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Post by Turtwigswiththrohs on Jul 17, 2024 13:16:26 GMT
ill be threadcamping if you have real concerns ping me or not, I'm willing to gun my most tr'd slot here. @fame haven't rly seen you talk about fame ever tho |
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Post by vaderaven on Jul 17, 2024 13:17:15 GMT
ill be threadcamping if you have real concerns ping me or not, I'm willing to gun my most tr'd slot here. @fame act tbh fame is a good gun what the fuck you just changed sr'd me and disagreed with me heavily...? |
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Post by vaderaven on Jul 17, 2024 13:17:37 GMT
I TR'd fame in a post a while back
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Post by Turtwigswiththrohs on Jul 17, 2024 13:18:41 GMT
act tbh fame is a good gun what the fuck you just changed sr'd me and disagreed with me heavily...? huh? I don't tr you or anything my read on u hasn't rly changed I just agree with towning fame |
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Post by creamykitty on Jul 17, 2024 13:18:47 GMT
Aight so here's where we're at, it's not organized and I apologize profusely I did some skimming and have thoughts but they're neither fully parsed out or detailed. Work's had me more exhausted than I expected ~~and I didn't get paid~~, so what's incoming is gonna be kind of disjointed and focus primarily around a few key points. My take on the vig shot's to basically just treat it like modexe, develop a solid shotpool and shoot within it, *maybe* gunning someone within that shotpool to shoot another person in it if we want to ensure we don't gun the nk and waste the shot. Responses to Things and Questions Prodigu p5:"2) A Hopefully the bolded A gets what im referring to across, you able to expand on what you mean with what you said there? Like do you think the response was too wordy, was weird, was something else? not sure what youre getting at with that." Unfortunately, I’m a little stupid and don’t get the bolded A, but it wasn’t a super formed thought I had. I just didn’t take the thing you were responding to very seriously and it stood out to me that you did. idk i just want slots to take note of what prod is doing this game rather than drop early townreads on them and fail to reeval until its too late like that dn game @peng p6: I had the same thought re: Prod, but at present (i.e. up to where you made this post) there wasn’t much about Prod pinging me. I think while Prod definitely has some dichotomy in his gameplay, it’s nowhere near as stark as it used to be and flashbacks to Advent ( in which scum!Prod took control of the game/started openwolfing the second the suspicion on him died) have me stressing. Bolded that because it comes up later in this post. I mostly say this not as anything indicative of my read on Prod, but moreso to say that I get the logic behind Peng’s early stance on Prod. this is more of a random question for you, but i wanted to poke you, maybe fenrir about it, but what do you make of Alignings absenteeism? Hes usually not one for that, at least not the "ive made 2 posts" style Without knowing why they’re gone I don’t find it particularly AI; as I recall Aligning’s generally pretty active so I’m assuming there’s an oog reason. I’ll concede I’ve only seen them play town, so I don’t know if there’s a dichotomy I’m unaware of when it comes to activity but have trouble imagining it’d be this stark. Fame and Prodigu, I know y’all’ve given thoughts on Peng but want to know your thoughts on them in light of Bway. I wrote down wanting to ask y'all about this but apparently didn't bother to write the reason why, but ik in bway Peng was scum under pretty consistent suspicion and it probably had to do with that. Maybe to like expand on the PD thoughts a bit, the best way i can put it is like Pds trying to have his cake and eat it too in my eyes(to some extent) Like, i think its fine to say “idt the trs / tls on prod are justified i could easily see him playing within scum range rn” as well as saying “we shouldnt give me a free pass” I think its another thing to then also vote me too on top of it. And say sl or whatever but thats just me tho See, my thoughts on early-game Peng here are that he’s basically saying what you put in quotes in the way Peng would. The vote feels fine to me given how early in the game it was, didn’t feel like he was calling for your death or anything, and his progression through d1 lines up with that. I don’t think it’s fair to town him for the read on me alone because a lot of its reasoning feels like piggybacking off of what other reasons have been previously mentioned or instinct based Fwiw on this, at the time I made my initial read on you idt many of those reasons had been mentioned yet in-thread. It feels like he could be going for a solve with what is apparent info to him and nothing much about the wallpost is super bad, but what leaves a sour taste in my mouth that makes me want to not hard town him is the Toni vote where he’s like “I have thoughts but you guys aren’t getting them just sheep me pls” Toni’s dead but to flesh out what was going on there: It’s in the vein of what people were referring to with Toni’s meta, but imo it’s not so much “Toni goes absent when playing Mafia” and moreso “Toni tends to go absent after day 1”, so my vote was moreso in the hopes of getting things worth reading from the slot before that happened. Actual Reads and Stuff Someone mentioned Fame not playing as aggressively as they do as scum and *champs fatigue notwithstanding* I agree on that (by which I mean there's a world where their reduced aggression is just nai), they started hitting stronger townvibes for me in particular somewhere around page 10 Wanna put more focus on Prod rn and examining the timing of his pushing on PD/Myan, since when I was reading through the thread it felt like it started getting more steam as he was able to get more comfortable in his own position (referencing the bolded above). Prod isn't doing any specific thing rn that pings me beyond this and part of this is definitely Advent paranoia, but I lowkey feel like if Fame/Prod/ck are all town we'll be in good shape so I wanna try and figure out if that's the world we live in Fwiw, you started at ~sl me would you be fine w/ explaining what caused you to change mindset? Also feels like he’s making a bigger deal of Peng’s initial read than it actually was. Maybe it’s because I’m having the same hesitance on Prod, but Peng’s progression makes sense to me just fine and doesn’t feel like the abrupt shift things like this make it out to be. If Peng wanted to put Prod into the PoE off a scum agenda, I don’t think this is how he’d go about it. Imo there’d be more coordination and focus in other areas in addition, but Peng mostly seems to be following an agenda of “don’t let Prod get complacent.” Lechen choosing dbd to focus on is a question mark, because scum!Lechen definitely has better uses of his time but I’m also surprised to see dbd be the initial focal point at all. if lechen is ever scum then dbd is prob spewed town off of that smogon meta comment but i have a hard time ever thinking scum lechen comes into the game on a site that isn't their home site to discredit someone they've played with before / has more experience with GTH I’m inclined to call them >rand town b/c in addition to this I think there’d be more intent behind the read if it was coming from scum, but I want more from them before committing to this. I had nebulous stuff I liked about Aligining and Vade but also plan to go back and check them out. Aligning feels better between the two rn because when I was more awake I could articulate what I liked about them more than just "vibes" turt looks town more off of posts like this ps-mafia.proboards.com/post/132266 for me their entrance wallpost looks pretty vapid and feeling based but the linked post makes it obvious they're observing the game a bit closer To me this level of observation is incongruous with much of the rest of their behavior so far I have other thoughts on turt incoming as well, my haphazard to-do list rn consists of: -Go back and look at NE's progression -Ask abt Myan scumlist -Look over PCB, especially at EoD -Look at Turt's EoD @turtwigswiththros hello! I have questions for you! Right now they mostly center around EoD1 A lot of your behavior regarding Myan doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I can't gauge the strength of your townread on them; to me it feels like it flucuated a lot in a very short timespan because you went from "Myan's not the vote today" to including them as a maybe in your votepool. I also didn't follow how Peng ended up in your votepool. Second, I want to know some of what was going through your head with your aligning vote at EoD. You said if the wagon on them didn't gain traction you'd vote for Crespo but didn't say much else, which to me feels like you were just kind of floating around and monitoring things and not as concerned with whether it did gain traction. On top of that, you made mention that you'd "go ahead and secure" plurality on Crespo without actually doing so, so I'm curious what stopped you (especially since Myan ended up coming in at the end and tying the vote). Lastly for rn, Myan and Turt are never partnered off that EoD imo, I think they'd be more coordinated in any sort of agenda they'd have there. I actually agree with your take on turt/myan they feel really disconnected and not in an artificial way that wolves would be planning out. I think turt not plurseccing crespo was because I did it for them, so not really anything there imo. NE progression lines up to me in general it seems like a fair analysis and readslist similar to what you put out here, except it’s harder to track due to them not really being active to put out any short-form posts. I’ve never seen the term “>randtown” used I think it’s sort of like a tl and you think they rolled town but if not please correct me. Lechen is very meh and the content they put out so far feels odd in a gut feeling kind of way but I still null them. I pointed out fame not being as aggressive and openly wolfy as their scum self, which is something I noticed when I played with them in PSMPL, idk if it carries over to forums or why it might not be happening so I’ll be inclined to listen to you on it. Prod is pretty town and I think I’ve already covered this, but I agree that he is hard to meta read so I can understand some paranoia I just don’t think it’s worth being scared about yet, Deepwolf prod is a bridge we will cross when we get to it imo. |
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Post by creamykitty on Jul 17, 2024 13:20:46 GMT
creamykitty I don't rly want to go quote the whole post so I'll quote the one section "ps-mafia.proboards.com/post/132423/thread Will admit vade makes a decent point here, it definitely appears that way and I don’t remember turt really giving much of a good explanation for it." Not trying to nitpick or anything but prod never even talked about me atp and then I gave more reasoning later on about the partnerinf Actually I won’t lie that is something I glossed over too quickly and I thought it was vade+AS. Prod points out some things that they tl you for if my memory serves me right but yeah they don’t really feel coordinated and on the same page imo, maybe distancing though it feels possible with prod on a scumteam. |
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Post by creamykitty on Jul 17, 2024 13:23:13 GMT
ill be threadcamping if you have real concerns ping me or not, I'm willing to gun my most tr'd slot here. @fame act tbh fame is a good gun Ye but before I commit to a vote I’d like them to post d2 and see where their headspace is at, same thing with prod who I think is a good gun asw |
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Post by creamykitty on Jul 17, 2024 13:24:42 GMT
I’m even willing to gun fen I feel like they are pretty safe here, but same thing as with fame and prod I want to understand who they think should be shot and their general reads rn
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Post by creamykitty on Jul 17, 2024 13:26:09 GMT
My shotpool rn if we want to gun me is kinda what it would be d1 to be honest because not much has changed. Looking at putting my lead into the pool of vade/AS/Myan/Peng(?)
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Post by creamykitty on Jul 17, 2024 13:28:35 GMT
?* Peng shot is probably what I’m least confident in rn and it depends on what they do today if they post at all.
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Post by vaderaven on Jul 17, 2024 13:29:45 GMT
we're being gamed on by a stp turt ck scumteam, goodbye
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Post by creamykitty on Jul 17, 2024 13:31:11 GMT
Vade do you really believe in that???
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Post by creamykitty on Jul 17, 2024 13:32:06 GMT
I’m pushing gun towards fame prod and fern rather than myself or that suspect pool you have. If you’re paranoid of me please don’t let me get gun and see what happens.
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Post by Turtwigswiththrohs on Jul 17, 2024 13:33:39 GMT
we're being gamed on by a stp turt ck scumteam, goodbye bruh u can't just say that and leave what the fuck |
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Post by creamykitty on Jul 17, 2024 13:34:34 GMT
This is so absurd, paranoid and defensive from vade that I think it’s town unless vade is some crazy lunatic genius openwolfer or something.
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Post by vaderaven on Jul 17, 2024 13:38:17 GMT
ck is a deepwolf~, ok bye for real this time
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Post by vaderaven on Jul 17, 2024 13:40:12 GMT
oh and its not a jokeread
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Post by creamykitty on Jul 17, 2024 13:41:04 GMT
Take a moment to reflect and stop letting emotions cloud your judgment pls
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Post by vaderaven on Jul 17, 2024 13:44:35 GMT
Well what is ONE read from me gonna do, you're TR'd by half the pl anwyays, I never saw you as a tl and I never will you were null, but your behaviour to me, is indicative of a deepwolf, as I've played scum games with you in the past where you play like this
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Post by creamykitty on Jul 17, 2024 13:46:49 GMT
Well what is ONE read from me gonna do, you're TR'd by half the pl anwyays, I never saw you as a tl and I never will you were null, but your behaviour to me, is indicative of a deepwolf, as I've played scum games with you in the past where you play like this I’ve literally never rolled scum on forums I have played 2 games in the past idk wym, I’m not worried about your SR because it’s gonna get rid of me I’m worried about it because you seem to be going into a spiral that will make it impossible for you to actually assess and solve the game later on so that’s why I want you to just calm tf down and go into some detail on your reads if you are intent on sticking with them. |
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Post by vaderaven on Jul 17, 2024 13:47:39 GMT
9im sorry im in a bad mood today, ill stop posting for now ill come back when i feel better :/
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Post by Prodigu on Jul 17, 2024 13:59:52 GMT
Wanna do some quick thoughts b4 i respond to anything
1) we got the gun (which i figured would happen or we get the extra elimination vote)
2) I saw Fenrir proposing we get a shot pool to shoot within / potentially gun within and i actually like that idea
3) CK proposed gunning one of Me/Fame/Fenrir
I actually dont think we do this idea b/c and im gonna extend it to we shouldnt gun within [Ck / Fame / Me / Fenrir] b/c i think theres ~decent odds the NK falls within here and iirc if we gun the NK we lose the vig right? So id like to avoid that if possible, also fwiw i think im probably? The least likely NK out of these due to ppl questioning / being unsure of my slot, but imo i think the rest of thread wouldnt be comfortable w/ me getting gun so idt i should be given gun
Fwiw, i feel like we need to come to an understanding as well as thread that [the person we gun is someone were likely mutually agreeing we cant/shouldnt vote in the 2nd part of today unless we have a large change of heart] (im psure the gunned doesnt get to shoot until night right? Correct me if wrong)
So fwiw, if we go the Fenrir proposed route of make a shot pool and gun / shoot within it we should likely gun the person ppl most likely think is town within it to
A) Hopefully avoid the NK
B) be able to be comfortable enough that we dont vote them in Part 2 of today
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Post by Prodigu on Jul 17, 2024 14:07:10 GMT
Wanna also put this here:
Ill be dming dnd later most likely so me being around today/tonights gonna be meh at best
Additionally, this is kind of a thought i had idr if i voiced it or not (i think i did?) gonna repeat it just in case
Feel like ~something weird is going on within [Turt / Vade / Align] and this is kind of based off like the interactions btwn the slots. and im not sure what that is feel like there could be 1 within here but would like to see others thoughts on that
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Post by Prodigu on Jul 17, 2024 14:07:35 GMT
Also hi stp
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Post by creamykitty on Jul 17, 2024 14:23:06 GMT
Wanna do some quick thoughts b4 i respond to anything 1) we got the gun (which i figured would happen or we get the extra elimination vote) 2) I saw Fenrir proposing we get a shot pool to shoot within / potentially gun within and i actually like that idea 3) CK proposed gunning one of Me/Fame/Fenrir I actually dont think we do this idea b/c and im gonna extend it to we shouldnt gun within [Ck / Fame / Me / Fenrir] b/c i think theres ~decent odds the NK falls within here and iirc if we gun the NK we lose the vig right? So id like to avoid that if possible, also fwiw i think im probably? The least likely NK out of these due to ppl questioning / being unsure of my slot, but imo i think the rest of thread wouldnt be comfortable w/ me getting gun so idt i should be given gun Fwiw, i feel like we need to come to an understanding as well as thread that [the person we gun is someone were likely mutually agreeing we cant/shouldnt vote in the 2nd part of today unless we have a large change of heart] (im psure the gunned doesnt get to shoot until night right? Correct me if wrong) So fwiw, if we go the Fenrir proposed route of make a shot pool and gun / shoot within it we should likely gun the person ppl most likely think is town within it to A) Hopefully avoid the NK B) be able to be comfortable enough that we dont vote them in Part 2 of today Vig is kinda confusing and idk the priority I assumed it happens at the same time or before NK but if NK would actually stop it then I think going outside of this towncore and voting PCB or one of our tls could be a good idea, or play it like mod exe and gun scum to shoot scum |
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