments that NE's read on Vaderaven could just be due to how active vaderaven has been. Just like how Realiti SRs STP for being persitent on an issue and being active. I think these reads are coming from seeing active slots that are applying a lot of pressure onto a particular idea, and that single focus can come across as scum. But I also dont think Vaderaven or STP is really scum or town for being super involved in the realiti discussion, it seems obvious to me that was the main slot the thread was concerned with so two slots focusing on the main thread issue doesnt read one way or another to me I also strongly dislike Myan's slot, from what ive seen theyve said a lot of nothing. Even their most recent questioning to fame about STP/Vaderaven being unpaired due to being on the same wavelength, feels off to me in two ways. #1- Its such a weird and vague question to ask someone about unpairing two slots just because they are on a similar wavelength that the question does not feel like its intended to encourage discussion as much as it is intended to just be a question to seem productive. #2- I dont like how that is Myans main takeaway/ the sole thing they commented on from the STP/Vaderaven/Realiti discussion when there feels like there are so many more interesting avenues and paths to go if one wants to go down that road (Like if Vaderaven/STP is capitalizing on the discussion about Realiti to generate easy content. Or if Realiti reading STP as scum but not Vaderaven for practically the same thing has any signifgance) PTSD not taking a stance on vaderaven here, what do we think of this? |
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Post by ddlcfan69 on Jun 26, 2024 18:00:01 GMT
isoing ptsd is important I was gonna do it but I’ve been busy. PTSD played in like spurts of energy and gonna look for spews there. I should be home by 4:30 eek
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Post by micromorphic on Jun 26, 2024 18:00:10 GMT
Fool- Frankie Cosmos 00:17 "Once I was happy, you found it intriguing. Then you got to me and left me bleeding. You make me feel like a fool" Ftr Myan's noms had a very clear purpose, and im going to ignore anyone that tries to use today to vote out Schia/Realiti. Both are slots that have actively contributed to the forum and that I feel confident in at least being able to get a good grasp on as the game progresses.
Not a fan of NE immedality entering thread to complain despite being absent near EOD when being questioned about their vanity wagon that did nothing to save myan / impact any major wagon. I also don't love DDLC voting STP to "Save" Myan when there were clear and better wagons that had a better chance of saving Myan. Their vote on STP feels performative and whatever intention was behind it, it definitely wasnt intended to save Myan. Looks like PassTheSaltDude was adamant on Litt's slot being doomed pre-sub, but waited to post again after Litt's sub until Litt flipped Mafia Goon. |
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Post by micromorphic on Jun 26, 2024 18:00:46 GMT
Kinda wish I shifted plur onto SlowThePoke instead of NightEmerald now because PTSD & NE are very clearly unpartnered and I think I would've wanted to take NE to end game
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Post by ddlcfan69 on Jun 26, 2024 18:04:16 GMT
Question 1 At this point in the game, multiple people have spoken about the exchanges early on between vade, STP, and rea/commie up through page 8. We've already established that NightEmerald was a villager in those interactions. My question to the rest of you is, out of the three names bolded above, who do you think is most likely to be a villager? Explain your thinking--don't need full links or quotewalls, but I do want some level of specificity just so folks can follow each other's thinking. Im answering these one at a time cuz mobile. I think commie is the most town and then Vade/stp I think need to be resolved ideally in a nom with them together. I refuse to believe in anything stp does rn I just cannot  . Vade I would like to know why they didn’t vote anyone yday on purpose they were active till end of do and did very little. |
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Post by ddlcfan69 on Jun 26, 2024 18:05:16 GMT
Kinda wish I shifted plur onto SlowThePoke instead of NightEmerald now because PTSD & NE are very clearly unpartnered and I think I would've wanted to take NE to end game |
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Post by micromorphic on Jun 26, 2024 18:06:29 GMT
Phoebe Bridgers- Scott Street 1:12 "Do you feel ashamed. When you hear my name?" Sorry gang, I've been super busy with work + I have some college friends visiting this week so i've been spending a lot of time prepping for that. I need to read everything from what happened, but immediate thoughts are like Like I said earlier Myan's intention seemed fairly clear that that was a nomination to specifically axe Dactyl/Litt which makes me feel more hesitant about potential busses on Litt's slot sense it always read as doomed since the noms.I also just find it weird in particular that due to EOD and how votes played out it feels like Maf wasn't especially concerned with saving their partner which makes Litt seem like more of a sacrifice than anything (Which also makes me feel more suspicious of Litt calling out TB2/Me/NE since it feels like Litt said that knowing that they flip and that they flip red.) Still mulling over what the fake noms from Litt means exactly, but Litt is a smart player and I feel like if he wanted to incriminate certain players, he would've done it better/ more subtly. As in I don't think Litt throwing out Me/TB2/NE as names was soley meant to put suspicion on us, I feel like it had other motives behind it moreso in somehow doing it to either draw suspicion away from certain players or to distance Me/TB2/NE from Litt. This is lowkey becoming a lot of word vomit, but NE has a couple of lines near EOD 2 that rub me the wrong way. And TB2 entire attempt to save Myan and then to vote out Schia feels like a weird attempt of saving easier votes to push in lategame (like Myan) and trying to get out players that are historically harder to vote out (Like Schia) which seems crucial in a game with no NK Both of these comments are pretty strange. This comes from SOD3, looks like PTSD didn't choose a stance on a potential bus candidate other than NightEmerald. The second comment is wayyy stranger, however, because I cannot see how PTSD came to this conclusion. We had about 6(?) people say Litt's comments were relatively townie (realiti/vade/fame/me/ne/winsy), with three people (realiti/vade/winsy) actively searching for a vote OUTSIDE of Litt. |
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Post by ddlcfan69 on Jun 26, 2024 18:07:50 GMT
As stated in that last post, we've got room for 3-4 mislunches before the game hits a lylo situation. That gives us time to reevaluate and sharpen our POE a bit---IF, however, we focus on the remaining to slots in the previous POE, which slot do you guys think is most likely to flip town between TB2 or ddlc? I have my own opinions here, and I expect that a handful of you might want to say "both" or "neither", but I'm less interested in that & more interested in what I asked: which do you think is more likely to be town, and why. I am town and I believe tb2 can be town. I think he should have a day in the spotlight. Uh if I have to go up against him I’ll do my best im sure tb2 has more to say  |
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Post by commanderawesome on Jun 26, 2024 18:08:29 GMT
u guys need to stop calling me town and start sring me so i have more motivation to help tbh. i would like to know the vibes: are people feeling like the game is solved and poe win? (not asking out of laziness). Are people feeling like this is a really obvious triple town nom? Are these the three towniest slots in most peoples minds?
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Post by micromorphic on Jun 26, 2024 18:11:11 GMT
u guys need to stop calling me town and start sring me so i have more motivation to help tbh. i would like to know the vibes: are people feeling like the game is solved and poe win? (not asking out of laziness). Are people feeling like this is a really obvious triple town nom? Are these the three towniest slots in most peoples minds?Should be noted that two alive players have called me Town before today I think (Schiavetto & SlowThePoke), and two dead ones (NightEmerald and PassTheSaltDude) |
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Post by micromorphic on Jun 26, 2024 18:12:08 GMT
Anyway time to look at PassTheSaltDude post salvageable slot posts. EOD6 bro was cooked
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Post by ddlcfan69 on Jun 26, 2024 18:12:08 GMT
u guys need to stop calling me town and start sring me so i have more motivation to help tbh. i would like to know the vibes: are people feeling like the game is solved and poe win? (not asking out of laziness). Are people feeling like this is a really obvious triple town nom? Are these the three towniest slots in most peoples minds? I think they are all slots that mafia fear. Schia will never die and micro being nommed here makes no sense. Have u been saltnommed on forums b4? I have 3 times it’s delightful |
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Post by slowthepoke on Jun 26, 2024 18:16:19 GMT
Ji guys im back
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Post by micromorphic on Jun 26, 2024 18:16:26 GMT
Eyes On The Prize- M.Ward 00:15 "Everything I have learned I have forgotten. Everything I've forgotten looks just like new" Okay *sigh*. Its bee a crazy past couple of days, and I have a lot of funny stories, but uh I have a bit of time before I go fishing later so heres the deal. Right off the bat Vaderaven gave me pretty bad vibes from yesterday's EOD and I find it weird how quickly they were persauded to get off of STP just from a huge wallpost.
i dont think ddlc is town , they are a bit null, but u 2 seem like the most likely partnering rn This line in particular from yesterdays EOD struck me the wrong way with their late snapvote on Sylvie. In general I have a gripe with the Syvlie wagon because it feels like people were more comfortable voting out an inactive slot than taking the time to try and solve a more present slot just because of their presence (I will touch on this later, but im afraid certain people are ruling out STP and Fame just because of their thread impact and presence when I think its important to take a look at what they have actually done for this thread). But what I really dont like about this is that its partnering STP/NE without much of any reasoning at all which makes this partner read feel motivated in the sense of either setting up 2 town misvotes, or potentially bussing a partner without any pressure for easy credit.
But im getting ahead of myself here, expect more on this soon. Before I go into why I think STP is today's ideal vote. Lets see why NE isnt fair enough ig im just frustrated at watching the thread die as everyone votes inac and maybe one or two arguments happen. This quote here from NE feels like a genuine frustration and it presents a general issue with the thread. The one or two arguments line actually really speaks to me in the sense that the thread feels conflict averse and people are more resigned to going with the easy options rather than ever fighting for anything else. NE wagon feels weird because the people on NE aren't even really fighting for him to be voted, they are just on him like its the only option without giving critical thought to any other world in which NE isn't the vote. While I don't expect people to randomly change their mind, I do expect town to engage in productive conversations at the very least. Micro is the only slot I really see trying to defend NE here other slots aren't even really defending NE as much as they are saying that NE is town without much explanation / without particularly trying to fight for NE's slot. And I think the lack of pushback on the NE wagon is a good indication that there isn't much urgency for NE as a slot to stay which imo indicates that there isn't many good partners for NE here.
honestly the tb2 tr has faded over time, I liked their reasoning early on, but this sr on fame was really a turning point on my perception of them, it just feels overly critical while sidelining the positive townplay fame has done. I think framing Fame as entirely destructive is inaccurate, but I'm not sure what alignment that indicates, just that I don't think it's great reasoning. as for Lechen they're entirely null, I haven't read too much into their slot so I can't say much about it NE's read on TB2 and DDLC here feel genuine and its quotes like this that show that NE is actually trying to use context and quotes to explain their reads, and I feel like the past couple of days NE is one of the only slots willing to engage in these disucssions and defend their ideas with evidence, in a way I haven't seen a lot of other players do. I never see a world in which scum NE can mimic this level of engagement and explaining their thought process Obviously I made it clear last time I was here that I had some gripes with the NE slot, but the more I revisit the Litt EOD the more I think they were just trying to set up misvotes and mislead the playerlist. I think NE's reaction to this pressure on them has been productive in that NE is still trying to make sense of interactions and the playerlist even in a day that most players are just resigned to it being NE dying. I also have said this multiple times but I think passiveness of a lot of players and the unwillingness / lack of traction in challenging the main wagon and status quo of the day is scary and if we continue to get rid of players who just dont seem like the main town voices, it will lead town in a bad position.
I cant find the quote for the life of me, but at somepoint I saw someone throw out me+DDLC+Lechen as the scumteam, and I think as long as we go with the idea that the most vocal/ towncore slots dont have scum equity, town is resigned to a lost (STP/Schia/Fame are the main 3 I see ftr) In that three I think STP has the best chance of giving us scum I say this because despite how vocal some of these slots have been, i've still seen the issue of Town being resigned to just going with votes like PQ/Iavh/ and soon NE which feel predetermined and like there is no real effort for people on these votes to change their minds. And I think by voting STP today we can at least test the theory that we have a very vocal scum slot deepwolfing (which would explain partially part of the widespread town apathy which is hurting us) im gonna rest my hand before I get carpel tunnel, and then im going through that mess of a wallpost STP made earlier, and dissecting it as a bunch of spew that STP posted in an attempt to get any pressure on them off. (micromorphic likes this ) PassTheSaltDude posts against vaderaven & SlowThePoke here on an STP nom day after NE basically already gave up. It should be noted that vaderaven opted to not respond to these points against them, nor throw the OMGUS scumlean I've seen this slot take a stance on multiple times in the game (on Me / SlowThePoke / NightEmerald), but what do we think of these? |
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Post by micromorphic on Jun 26, 2024 18:17:58 GMT
fuck, vaderaven and PassTheSaltDude interactions (one way with PTSD on vade for multiple days) needs to be talked about because i think there are some things going for a partnership and some things going against. i want to add vaderaven to the Towncore but there are a lot of iffy stuff that I'd like second opinions on
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Post by micromorphic on Jun 26, 2024 18:19:21 GMT
Famous Prophets (Stars)- Car Seat Headrest 00:28 "Apolgies to future mes and yous, but I can't help feeling like we're through. The ripping of the tape hurts my ears. In my years, I have never seen anyone quit quite like you do." Okay this is going to be split into a lot of parts, part 1 ends when this song ends. Im starting with that huge post unparterning slots that im sure most of yall didnt read. And im going through the logic STP uses to see if it feels authentic or forced, because I think exploring the logic and tone of this post can really show us if STP is tackling this from a town perspective This could be just me but the way this is presented and this line of logic STP uses to unpartner some slots feels kind of weak. Mainly because as STP says all vade did was imply that schia should go over Litt without any action at all and the main condemnation just being that its "Stupid and wouldn't make sense" feels like a lazy read that expects the reader to fill in the blank on why its stupid without actually making STP the poster have to do the legwork of making that case which makes it feel more performative. Next let's get to a reoccuring motif from STP that feels like an easy cop out for explaining a lot of these unpartnered reads and lines This is my other gripe that STP does a lot of saying stuff like "I feel like scum wouldn't tunnel their partners, I feel like scum couldn't do this" and this feels incredibly lazy in the sense that its discrediting potential partnerships based off of the fact that scum couldn't have those interactions without giving any actual reason as to why it would be hard for scum to fake. My biggest gripe with this post is it presents a lot of evidence and a lot of ideas but it never manages to meaningfully connect the ideas with the evidence. STP does a lot of saying that scum wouldn't / couldn't have certain interactions and links the interactions but then never expands upon why scum couldn't be able to do it. It makes a lot of these unpartnering statements feel surface level, and like STP posted it just to post it / maybe for a different agenda (this song is ending so I will elaborate the why in my next post) but my TLDR here is showing how STP's unpartnered post has a ton of repetitive surface level ideas that STP uses to pretend to be making in depth reads and giving deep insights. This huge wallpost definitely had an agenda of making STP look more town than actually unparterning slots/ making meaningful conclusions based on these unpartnered slots. lAnd I feel like vaderaven set STP up for it rather well (next post)This entire case on SlowThePoke sucks ass and the final comment makes no sense |
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. Vade I would like to know why they didn’t vote anyone yday on purpose they were active till end of do and did very little. 
