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Post by Rabac on Feb 17, 2015 22:13:19 GMT
So essentially, we're lynching him because he had a bad idea? Explain how that makes him mafia/scummy. He wants info about town power roles in the game thread. The scum want that information public so they can make a more informed nightkill choice. He literally wants the town to help scum be able to choose the best nightkill. Its probably because he's scum. Its impossible to flavor scum hunt in this game. There are FAKE character names on that list for the scum. And unless Mob Boss completely derped the setup they know which ones are theirs. I can confirm who is villy by doing this And the reason you want to confirm players as villies is what exactly? Is it so that the scumteam has a list of players that they know don't have power roles? Because that doesn't make any sense to me. How about instead the villy claims when they are about to get lynched? You can do what ever it is you do that confirms them as villy then. After that we can analyze the wagon and figure out where the scum are. You know like actual scumhunting? /me flips to page 4 ...And you blew it Citrus Freak, lay off him. He's town. He screwed up, but he's town. Responding to that other post in a sec. Well, I'm prob gonna die anyways. I just revealed myself as a plausible threat to maf |
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Post by rssp1 on Feb 17, 2015 23:42:00 GMT
Explain your scum read and how it is valid. Explain why anyone would have a strong enough scumread day 1, more so on the first day of this day. I never said that he had to have a strong enough scumread; I wanted reasoning as to why I should lynch Znaquasa. |
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Post by rssp1 on Feb 17, 2015 23:44:46 GMT
So essentially, we're lynching him because he had a bad idea? Explain how that makes him mafia/scummy. He wants info about town power roles in the game thread. The scum want that information public so they can make a more informed nightkill choice. He literally wants the town to help scum be able to choose the best nightkill. Its probably because he's scum. So how does this make him different from Rabbac, whom you said is town? From what I see, the posts themselves may have not been the same but the ideas behind them were fairly similar. (Essentially, i'm asking what changes this from a newbie mistake to a scum move). |
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Post by Rabac on Feb 18, 2015 1:21:05 GMT
He wants info about town power roles in the game thread. The scum want that information public so they can make a more informed nightkill choice. He literally wants the town to help scum be able to choose the best nightkill. Its probably because he's scum. So how does this make him different from Rabbac, whom you said is town? From what I see, the posts themselves may have not been the same but the ideas behind them were fairly similar. (Essentially, i'm asking what changes this from a newbie mistake to a scum move). Its hurtful that you guys still think of me as a newbie. Granted, this is my first forum game, and I am not a pro, but I do |
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Post by Rabac on Feb 18, 2015 1:21:43 GMT
I do play on the room often.*
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Post by rssp1 on Feb 18, 2015 2:15:41 GMT
So how does this make him different from Rabbac, whom you said is town? From what I see, the posts themselves may have not been the same but the ideas behind them were fairly similar. (Essentially, i'm asking what changes this from a newbie mistake to a scum move). Its hurtful that you guys still think of me as a newbie. Granted, this is my first forum game, and I am not a pro, but I do You're a newbie to forum mafia; that's what I was referring to. I apologize if you inferred it meant something else. |
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Post by micc on Feb 18, 2015 3:29:02 GMT
So how does this make him different from Rabbac, whom you said is town? From what I see, the posts themselves may have not been the same but the ideas behind them were fairly similar. (Essentially, i'm asking what changes this from a newbie mistake to a scum move). First off, is znaq really that new to this? I never got that impression, but looking at post count I guess im probably wrong about that. So, it could be a sign of snaq being new to forum mafia, and it could be a sign he's scum. Or it could mean both are true. I think the best way to find out is to wagon him and see how he reacts. Do you disagree with that? Re: Rabbac Ask yourself if making that claim makes any sense as mafia. Then ask yourself if it makes any sense as town. When you are done you should have a strong town read on Rabbac. |
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Post by micc on Feb 18, 2015 3:34:31 GMT
so how strictly is this 72 hour day deadline going to be enforced? as far as i can tell barely a third of the playerlist has made a post that can be loosely described as serious.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2015 3:46:43 GMT
/me flips to page 4 ...And you blew it Citrus Freak, lay off him. He's town. He screwed up, but he's town. Responding to that other post in a sec. You didn't seem to think he screwed up; your posts were focused on your defense than on highlighting his mistake. This is the only place you even suggested he made a mistake. And... Why rush to defend him so fast? How did you get a town read on him that quick? And if you did get a read on him, and he made a mistake, how does that make him town in your eyes and not scum? "Ohh, he made a bad/scummy logical case... He must be a mistaken townie." What the heck? Imo, the post this came from reeks of both bussing and defense, somehow. Shaking off an aggressor while distancing yourself from someone that that aggressor called out... Does nobody else see anything wrong/strange/scummy/weird with the way micc/rabac are acting? |
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Post by micc on Feb 18, 2015 3:53:11 GMT
Re: Rabbac Ask yourself if making that claim makes any sense as mafia. Then ask yourself if it makes any sense as town. When you are done you should have a strong town read on Rabbac. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2015 5:01:52 GMT
So she claimed vanillager; she must be confirmed then? Why wouldn't mafia claim vanillager? Would the mafia claim anything else? If anything, an early vanillager claim would distract from the person, encouraging the belief that they're irrelevant, and also explain why the one person who claimed didn't die.
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Post by rssp1 on Feb 18, 2015 5:51:18 GMT
So how does this make him different from Rabbac, whom you said is town? From what I see, the posts themselves may have not been the same but the ideas behind them were fairly similar. (Essentially, i'm asking what changes this from a newbie mistake to a scum move). First off, is znaq really that new to this? I never got that impression, but looking at post count I guess im probably wrong about that. So, it could be a sign of snaq being new to forum mafia, and it could be a sign he's scum. Or it could mean both are true. I think the best way to find out is to wagon him and see how he reacts. Do you disagree with that? Re: Rabbac Ask yourself if making that claim makes any sense as mafia. Then ask yourself if it makes any sense as town. When you are done you should have a strong town read on Rabbac. It may have been the best option at the beginning of the day, but I unintentionally ruined that by questioning your intentions. As of right now, I don't see the point of doing so anymore. Also, yes, Znaq is new to forum mafia(as far as I know). |
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Post by VigilanteVigoroth on Feb 18, 2015 6:42:37 GMT
Can we please NL or something?
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Post by rssp1 on Feb 18, 2015 9:09:25 GMT
Woah, is Jester at 225 a one-shot or w/e title?  or do you just randomly have pink stars? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2015 13:03:34 GMT
I've an idea; even though it's D1, let's lynch a scummy person.
[font size="1"Besides if she's vanillager instead of mafia we've only lost a debator.[/font]
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Post by incognito on Feb 18, 2015 13:13:18 GMT
So sorry will be afk for a couple of days because of IRL stuff. If someone could make a summary of what happened, I'd be semi-grateful.
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Post by pikacal on Feb 18, 2015 16:56:30 GMT
Explain why anyone would have a strong enough scumread day 1, more so on the first day of this day. I never said that he had to have a strong enough scumread; I wanted reasoning as to why I should lynch Znaquasa. Ahh ok, misunderstanding. He did explicitly say it was a random lynch, which sorta defeats the purpose of the lynch for pressure. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2015 18:31:44 GMT
So sorry will be afk for a couple of days because of IRL stuff. If someone could make a summary of what happened, I'd be semi-grateful. Here you go, all the important quotes. Page 1: I hate to stir up the pot before the game even begins, but I've a thought about the configuration of the people in this game. When I sent in my game proposal for Smalltown, the original configuration was nine townies, three mafia, and one third party. Aj made me bump this up to ten townies for "balance reasons". So I'm just wondering, what's more likely, that it's 10-3, 10-2-1, or Mob just gave a list of the roles in his game proposal that were confirmed to be balanced 9-3-1? He said 'scum', not mafia [in the rules], so I'm thinking there's a third party. In Minecraft Mafia, aj made it 9-2-2, with a mafia, the End, and a third-party, the Nether. Mob also said that there were no cops, which in my opinion, makes it more likely that there are two scumfactions, the mafia and the third party team, like in Fire and Ice mafia, which was 10-2-2. So what are we up against? 1) 10-3
2) 10-2-1
3) 9-3-1
4) 9-2-2 Re: setup spec Should we attempt to label the characters? Haha. No Unvote: ODM
Vote: znaquasaPage 2: this game needs less character speculation and more votes on Znaquasa. Nac Tius seems to me like hes a villy. I mean from what I can find on him hes just a character who is in the manga to die. And iirc there are 3 villies However, your logic makes no sense. "If you are racist you are automatically maf "so... Lynch Citrus FreakIt would appear so, Citrus Freak. And what appears to be several cop roles, what with L and Sherlock Holmes, along with Inspector Clueso. Maybe tracker, inspector/cop etc? Who knows, it's interesting to see so many roles that suggest themselves as being informative. I guess that may help us out in the long run. Also, hi guys :) rssp, why are you on pikacal? Zsnaq would be so much better. Page 3: I have a scum read on Znaquasa and I'd like to see him wagoned. You placed what appears to be a random vote on Pikacal. I'd like you to either: a. Make your vote useful by helping me wagon Znaq or b. Explain why your vote on Pikacal is not random (and thus useful). Quick Question. Who knows how many Villies are there? i really don't think now is the time for this. Explain your scum read and how it is valid. Re: setup spec Should we attempt to label the characters? He thought that this might be a good idea, when in all reality its a terrible idea. That list contains real town characters and fake scum characters. It's impossible to speculate about the powers of the scumteam from that list. The only thing that could possibly be accomplished from character speculation at this point is outing the existence of town power roles. Thats a job for the scumteam to do at night, not for the town to do during the day. So essentially, we're lynching him because he had a bad idea? Explain how that makes him mafia/scummy. Quick Question. Who knows how many Villies are there? Why... Why would that matter... These are usually always Power Role Manias--Everyone is a power role of sorts. What use would knowing how many villies there are be to the town? He thought that this might be a good idea, when in all reality its a terrible idea. That list contains real town characters and fake scum characters. It's impossible to speculate about the powers of the scumteam from that list. The only thing that could possibly be accomplished from character speculation at this point is outing the existence of town power roles. Thats a job for the scumteam to do at night, not for the town to do during the day. You know, micc, Rabac, if you guys were town, wouldn't you know that everybody's a power role from your own role? Or if you saw the other games here, you'd know that nobody is ever villager (except rssp1 is conceit free). And, look, mafia is a game about an informed minority versus an uninformed majority. If we take away some of that information advantage, then the mafia is helpless as town steamrolls over them. That's not to say I support everyone character claiming; while it would identify some potential scum from double claims, some would actually choose the right one of theirs, and the majority of town can be figured out by flavoring. That gives the mafia even more of an information advantage. Still, we should all personally try to speculate as much as possible, and when the time comes, everyone share their opinion. My question is, why are you guys so wrapped up about power roles, when everyone is one, and why wouldn't you encourage town to flavor-scum-hunt personally?
UL ZnaquasaI can confirm who is villy by doing this Page 4: I am claiming vanillager, so I know that there are X number of villagers here, so I'm actually trying to confirm the other villies. Like that we have a better idea of town to maf ratio. Since I figure that the other villies got very similar pms to whatI got and the PM I received from Mob Boss gave me information on the # of villies there are, I assume that the other villies got this same information. Now if you are Vanillager, or would like to claim it, claim your role and state the total # of villies there are, including yourself. I am aware that the mafia might try to claim villager too. But I will try to weed out the scum from the villies. No! Stop! If the vanillagers claim vanillager, then you inevitably get A) all the town PRs confirmed to mafia, B) all vanillagers confirmed to mafia. Town still has to weed out who's mafia from each group--but if what you are suggesting happens, the mafia get another huge information advantage! Say there are eight vanillager claims and five non-vanillagers. Well, then the mafia know who their members are--they'll just kill all of the people in the PR group not of the mafia. My word, that's a terrible idea. Lynch rabac, legit lynch this time So essentially, we're lynching him because he had a bad idea? Explain how that makes him mafia/scummy. He wants info about town power roles in the game thread. The scum want that information public so they can make a more informed nightkill choice. He literally wants the town to help scum be able to choose the best nightkill. Its probably because he's scum. Its impossible to flavor scum hunt in this game. There are FAKE character names on that list for the scum. And unless Mob Boss completely derped the setup they know which ones are theirs. I can confirm who is villy by doing this And the reason you want to confirm players as villies is what exactly? Is it so that the scumteam has a list of players that they know don't have power roles? Because that doesn't make any sense to me. How about instead the villy claims when they are about to get lynched? You can do what ever it is you do that confirms them as villy then. After that we can analyze the wagon and figure out where the scum are. You know like actual scumhunting? /me flips to page 4 ...And you blew it Citrus Freak, lay off him. He's town. He screwed up, but he's town. Responding to that other post in a sec. 1. Okay, so you RLed ODM before this... 2. Why are you tunneling on znaquasa so hard? 3. You did a RL yourself on ODM... We all do RLs. And he said one thing you found bad, that's not enough for a valid scumread. That's not scumhunting, that's tunneling. 4. My word, what is with that quote... "Thats a job for the scumteam to do at night"? What the heck? This is even worse than znaq asking for character claims, imo... Just read that quote over and over and let it sink in. 1. Yeah, I did. Is there a problem with that? If not, can I ask why you are bringing it up? 2. Because I am scumreading him. I would like to see how he reacts to being wagoned in order to further evaluate my scumread. 3. Its a stronger reason to scum read someone than anything else Ive seen in this thread so far...so I can't see why you have a problem with me pushing it. Unless you don't think that is a good reason to scumread Znaq, in which case you should explain those feelings please. 4. Its the scum's job to find the power roles and kill them. Thats what they are supposed to do. Am I wrong? I don't see how there is anything terrible about me making that statement. Well, I'm prob gonna die anyways. I just revealed myself as a plausible threat to maf [rssp1 quote about how znaquasa is scummy]He wants info about town power roles in the game thread. The scum want that information public so they can make a more informed nightkill choice. He literally wants the town to help scum be able to choose the best nightkill. Its probably because he's scum. So how does this make him different from Rabbac, whom you said is town? From what I see, the posts themselves may have not been the same but the ideas behind them were fairly similar. (Essentially, i'm asking what changes this from a newbie mistake to a scum move). So how does this make him different from Rabbac, whom you said is town? From what I see, the posts themselves may have not been the same but the ideas behind them were fairly similar. (Essentially, i'm asking what changes this from a newbie mistake to a scum move). First off, is znaq really that new to this? I never got that impression, but looking at post count I guess im probably wrong about that. So, it could be a sign of snaq being new to forum mafia, and it could be a sign he's scum. Or it could mean both are true. I think the best way to find out is to wagon him and see how he reacts. Do you disagree with that? Re: Rabbac Ask yourself if making that claim makes any sense as mafia. Then ask yourself if it makes any sense as town. When you are done you should have a strong town read on Rabbac. /me flips to page 4 ...And you blew it Citrus Freak, lay off him. He's town. He screwed up, but he's town. Responding to that other post in a sec. You didn't seem to think he screwed up; your posts were focused on your defense than on highlighting his mistake. This is the only place you even suggested he made a mistake. And... Why rush to defend him so fast? How did you get a town read on him that quick? And if you did get a read on him, and he made a mistake, how does that make him town in your eyes and not scum? "Ohh, he made a bad/scummy logical case... He must be a mistaken townie." What the heck? Imo, the post this came from reeks of both bussing and defense, somehow. Shaking off an aggressor while distancing yourself from someone that that aggressor called out... Does nobody else see anything wrong/strange/scummy/weird with the way micc/rabac are acting?Page 5: So she claimed vanillager; she must be confirmed then? Why wouldn't mafia claim vanillager? Would the mafia claim anything else? If anything, an early vanillager claim would distract from the person, encouraging the belief that they're irrelevant, and also explain why the one person who claimed didn't die. First off, is znaq really that new to this? I never got that impression, but looking at post count I guess im probably wrong about that. So, it could be a sign of snaq being new to forum mafia, and it could be a sign he's scum. Or it could mean both are true. I think the best way to find out is to wagon him and see how he reacts. Do you disagree with that? Re: Rabbac Ask yourself if making that claim makes any sense as mafia. Then ask yourself if it makes any sense as town. When you are done you should have a strong town read on Rabbac. It may have been the best option at the beginning of the day, but I unintentionally ruined that by questioning your intentions. As of right now, I don't see the point of doing so anymore. Also, yes, Znaq is new to forum mafia(as far as I know). I've an idea; even though it's D1, let's lynch a scummy person. Besides if she's vanillager instead of mafia we've only lost a debator.[pikacal quote asking how anybody could have a scumread six hours after daystart]I never said that he had to have a strong enough scumread; I wanted reasoning as to why I should lynch Znaquasa. Ahh ok, misunderstanding. He did explicitly say it was a random lynch, which sorta defeats the purpose of the lynch for pressure. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2015 18:33:03 GMT
I mean, those are all the ones I found to be important. Which is about half of all of them...
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Post by Rabac on Feb 18, 2015 19:55:20 GMT
I mean, those are all the ones I found to be important. Which is about half of all of them... Isn't everything stated important in some way? What in particular makes those parts more important than the rest? I say he should look back at everything that has been stated because what might look as an unimportant statement might turn out to be a crucial piece of evidence against that person. It may be the difference between him getting what micc called earlier a "scum read" and a "town read" on these people. It may also make the difference to what the mafia thinks of each person (ie: is he/she a threat or a possible power role. Honestly, if ODM wasnt paying attention he can scroll back. And honestly I think its more beneficial to look back at everything stated. Either way, I think ODM is saying that he will be afk because stuff is going on rn not that he was afk. I dont 100% trust you right now Citrus. That being said I do agree with VigilanteVigoroth. We shouldn't lynch anyone today imo. Unlynch Citrus Freak.On another note, there are supposed to be 13 people in this game but it seems to me that only 5 or 6 people are really talking. |
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Post by Spieky on Feb 18, 2015 20:23:20 GMT
spieky is talking
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Post by micc on Feb 18, 2015 20:38:19 GMT
So she claimed vanillager; she must be confirmed then? Why wouldn't mafia claim vanillager? Would the mafia claim anything else? If anything, an early vanillager claim would distract from the person, encouraging the belief that they're irrelevant, and also explain why the one person who claimed didn't die. how about you look at the abilities that Rabbac claimed and actually do some critical thinking? Lets suppose Rabbac is scum. Can you explain why, as scum, Rabbac felt the need to fakeclaim under absolutely no pressure? Can you explain why Rabbac decided to use that particular risky as can be fakeclaim? The ability that he claimed looses all of its validity if a single villy comes forth and says "hey guys im a villy and i don't have special information". Can you explain why he would want to take that risk? Now lets suppose Rabbac is town. Specifically the exact form of informed villy that he claimed to be. Can you explain why, as town, he felt the need to claim under absolutely no pressure? Can you explain why Rabbac decided to claim fully despite the roles seeming improbable? Do you understand what he was trying to do? Hopefully you answered no to all the questions in the first paragraph and yes to all the questions in the second paragraph. If so, you should have a strong town read on Rabbac. If not, then youre either doing a terrible job of critical thinking or youre scum. |
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Post by VigilanteVigoroth on Feb 18, 2015 20:41:16 GMT
Guess what guys somebody agrees with me
No Lynch
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Post by micc on Feb 18, 2015 20:44:45 GMT
also, im 100% agianst no lynching day 1. Id much rather lynch someone so that the wagon can be analyzed the next day when more information is available. (you know like real scumhunting stuffs).
If you disagree with that you should go back, read the flavor/intro, and realize that mob boss designed this game specifically so that the town couldn't derp their way through the game by relying on investigations and other power roles.
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Post by VigilanteVigoroth on Feb 18, 2015 20:48:14 GMT
What? OK sure.
Unlynch NL, lynch micc
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