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Post by AligningStars on Jul 17, 2024 6:06:18 GMT
At the time I was last in-thread this+a couple of others was just the inactive list, has this changed? Aligning has started to make some real contributions recently especially in regards to his push on vade so I wouldn’t consider him an inactive anymore, but yeah the rest of this null bin is kinda just inactives from what I can tell, which is fair my null bin has plenty as well *Push on turtwigswiththrohs |
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Post by slowthepoke on Jul 17, 2024 6:06:57 GMT
L ck post confused me
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Post by slowthepoke on Jul 17, 2024 6:08:17 GMT
Also idk if this is a hottake or not but I see vade and myan as likely partners here tbh
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Post by AligningStars on Jul 17, 2024 6:10:30 GMT
Before I devolve into a dtunneling spiral, woul dlike to ask your guy's opinions of the twt slot, I;m open and I want to see why people seem to tl him here as well. I want to see what the thoughts on the slot are Extremely out of character lmaooo Also it seems vade kinda is doing what i did. ever since i dropped a read on turt he did the same thing, then i asked peoples opinion on turt, bro did the same thing lol |
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Post by AligningStars on Jul 17, 2024 6:14:02 GMT
;/ vote @turtwigwithravens[/quote]
Also if bro sr's vade, why r u giving him gun smh |
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Post by slowthepoke on Jul 17, 2024 6:14:48 GMT
i still don't like turt's insistence of not axeing myan as of right now, I still haven't seen a single line of reasoning as to why myan shouldn't go Dislike this line |
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Post by slowthepoke on Jul 17, 2024 6:15:10 GMT
Wait wtf what happened to kill L
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Post by AligningStars on Jul 17, 2024 6:15:26 GMT
Wait wtf what happened to kill L its vig gift bruh |
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Post by slowthepoke on Jul 17, 2024 6:16:16 GMT
Wait wtf what happened to kill L its vig gift bruh Shit shoulda been kill now its time to see whos gonna kill vade unvote |
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Post by AligningStars on Jul 17, 2024 6:16:44 GMT
Shit shoulda been kill now its time to see whos gonna kill vade unvote[/quote]
u unvoted incorrectly bruh |
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Post by slowthepoke on Jul 17, 2024 6:17:51 GMT
Shit shoulda been kill now its time to see whos gonna kill vade unvote[/quote]
u unvoted incorrectly bruh Nah thats proper form |
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Post by slowthepoke on Jul 17, 2024 6:18:01 GMT
unvote
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Post by AligningStars on Jul 17, 2024 6:18:13 GMT
u unvoted incorrectly bruh Nah thats proper form why does it say [ quote/] |
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Post by slowthepoke on Jul 17, 2024 6:18:33 GMT
why does it say [ quote/] Idk |
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Post by AligningStars on Jul 17, 2024 6:20:04 GMT
hmm pcb is meh im gonna throw a vote on this tho idk why they voted pcb i will read back on that vote @aligningstars where does my sr come from. I dont really see you discussing anything about me being scummy? |
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Post by slowthepoke on Jul 17, 2024 6:33:00 GMT
TOWN: creamy, turt, vade, OM NULL: everyone else SCUM: prodigu, fame, nightemerald ##vote prodiguDislike this line but for a different reason then most, i get most ppl are/were conceree about the fucking srs and i mean they were bad but like, they were at the level where I think its weird fot scum to do that knowing that its likely going to be controversial. Stupid ahh vade tl making me mad tho(also the turt one too 0 explanation and they feel random and from what I read, I dont think they used the reads for anything at least with those 2) crespo snd myan should have already been seen as unpartnered for myan mistaking them as om but theyre dead so no point in going further(also myan voting pcb over crespo). Idrc abt the ck one as psure it was widespread at the time anyways. And I also think myan did something witj them idk forgot what i read. Anyways myan + vade > myan + turt bc turtd whole trying to save myan thingy would have brought a lot of attention to them if myan had gotten voted(psure ppl still wanted them voted at the time) so itd be worse if turt tried to do that. And the insomnia is gone so im gonna sleep now. |
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Post by Fenrir on Jul 17, 2024 7:14:39 GMT
Aight so here's where we're at, it's not organized and I apologize profusely I did some skimming and have thoughts but they're neither fully parsed out or detailed. Work's had me more exhausted than I expected ~~and I didn't get paid~~, so what's incoming is gonna be kind of disjointed and focus primarily around a few key points. My take on the vig shot's to basically just treat it like modexe, develop a solid shotpool and shoot within it, *maybe* gunning someone within that shotpool to shoot another person in it if we want to ensure we don't gun the nk and waste the shot. Responses to Things and Questions Prodigu p5:"2) A Hopefully the bolded A gets what im referring to across, you able to expand on what you mean with what you said there? Like do you think the response was too wordy, was weird, was something else? not sure what youre getting at with that." Unfortunately, I’m a little stupid and don’t get the bolded A, but it wasn’t a super formed thought I had. I just didn’t take the thing you were responding to very seriously and it stood out to me that you did. idk i just want slots to take note of what prod is doing this game rather than drop early townreads on them and fail to reeval until its too late like that dn game @peng p6: I had the same thought re: Prod, but at present (i.e. up to where you made this post) there wasn’t much about Prod pinging me. I think while Prod definitely has some dichotomy in his gameplay, it’s nowhere near as stark as it used to be and flashbacks to Advent ( in which scum!Prod took control of the game/started openwolfing the second the suspicion on him died) have me stressing. Bolded that because it comes up later in this post. I mostly say this not as anything indicative of my read on Prod, but moreso to say that I get the logic behind Peng’s early stance on Prod. i think ck is probably just obvtowning lol their posts feel super genuine actually and im pretty sure if i left this post until later in the game they'd just be spewed by how many people are interacting with them this game this is more of a random question for you, but i wanted to poke you, maybe fenrir about it, but what do you make of Alignings absenteeism? Hes usually not one for that, at least not the "ive made 2 posts" style Without knowing why they’re gone I don’t find it particularly AI; as I recall Aligning’s generally pretty active so I’m assuming there’s an oog reason. I’ll concede I’ve only seen them play town, so I don’t know if there’s a dichotomy I’m unaware of when it comes to activity but have trouble imagining it’d be this stark. Fame and Prodigu, I know y’all’ve given thoughts on Peng but want to know your thoughts on them in light of Bway. I wrote down wanting to ask y'all about this but apparently didn't bother to write the reason why, but ik in bway Peng was scum under pretty consistent suspicion and it probably had to do with that. I just saw this, and its something i actually kinda like tbh it kinda puts my ~general thoughts on pengs approach on my slot into words I wanna expand a bit on the Fame read i have but mobile doesnt let me multiquote 😡 but theres several posts from Fame that feel generally inquisitive (i think im repeating myself tbh) and like Fame is trying to prompt various players about various topics that imo sits well w/ me. Once im on pc later i can do a multiquote to kinda put them together but it was something i saw while reading through iso and wanted to touch on it / bring it up while i actively had the thought abt it Maybe to like expand on the PD thoughts a bit, the best way i can put it is like Pds trying to have his cake and eat it too in my eyes(to some extent) Like, i think its fine to say “idt the trs / tls on prod are justified i could easily see him playing within scum range rn” as well as saying “we shouldnt give me a free pass” I think its another thing to then also vote me too on top of it. And say sl or whatever but thats just me tho See, my thoughts on early-game Peng here are that he’s basically saying what you put in quotes in the way Peng would. The vote feels fine to me given how early in the game it was, didn’t feel like he was calling for your death or anything, and his progression through d1 lines up with that. the entire train of thought about the CK read felt genuine imo I don’t think it’s fair to town him for the read on me alone because a lot of its reasoning feels like piggybacking off of what other reasons have been previously mentioned or instinct based Fwiw on this, at the time I made my initial read on you idt many of those reasons had been mentioned yet in-thread. It feels like he could be going for a solve with what is apparent info to him and nothing much about the wallpost is super bad, but what leaves a sour taste in my mouth that makes me want to not hard town him is the Toni vote where he’s like “I have thoughts but you guys aren’t getting them just sheep me pls” Toni’s dead but to flesh out what was going on there: It’s in the vein of what people were referring to with Toni’s meta, but imo it’s not so much “Toni goes absent when playing Mafia” and moreso “Toni tends to go absent after day 1”, so my vote was moreso in the hopes of getting things worth reading from the slot before that happened. Actual Reads and Stuff Someone mentioned Fame not playing as aggressively as they do as scum and *champs fatigue notwithstanding* I agree on that (by which I mean there's a world where their reduced aggression is just nai), they started hitting stronger townvibes for me in particular somewhere around page 10 Wanna put more focus on Prod rn and examining the timing of his pushing on PD/Myan, since when I was reading through the thread it felt like it started getting more steam as he was able to get more comfortable in his own position (referencing the bolded above). Prod isn't doing any specific thing rn that pings me beyond this and part of this is definitely Advent paranoia, but I lowkey feel like if Fame/Prod/ck are all town we'll be in good shape so I wanna try and figure out if that's the world we live in i think prod can still be either alignment, i haveent decided a slot to shift to but idt null prod is a real vote here Fwiw, you started at ~sl me would you be fine w/ explaining what caused you to change mindset? Also feels like he’s making a bigger deal of Peng’s initial read than it actually was. Maybe it’s because I’m having the same hesitance on Prod, but Peng’s progression makes sense to me just fine and doesn’t feel like the abrupt shift things like this make it out to be. If Peng wanted to put Prod into the PoE off a scum agenda, I don’t think this is how he’d go about it. Imo there’d be more coordination and focus in other areas in addition, but Peng mostly seems to be following an agenda of “don’t let Prod get complacent.” Lechen choosing dbd to focus on is a question mark, because scum!Lechen definitely has better uses of his time but I’m also surprised to see dbd be the initial focal point at all. if lechen is ever scum then dbd is prob spewed town off of that smogon meta comment but i have a hard time ever thinking scum lechen comes into the game on a site that isn't their home site to discredit someone they've played with before / has more experience with GTH I’m inclined to call them >rand town b/c in addition to this I think there’d be more intent behind the read if it was coming from scum, but I want more from them before committing to this. I had nebulous stuff I liked about Aligining and Vade but also plan to go back and check them out. Aligning feels better between the two rn because when I was more awake I could articulate what I liked about them more than just "vibes" turt looks town more off of posts like this ps-mafia.proboards.com/post/132266 for me their entrance wallpost looks pretty vapid and feeling based but the linked post makes it obvious they're observing the game a bit closer To me this level of observation is incongruous with much of the rest of their behavior so far I have other thoughts on turt incoming as well, my haphazard to-do list rn consists of: -Go back and look at NE's progression -Ask abt Myan scumlist -Look over PCB, especially at EoD -Look at Turt's EoD @turtwigswiththros hello! I have questions for you! Right now they mostly center around EoD1 A lot of your behavior regarding Myan doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I can't gauge the strength of your townread on them; to me it feels like it flucuated a lot in a very short timespan because you went from "Myan's not the vote today" to including them as a maybe in your votepool. I also didn't follow how Peng ended up in your votepool. Second, I want to know some of what was going through your head with your aligning vote at EoD. You said if the wagon on them didn't gain traction you'd vote for Crespo but didn't say much else, which to me feels like you were just kind of floating around and monitoring things and not as concerned with whether it did gain traction. On top of that, you made mention that you'd "go ahead and secure" plurality on Crespo without actually doing so, so I'm curious what stopped you (especially since Myan ended up coming in at the end and tying the vote). Lastly for rn, Myan and Turt are never partnered off that EoD imo, I think they'd be more coordinated in any sort of agenda they'd have there. |
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Post by Fenrir on Jul 17, 2024 7:16:15 GMT
So we meet again... Y'all get to parse through the above while I shower, and I'll try and condense things into a readlist if I'm not too tired after the fact. The energy's just not been hitting for me and I think it's work fatigue, but I'm gonna focus on contributing where I can |
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Post by slowthepoke on Jul 17, 2024 12:01:35 GMT
Wait kill is still there, since when did vigilante gift exist lmao
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Post by creamykitty on Jul 17, 2024 12:12:48 GMT
I wanted to dive through vades iso and talk about some things that have stuck out to me, particularly the situation of her vs turt and the progression on it because it is something I really want to cover but haven’t done much talking about in my postings yet. TL;DR: Her progression on turt’s slot feels so contrived and weird, almost like it was planned out in a way with how suddenly she goes from saying turt is townie on entrance, to snapping and suddenly going to an sl then bumping it up to the point of “turt scum, moving on.” Without any real kind of elaboration or visible thought process. ps-mafia.proboards.com/post/132314/threadHere is vades first post on turt, saying his entrance is pretty townie, they’re poking and prodding, and they seem to be attempting to solve. This is not bad, this is exactly what I thought when reading turts entrance posts and why I got to towning him so hastily. Vade then goes on about turts pmeta and how they are more reserved and that maybe this makes the entrance suspicious but yeah they feel genuine so whatever. I have already touched on this but I don’t really know turts pmeta on forums I have nothing to say here, vade just seems to be putting out what they think about the slot. ps-mafia.proboards.com/post/132331/threadThen Two hours later she hits us this post. Immediately contradicting what she said about how genuine turts opening feels, she tells us that it feels like turt is just making reads for the sake of making reads (Well yeah, you gotta make reads to get the game somewhere lol) and says their read on her was fair, she was inactive, but it feels like poking her slot for cred. This is immediately a line of reason I don’t agree with, is the post really Maf AI? This is a pretty normal way for people to enter a thread, get active, and further their solving process, it is absolutely fakeable but to deem it that right off especially a post after saying it was genuine does not sit right with me. Also good to note that she goes an hour and a half without posting, not even directly mentioning or answering those prods and questions directed at her and still goes straight into this post. From what I know, vade is kind of a snappy, aggressive player so this doesn’t at all mean she is scum yet, but it definitely doesn’t make a good case, it is an odd post. ps-mafia.proboards.com/post/132343/thread Here’s proof she has turt as a SL at that point if you ever wondered why I was claiming that. ps-mafia.proboards.com/post/132372/threadPuts her voting ticket on turt here, pretty much confirms to me that it goes beyond a FOS now and she is getting serious about her read. ps-mafia.proboards.com/post/132381/threadFirst post described him as “pretty townie” so I don’t get why she is going after him like he’s trying to spin your words when that first turt post was essentially saying she initially tl’d him, just without saying it exactly like that. ps-mafia.proboards.com/post/132389/threadps-mafia.proboards.com/post/132395/threadYeah you are starting to deathtunnel now… You seem self aware of it and are looking for other people to get opinions from, but does this stop you from tunnelling turt anyways? ps-mafia.proboards.com/post/132423/threadWill admit vade makes a decent point here, it definitely appears that way and I don’t remember turt really giving much of a good explanation for it. ps-mafia.proboards.com/post/132543/threadps-mafia.proboards.com/post/132547/threadAnd now, in the span of about 20 posts, a majority of which are unrelated or something I’ve already talked about, turt goes from “pretty townie” to an overboard sr that she appears to be locked on, without much to say in between. This just feels forced and overly aggressive. If you have anything beyond this to explain why you SR turt then go ahead, but right now I think you’re brute forcing a vote or spiralling into a deathtunnel that you need to re-examine. That’s pretty much all I’ve got to say, throw any questions you have at me. |
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Post by creamykitty on Jul 17, 2024 12:27:08 GMT
L stp for being confused by that, probably one of my less wordy posts lmao |
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Post by creamykitty on Jul 17, 2024 12:30:17 GMT
But yeah I agree with STP on vade fwiw, wrapped up why in my yapathon above
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Post by slowthepoke on Jul 17, 2024 12:35:00 GMT
W ck
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Post by slowthepoke on Jul 17, 2024 12:39:59 GMT
Although I will say the whole vade switching their reads v fast like that is normal for them lmao, nai
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Post by slowthepoke on Jul 17, 2024 12:42:21 GMT
Although I will say the whole vade switching their reads v fast like that is normal for them lmao, nai Well maybe not normal but they did do it in both dnommy and hydra |
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