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Post by macle on Feb 22, 2015 2:17:47 GMT
can someone right a tldr of the last day
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2015 2:46:38 GMT
Wow. That was bad. Brainwashing and stuff.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2015 3:01:01 GMT
Holy yes this game got interesting. So why did ODM die when his buddy got brainwashed, while Znaq was fed to wolves? There's got to be a reasoning behind that flavoring.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2015 3:06:14 GMT
macle, I wrote this a while back. So sorry will be afk for a couple of days because of IRL stuff. If someone could make a summary of what happened, I'd be semi-grateful. Here you go, all the important quotes. Page 1: I hate to stir up the pot before the game even begins, but I've a thought about the configuration of the people in this game. When I sent in my game proposal for Smalltown, the original configuration was nine townies, three mafia, and one third party. Aj made me bump this up to ten townies for "balance reasons". So I'm just wondering, what's more likely, that it's 10-3, 10-2-1, or Mob just gave a list of the roles in his game proposal that were confirmed to be balanced 9-3-1? He said 'scum', not mafia [in the rules], so I'm thinking there's a third party. In Minecraft Mafia, aj made it 9-2-2, with a mafia, the End, and a third-party, the Nether. Mob also said that there were no cops, which in my opinion, makes it more likely that there are two scumfactions, the mafia and the third party team, like in Fire and Ice mafia, which was 10-2-2. So what are we up against? 1) 10-3
2) 10-2-1
3) 9-3-1
4) 9-2-2 Haha. No Unvote: ODM
Vote: znaquasaPage 2: this game needs less character speculation and more votes on Znaquasa. Nac Tius seems to me like hes a villy. I mean from what I can find on him hes just a character who is in the manga to die. And iirc there are 3 villies However, your logic makes no sense. "If you are racist you are automatically maf "so... Lynch Citrus FreakMaybe tracker, inspector/cop etc? Who knows, it's interesting to see so many roles that suggest themselves as being informative. I guess that may help us out in the long run. Also, hi guys :) rssp, why are you on pikacal? Zsnaq would be so much better. Page 3: I have a scum read on Znaquasa and I'd like to see him wagoned. You placed what appears to be a random vote on Pikacal. I'd like you to either: a. Make your vote useful by helping me wagon Znaq or b. Explain why your vote on Pikacal is not random (and thus useful). i really don't think now is the time for this. Explain your scum read and how it is valid. He thought that this might be a good idea, when in all reality its a terrible idea. That list contains real town characters and fake scum characters. It's impossible to speculate about the powers of the scumteam from that list. The only thing that could possibly be accomplished from character speculation at this point is outing the existence of town power roles. Thats a job for the scumteam to do at night, not for the town to do during the day. So essentially, we're lynching him because he had a bad idea? Explain how that makes him mafia/scummy. Why... Why would that matter... These are usually always Power Role Manias--Everyone is a power role of sorts. What use would knowing how many villies there are be to the town? You know, micc, Rabac, if you guys were town, wouldn't you know that everybody's a power role from your own role? Or if you saw the other games here, you'd know that nobody is ever villager (except rssp1 is conceit free). And, look, mafia is a game about an informed minority versus an uninformed majority. If we take away some of that information advantage, then the mafia is helpless as town steamrolls over them. That's not to say I support everyone character claiming; while it would identify some potential scum from double claims, some would actually choose the right one of theirs, and the majority of town can be figured out by flavoring. That gives the mafia even more of an information advantage. Still, we should all personally try to speculate as much as possible, and when the time comes, everyone share their opinion. My question is, why are you guys so wrapped up about power roles, when everyone is one, and why wouldn't you encourage town to flavor-scum-hunt personally?
UL ZnaquasaI can confirm who is villy by doing this Page 4: I am claiming vanillager, so I know that there are X number of villagers here, so I'm actually trying to confirm the other villies. Like that we have a better idea of town to maf ratio. Since I figure that the other villies got very similar pms to whatI got and the PM I received from Mob Boss gave me information on the # of villies there are, I assume that the other villies got this same information. Now if you are Vanillager, or would like to claim it, claim your role and state the total # of villies there are, including yourself. I am aware that the mafia might try to claim villager too. But I will try to weed out the scum from the villies. No! Stop! If the vanillagers claim vanillager, then you inevitably get A) all the town PRs confirmed to mafia, B) all vanillagers confirmed to mafia. Town still has to weed out who's mafia from each group--but if what you are suggesting happens, the mafia get another huge information advantage! Say there are eight vanillager claims and five non-vanillagers. Well, then the mafia know who their members are--they'll just kill all of the people in the PR group not of the mafia. My word, that's a terrible idea. Lynch rabac, legit lynch this time He wants info about town power roles in the game thread. The scum want that information public so they can make a more informed nightkill choice. He literally wants the town to help scum be able to choose the best nightkill. Its probably because he's scum. Its impossible to flavor scum hunt in this game. There are FAKE character names on that list for the scum. And unless Mob Boss completely derped the setup they know which ones are theirs. And the reason you want to confirm players as villies is what exactly? Is it so that the scumteam has a list of players that they know don't have power roles? Because that doesn't make any sense to me. How about instead the villy claims when they are about to get lynched? You can do what ever it is you do that confirms them as villy then. After that we can analyze the wagon and figure out where the scum are. You know like actual scumhunting? /me flips to page 4 ...And you blew it Citrus Freak, lay off him. He's town. He screwed up, but he's town. Responding to that other post in a sec. 1. Yeah, I did. Is there a problem with that? If not, can I ask why you are bringing it up? 2. Because I am scumreading him. I would like to see how he reacts to being wagoned in order to further evaluate my scumread. 3. Its a stronger reason to scum read someone than anything else Ive seen in this thread so far...so I can't see why you have a problem with me pushing it. Unless you don't think that is a good reason to scumread Znaq, in which case you should explain those feelings please. 4. Its the scum's job to find the power roles and kill them. Thats what they are supposed to do. Am I wrong? I don't see how there is anything terrible about me making that statement. Well, I'm prob gonna die anyways. I just revealed myself as a plausible threat to maf So how does this make him different from Rabbac, whom you said is town? From what I see, the posts themselves may have not been the same but the ideas behind them were fairly similar. (Essentially, i'm asking what changes this from a newbie mistake to a scum move). First off, is znaq really that new to this? I never got that impression, but looking at post count I guess im probably wrong about that. So, it could be a sign of snaq being new to forum mafia, and it could be a sign he's scum. Or it could mean both are true. I think the best way to find out is to wagon him and see how he reacts. Do you disagree with that? Re: Rabbac Ask yourself if making that claim makes any sense as mafia. Then ask yourself if it makes any sense as town. When you are done you should have a strong town read on Rabbac. You didn't seem to think he screwed up; your posts were focused on your defense than on highlighting his mistake. This is the only place you even suggested he made a mistake. And... Why rush to defend him so fast? How did you get a town read on him that quick? And if you did get a read on him, and he made a mistake, how does that make him town in your eyes and not scum? "Ohh, he made a bad/scummy logical case... He must be a mistaken townie." What the heck? Imo, the post this came from reeks of both bussing and defense, somehow. Shaking off an aggressor while distancing yourself from someone that that aggressor called out... Does nobody else see anything wrong/strange/scummy/weird with the way micc/rabac are acting? Page 5: So she claimed vanillager; she must be confirmed then? Why wouldn't mafia claim vanillager? Would the mafia claim anything else? If anything, an early vanillager claim would distract from the person, encouraging the belief that they're irrelevant, and also explain why the one person who claimed didn't die. It may have been the best option at the beginning of the day, but I unintentionally ruined that by questioning your intentions. As of right now, I don't see the point of doing so anymore. Also, yes, Znaq is new to forum mafia(as far as I know). I've an idea; even though it's D1, let's lynch a scummy person. Besides if she's vanillager instead of mafia we've only lost a debator.Ahh ok, misunderstanding. He did explicitly say it was a random lynch, which sorta defeats the purpose of the lynch for pressure. And on day six I said 'screw it' and gave up trying to lynch Rabbac, going on Znaq instead. He got rekt, fed to wolves instead of being lynched, then ODM died last night, his best darn friend got brainwashed and shot him. Because of the differences between those two modes of death, I'd say Znaq was mafia.
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Post by micc on Feb 22, 2015 3:20:59 GMT
can someone right a tldr of the last day I tried to wagon znaq for suggesting we discuss characters and roles. rssp and citrus freak questioned it somewhat, and then did nothing in support nor defense of it. Rabbac claimed some sort of informed villy role. Citrus Freak tried to lynch him but eventually backed off. I described my town read on Rabbac like 3 different times. 9/13ths of the player list did absolutely nothing. We deadline lynched Znaq, and got no flip. ODM died and also didn't flip. |
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Post by micc on Feb 22, 2015 3:23:29 GMT
and is flavor actually meaningful in these themes?
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Post by Mob Boss on Feb 22, 2015 4:50:07 GMT
The stories have nothing to do with the game, just for fun. So yeah, this isn't a flavor game.
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Post by VigilanteVigoroth on Feb 22, 2015 7:50:22 GMT
Did anybody get anything helpful last night?
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Post by pikacal on Feb 22, 2015 13:34:06 GMT
Did anybody get anything helpful last night? In relation to this, we shouldn't be revealing if we don't know who is who or if we got good information or not. Even then, for example, if odm was doc and our tracker or something found a good trail, it may be extremely risky to go ahead and reveal. We would literally just be leaving ourselves up to death. Probably not making this as clear as possible or typing this like what i was thinking. tl;dr, don't reveal imo unless we have a situation where it's beneficial. Thoughts on this sort of thing? Just wondering what you guys thought on this subject. I mean we're all a power role pretty much, cept from that villy claim, so I don't see the point in claiming, at least this early in the game. (Also, this is kind of not entirely in relation to that, but I thought that was probably the best bit to throw in this.) |
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Post by VigilanteVigoroth on Feb 22, 2015 13:39:49 GMT
Ok Pika
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2015 14:03:29 GMT
Can someone just fill me in on what's been happening? Subs are werd.
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Post by VigilanteVigoroth on Feb 22, 2015 14:57:29 GMT
Pretty much town has gone crazy like they always do on D1 and ended up lynching a townie, then ODM ded at night
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Post by Spieky on Feb 22, 2015 15:08:43 GMT
ok guys did any one get a result
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Post by VigilanteVigoroth on Feb 22, 2015 16:02:56 GMT
Spieky did you see Pika's post
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Post by TheWhoDoctor on Feb 22, 2015 17:03:14 GMT
I know who killed ODM.
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Post by Rabac on Feb 22, 2015 17:03:55 GMT
Pretty much town has gone crazy like they always do on D1 and ended up lynching a townie, then ODM ded at night We don't know if Znaq was a townie... we dont know his role or his alignment. He mighta been third party for all we know esp. considering only one death last night. Although I know that death count doesnt matter bc 3rd party priority kill, conversion, etc. |
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Post by micc on Feb 22, 2015 17:46:09 GMT
Well, you might as well full claim then because soft claiming like that is literally the worst thing you can do. |
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Post by rssp1 on Feb 23, 2015 4:54:39 GMT
Pretty much town has gone crazy like they always do on D1 and ended up lynching a townie, then ODM ded at night and we know Znaq was a townie because...? |
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Post by rssp1 on Feb 23, 2015 4:55:25 GMT
ah fk me i missed rabbac's post
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Post by micc on Feb 23, 2015 7:35:30 GMT
Lynch: VigilanteVigoroth
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Post by rssp1 on Feb 23, 2015 7:51:28 GMT
hey, I agree with this one.
Lynch: VigilanteVigoroth
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2015 13:14:15 GMT
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Post by incognito on Feb 23, 2015 13:38:25 GMT
Did you really have to tag me twice? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2015 16:55:42 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2015 17:02:29 GMT
Did anybody get anything helpful last night? In relation to this, we shouldn't be revealing if we don't know who is who or if we got good information or not. Even then, for example, if odm was doc and our tracker or something found a good trail, it may be extremely risky to go ahead and reveal. We would literally just be leaving ourselves up to death. Probably not making this as clear as possible or typing this like what i was thinking. tl;dr, don't reveal imo unless we have a situation where it's beneficial. Thoughts on this sort of thing? Just wondering what you guys thought on this subject. I mean we're all a power role pretty much, cept from that villy claim, so I don't see the point in claiming, at least this early in the game. (Also, this is kind of not entirely in relation to that, but I thought that was probably the best bit to throw in this.) , if you know who killed incognito, then soft claiming like you did is the worst thing you can do because you will be killed before you can reveal. If you know who killed him, then out right now or your death will be in vain. |
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