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Post by Fenrir on Jul 31, 2017 23:29:01 GMT
First, Hallie check your pms Secondly, can we have a lynch list please? (Thank you if you do it) Oh yeah, Toni had this too. The problem with this has been brought up (showing up to check lynches and doing nothing with that information). It's a common way to fake activity and I don't see a reason for town!Toni to ask for this without following up, while scum!Toni has the obvious motive of making sure there are no lynches on them or a partner. I would not be opposed to a Toni lynch, but ideally I finish reading everything with enough time to look at everyone. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2017 23:54:59 GMT
Someone please, PLEASE teach me how to multi-quote/look at someone's ISO cause I can't do much since I don't know how to. Plus if you’re wondering why I took so long, it’s cause it’s hard to look through posts.
Pre-emptive Edit: I found out how to look at ISO so this should be easier.
Well, since there isn't much that I can do (I blame weird forum), I'm going to post my reads as of this time (From order in PL). (Also, doing this from memory since looking for specific posts is too hard u_u)
Fenrir - All his posts have great content and progresses town in a good direction, without him I don’t think we would be in a good spot right now. Imo he’s the town leader of this game, but then I don’t trust town leaders that much (I’m aware of my bias) so yeah. He adds good things into discussion and overall, just all his posts give me a town vibe. Town
Ironic Ninja - First off, a lot of his posts are just pure filler (mostly the ones with 1 line) or just filler responses to posts taking up a lot of space, a majority of them also are like “I agree with x” and saying like “I agree with x’s scumreads” and etc. I don’t like how in many of his more recent posts, he said he wanted everyone else who is “fucking afk start fucking playing or im lynching you i dont care”. Imo, this is trying to gain towncred by getting people to speak + the aggressiveness screams scum to me, but at least in his longer posts, he at leasts has good content. Also, I didn’t really like how he said he “exposed” Hawkie with the message. It seemed like an outside message that didn’t really matter and he made 2 posts on it asking Hawkie about it. (Cough, this is NOC not OC.) Alright. So overall, imo, he’s trying to provide side thoughts/commentary so idk about him. I just have a big gut read on him, so right now he’s my biggest scumread. So I will pressure him with Vote Daddy Cosby
Broken Jukebox - He only made one content-filled post and when he lynched ODM (bwing) he said “This isn't omgus, it's because he says i'm scum”. Um.. isn’t that the point of OMGUS? “I’m not lynching him because he’s lynching me, but because he scumreads me!” Basically the same. He is a pretty aggressive defender, and after defending himself he goes on to OMGUS so idk. He was saying that the “war” between Fenrir and Hawkie was “needless”, which I disagree with, since all discussion that isn’t filler is useful. It also helps with interactions, but otherwise, he tunnelled ODM quite hard, and I doubt he would buss that hard. I would like to see him post more before I make a read on him. Neutral
Hawkie - At the beginning of the game, he started with a good RVS that lead to who he lynched OMGUSing him which was a good RVS imo. He hasn’t done anything that would scream scum to me. His posts (well majority of them), bring good discussion/contributions/thoughts to the game, and they just mainly scream town to me. Although, he hasn’t made the biggest posts, he still gets his points through well. My biggest townread
Toni - Firstly, Toni’s first post in game was “First, Hallie check your pms”. Toni, could you explain this? ‘Cause it might be like, “Oh, I’m scum with you, did you know?” But, I find this unlikely since I townread Hawkie. They haven’t really made any towny posts that stand out to me, most of them are either parroting or filler. PLEASE, PLEASE post more. Neutral for now.
XnadrojX - I like his posts. Direct, useful and easy to read. The only thing I dislike is his filler posts that are like “I gotta go, I have x”, “I’m going to be active in x minutes” etc, but besides that his posts are direct and gets the message through. I wish that his posts were a bit longer with more content, but the current content he is posting is quite good. But as I said before, “Okay, so I read through everything (btw, is there a way to look through a person's ISO?), I don't really have much time to post something, but I'm just going to say that I think xnad is just trying to go with the majority (further proven by him "not needing" to explain his TR on Fenrir) and I just seem to find a lack of effort in his posts. He only responded to the "most notable objective issues" (on Page 12, idk how to multi-quote), and this to me means "Oh, I don't want to explain x or y." and then he said he might respond to "more subjective issues" later, but he didn't? Imo, you should respond to everything. As, I have to go now, I will Vote uberdogedevourer. I will be able to post more in about 12 hours” So yeah. Right now he’s, leaning town.
Zest - Still quite annoyed about his one-post and leave.. Not sure if he was just trying to just make people think he was town due to his short read list or just he's forgotten about this game/wants to be subbed out. I like that at least he went through a bit of effort to explain some of his reads/respond to things that he had been accused of at that time. The thing is, most of his reads were just commentary on what each person had done imo and providing commentary on things people have done doesn't really need effort and is an easy way to blend in with town. Overall, he is quite scummy in my eyes at this moment which is why he is placed as Scum. A post from Zest is still really appreciated u_u *cough* Zest
cseel - I don't know about you guys, but this "cseel" person seems like a great player and is obviously town.
Champ - Firstly, PLEASE BE MORE ACTIVE. I know this is hypocrisy since I hadn’t been active, but yea. I’m not the only one. As most people, probably a little under half of his posts are filler. But, I want to ask Champ why “we shouldn’t be player metaing?” I would also like you to post your reads and response now that ODM flipped Mafia. Besides the ODM x Fenrir post and the “I shouldn’t be player metaing” post, other ones are either filler or hard to read. This is only 2 posts. I would like to see more posts Champ u_u. Their reasoning for the ODM x Fenrir was decent, but most of the points could apply to other people as well. For now he’s leaning scum. This may change whether he decides to post or not.
RADicate - tfw lynched fenrir twice in first two posts He said he doesn’t want to be active, but “he would try to pick it up” and I like afterwards how he picked up his activity and made good posts (good, meaning content filled that was useful), but imo he could’ve said he didn’t want to be active then to be active to gain town cred. Right now, he’s neutral, leaning town.
I hope this was worth waiting for..
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Post by Fenrir on Jul 31, 2017 23:58:53 GMT
So far these are my reads (sorry for being inactive) Fenrir - Has contributed to town and has given reads. ironic (lmao Bill Cosby) - Posts so far is about game mechanics. Xnad - Has posted a bit but whatever is posted makes sense/helps town. Animal - Is just running around and saying "don't lynch me!" It does ping me a bit. Is only filler. Hawkie - Mostly filler, some posts do focus on helping town. RADicate - Hasn't posted much but whatever he posted just was an indirect OMGUS. Well rest is just lurking or filler or haven't posted alot. These reads will improve once the game does progress. VOTE: AnimalSeriously you just need to stop posting "don't lynch me" post and start contributing. Zest's infamous readlist. I still don't see the major problem people have with this other than the reads being primarily based on "this person is contributing" or "this person isn't contributing", although I don't like that these are basically the only comments he has on the gamestate especially given his comment that they would improve as the game progressed. The lynch on Ani, to me, still makes sense. |
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Post by Fenrir on Aug 1, 2017 0:23:13 GMT
Meh we should keep our options open, we shouldn't be locked into NL just because it's the 'mathematically' right choice. If someone is being a BSing piece of shit, I'm not against driving a lynch on them. Locking ourselves in NL just removes the pressure scum get from votes. Fenrir's Analysis of mine+the dickmaster is an example of what real analysis looks like, even though it only talks about 2 people, it goes far deeper than "they've done X", and is far more informative about the state of their reads. Something about the way Xnad is so quickly willing to drop the push for NL seems off and it doesn't coincide well with his last second vote for ODM (no, it was unlikely he'd have gotten enough support for NL at that time but why even bother lynching?) There's also the praise of "real analysis" desipte it taking a while for Xnad to give analysis of his own. |
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Post by Fenrir on Aug 1, 2017 0:27:58 GMT
@spiderlover77 is either scum trying to act so scummy that people don't lynch him or is just scummy town or something.... But I am not liking how he is playing altogether, First he just asks not to be lynched, then he becomes filler and then he lynches Zol for "memes" like come on... you're better than this animole There's more from Toni than I remember. I get "town mediator" vibes from this, like he's trying to get on Ani's good side while also agreeing that Ani is scummy without actually placing a lynch or FoS. It's noncommital. |
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Post by Fenrir on Aug 1, 2017 3:17:14 GMT
OK POST TIME HYYYYYYPE: 1- Hawkie. Rule #1 about Hawkie. If he gets defensive and starts complaining about how he 'shouldn't have joined' and 'doesn't have time', he's scum. Most probably with a scumpartner he doesn't want to be with(Sorry dude). Hence my awesome lynch. 2-Fenrir. Fenrir is Fenrir. He'll talk and contribute whether he's town or scum. Fenrir just puts so much effort into a game that you feel bad for lynching him when he's trying so hard. I think he is town but nothing's for sure yet. ALSO FENRIR WTF ARE YOU ACTUALLY DOUBTING MY TRUTHINESS OF DELIVERING A READ POST? SHAAAAAAME ON YOU. 3-Xnadrojx. Town read. If Xnadroj is being stupid(aka Xnadroj), and coming up with stupid plans he's town. When he tries to play a legit mafia game without making mistakes, he's scum. 4-Ironic Ninja. All of his posts include some sort of filler. Literally check any of his posts and you will find something not related to the game. ' This is what happens when you have trolls --- they flip town and your like fuck what did we get with that. And then when they sometimes flip scum we are like how did we let them live' What the fuck is that? That makes no sense and seems likea lame attempt at hiding your true feelings for a townie being lynched. 5-Toni is just being toni I guess. Barely showing up. Barely making any effort. 6-RADicate. RAD points out some good stuff and that's something I like. He pointed out xnad being scummy, and also single handedly destroyed the HYPO stuff. Thank you for not letting scum find out who the cop is RAD. Townlock for me(Unless lyncher). So RAD please don't leave. 7-animallover77. I like your style. I for one will not be lynching you. (I know he's dead relax ffs and stop scumreading my trolling for once okay?) 8-Champ. I don't like the lazy approach of 'you want something out of me, tag me and I'll answer', how about talking about who YOU think is scum? 9-Bored. Bored is scum. No discussion there. 10-ZoL-Bad read list, no content, but everyone wants you lynched so you're probably town. One thing you people fail to notice though, if >3 people agree to lynch someone, that means that someone is most likely town. So if ever you see that a lot of people agree on a lynch, I would honestly just clear that person as town, just like what happened with animallover So for now I would say the Werewolves are Hawkie and someone Hawkie is annoyed being partnered with, maybe Toni? Mafia are Ironic, Bored and Champ And lyncher is maybe Zest or Fenrir? Idk I have no solid reads on lyncher at this point. I'm also surprised not enough people pressured me into talking more. I would have lynched me at this point to be honest. Any questions are welcome. So there's a lot on Day 1 that I basically gave all my thoughts already and my brief stint of computer time is gone so I'm going to move to the usual reason I read back and look at interactions with flipped scum/town. Ani has next to none, so I'm focusing on ODM right now. I also want to reread Champ and Hawkie if I get the chance and respond to cseel. Hawkie: Unlkiely to be partnered with ODM. While it's possible that Hawkie bussed, it would be utterly needless given the time he voted. No wifom present even, it would just be a stupid move. There's also the fact hat ODM was actually pushing for a Hawkie lynch before he entered wifom valley. The read here is a meta read, and I've given my thoughts on those. Werewolf and Lyncher Hawkie are still possible (I'm debating if Hawkie is someone who would opt to not send a kill or was inactive and didn't send). Fenrir: Oh hey, that's me. Someone else can analyze if they want, but the meta read to me looks like an attempt to give "original reasons" for sheeting a general townreads on me from everyone but Champ and Hawkie. He also took the wifom to exponential levels once he was about to be lynched, which as Hawkie said would be a suicidal move to make with a partner. Xnad: Another meta read, and here's where it gets interesting. Anyone involved in or reading Sinnoh Mafia is probably aware that Xnad made a "plan" and ODM scumread him for it, so this is a distinct contradiction. Especially because Xnad's only "plan" this game has been a suggestion on NL, which he didn't follow through on. Clc: Probably not partnered with ODM unless ODM decided to start distancing early, but even then the read is based on flawed logic (clc having filler in some of his posts). It comes across as trying to detract from someone who was at the time widely townread (detract being a better word than discredit, this caused a day-long discussion about Hawkie in anon and Hawkie wasn't even there so let me clarify: mafia has no nightkill and thus in my opinion will try to make Townie players look worse to prevent people trim building overwhelmingly large townblocs). Toni: Is this null or a scumread? To me it feels like hedging based on meta and makes Toni another possible partner. Rad: Minor hedging ("unless lyncher") comment but i doubt they're partnered with each other; I can't see scum putting a partner as a town lock this early on, especially when that player's not stand-out Townie. He mentions liking that Rad pointed out some scummy things about Xnad, but apparently finds Xnad town still and never comments on Rad's points themselves, which incriminates Xnad more. Champ: Basically sheeps the general sentiment here, but there's no read. Bored: I almost want to lynch Bored just to get this bit of wifom out of the way, but at the same time it's basically wifom and frankly I want to see content in some form from Bored today before lynching him. There's also the fact that ODM didn't have reason to start wifoming at this point imo. Zest: The problem with this had been discussed and it makes Zest a very likely partner; almost too obvious but it still stands out. I think it's more likely an attempt to pocket, which would make Zest still possibly a werewolf (would work as he's still been inactive) or Lyncher (target being  ) Based on this, I will lynch uberdogedevourer, who both has scummy content of his own and scummy connections to flipped scum. |
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Post by Fenrir on Aug 1, 2017 3:19:23 GMT
I also think today is when the LYNCHER will strike and try to get a wagon on their target. Be weary. I'm going out of order and I'm sorry, but the wifom this introduces scares me and makes me worry about Lyncher!Hawkie wifoming it for a Toni lynch, but at the same time that would necessitate Toni being town which...if he is, he's not doing a great job of showing it. |
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Post by Fenrir on Aug 1, 2017 6:08:28 GMT
o3o time to read these mass loads of posts.... expect a lot of posts from me Yeah, what happened to that again? This applies to uberdoge "I'll be back in 4 hours" devourer as well. Woke up to take medicine and can't get back to sleep, so I'm here now and I guess I'll look at cseel's post. |
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Post by Fenrir on Aug 1, 2017 6:46:26 GMT
Someone please, PLEASE teach me how to multi-quote/look at someone's ISO cause I can't do much since I don't know how to. Plus if you’re wondering why I took so long, it’s cause it’s hard to look through posts.
Pre-emptive Edit: I found out how to look at ISO so this should be easier.Well, since there isn't much that I can do (I blame weird forum), I'm going to post my reads as of this time (From order in PL). (Also, doing this from memory since looking for specific posts is too hard u_u)Fenrir - All his posts have great content and progresses town in a good direction, without him I don’t think we would be in a good spot right now. Imo he’s the town leader of this game, but then I don’t trust town leaders that much (I’m aware of my bias) so yeah. He adds good things into discussion and overall, just all his posts give me a town vibe. TownIronic Ninja - First off, a lot of his posts are just pure filler (mostly the ones with 1 line) or just filler responses to posts taking up a lot of space, a majority of them also are like “I agree with x” and saying like “I agree with x’s scumreads” and etc. I don’t like how in many of his more recent posts, he said he wanted everyone else who is “fucking afk start fucking playing or im lynching you i dont care”. Imo, this is trying to gain towncred by getting people to speak + the aggressiveness screams scum to me, but at least in his longer posts, he at leasts has good content. Also, I didn’t really like how he said he “exposed” Hawkie with the message. It seemed like an outside message that didn’t really matter and he made 2 posts on it asking Hawkie about it. (Cough, this is NOC not OC.) Alright. So overall, imo, he’s trying to provide side thoughts/commentary so idk about him. I just have a big gut read on him, so right now he’s my biggest scumread. So I will pressure him with Vote Daddy CosbyBroken Jukebox - He only made one content-filled post and when he lynched ODM (bwing) he said “This isn't omgus, it's because he says i'm scum”. Um.. isn’t that the point of OMGUS? “I’m not lynching him because he’s lynching me, but because he scumreads me!” Basically the same. He is a pretty aggressive defender, and after defending himself he goes on to OMGUS so idk. He was saying that the “war” between Fenrir and Hawkie was “needless”, which I disagree with, since all discussion that isn’t filler is useful. It also helps with interactions, but otherwise, he tunnelled ODM quite hard, and I doubt he would buss that hard. I would like to see him post more before I make a read on him. NeutralHawkie - At the beginning of the game, he started with a good RVS that lead to who he lynched OMGUSing him which was a good RVS imo. He hasn’t done anything that would scream scum to me. His posts (well majority of them), bring good discussion/contributions/thoughts to the game, and they just mainly scream town to me. Although, he hasn’t made the biggest posts, he still gets his points through well. My biggest townreadToni - Firstly, Toni’s first post in game was “First, Hallie check your pms”. Toni, could you explain this? ‘Cause it might be like, “Oh, I’m scum with you, did you know?” But, I find this unlikely since I townread Hawkie. They haven’t really made any towny posts that stand out to me, most of them are either parroting or filler. P LEASE, PLEASE post more. Neutral for now.XnadrojX - I like his posts. Direct, useful and easy to read. The only thing I dislike is his filler posts that are like “I gotta go, I have x”, “I’m going to be active in x minutes” etc, but besides that his posts are direct and gets the message through. I wish that his posts were a bit longer with more content, but the current content he is posting is quite good. But as I said before, “Okay, so I read through everything (btw, is there a way to look through a person's ISO?), I don't really have much time to post something, but I'm just going to say that I think xnad is just trying to go with the majority (further proven by him "not needing" to explain his TR on Fenrir) and I just seem to find a lack of effort in his posts. He only responded to the "most notable objective issues" (on Page 12, idk how to multi-quote), and this to me means "Oh, I don't want to explain x or y." and then he said he might respond to "more subjective issues" later, but he didn't? Imo, you should respond to everything. As, I have to go now, I will Vote uberdogedevourer. I will be able to post more in about 12 hours” So yeah. Right now he’s, leaning town.Zest - Still quite annoyed about his one-post and leave.. Not sure if he was just trying to just make people think he was town due to his short read list or just he's forgotten about this game/wants to be subbed out. I like that at least he went through a bit of effort to explain some of his reads/respond to things that he had been accused of at that time. The thing is, most of his reads were just commentary on what each person had done imo and providing commentary on things people have done doesn't really need effort and is an easy way to blend in with town. Overall, he is quite scummy in my eyes at this moment which is why he is placed as Scum. A post from Zest is still really appreciated u_u *cough* Zest cseel - I don't know about you guys, but this "cseel" person seems like a great player and is obviously town.Champ - Firstly, PLEASE BE MORE ACTIVE. I know this is hypocrisy since I hadn’t been active, but yea. I’m not the only one. As most people, probably a little under half of his posts are filler. But, I want to ask Champ why “we shouldn’t be player metaing?” I would also like you to post your reads and response now that ODM flipped Mafia. Besides the ODM x Fenrir post and the “I shouldn’t be player metaing” post, other ones are either filler or hard to read. This is only 2 posts. I would like to see more posts Champ u_u. Their reasoning for the ODM x Fenrir was decent, but most of the points could apply to other people as well. For now he’s leaning scum. This may change whether he decides to post or not.RADicate - tfw lynched fenrir twice in first two posts He said he doesn’t want to be active, but “he would try to pick it up” and I like afterwards how he picked up his activity and made good posts (good, meaning content filled that was useful), but imo he could’ve said he didn’t want to be active then to be active to gain town cred. Right now, he’s neutral, leaning town.I hope this was worth waiting for.. Me: This feels eerily similar to your "initial" (read: shifted read that defined you) read on me in anon. I'm not quite sure what this indicates, but the lack of examples of "good things" and posts that give you a "town vibe" make me wary (in contrast with anon where you pointed out examples of the things that made you wary of me). Clc: Looking back a few pages, I don't see a ton of posts from him recently but I also don't recall a significant amount of filler. You mention appreciating that he has good content yet he's still your top scumread, which seems odd. There's also your comment on aggression screaming scum, which imo is more of a playstyle thing. It seems odd for scum!cseel to pursue this push unless they're the Lyncher, but other than this read there's VERY little else as far as pushing for a clc lynch goes. I guess it could be an attempt to detract? But it doesn't come across as one to me. It's mostly just confusing because of that comment on clc having good content and then making him your strongest scumread for filler that I don't recall a ton of at the moment. Bored: Given that this is a multi ball theme, what are your thoughts on Bored being werewolf or Lyncher? Also I can't quote it here but I think Bored had a problem with the lack of reasoning in ODM's scumread as opposed to the read itself. That said, I'm more confident in ODM and Bored not being partners now, as it implies Bored's reaction to ODM was to bus, and unlike Hawkie (maybe) I don't see Bored doing that day 1 with the reasoning he gave. Hawkie: Summed up in one sentence, the problem I have with Hawkie is that there are occasional things that kind of just get ignored or brushed aside when someone brings them up (my initial comment on my pressure vote early d1 comes to mind). This is another case where I wouldn't mind examples of the posts you like, as I find it odd that you have him as your strongest townread while throwing in a "well most of them" when describing the posts you like. The last sentence is imo NAI-someone being good at getting their points across doesn't mean anything as far as alignment goes, and neither does the size of one's posts tbh (as opposed to content). Toni-Every thing you say here feels like it's leading up to a scumread (with the exception of your "but I tr Hawkie") and then...you're neutral? Xnad-The flip from lynching him yesterday to leaning town on him today stands out of course. You mention that you like the current content he's posting when he's not really posted much new content since your d1 vote on him. What changed your mind on him so quickly? Zest: I have no disagreements or questions about the things here. ZestOfLife This is a good a time as any to notify him if he doesn't actually need a sub. Champ: I've given basically all my thoughts on Champ at this point. I'll clarify one thing from your read though: it's Champ who's pro-player-meta and me who's against it because of how malleable and unreliable it is for anything but a weak gutread. While I'm on the subject, Champ brought up meta being used on Circus, to which I say (1) this isn't Circus and (2) even Circus doesn't (usually) pursue a lynch based on meta, so I still don't see your point with this. It's like saying, "People in this country have this custom, so everyone must do it." I'm to tired to think of a specific custom shh. Rad: Same question as mentioned on a couple of other reads, can you give some examples of the posts you like? I'm entering that stage where I feel a need to be doing something. I'll probably be on for a while, as I'm debating moving my lynch to Toni but really don't want to without seeing more content from him and/or Xnad. |
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Post by Fenrir on Aug 1, 2017 7:05:54 GMT
I left my thoughts on cseel's Toni read incomplete. The question I'm getting at: Is your townread of Hawkie really so strong that it influences your read on Toni?
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Post by Bomb Moss on Aug 1, 2017 7:59:40 GMT
I can see about 93743 (3) things wrong with your reasoning on me, including incriminating me because of RAD's actions, having most of the other reads as "they won't be so scummy as town/they won't be so towny as scum" i.e saying in right in the middle is scummy, which just reeks of shit to me. Oh and using my noncommittal No Lynch thing against me, when I already clearly stated I would be getting off once there's a reason to (someone being scummy)
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Post by Bomb Moss on Aug 1, 2017 8:01:49 GMT
Please dont use G31 as a assesment of me, I played so bad there I want to KMS
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2017 8:18:21 GMT
Someone please, PLEASE teach me how to multi-quote/look at someone's ISO cause I can't do much since I don't know how to. Plus if you’re wondering why I took so long, it’s cause it’s hard to look through posts.
Pre-emptive Edit: I found out how to look at ISO so this should be easier.Well, since there isn't much that I can do (I blame weird forum), I'm going to post my reads as of this time (From order in PL). (Also, doing this from memory since looking for specific posts is too hard u_u)Fenrir - All his posts have great content and progresses town in a good direction, without him I don’t think we would be in a good spot right now. Imo he’s the town leader of this game, but then I don’t trust town leaders that much (I’m aware of my bias) so yeah. He adds good things into discussion and overall, just all his posts give me a town vibe. TownIronic Ninja - First off, a lot of his posts are just pure filler (mostly the ones with 1 line) or just filler responses to posts taking up a lot of space, a majority of them also are like “I agree with x” and saying like “I agree with x’s scumreads” and etc. I don’t like how in many of his more recent posts, he said he wanted everyone else who is “fucking afk start fucking playing or im lynching you i dont care”. Imo, this is trying to gain towncred by getting people to speak + the aggressiveness screams scum to me, but at least in his longer posts, he at leasts has good content. Also, I didn’t really like how he said he “exposed” Hawkie with the message. It seemed like an outside message that didn’t really matter and he made 2 posts on it asking Hawkie about it. (Cough, this is NOC not OC.) Alright. So overall, imo, he’s trying to provide side thoughts/commentary so idk about him. I just have a big gut read on him, so right now he’s my biggest scumread. So I will pressure him with Vote Daddy CosbyBroken Jukebox - He only made one content-filled post and when he lynched ODM (bwing) he said “This isn't omgus, it's because he says i'm scum”. Um.. isn’t that the point of OMGUS? “I’m not lynching him because he’s lynching me, but because he scumreads me!” Basically the same. He is a pretty aggressive defender, and after defending himself he goes on to OMGUS so idk. He was saying that the “war” between Fenrir and Hawkie was “needless”, which I disagree with, since all discussion that isn’t filler is useful. It also helps with interactions, but otherwise, he tunnelled ODM quite hard, and I doubt he would buss that hard. I would like to see him post more before I make a read on him. NeutralHawkie - At the beginning of the game, he started with a good RVS that lead to who he lynched OMGUSing him which was a good RVS imo. He hasn’t done anything that would scream scum to me. His posts (well majority of them), bring good discussion/contributions/thoughts to the game, and they just mainly scream town to me. Although, he hasn’t made the biggest posts, he still gets his points through well. My biggest townreadToni - Firstly, Toni’s first post in game was “First, Hallie check your pms”. Toni, could you explain this? ‘Cause it might be like, “Oh, I’m scum with you, did you know?” But, I find this unlikely since I townread Hawkie. They haven’t really made any towny posts that stand out to me, most of them are either parroting or filler. P LEASE, PLEASE post more. Neutral for now.XnadrojX - I like his posts. Direct, useful and easy to read. The only thing I dislike is his filler posts that are like “I gotta go, I have x”, “I’m going to be active in x minutes” etc, but besides that his posts are direct and gets the message through. I wish that his posts were a bit longer with more content, but the current content he is posting is quite good. But as I said before, “Okay, so I read through everything (btw, is there a way to look through a person's ISO?), I don't really have much time to post something, but I'm just going to say that I think xnad is just trying to go with the majority (further proven by him "not needing" to explain his TR on Fenrir) and I just seem to find a lack of effort in his posts. He only responded to the "most notable objective issues" (on Page 12, idk how to multi-quote), and this to me means "Oh, I don't want to explain x or y." and then he said he might respond to "more subjective issues" later, but he didn't? Imo, you should respond to everything. As, I have to go now, I will Vote uberdogedevourer. I will be able to post more in about 12 hours” So yeah. Right now he’s, leaning town.Zest - Still quite annoyed about his one-post and leave.. Not sure if he was just trying to just make people think he was town due to his short read list or just he's forgotten about this game/wants to be subbed out. I like that at least he went through a bit of effort to explain some of his reads/respond to things that he had been accused of at that time. The thing is, most of his reads were just commentary on what each person had done imo and providing commentary on things people have done doesn't really need effort and is an easy way to blend in with town. Overall, he is quite scummy in my eyes at this moment which is why he is placed as Scum. A post from Zest is still really appreciated u_u *cough* Zest cseel - I don't know about you guys, but this "cseel" person seems like a great player and is obviously town.Champ - Firstly, PLEASE BE MORE ACTIVE. I know this is hypocrisy since I hadn’t been active, but yea. I’m not the only one. As most people, probably a little under half of his posts are filler. But, I want to ask Champ why “we shouldn’t be player metaing?” I would also like you to post your reads and response now that ODM flipped Mafia. Besides the ODM x Fenrir post and the “I shouldn’t be player metaing” post, other ones are either filler or hard to read. This is only 2 posts. I would like to see more posts Champ u_u. Their reasoning for the ODM x Fenrir was decent, but most of the points could apply to other people as well. For now he’s leaning scum. This may change whether he decides to post or not.RADicate - tfw lynched fenrir twice in first two posts He said he doesn’t want to be active, but “he would try to pick it up” and I like afterwards how he picked up his activity and made good posts (good, meaning content filled that was useful), but imo he could’ve said he didn’t want to be active then to be active to gain town cred. Right now, he’s neutral, leaning town.I hope this was worth waiting for.. Me: This feels eerily similar to your "initial" (read: shifted read that defined you) read on me in anon. I'm not quite sure what this indicates, but the lack of examples of "good things" and posts that give you a "town vibe" make me wary (in contrast with anon where you pointed out examples of the things that made you wary of me). Clc: Looking back a few pages, I don't see a ton of posts from him recently but I also don't recall a significant amount of filler. You mention appreciating that he has good content yet he's still your top scumread, which seems odd. There's also your comment on aggression screaming scum, which imo is more of a playstyle thing. It seems odd for scum!cseel to pursue this push unless they're the Lyncher, but other than this read there's VERY little else as far as pushing for a clc lynch goes. I guess it could be an attempt to detract? But it doesn't come across as one to me. It's mostly just confusing because of that comment on clc having good content and then making him your strongest scumread for filler that I don't recall a ton of at the moment. Bored: Given that this is a multi ball theme, what are your thoughts on Bored being werewolf or Lyncher? Also I can't quote it here but I think Bored had a problem with the lack of reasoning in ODM's scumread as opposed to the read itself. That said, I'm more confident in ODM and Bored not being partners now, as it implies Bored's reaction to ODM was to bus, and unlike Hawkie (maybe) I don't see Bored doing that day 1 with the reasoning he gave. Hawkie: Summed up in one sentence, the problem I have with Hawkie is that there are occasional things that kind of just get ignored or brushed aside when someone brings them up (my initial comment on my pressure vote early d1 comes to mind). This is another case where I wouldn't mind examples of the posts you like, as I find it odd that you have him as your strongest townread while throwing in a "well most of them" when describing the posts you like. The last sentence is imo NAI-someone being good at getting their points across doesn't mean anything as far as alignment goes, and neither does the size of one's posts tbh (as opposed to content). Toni-Every thing you say here feels like it's leading up to a scumread (with the exception of your "but I tr Hawkie") and then...you're neutral? Xnad-The flip from lynching him yesterday to leaning town on him today stands out of course. You mention that you like the current content he's posting when he's not really posted much new content since your d1 vote on him. What changed your mind on him so quickly? Zest: I have no disagreements or questions about the things here. ZestOfLife This is a good a time as any to notify him if he doesn't actually need a sub. Champ: I've given basically all my thoughts on Champ at this point. I'll clarify one thing from your read though: it's Champ who's pro-player-meta and me who's against it because of how malleable and unreliable it is for anything but a weak gutread. While I'm on the subject, Champ brought up meta being used on Circus, to which I say (1) this isn't Circus and (2) even Circus doesn't (usually) pursue a lynch based on meta, so I still don't see your point with this. It's like saying, "People in this country have this custom, so everyone must do it." I'm to tired to think of a specific custom shh. Rad: Same question as mentioned on a couple of other reads, can you give some examples of the posts you like? I'm entering that stage where I feel a need to be doing something. I'll probably be on for a while, as I'm debating moving my lynch to Toni but really don't want to without seeing more content from him and/or Xnad. My read on you is similar because I was town in anon and here  Here, I'll give you some examples of some of your towny posts, ifsomeonecouldtellmehowtomulti-quotesmh. I'll just list them: (some of them that I can't list all of them is that Fenrir nearly responds to everything ((if not everything)), he looks from all points of views/all the possibilities.) For "looking at all the possibilities": "There's no Jester in this. Ani is almost "too scummy to be scum" as people call it, but I get Anon Game 29 PTSD any time I see that phrase." For "progressing town" and being observant, "Um...this, however, feels like a slip. "If I was town." :?: Assuming that "Have a nice rest of the game" doesn't mean "Seeya I'm not posting anymore," can you come back to explain this?" For "progressing town", "I'm entering that stage where I feel a need to be doing something. I'll probably be on for a while, as I'm debating moving my lynch to Toni but really don't want to without seeing more content from him and/or Xnad." This shows that Fenrir is willing and wanting to help town more/move town in a good direction. Clc read - I remember/saw quite a lot of filler and it was a big amount + only some of the remaining posts had good contents. Mostly a "gut" read, tbh.Bored: As for many other of my reads, it's hard to give thoughts on them being x or y (in this case, Werewolf or Lyncher) since he lacks posts/interactions so right now, i can't give much thought on it. Toni: I'm just waiting for more posts u_u. Although, if he is scum with Hawkie, he would have to be Werewolf, tbh, but it's neutral since lack of interactions with other players/me town reading Hawkie (only possible partner, for now.) As of right now, I have to go, I will be back in around 30 minutes. |
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Post by Bomb Moss on Aug 1, 2017 8:47:14 GMT
OK POST TIME HYYYYYYPE: 1- Hawkie. Rule #1 about Hawkie. If he gets defensive and starts complaining about how he 'shouldn't have joined' and 'doesn't have time', he's scum. Most probably with a scumpartner he doesn't want to be with(Sorry dude). Hence my awesome lynch. 2-Fenrir. Fenrir is Fenrir. He'll talk and contribute whether he's town or scum. Fenrir just puts so much effort into a game that you feel bad for lynching him when he's trying so hard. I think he is town but nothing's for sure yet. ALSO FENRIR WTF ARE YOU ACTUALLY DOUBTING MY TRUTHINESS OF DELIVERING A READ POST? SHAAAAAAME ON YOU. 3-Xnadrojx. Town read. If Xnadroj is being stupid(aka Xnadroj), and coming up with stupid plans he's town. When he tries to play a legit mafia game without making mistakes, he's scum. 4-Ironic Ninja. All of his posts include some sort of filler. Literally check any of his posts and you will find something not related to the game. ' This is what happens when you have trolls --- they flip town and your like fuck what did we get with that. And then when they sometimes flip scum we are like how did we let them live' What the fuck is that? That makes no sense and seems likea lame attempt at hiding your true feelings for a townie being lynched. 5-Toni is just being toni I guess. Barely showing up. Barely making any effort. 6-RADicate. RAD points out some good stuff and that's something I like. He pointed out xnad being scummy, and also single handedly destroyed the HYPO stuff. Thank you for not letting scum find out who the cop is RAD. Townlock for me(Unless lyncher). So RAD please don't leave. 7-animallover77. I like your style. I for one will not be lynching you. (I know he's dead relax ffs and stop scumreading my trolling for once okay?) 8-Champ. I don't like the lazy approach of 'you want something out of me, tag me and I'll answer', how about talking about who YOU think is scum? 9-Bored. Bored is scum. No discussion there. 10-ZoL-Bad read list, no content, but everyone wants you lynched so you're probably town. One thing you people fail to notice though, if >3 people agree to lynch someone, that means that someone is most likely town. So if ever you see that a lot of people agree on a lynch, I would honestly just clear that person as town, just like what happened with animallover So for now I would say the Werewolves are Hawkie and someone Hawkie is annoyed being partnered with, maybe Toni? Mafia are Ironic, Bored and Champ And lyncher is maybe Zest or Fenrir? Idk I have no solid reads on lyncher at this point. I'm also surprised not enough people pressured me into talking more. I would have lynched me at this point to be honest. Any questions are welcome. So there's a lot on Day 1 that I basically gave all my thoughts already and my brief stint of computer time is gone so I'm going to move to the usual reason I read back and look at interactions with flipped scum/town. Ani has next to none, so I'm focusing on ODM right now. I also want to reread Champ and Hawkie if I get the chance and respond to cseel. Hawkie: Unlkiely to be partnered with ODM. While it's possible that Hawkie bussed, it would be utterly needless given the time he voted. No wifom present even, it would just be a stupid move. There's also the fact hat ODM was actually pushing for a Hawkie lynch before he entered wifom valley. The read here is a meta read, and I've given my thoughts on those. Werewolf and Lyncher Hawkie are still possible (I'm debating if Hawkie is someone who would opt to not send a kill or was inactive and didn't send). Fenrir: Oh hey, that's me. Someone else can analyze if they want, but the meta read to me looks like an attempt to give "original reasons" for sheeting a general townreads on me from everyone but Champ and Hawkie. He also took the wifom to exponential levels once he was about to be lynched, which as Hawkie said would be a suicidal move to make with a partner. Xnad: Another meta read, and here's where it gets interesting. Anyone involved in or reading Sinnoh Mafia is probably aware that Xnad made a "plan" and ODM scumread him for it, so this is a distinct contradiction. Especially because Xnad's only "plan" this game has been a suggestion on NL, which he didn't follow through on. Clc: Probably not partnered with ODM unless ODM decided to start distancing early, but even then the read is based on flawed logic (clc having filler in some of his posts). It comes across as trying to detract from someone who was at the time widely townread (detract being a better word than discredit, this caused a day-long discussion about Hawkie in anon and Hawkie wasn't even there so let me clarify: mafia has no nightkill and thus in my opinion will try to make Townie players look worse to prevent people trim building overwhelmingly large townblocs). Toni: Is this null or a scumread? To me it feels like hedging based on meta and makes Toni another possible partner. Rad: Minor hedging ("unless lyncher") comment but i doubt they're partnered with each other; I can't see scum putting a partner as a town lock this early on, especially when that player's not stand-out Townie. He mentions liking that Rad pointed out some scummy things about Xnad, but apparently finds Xnad town still and never comments on Rad's points themselves, which incriminates Xnad more. Champ: Basically sheeps the general sentiment here, but there's no read. Bored: I almost want to lynch Bored just to get this bit of wifom out of the way, but at the same time it's basically wifom and frankly I want to see content in some form from Bored today before lynching him. There's also the fact that ODM didn't have reason to start wifoming at this point imo. Zest: The problem with this had been discussed and it makes Zest a very likely partner; almost too obvious but it still stands out. I think it's more likely an attempt to pocket, which would make Zest still possibly a werewolf (would work as he's still been inactive) or Lyncher (target being ) Based on this, I will lynch uberdogedevourer, who both has scummy content of his own and scummy connections to flipped scum. YES I HAVE TIME. re: Hawkie: same here, although Werewolf is very possible in my eyes, as his lurking while people normally TR him for no reason doesn't sit well with me. re: CLC: I provided my thoughts on this is my last post, and they remain the same. re: Me: OK so this is the slot I have a lot of issue with. So your main reasons for read on me is: Scummy Content, which is basically me not staying committed to my NL plan, which I already made clear I will not be committed to. I'd prefer you give more specific examples since I can't defend otherwise. Scummy Connections: Which is based off ODM's lack of SRing me for the NL plan, which I honestly feel is more of ODM's status as Mafia rather than my status of Mafia Scum Partners. RAD's read of me also has no bearing on my alignment. It's like saying "You are townread therefore you are scum". I would like more specific examples/in depth explanations. re: Toni: "IDK what to read of him" seems normal here, but the attempt to shake them up in a later post makes Fenrir better than the rest. re: RAD: "Townreading scum buddy is scummy, so he wouldn't do it" "He townreads Xnad for X, Xnad must be scum" feels wayyyyyyyyyyyy off. That said I do TR RAD for having unique posting content and in general throwing out ideas, which helps town. re: Champ: ...Nothing to say here re: Bored: Where's the WIFOM? re: Zest: The elaboration on here but not on Champ when both is clearly very scummy irks me, but otherwise I agree mostly, except with the part where the pocketing was the only reason he would have done so, especially when Mafia buddies is a very real possibility I refuse to accept "Too obvious" as a way to explain that off. |
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Post by Bomb Moss on Aug 1, 2017 8:54:24 GMT
CLC didn't really have a lot of filler, his posts usually go like this:
Fillery bit
Content
Fillery bit.
Which is actually far more content than you guys have posted
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2017 9:06:13 GMT
oh my god. this is sad. I'll elaborate later, Xnad please read my last post again and I hope..
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Post by Fenrir on Aug 1, 2017 10:33:17 GMT
I can see about 93743 (3) things wrong with your reasoning on me, including incriminating me because of RAD's actions, having most of the other reads as "they won't be so scummy as town/they won't be so towny as scum" i.e saying in right in the middle is scummy, which just reeks of shit to me. Oh and using my noncommittal No Lynch thing against me, when I already clearly stated I would be getting off once there's a reason to (someone being scummy) It's less so because of Rad's actions and notes or because of a contradiction in ODM's where he mentioned townreading you but made no effort to defend that townread and going so far as to include someone Scum reading you as part of another townread. It's not really a matter of Rad being the one to bring it so much as it is a matter of ODM's response. I don't see what you're referring to with the second point, but that list specifically was mainly an analysis of who was more of less likely to be partnered with ODM (and thus mafia specifically), so that may be factoring in. The problem I had with the No Lynch thing is more like "Why suggest it at all if you were going to be lynching someone anyway?" as well as the fact that ODM townread you for it despite how quickly it was abandoned. You mentioned NL being mathmatically the best choice, which to me implied that you'd at some point bring it up/advocate for it again, but that never happened. (The G31 comment by the way is pretty much only because I couldn't reach you on PS [smh accept PMs].) |
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Post by Fenrir on Aug 1, 2017 10:35:56 GMT
I'm low on battery, but a response to cseel and Xnad's other post is incoming when I return. (AKA as n, I'm not just ignoring these posts)
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Post by Fenrir on Aug 1, 2017 11:21:20 GMT
I am back.
Xnad, if I am understanding correctly, the problem you have with my comment on you is that it's based on ODM's comments on you but not the other way around. I don't deny this to be the case, and I think that given the general lack of interactions people had with ODM at all it's necessary to at least look at the readlist he gave when he didn't know he was about to be lynched. As far as interactions the other way go, there is still my comment earlier today (D2, not irl today) about the timing/reason for your vote being strange.
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Post by Fenrir on Aug 1, 2017 11:42:48 GMT
Response to cseel's post; not quoting for the sake of condensing walls.
There should be a gear symbol in the top right corner of each post. Click that and "select post" for the posts you want to multiquote, then click "Reply."
I'm not how the third post you quote indicates progressing town (it's basically me being in the cusp of tryharding my post count) but thank you for the quotes. (You mentioned being back later so I'm assuming you were planning on showing quotes for the other posts then).
Re: Bored and other reads, I wasn't really asking about a differentiation between who'd be werewolf or Lyncher, but more if you were considering the theme being multiball (as it seemed that part of why you were neutral on Bored was that you ruled out bussing on his part).
Re: Clc, Xnad's summary of the filler:content ratio seems accurate to me. Another question your response creates for me is why is your strongest read/the lynch you're pursuing based on a gutread, especially when it's D2 and both clc and a number of other people have enough content to form a more solid read on?
Re: Toni's only possible partner being Hawkie, is this based on a PoE or Toni's "check PMs" comment to Hawkie early on?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2017 11:45:21 GMT
...clearly no one's catching my soft.
SINCE YOU GUYS CANT GET MY SOFT, I AM THE COP AND I GOT CLC AS MAFIA. I THOUGHT I COULD DO THIS WITHOUT CLAIMING U_U (I realise it's just because I'm bad, I just needed to get this out u_u)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2017 11:46:01 GMT
I said gut in quotations for a reason u_u also the italic'd messages outlining my soft u_u
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2017 11:58:51 GMT
Response to cseel's post; not quoting for the sake of condensing walls. There should be a gear symbol in the top right corner of each post. Click that and "select post" for the posts you want to multiquote, then click "Reply." I'm not how the third post you quote indicates progressing town (it's basically me being in the cusp of tryharding my post count) but thank you for the quotes. (You mentioned being back later so I'm assuming you were planning on showing quotes for the other posts then). Re: Bored and other reads, I wasn't really asking about a differentiation between who'd be werewolf or Lyncher, but more if you were considering the theme being multiball (as it seemed that part of why you were neutral on Bored was that you ruled out bussing on his part). Re: Clc, Xnad's summary of the filler:content ratio seems accurate to me. Another question your response creates for me is why is your strongest read/the lynch you're pursuing based on a gutread, especially when it's D2 and both clc and a number of other people have enough content to form a more solid read on? Re: Toni's only possible partner being Hawkie, is this based on a PoE or Toni's "check PMs" comment to Hawkie early on? 1. Thanks for teaching me how to multi-quote  2. not sure what multiball is 3. Said "gut" read in quotations to try and soft u_u. ~~his signature is now really ironic~~ 4. I'm aware Toni could still be with anyone, but imo the only more likely person would be Hawkie, since he has only interacted with Hawkie and not anyone else. As I said, lack of posts and interactions so can't say much else. |
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Post by Fenrir on Aug 1, 2017 12:10:32 GMT
Response to Xnad's post. I'm confused on a number of things, so rip. No clue what I did with formatting, but now this first section is trapped in a box. Fun. Re: Clc: Unless I'm missing something your last thoughts on this were Daddy Cosby/Ironic: Town, been actively contributing and providing an alternative viewpoint other than Fenrir's So I wouldn't mind if you could go into more detail with this. Re: You: I explained this above. Re: Toni: I'm not sure what you're referring to with "the attempt to shake them up in a later post makes Fenrir better than the rest," as I was commending on ODM's (lack of a) read on Toni. Re: Bored: The wifom is in the fact that ODM's read on him is literally just "Bored is scum," which significantly contrasts with his other reads due to the lack of detail and Bored's lack of posts thus far. Re: Zest: I don't think the pocketing is the only possible reason, but I do think it's the most likely. I have trouble seeing scum say to their partner, "Welp, everyone wants you lynched so you're probably town," because of the suspicion that would instantly come upon on in the event the other flipped. Also, I've mentioned my problems with Champ in a number of other places, so in that post I was focusing only on relationship with ODM. |
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Post by Fenrir on Aug 1, 2017 12:14:16 GMT
...clearly no one's catching my soft. SINCE YOU GUYS CANT GET MY SOFT, I AM THE COP AND I GOT CLC AS MAFIA. I THOUGHT I COULD DO THIS WITHOUT CLAIMING U_U (I realise it's just because I'm bad, I just needed to get this out u_u)  I can't catch softs >_< I'm going to turbo a reread to wager the odds of Lyncher vs Cop cseel now. Multiball is any theme with multiple scum factions. |
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