Inner Struggle (Abandoned)

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Mar 3, 2015 3:42:53 GMT micc said:

1) but they can't be town together unless a mafia power role interfered. TWD found pikacal and only pikacal targeting the player who was nightkilled. Either pikacal is lying and thus scum or pikacal is telling the truth and TWD is lying thus scum or they are both being truthful and the Mafia have a Ninja. 
2) Considering that no reasonably minded town roleblocker would have targeted TWD last night its safe to assume that Mafia have a roleblocker.
3) Since a Ninja would render both the watcher and tracker (and potentially other PR's as well) partially useless I think its unlikely that the Mafia have both a roleblocker and a Ninja.
4)tldr: I don't think they are town together - which means its a 1v1 - which means that we would normally want to lynch one of them - but lulz no flips so who fucking cares.

So here's what we know:
-D2, TWD claims to have proof that PikaCal killed ODM (softclaim)
-TWD continues to scummily respond to requests for more knowledge, finally claiming L the tracker.
-PikaCal retorts, saying he is Sherlock Holmes, a tracker who visited ODM and got nothing.
-Before TWD can be lynched a dayvig (town or mafia) shot Vigoroth to end the day. Vigoroth had fullclaimed Inspector Clueso the watcher, and verified this by saying [be sure to find out how he verified] .
-At the end of the day, public sentiment was against TWD
-Night two, rssp1/katos, a proponent of a TWD lynch, dies.
-Day three, TWD claims to have been RB'd.
-PikaCal says macle visited nobody, macle agrees.
-We start out with a TWD lynching, but I swing people into going on Fort because I believed TWD's actions were inconsistent with what mafia would do. Fort bandwagoned on TWD without adding his own argument.

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I've made up my mind, the next post is for convincing. I believe PikaCal is the scum, will explain... Fort Colorcastle, lynch PikaCal, then use your ability on someone you think is scummy (you're a vanillaiser, or vanil-LASER because astro boy). Do not reveal who you targeted until TWD can confirm this. Got it?
UL Fort, lynch PikaCal

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I am vacillating like a drunk Jimmy Carter .-.
But yeah, this gets rid of PikaCal, who I've said is logically scummier, and puts pressure on TWD and Fort Colorcastle simultaneuosly, who have acted strangely, the weird claim for TWD and the bandwagon for Fort.
NEXT post is my response to micc.

[Fort Colorcastle]

I... Citrus is on TWD's side if he doesn't find all that scummy af stuff against Twd lynchworthy. Like seriously...

Just look at that summary of everything before today. And realize how effing scum that makes TWD look. All of that and y'all didn't lynch him.

And citrus, ofc I bandwagoned onto him. I didn't read past, and all I saw was that quote where he claims tracker then uses watcher language. You pointed that out I must add. Converted overnight maybe? Seeing as citrus was reking TWD so hard, but then suddenly changes focus completely and tries to save TWD...

[Fort Colorcastle]

I missed citrus es two posts before I posted lmao

[Fort Colorcastle]

Mar 3, 2015 6:02:44 GMT Citrus Freak said:

I've made up my mind, the next post is for convincing. I believe PikaCal is the scum, will explain... Fort Colorcastle, lynch PikaCal, then use your ability on someone you think is scummy (you're a vanillaiser, or vanil-LASER because astro boy). Do not reveal who you targeted until TWD can confirm this. Got it?
UL Fort, lynch PikaCal

Unfortunately it's not that simple. My role is quite weird, I'm not a normal 1-shot vanillaiser. I also don't pick players, I pick roles.

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Mar 3, 2015 5:59:11 GMT Citrus Freak said:

Mar 3, 2015 3:42:53 GMT micc said:

1) but they can't be town together unless a mafia power role interfered. TWD found pikacal and only pikacal targeting the player who was nightkilled. Either pikacal is lying and thus scum or pikacal is telling the truth and TWD is lying thus scum or they are both being truthful and the Mafia have a Ninja. 
2) Considering that no reasonably minded town roleblocker would have targeted TWD last night its safe to assume that Mafia have a roleblocker.
3) Since a Ninja would render both the watcher and tracker (and potentially other PR's as well) partially useless I think its unlikely that the Mafia have both a roleblocker and a Ninja.
4)tldr: I don't think they are town together - which means its a 1v1 - which means that we would normally want to lynch one of them - but lulz no flips so who fucking cares.

So here's what we know:
-D2, TWD claims to have proof that PikaCal killed ODM (softclaim)
-TWD continues to scummily respond to requests for more knowledge, finally claiming L the tracker.
-PikaCal retorts, saying he is Sherlock Holmes, a tracker who visited ODM and got nothing.
-Before TWD can be lynched a dayvig (town or mafia) shot Vigoroth to end the day. Vigoroth had fullclaimed Inspector Clueso the watcher, and verified this by saying [be sure to find out how he verified] .
-At the end of the day, public sentiment was against TWD
-Night two, rssp1/katos, a proponent of a TWD lynch, dies.
-Day three, TWD claims to have been RB'd.
-PikaCal says macle visited nobody, macle agrees.
-We start out with a TWD lynching, but I swing people into going on Fort because I believed TWD's actions were inconsistent with what mafia would do. Fort bandwagoned on TWD without adding his own argument.

So VigilanteVigoroth verified being a watcher by saying rssp1 AND katos visited macle >.> sSubs, viggy, subs. Rssp1 did not dissent, much the same way PikaCal did (except PikaCal kinda freaked out), but it's not worth thinking about those two since thet are already dead.
Responses:
1) This would make sense if TWD were a watcher targeting ODM, not a tracker who targeted PikaCal. Moot point. Didn't you realize that?
2) Well, TWD was the prime suspect that day, it would be natural for a town to RB her--HIM--that night. Mafia PL obv would have gone for TWD only were he town. But since TWD was the more suspected between PikaCal and he, it would gave made more sense for mafia to RB PikaCal, because we would have doubted TWD's tracking more.
So what if TWD is mafia, and only claimed to have been RB'd? Well, despite the fact that that would require a mafia tracker to know what PikaCal did, claiming to be RB'd is a death sentence to a mafia in that position, because it looks like they are trying to cover up the fact they did not actually get something. And if both of them were mafia, why start this whole fiasco to draw attention to themselves? Even if it was planned, I think the mafia would have the tact to do something more convincing than TWD's misguiding performance....
3) I do not understand what you are saying here, to be honest...
4) I do not believe they are both town either. TWD may have been right in saying PikaCal visited ODM for the purpose of killing him. PikaCal may have claimed Sherlock Holmes so as to discourage a flavor cc, which would reveal an investigative role--essentially, if PikaCal would die from being flavor cc'd, he reveal a town investigative role and his partner would take them AND the new one down. Two investigatives for one mafia is not good. The real Sherlock holmes may not have fallen for it, being smarter than me. PikaCal may have guessed macle would idle--or maybe he knew macle would idle.
It's all very possible logically. It makes sense given the circumstances.
Which is why you guys should follow this plan and LYNCH PIKACAL! Then we can report back with TWD and Fort to see if they agree. If not... Then I was probably wrong, but we have a 1v1 between TWD and Fort at the very least.
I am so rek and too stupid to be of further assistance if both TWD and Fort are scum.
Anyways, LYNCH PIMACAL GUYS!

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So hopefully you understand where I'm coming from, guys.
Fort Colorcastle, does your ability count as a visit? Like, you eliminate a GS, yiu visit that GS without knowing who it is?
So, the token mafia roles could be Hooker, Ninja, Sniper, or Goon. Those are the common ones that have been brought up at least.

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Or if you have to choose a flavor role, then pick wisely and hope you visit them, find out so and can figure out who you visited so you can test TWD.
My official opinion on TWD sibce that seems to be a tripper-upper: strange, poor, unfortunate tracker who tracked a mafia kill but claim weird and is now feeling the reoercussions of it *but!* can make it up if he can pull off a simplw task assuming it works.

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Plus, Fort Colorcastle, unlike incognito, you have zero incentive NOT to vote because you die from the pluarlity-tie order if you don't.
Actually the fact you didn't instantly vote shows a level of balance and situational scaling that the mafia would instantly shed in favor of immediate self-preservation in your situation. So that just made me think mire highly if you right there.
Update: Citrus Freak has beeninstitutionalized for Reckless Thought to Action Disorder (RTAD). He will not be released until he is capable of formulating a plan that is right in the first place.

[Fort Colorcastle]

lmao
I did lynch TWD lol, still am b/c never unlynched.

I lynched him before suspicion came on me, and never bothered to change lel

[Fort Colorcastle]

Also no my ability isn't a vist unfortunately. I told you, it's weird.

[Fort Colorcastle]

And no, I can't disable Goons, who's ability would be the factional nightkill (nope can't touch that one)

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I meant, unvote TWD, vote PikaCal so you do not die.
PikaCal votes: micc, me
Fort votes: TWD, Rabac, priority
TWD votes: Fort
I think that's right.

[Fort Colorcastle]

Mar 3, 2015 8:02:29 GMT Citrus Freak said:

I meant, unvote TWD, vote PikaCal so you do not die.
PikaCal votes: micc, me
Fort votes: TWD, Rabac, priority
TWD votes: Fort
I think that's right.

I probably should vote Pika. Ahhh extension instead imo

[Deleted]

Mob Boss, extension so Fort Colorcastle can find his self-esteem please.

[pikacal]

Mar 3, 2015 6:55:30 GMT Citrus Freak said:

Mar 3, 2015 5:59:11 GMT Citrus Freak said:

So here's what we know:
-D2, TWD claims to have proof that PikaCal killed ODM (softclaim)
-TWD continues to scummily respond to requests for more knowledge, finally claiming L the tracker.
-PikaCal retorts, saying he is Sherlock Holmes, a tracker who visited ODM and got nothing.
-Before TWD can be lynched a dayvig (town or mafia) shot Vigoroth to end the day. Vigoroth had fullclaimed Inspector Clueso the watcher, and verified this by saying [be sure to find out how he verified] .
-At the end of the day, public sentiment was against TWD
-Night two, rssp1/katos, a proponent of a TWD lynch, dies.
-Day three, TWD claims to have been RB'd.
-PikaCal says macle visited nobody, macle agrees.
-We start out with a TWD lynching, but I swing people into going on Fort because I believed TWD's actions were inconsistent with what mafia would do. Fort bandwagoned on TWD without adding his own argument.

So VigilanteVigoroth verified being a watcher by saying rssp1 AND katos visited macle >.> sSubs, viggy, subs. Rssp1 did not dissent, much the same way PikaCal did (except PikaCal kinda freaked out), but it's not worth thinking about those two since thet are already dead.
Responses:
1) This would make sense if TWD were a watcher targeting ODM, not a tracker who targeted PikaCal. Moot point. Didn't you realize that?
2) Well, TWD was the prime suspect that day, it would be natural for a town to RB her--HIM--that night. Mafia PL obv would have gone for TWD only were he town. But since TWD was the more suspected between PikaCal and he, it would gave made more sense for mafia to RB PikaCal, because we would have doubted TWD's tracking more.
So what if TWD is mafia, and only claimed to have been RB'd? Well, despite the fact that that would require a mafia tracker to know what PikaCal did, claiming to be RB'd is a death sentence to a mafia in that position, because it looks like they are trying to cover up the fact they did not actually get something. And if both of them were mafia, why start this whole fiasco to draw attention to themselves? Even if it was planned, I think the mafia would have the tact to do something more convincing than TWD's misguiding performance....
3) I do not understand what you are saying here, to be honest...
4) I do not believe they are both town either. TWD may have been right in saying PikaCal visited ODM for the purpose of killing him. PikaCal may have claimed Sherlock Holmes so as to discourage a flavor cc, which would reveal an investigative role--essentially, if PikaCal would die from being flavor cc'd, he reveal a town investigative role and his partner would take them AND the new one down. Two investigatives for one mafia is not good. The real Sherlock holmes may not have fallen for it, being smarter than me. PikaCal may have guessed macle would idle--or maybe he knew macle would idle.
It's all very possible logically. It makes sense given the circumstances.
Which is why you guys should follow this plan and LYNCH PIKACAL! Then we can report back with TWD and Fort to see if they agree. If not... Then I was probably wrong, but we have a 1v1 between TWD and Fort at the very least.
I am so rek and too stupid to be of further assistance if both TWD and Fort are scum.
Anyways, LYNCH PIMACAL GUYS!

Right ok guys. Why the whole sudden push? I mean like, you've been really really jumpy between people today citrus, and wanting to lynch me or twd is a bit redundant. We're both possible informative roles and I don't see the point in lynching us. It's redundant as hell. Results are still results, and I think we're both pretty beneficial to town, even if we both are in the spotlight for this.  Can we not talk about this tomorrow and hope to gain some more knowledge on the situation?

Would type more on your big post, but I really don't have time atm. Just summarised a couple of my views.

[Fort Colorcastle]

Citrus + TWD y/y?

I am 100% certain TWD is scum, based on what happened today. I think Citrus might've been converted, what with all his drawing attention away from TWD. Just sayin_n

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Mar 3, 2015 16:34:10 GMT pikacal said:

Right ok guys. Why the whole sudden push? I mean like, you've been really really jumpy between people today citrus :/ I just don't want to be wrong here, and a lot of variables are being manifested at irregular intervals., and wanting to lynch me or twd is a bit redundant. We're both possible "possible..." Slip of the tongue, perchance? informative roles and I don't see the point in lynching us.Any other ideas? Nobody outside of you, TWD, and Fort have been FOSed (except for me what with Rabac and micc D1 .-.), so "don't lynch between me and TWD" is either saying "lynch Fort" which you have not done, or "no lynch", in which case C7 is your man. It's redundant as hell. Results are still results, and I think we're both pretty beneficial to town how so, if you can't even provide logical evidence of your innocence, even if we both are in the spotlight for this.  Can we not talk about this tomorrow and hope to gain some more knowledge on the situation?

Would type more on your big post, but I really don't have time atm. Just summarised a couple of my views.

    PikaCal, you're too good to say something even remotely similar to:

Jan 14, 2015 20:08:47 GMT C733937 123 said:

should we just no lynch and see who dies like in norm mafia

...Which is why this suggestion of giving you another day strikes me so.
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    I'm finding it interesting how PikaCal is still not FOSing TWD even after all this. Consider the two possibilities, that he is town or he is mafia. As mafia, he cannot, in his right mind, FOS TWD now, because that would entail saying TWD was lying, when earlier he had said that TWD was right. His only play at this point is to sell himself as townie, and get TWD killed. As a town, he still cannot FOS TWD because, well, TWD was right in saying PikaCal visited ODM. Stay with me here.
    The very fact that TWD knew that PikaCal visited ODM means one of either two things; TWD is a town tracker, or both TWD and PikaCal are scum, so they inherently knew that already. There is no reason why, as mafia, PikaCal and TWD would do such a thing, because it forced them to both claim and draw attention to themselves. So TWD is clearly a town tracker, because mafia would make no such action.
    Fort, why are you insistent that TWD is scum? Because of the RB'ing thing? I explained that. There are only two possibilities, TWD is town and PikaCal is scum, or TWD is town and PikaCal is town. Now, what is more likely? OBVIOUSLY, A TRACKER CAUGHT PIKACAL VISITING THE GUY WHO DIED! There is some room for error, but really what's the more likely?
    D1, ODM claimed to be a vanillager. Why would PikaCal, as a self-proclaimed tracker, target a claimed villy? And if he did want to go after a villy claim thinking they were scummy, assuming he really is a tracker, why not go after Rabac, who'd drawn more attention that day?
    Fort bandwagoned on a TWD lynch, then, after me and micc explained why we took our votes off of him and put them on PikaCal, he still insists (see the above post!) that TWD is confirmed scum, and refuses to vote PikaCal, EVEN THOUGH NOT DOING SO MEANS HIS IMPENDING DEATH. And he says that I was probably converted, which is why I'm doing what I'm doing. (But he's not saying the same of micc) Well, what's the more likely? I was converted, or you're over-exaggerating? Really, fort? And I was vacillating D2 as well, was I 'converted' N1, then?
    Fort+PikaCal scumteam, I'm calling it RIGHT NOW. (But hiding it lest they attempt to counter this argument in an emotional way. Let's see what happens when one of them dies from the lynching today...)

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I confirmed will die tonight because of this. If none of you vote, Fort Colorcastle will die, and he is the lesser preferred lynch for me; I am now officially FOSing him.
Stir
TheWhoDoctor
Rabac
Fort Colorcastle `-`
micc
Spieky
macle

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    Seriously, Fort Colorcastle, what the heck. IF you're town, you must REALLY believe PikaCal is town, despite all the evidence, in order to sacrifice yourself like that, so a better role (tracker over role-annihilator) doesn't die. Even if you do die, it won't remove the suspicion from him, so your death will be in vain.
    But, perhaps you are doing this so someone of your faction with a better role than you doesn't die...

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Don't you go liking my post, nerd.

[Fort Colorcastle]

Citrus was converted by TWD confirmed. Seriously, look at Citrus's summary of what happened >.> How on earth does that not make TWD come off as scum?
For self preservation, because I do believe my role (Modified Vanilliaser) will come in handy.

[Fort Colorcastle]

Lmao I forgot to ul TWD lynch pikacal

[Fort Colorcastle]

Mar 3, 2015 19:37:08 GMT Citrus Freak said:

    Seriously, Fort Colorcastle, what the heck. IF you're town, you must REALLY believe PikaCal is town, despite all the evidence, in order to sacrifice yourself like that, so a better role (tracker over role-annihilator) doesn't die. Even if you do die, it won't remove the suspicion from him, so your death will be in vain.
    But, perhaps you are doing this so someone of your faction with a better role than you doesn't die...

Literally sniped me lol