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Post by Fenrir on Aug 1, 2017 12:26:15 GMT
Cseel, any particular reason for choosing Clc to inspect?
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Post by Bomb Moss on Aug 1, 2017 12:28:42 GMT
Response to Xnad's post. I'm confused on a number of things, so rip. No clue what I did with formatting, but now this first section is trapped in a box. Fun. Re: Clc: Unless I'm missing something your last thoughts on this were Daddy Cosby/Ironic: Town, been actively contributing and providing an alternative viewpoint other than Fenrir's So I wouldn't mind if you could go into more detail with this. Re: You: I explained this above. I don't believe you did. Last I checked was "Scummy Content + Scummy Relations", which was incredibly unspecific. Lynch Ironic |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2017 12:29:52 GMT
Cseel, any particular reason for choosing Clc to inspect? Mostly just the filler in his posts + the other reasons listed in my read on him. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2017 12:47:50 GMT
I didn't want to inspect someone that was too scummy or too towny (well towny or scummy in my opinion) because I didn't know whether WWs were gonna kill the scummy ones or the towny ones.
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Post by Fenrir on Aug 1, 2017 13:06:31 GMT
I am back. Xnad, if I am understanding correctly, the problem you have with my comment on you is that it's based on ODM's comments on you but not the other way around. I don't deny this to be the case, and I think that given the general lack of interactions people had with ODM at all it's necessary to at least look at the readlist he gave when he didn't know he was about to be lynched. As far as interactions the other way go, there is still my comment earlier today (D2, not irl today) about the timing/reason for your vote being strange. There was this. I'm 99% sure I made another post as well about your content, but I guess not (I don't see it reading back). It was basically compiling the issues I had with the read on you: -Primarily being defensive despite telling others that it's not hard to give reads and praising others for their analysis. -The lack of defending the NL plan very much once people mentioned disagreeing, because even if you did later plan to lynch someone it opens up the question of "Why suggest NL to begin with?" -Your initial reads only being on four people and not very explained, possibly because they sheep the general consensus at the time. -Read from ODM being a townread based on meta/the above mentioned plan despite the lack of commitment to it; ODM later in his readlist saying that he liked Rad pointing out you being scummy (as opposed to defending his townread). -Your vote for ODM looking like a last minute bus or attempt to solidify the lynch (mentioned this in more detail earlier, I'd need to back and find the post where I did so). |
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Post by Fenrir on Aug 1, 2017 13:19:55 GMT
Unvote uberdogedevourer, vote Daddy Cosby
Right now I believe cseel to be the actual cop (their reasoning for the inspect factors into this significantly). I wish there was more of cseel from D1 to analyze, but I think that while Day 2 is a common day for Lynchers to start their push, cseel would feel compelled to start in the second half of Day 2 or even day 3, using Day 2 to set up the way most would Day 1 (which cseel missed).
Another thing about Xnad now rubbing me the wrong way lack of considering the potential for cseel to be Lyncher. I have to go offline now, hoping to do more when I return.
I think that's clc at L-3, so I'll just reiterate for people that we still have a day and a half to discuss, AKA no need to hammer at the first chance we get since the lynch is decided by plurality.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2017 14:11:01 GMT
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Post by clc ironic on Aug 1, 2017 16:16:13 GMT
Sorry, got caught up with irl stuff so didn't post after day 1.
Noticed some things...people are saying I'm literally just fillering...if you read, I actually post CONTENT (pls) and the only reason I filler is because this game clearly cannot start and move on without doing so...I guess I'm just heavily misinterpreted.
I also noticed that some person CLAIMED COP AND GOT MAFIA on me? I can only think of two options; A. He is VT pressuring me with a fakecop claim (really bro) or B. He is Lyncher trying to win d2 (also really bro)...
Of course I think B because if he really were pressuring me he wouldn't push this hard...which makes it clear (in my mind, maybe not yours -_-) he's lyncher.
And there's the whole argument "oh he softed" GUYS LYNCHER CAN EASILY SOFT AND WIN YOU REALIZE THAT like I don't see why softing makes someone all the more Cop. If a lyncher is set out to do what he wants and that is to claim Cop and win, realize that he will put himself in the shoes of a Cop and soft lol
Idk if I wanna get rid of the Lyncher first or other scum, but if the Lyncher is going to continue to try and win already then
Vote chatterseel
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Post by clc ironic on Aug 1, 2017 16:21:49 GMT
Unvote uberdogedevourer, vote Daddy CosbyRight now I believe cseel to be the actual cop (their reasoning for the inspect factors into this significantly). I wish there was more of cseel from D1 to analyze, but I think that while Day 2 is a common day for Lynchers to start their push, cseel would feel compelled to start in the second half of Day 2 or even day 3, using Day 2 to set up the way most would Day 1 (which cseel missed). Another thing about Xnad now rubbing me the wrong way lack of considering the potential for cseel to be Lyncher. I have to go offline now, hoping to do more when I return. I think that's clc at L-3, so I'll just reiterate for people that we still have a day and a half to discuss, AKA no need to hammer at the first chance we get since the lynch is decided by plurality. >Filler + other reasons = why you think chatterseel's Cop claim is legit Please, if I was Lyncher I could push anyone with absolute BS (bored toni champ) and be like "Oh well for this reason I say he is scum and I inspected him. Now please lynch him so I can win. Weren't you reading him as scum before for [same reason]?" Yeah so the reasons are pretty BS = chatterseel is lyncher gg |
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Post by Fenrir on Aug 1, 2017 19:02:47 GMT
If you think she's Lyncher, there's imo nothing stopping you from looking for things to prove she's Lyncher. Things aside from, "Well from MY perspective..." because unfortunately we don't all see the game from your perspective.
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Post by VigilanteVigoroth on Aug 1, 2017 19:09:30 GMT
Votecount day 2.0Daddy Cosby/Ironicninja (3) @chatterseel Bomb Moss Fenrir Shanice the unicorn/Tonithesadthing (1) Hawkie Swallala/Chatterseel (1) clc ironic Kind Kangaroo Killer/Zestoflife (0) Queen Erotica/Champ1604 (0) Snakemaster69/Hawkie (0) No lynch (0)Fenrir (0)Uberdogedriver/XnadrojX (0)Bored6886 (0)The Great Gatsby/RADicate (0)
Not Voting (5) ZestOfLife Crespo Champ1604 RADicate BoredGames Deadline is in 26 hours and 52 minutes at 11pm BST on the 2nd of AugustIf deadline was now, IronicNinja would be lynched
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Post by Fenrir on Aug 1, 2017 21:34:05 GMT
Another thing about Xnad now rubbing me the wrong way lack of considering the potential for cseel to be Lyncher. I have to go offline now, hoping to do more when I return. So basically, the problem I have with it is how quickly he accepts cseel being cop as opposed to possible Lyncher. I'm thinking of what his thought process would be as each alignment and come up with: Lyncher: "Well obviously if I'm Lyncher cseel can't be, I can follow this for some towncred." Werewolf: "Lyncher or cop, cseel just gave an easy way to get a lynch on someone not from my faction." Mafia: (If clc is also mafia) "Well crap, time to bus for that towncred." (If clc isn't mafia) "May as well sheep the Lyncher, a mislynch is a mislynch." Town:  Basically, I don't see why Xnad didn't question whether cseel was really cop because I'm having trouble finding a town motivation for him to sheep the lynch so quickly. Xnad, can you explain please? |
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Post by clc ironic on Aug 1, 2017 22:57:42 GMT
Another thing about Xnad now rubbing me the wrong way lack of considering the potential for cseel to be Lyncher. I have to go offline now, hoping to do more when I return. So basically, the problem I have with it is how quickly he accepts cseel being cop as opposed to possible Lyncher. I'm thinking of what his thought process would be as each alignment and come up with: Lyncher: "Well obviously if I'm Lyncher cseel can't be, I can follow this for some towncred." Werewolf: "Lyncher or cop, cseel just gave an easy way to get a lynch on someone not from my faction." Mafia: (If clc is also mafia) "Well crap, time to bus for that towncred." (If clc isn't mafia) "May as well sheep the Lyncher, a mislynch is a mislynch." Town: Basically, I don't see why Xnad didn't question whether cseel was really cop because I'm having trouble finding a town motivation for him to sheep the lynch so quickly. Xnad, can you explain please? Um doesn't lyncher literally just win the game over everyone else Hopefully it doesn't then at least I can still win with townies once I get lynched (which seems like its inevitable -_-) If not, I'm warning you kiddos |
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Post by clc ironic on Aug 1, 2017 23:03:23 GMT
Also idk if this makes you think im town/if you think this is wifom but ODM said I was mafia (he was mafia) for literally the exact same reasons chatterseel is stating...quite an easy push if you just sheep someone else's attempt of a failed push
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2017 23:41:49 GMT
Someone please, PLEASE teach me how to multi-quote/look at someone's ISO cause I can't do much since I don't know how to. Plus if you’re wondering why I took so long, it’s cause it’s hard to look through posts.
Pre-emptive Edit: I found out how to look at ISO so this should be easier.Well, since there isn't much that I can do (I blame weird forum), I'm going to post my reads as of this time (From order in PL). (Also, doing this from memory since looking for specific posts is too hard u_u)Fenrir - All his posts have great content and progresses town in a good direction, without him I don’t think we would be in a good spot right now. Imo he’s the town leader of this game, but then I don’t trust town leaders that much (I’m aware of my bias) so yeah. He adds good things into discussion and overall, just all his posts give me a town vibe. TownIronic Ninja - First off, a lot of his posts are just pure filler (mostly the ones with 1 line) or just filler responses to posts taking up a lot of space, a majority of them also are like “I agree with x” and saying like “I agree with x’s scumreads” and etc. I don’t like how in many of his more recent posts, he said he wanted everyone else who is “fucking afk start fucking playing or im lynching you i dont care”. Imo, this is trying to gain towncred by getting people to speak + the aggressiveness screams scum to me, but at least in his longer posts, he at leasts has good content. Also, I didn’t really like how he said he “exposed” Hawkie with the message. It seemed like an outside message that didn’t really matter and he made 2 posts on it asking Hawkie about it. (Cough, this is NOC not OC.) Alright. So overall, imo, he’s trying to provide side thoughts/commentary so idk about him. I just have a big gut read on him, so right now he’s my biggest scumread. So I will pressure him with Vote Daddy CosbyBroken Jukebox - He only made one content-filled post and when he lynched ODM (bwing) he said “This isn't omgus, it's because he says i'm scum”. Um.. isn’t that the point of OMGUS? “I’m not lynching him because he’s lynching me, but because he scumreads me!” Basically the same. He is a pretty aggressive defender, and after defending himself he goes on to OMGUS so idk. He was saying that the “war” between Fenrir and Hawkie was “needless”, which I disagree with, since all discussion that isn’t filler is useful. It also helps with interactions, but otherwise, he tunnelled ODM quite hard, and I doubt he would buss that hard. I would like to see him post more before I make a read on him. NeutralHawkie - At the beginning of the game, he started with a good RVS that lead to who he lynched OMGUSing him which was a good RVS imo. He hasn’t done anything that would scream scum to me. His posts (well majority of them), bring good discussion/contributions/thoughts to the game, and they just mainly scream town to me. Although, he hasn’t made the biggest posts, he still gets his points through well. My biggest townreadToni - Firstly, Toni’s first post in game was “First, Hallie check your pms”. Toni, could you explain this? ‘Cause it might be like, “Oh, I’m scum with you, did you know?” But, I find this unlikely since I townread Hawkie. They haven’t really made any towny posts that stand out to me, most of them are either parroting or filler. P LEASE, PLEASE post more. Neutral for now.XnadrojX - I like his posts. Direct, useful and easy to read. The only thing I dislike is his filler posts that are like “I gotta go, I have x”, “I’m going to be active in x minutes” etc, but besides that his posts are direct and gets the message through. I wish that his posts were a bit longer with more content, but the current content he is posting is quite good. But as I said before, “Okay, so I read through everything (btw, is there a way to look through a person's ISO?), I don't really have much time to post something, but I'm just going to say that I think xnad is just trying to go with the majority (further proven by him "not needing" to explain his TR on Fenrir) and I just seem to find a lack of effort in his posts. He only responded to the "most notable objective issues" (on Page 12, idk how to multi-quote), and this to me means "Oh, I don't want to explain x or y." and then he said he might respond to "more subjective issues" later, but he didn't? Imo, you should respond to everything. As, I have to go now, I will Vote uberdogedevourer. I will be able to post more in about 12 hours” So yeah. Right now he’s, leaning town.Zest - Still quite annoyed about his one-post and leave.. Not sure if he was just trying to just make people think he was town due to his short read list or just he's forgotten about this game/wants to be subbed out. I like that at least he went through a bit of effort to explain some of his reads/respond to things that he had been accused of at that time. The thing is, most of his reads were just commentary on what each person had done imo and providing commentary on things people have done doesn't really need effort and is an easy way to blend in with town. Overall, he is quite scummy in my eyes at this moment which is why he is placed as Scum. A post from Zest is still really appreciated u_u *cough* Zest cseel - I don't know about you guys, but this "cseel" person seems like a great player and is obviously town.Champ - Firstly, PLEASE BE MORE ACTIVE. I know this is hypocrisy since I hadn’t been active, but yea. I’m not the only one. As most people, probably a little under half of his posts are filler. But, I want to ask Champ why “we shouldn’t be player metaing?” I would also like you to post your reads and response now that ODM flipped Mafia. Besides the ODM x Fenrir post and the “I shouldn’t be player metaing” post, other ones are either filler or hard to read. This is only 2 posts. I would like to see more posts Champ u_u. Their reasoning for the ODM x Fenrir was decent, but most of the points could apply to other people as well. For now he’s leaning scum. This may change whether he decides to post or not.RADicate - tfw lynched fenrir twice in first two posts He said he doesn’t want to be active, but “he would try to pick it up” and I like afterwards how he picked up his activity and made good posts (good, meaning content filled that was useful), but imo he could’ve said he didn’t want to be active then to be active to gain town cred. Right now, he’s neutral, leaning town.I hope this was worth waiting for.. Me: This feels eerily similar to your "initial" (read: shifted read that defined you) read on me in anon. I'm not quite sure what this indicates, but the lack of examples of "good things" and posts that give you a "town vibe" make me wary (in contrast with anon where you pointed out examples of the things that made you wary of me). Clc: Looking back a few pages, I don't see a ton of posts from him recently but I also don't recall a significant amount of filler. You mention appreciating that he has good content yet he's still your top scumread, which seems odd. There's also your comment on aggression screaming scum, which imo is more of a playstyle thing. It seems odd for scum!cseel to pursue this push unless they're the Lyncher, but other than this read there's VERY little else as far as pushing for a clc lynch goes. I guess it could be an attempt to detract? But it doesn't come across as one to me. It's mostly just confusing because of that comment on clc having good content and then making him your strongest scumread for filler that I don't recall a ton of at the moment. Bored: Given that this is a multi ball theme, what are your thoughts on Bored being werewolf or Lyncher? Also I can't quote it here but I think Bored had a problem with the lack of reasoning in ODM's scumread as opposed to the read itself. That said, I'm more confident in ODM and Bored not being partners now, as it implies Bored's reaction to ODM was to bus, and unlike Hawkie (maybe) I don't see Bored doing that day 1 with the reasoning he gave. Hawkie: Summed up in one sentence, the problem I have with Hawkie is that there are occasional things that kind of just get ignored or brushed aside when someone brings them up (my initial comment on my pressure vote early d1 comes to mind). This is another case where I wouldn't mind examples of the posts you like, as I find it odd that you have him as your strongest townread while throwing in a "well most of them" when describing the posts you like. The last sentence is imo NAI-someone being good at getting their points across doesn't mean anything as far as alignment goes, and neither does the size of one's posts tbh (as opposed to content). Toni-Every thing you say here feels like it's leading up to a scumread (with the exception of your "but I tr Hawkie") and then...you're neutral? Xnad-The flip from lynching him yesterday to leaning town on him today stands out of course. You mention that you like the current content he's posting when he's not really posted much new content since your d1 vote on him. What changed your mind on him so quickly? Zest: I have no disagreements or questions about the things here. ZestOfLife This is a good a time as any to notify him if he doesn't actually need a sub. Champ: I've given basically all my thoughts on Champ at this point. I'll clarify one thing from your read though: it's Champ who's pro-player-meta and me who's against it because of how malleable and unreliable it is for anything but a weak gutread. While I'm on the subject, Champ brought up meta being used on Circus, to which I say (1) this isn't Circus and (2) even Circus doesn't (usually) pursue a lynch based on meta, so I still don't see your point with this. It's like saying, "People in this country have this custom, so everyone must do it." I'm to tired to think of a specific custom shh. Rad: Same question as mentioned on a couple of other reads, can you give some examples of the posts you like? I'm entering that stage where I feel a need to be doing something. I'll probably be on for a while, as I'm debating moving my lynch to Toni but really don't want to without seeing more content from him and/or Xnad. Me: This feels eerily similar to your "initial" (read: shifted read that defined you) read on me in anon. I'm not quite sure what this indicates, but the lack of examples of "good things" and posts that give you a "town vibe" make me wary (in contrast with anon where you pointed out examples of the things that made you wary of me). Clc: Looking back a few pages, I don't see a ton of posts from him recently but I also don't recall a significant amount of filler. You mention appreciating that he has good content yet he's still your top scumread, which seems odd. There's also your comment on aggression screaming scum, which imo is more of a playstyle thing. It seems odd for scum!cseel to pursue this push unless they're the Lyncher, but other than this read there's VERY little else as far as pushing for a clc lynch goes. I guess it could be an attempt to detract? But it doesn't come across as one to me. It's mostly just confusing because of that comment on clc having good content and then making him your strongest scumread for filler that I don't recall a ton of at the moment. Bored: Given that this is a multi ball theme, what are your thoughts on Bored being werewolf or Lyncher? Also I can't quote it here but I think Bored had a problem with the lack of reasoning in ODM's scumread as opposed to the read itself. That said, I'm more confident in ODM and Bored not being partners now, as it implies Bored's reaction to ODM was to bus, and unlike Hawkie (maybe) I don't see Bored doing that day 1 with the reasoning he gave. Hawkie: Summed up in one sentence, the problem I have with Hawkie is that there are occasional things that kind of just get ignored or brushed aside when someone brings them up (my initial comment on my pressure vote early d1 comes to mind). This is another case where I wouldn't mind examples of the posts you like, as I find it odd that you have him as your strongest townread while throwing in a "well most of them" when describing the posts you like. The last sentence is imo NAI-someone being good at getting their points across doesn't mean anything as far as alignment goes, and neither does the size of one's posts tbh (as opposed to content). Toni-Every thing you say here feels like it's leading up to a scumread (with the exception of your "but I tr Hawkie") and then...you're neutral? Xnad-The flip from lynching him yesterday to leaning town on him today stands out of course. You mention that you like the current content he's posting when he's not really posted much new content since your d1 vote on him. What changed your mind on him so quickly? Zest: I have no disagreements or questions about the things here. ZestOfLife This is a good a time as any to notify him if he doesn't actually need a sub. Champ: I've given basically all my thoughts on Champ at this point. I'll clarify one thing from your read though: it's Champ who's pro-player-meta and me who's against it because of how malleable and unreliable it is for anything but a weak gutread. While I'm on the subject, Champ brought up meta being used on Circus, to which I say (1) this isn't Circus and (2) even Circus doesn't (usually) pursue a lynch based on meta, so I still don't see your point with this. It's like saying, "People in this country have this custom, so everyone must do it." I'm to tired to think of a specific custom shh. Rad: Same question as mentioned on a couple of other reads, can you give some examples of the posts you like? I'm entering that stage where I feel a need to be doing something. I'll probably be on for a while, as I'm debating moving my lynch to Toni but really don't want to without seeing more content from him and/or Xnad. My read on you is similar because I was town in anon and here  Here, I'll give you some examples of some of your towny posts, ifsomeonecouldtellmehowtomulti-quotesmh. I'll just list them: (some of them that I can't list all of them is that Fenrir nearly responds to everything ((if not everything)), he looks from all points of views/all the possibilities.) For "looking at all the possibilities": "There's no Jester in this. Ani is almost "too scummy to be scum" as people call it, but I get Anon Game 29 PTSD any time I see that phrase." For "progressing town" and being observant, "Um...this, however, feels like a slip. "If I was town." :?: Assuming that "Have a nice rest of the game" doesn't mean "Seeya I'm not posting anymore," can you come back to explain this?" For "progressing town", "I'm entering that stage where I feel a need to be doing something. I'll probably be on for a while, as I'm debating moving my lynch to Toni but really don't want to without seeing more content from him and/or Xnad." This shows that Fenrir is willing and wanting to help town more/move town in a good direction. Clc read - I remember/saw quite a lot of filler and it was a big amount + only some of the remaining posts had good contents. Mostly a "gut" read, tbh.Bored: As for many other of my reads, it's hard to give thoughts on them being x or y (in this case, Werewolf or Lyncher) since he lacks posts/interactions so right now, i can't give much thought on it. Toni: I'm just waiting for more posts u_u. Although, if he is scum with Hawkie, he would have to be Werewolf, tbh, but it's neutral since lack of interactions with other players/me town reading Hawkie (only possible partner, for now.) As of right now, I have to go, I will be back in around 30 minutes. Fenrir: I'm gonna continue this since I realised I forgot to. For the 3rd quote, the way I interpret it is that Fenrir wants to find some way to help town/progress town, but this could go both ways for town or scum but I don't think scum would say that out loud. But yeah.. apparently I can't quote posts from ISO. "Going backwards, the problem I have with this vote is the reasoning. You mention we're lynching one of Hawkie and ODM today even though Hawkie has one vote just like a couple of other people at this point, with ODM being the one person on Hawkie. What made you conclude that Hawkie was the counterwagon? You didn't really go into detail with what made ODM the scummy player, other than his play style causing more problems than Hawkie's, which isn't indicative of alignment. These things make it seem like you were either bussing or just wanted to solidify the lynch, be it to save someone or just make a potential CFD more difficult." - Shows that Fenrir is continuing to be dedicated (by the "Going backwards"), observant/asking a lot of questions. "Excuse you, I have an amazing life full of...mafia. And stuff. Small thing: Lyncher win doesn't end the game, but the Lyncher does exit upon winning. Clc this answers your question I think Xnad mentioned, but most of my more recent "wallposts" are just quotes with my comments added in bold. If we're comparing to anon still, I still find Ani to be more comparable to Anita than Mirror Serena, as the latter was Vigvig not having much to say/being busy with school while the former was OM trolling and wifoming the entire game to the point where scum only lost due to the other partner sleeping through the 2v1 LyLo deadline (still salty about that and will be to the end of time). Basically, I find it to be more likely to be scum trying to wifom than town doing...something. Since this seems to be a recurring theme already, please explain your reads when you give them or they should be completely disregarded and the person giving them looked at more closely." - Fenrir continues to ask questions and add good things into discussion. I'm pretty sure that Fenrir wanted to brag about this it is now pretty obvious what I mean Xnad: my post on day 1 was mostly just from memory since at that point I didn't know how to look through ISO. I read through his posts in his ISO and yea, I saw the content which made him leaning town. Champ: Yeah, I agree, I don't like that :I. Rad: "Fenrir, you particularly have been a tr i pointed out early, your gamesolving scumhunting and most of your posts in general tbh its not easy to explain it but it feels real if that makes sense, your posts feel natural along with your pushes. As for hawkie, i can grab quotes later (if im still around) but i dont see that as a scumslot either. So the reason i think this is townVtown is less based on the interactions between you two reading that way and more on both of yall's individual merits. <snip> As for champ, im going to iso him and see what i get, i honestly havent honed in on him too hard, the only thing i particularly noted was the ani interactions. Although with my lack of focus on this games its v possible i missed important content regarding that slot. If im still around to make another post, i'll grab the quotes as to why i feel hawkie is town and do some analysis there, and i'll iso champ and see what i find." - Stuff like this of his. He responded to why he thinks Fenrir and Hawkie are both town, he doesn't lynch unless there's good reason (shown by "havent honed in on him too hard"). I had to do this really quickly, sorry if there are mistakes. |
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Post by Champ1604 on Aug 2, 2017 7:23:46 GMT
Another thing about Xnad now rubbing me the wrong way lack of considering the potential for cseel to be Lyncher. I have to go offline now, hoping to do more when I return. So basically, the problem I have with it is how quickly he accepts cseel being cop as opposed to possible Lyncher. I'm thinking of what his thought process would be as each alignment and come up with: Lyncher: "Well obviously if I'm Lyncher cseel can't be, I can follow this for some towncred." Werewolf: "Lyncher or cop, cseel just gave an easy way to get a lynch on someone not from my faction." Mafia: (If clc is also mafia) "Well crap, time to bus for that towncred." (If clc isn't mafia) "May as well sheep the Lyncher, a mislynch is a mislynch." Town: Basically, I don't see why Xnad didn't question whether cseel was really cop because I'm having trouble finding a town motivation for him to sheep the lynch so quickly. Xnad, can you explain please? Don't you talk about cseel being lyncher when you yourself accepted him easily. I'm pretty sure you were waiting for someone to say this, so yeah, I'm quite keen to see your reply. Moving on, sorry for not posting much on day 2 yet. And oh well, ODM turned out to be mafia. Am I WW now Fenrir ? Oh well cseel I didn't quite get what you meant by saying 'we shouldn’t be player metaing?' because it's sir Fenrir who's against player meta'ing. And I won't really say my posts other than the two posts you mentioned weren't filler, considering that most of them were debates with Fenrir. You asked for my reaction as to ODM flipping scum. More than that, I want to know how you expect me to react. My reaction is as simple as (enter simile). ODM was scum, so is Fenrir. Since I'm making a post, I may as well respond to Fenrir's read, I don't know whether it's 99% or 100% saying about me using player meta. Took me time to come up with a reply for that, honestly. You talked about Circus people using it and said a situation where if they jump on a meat grinder, and if I would jump on it. So as a tit-for-tat, let me give you a situation. You're a kid and since childhood you have been taught that jumping on a meat grinder is good. It's useful and tactical, and often helps. I clearly don't know about you, but I would jump if I was taught that. I would lynch neither ironic ninja nor cseel. But if I was forced, it would be Ironicninja. Yeah yeah Fenrir, reasons below. Ironic ninja's very first post after cseel's claim made me go woah. I never thought lyncher would go that far. I mean, I clearly thought that there can be a cc and.. boom. Lyncher loses. So I thought that 'Ironic is definitely mafia', since Lyncher wouldn't take that of a risk. But then, I remembered that cseel was totally not here on d1. Why? Yep, this is it. He is a lyncher. This was all planned. So that he doesn't get SR'ed (more like by Fenrir, since Fenrir doesn't SR lurkers much), he stayed inactive. He waited for d2 and when it came.. he soft'ed, to use 'soft' as a counter to anyone who states that they used this plan. To think of it, it's quite smart to use this plan. Hmm.. Now I am confused. What to do? Simple - I want to see cseel and ironic ninja play ahead. And Fenrir too, since I am especially fond of him. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2017 8:08:17 GMT
So basically, the problem I have with it is how quickly he accepts cseel being cop as opposed to possible Lyncher. I'm thinking of what his thought process would be as each alignment and come up with: Lyncher: "Well obviously if I'm Lyncher cseel can't be, I can follow this for some towncred." Werewolf: "Lyncher or cop, cseel just gave an easy way to get a lynch on someone not from my faction." Mafia: (If clc is also mafia) "Well crap, time to bus for that towncred." (If clc isn't mafia) "May as well sheep the Lyncher, a mislynch is a mislynch." Town: Basically, I don't see why Xnad didn't question whether cseel was really cop because I'm having trouble finding a town motivation for him to sheep the lynch so quickly. Xnad, can you explain please? Don't you talk about cseel being lyncher when you yourself accepted him easily. I'm pretty sure you were waiting for someone to say this, so yeah, I'm quite keen to see your reply. Moving on, sorry for not posting much on day 2 yet. And oh well, ODM turned out to be mafia. Am I WW now Fenrir ? Oh well cseel I didn't quite get what you meant by saying 'we shouldn’t be player metaing?' because it's sir Fenrir who's against player meta'ing. And I won't really say my posts other than the two posts you mentioned weren't filler, considering that most of them were debates with Fenrir. You asked for my reaction as to ODM flipping scum. More than that, I want to know how you expect me to react. My reaction is as simple as (enter simile). ODM was scum, so is Fenrir. Since I'm making a post, I may as well respond to Fenrir's read, I don't know whether it's 99% or 100% saying about me using player meta. Took me time to come up with a reply for that, honestly. You talked about Circus people using it and said a situation where if they jump on a meat grinder, and if I would jump on it. So as a tit-for-tat, let me give you a situation. You're a kid and since childhood you have been taught that jumping on a meat grinder is good. It's useful and tactical, and often helps. I clearly don't know about you, but I would jump if I was taught that. I would lynch neither ironic ninja nor cseel. But if I was forced, it would be Ironicninja. Yeah yeah Fenrir, reasons below. Ironic ninja's very first post after cseel's claim made me go woah. I never thought lyncher would go that far. I mean, I clearly thought that there can be a cc and.. boom. Lyncher loses. So I thought that 'Ironic is definitely mafia', since Lyncher wouldn't take that of a risk. But then, I remembered that cseel was totally not here on d1. Why? Yep, this is it. He is a lyncher. This was all planned. So that he doesn't get SR'ed (more like by Fenrir, since Fenrir doesn't SR lurkers much), he stayed inactive. He waited for d2 and when it came.. he soft'ed, to use 'soft' as a counter to anyone who states that they used this plan. To think of it, it's quite smart to use this plan. Hmm.. Now I am confused. What to do? Simple - I want to see cseel and ironic ninja play ahead. And Fenrir too, since I am especially fond of him. 1. Fenrir didn't really "accepted it easily" since he said he went back and looked at all the points about me being Lyncher or Cop. 2. I really meant that we shouldn't just be player metaing to base a lynch off of, because imo that's the "easy way" to bandwagoning/pushing someone. 3. These meat grinder scenarios turnt dark real quick. Finally, a reply on this. I see your point and where you're coming from and it does make sense, I would definitely jump too, but both scenarios do make sense, it's more so subjective/how you play, so I think we should just drop it here since it's more so based on playstyle and we shouldn't read into it so much. 4. Re: Me lurking d1. As I said before, I basically died due to school and irl stuff etc, so I'm not sure how I would've lurked..? Because if I recall (not sure if we can check) I wasn't on for any of D1 until I got prodded. Also, hypothetically, if I was lurking d1, why would I plan it just to not be SR'd by only Fenrir ?_? Why Fenrir specifically Champ? |
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Post by Hawkie on Aug 2, 2017 10:39:26 GMT
uhhhhhhh i kind of don't want to vote either of them
The hardlurking then jumping into the thread with a mafia inspect doesn't sit right with me we r probably being trapped
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Post by Hawkie on Aug 2, 2017 10:40:20 GMT
Unovote ToniTheSadThing vote Kind Kangaroo Killer(ZOL)
Anyone up for this
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2017 11:03:24 GMT
Zest was originally my biggest scumread and I was going to pressure him to vote but then... I got a mafia inspect. u_u
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Post by clc ironic on Aug 2, 2017 13:22:12 GMT
Zest was originally my biggest scumread and I was going to pressure him to vote but then... I got a mafia inspect. u_u tbh when chatterseel the lyncher wins I wont be too mad...she is playing this quite nicely. |
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Post by Bomb Moss on Aug 2, 2017 13:53:23 GMT
Fenrir because the real cop claims now otherwise
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Post by Fenrir on Aug 2, 2017 15:12:22 GMT
Fun, people showed up. Incoming set of posts.
Starting with what I have the shortest reply to, clc is basically repeating "cseel is Lyncher, cseel is Lyncher" and has only given one thing that may support that (cseel's reasons being similar to ODM's). Given the extrapolation in ODM's read, I do think it could be wifom. Cseel's initial read lacks that level of cherry picking and acknowledges more than just the filler posts (though they are more discussed later due to that being what people asked about specifically), so I don't see very much connection to ODM's read here.
Cseel quotes the section where I mentioned what happens when the Lyncher's target is lynched; but your posts about "I'm town, you all lose if you lynch me, wait no you don't fine good luck town" exude AtE and defeatism.
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Post by Fenrir on Aug 2, 2017 15:14:42 GMT
Fenrir because the real cop claims now otherwise Maybe it's a playstyle difference, but the thing I didn't like was that you close to instantly lynched without even acknowledging the chance of Lyncher. This is a valid thing and we're I in Cop's position, I'd cc. If cseel isn't Cop and the real Cop has a reason they're not claiming, it'd best be a good one. |
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Post by Fenrir on Aug 2, 2017 15:49:18 GMT
So basically, the problem I have with it is how quickly he accepts cseel being cop as opposed to possible Lyncher. I'm thinking of what his thought process would be as each alignment and come up with: Lyncher: "Well obviously if I'm Lyncher cseel can't be, I can follow this for some towncred." Werewolf: "Lyncher or cop, cseel just gave an easy way to get a lynch on someone not from my faction." Mafia: (If clc is also mafia) "Well crap, time to bus for that towncred." (If clc isn't mafia) "May as well sheep the Lyncher, a mislynch is a mislynch." Town: Basically, I don't see why Xnad didn't question whether cseel was really cop because I'm having trouble finding a town motivation for him to sheep the lynch so quickly. Xnad, can you explain please? Don't you talk about cseel being lyncher when you yourself accepted him easily. I'm pretty sure you were waiting for someone to say this, so yeah, I'm quite keen to see your reply. Moving on, sorry for not posting much on day 2 yet. And oh well, ODM turned out to be mafia. Am I WW now Fenrir ? Oh well cseel I didn't quite get what you meant by saying 'we shouldn’t be player metaing?' because it's sir Fenrir who's against player meta'ing. And I won't really say my posts other than the two posts you mentioned weren't filler, considering that most of them were debates with Fenrir. You asked for my reaction as to ODM flipping scum. More than that, I want to know how you expect me to react. My reaction is as simple as (enter simile). ODM was scum, so is Fenrir. Since I'm making a post, I may as well respond to Fenrir's read, I don't know whether it's 99% or 100% saying about me using player meta. Took me time to come up with a reply for that, honestly. You talked about Circus people using it and said a situation where if they jump on a meat grinder, and if I would jump on it. So as a tit-for-tat, let me give you a situation. You're a kid and since childhood you have been taught that jumping on a meat grinder is good. It's useful and tactical, and often helps. I clearly don't know about you, but I would jump if I was taught that. I would lynch neither ironic ninja nor cseel. But if I was forced, it would be Ironicninja. Yeah yeah Fenrir, reasons below. Ironic ninja's very first post after cseel's claim made me go woah. I never thought lyncher would go that far. I mean, I clearly thought that there can be a cc and.. boom. Lyncher loses. So I thought that 'Ironic is definitely mafia', since Lyncher wouldn't take that of a risk. But then, I remembered that cseel was totally not here on d1. Why? Yep, this is it. He is a lyncher. This was all planned. So that he doesn't get SR'ed (more like by Fenrir, since Fenrir doesn't SR lurkers much), he stayed inactive. He waited for d2 and when it came.. he soft'ed, to use 'soft' as a counter to anyone who states that they used this plan. To think of it, it's quite smart to use this plan. Hmm.. Now I am confused. What to do? Simple - I want to see cseel and ironic ninja play ahead. And Fenrir too, since I am especially fond of him. Oh, the tunnel continues. Narcissistic (is that the right word?) as it may be, I'm starting to think I'm the target of Champ the Lyncher. (1) Thanks for 100% ignoring my response to your last post Day 1. Way to "look at everything," as you put it. (2) Cseel took the words out of my mouth; I'd like more detail on what constitutes "easily," especially given that you don't comment on Xnad's quick vote. The rest of your post also seems to be accepting that cseel if Lyncher quite easily. (3) "I'm pretty sure you were waiting for someone to say this." Regretfully, I don't sit on my phone waiting for people to tunnel me. What I was waiting for was a reply to the post mentioned in (1) and maybe some reads on others from you, but I seem to have gotten neither. (4) "You asked for my reaction as to ODM flipping scum. More than that, I want to know how you expect me to react. My reaction is as simple as (enter simile). ODM was scum, so is Fenrir." Ignoring the tunnel for a second, the alarm bells have been sounded by the bolded section. In response to the italicized section, I haven't seen much reasoning from you regarding this other than...the fact that I was scumreading him? And I've given my comments on that bit already. (5) "I don't know whether it's 99% or 100% saying about me using player meta. Took me time to come up with a reply for that, honestly." More alarm bells; this seems nearly too obvious. You then avoid the question by going onto a tangent that, to me, doesn't make sense (you have not been taught "since childhood" that using meta is a good thing, if you've spent any time at all on PS you are aware that people here don't like it, and, as I said in the exact post you quoted, even Circus doesn't pursue a lynch based on meta). Also, you seem awfully hung up on that meat grinder metaphor, you okay?  (6) Well firstly, the "plan" you mention is horrible and I hope nobody here tries to use it ever. If I understand this correctly, you think cseel is using a cop inspect...because he's Lyncher? The exact thing you say would be a suicidal move as Lyncher? ...which side of the argument are you on, exactly? "I think cseel is lyncher but if I had to lynch between the two of them I'd lynch clc" also makes no sense, and a third set of alarms go off when I read this: "Hmm.. Now I am confused. What to do?" Why not, instead of searching for town's approval before you make a move, comment on anything going on that doesn't directly relate to you? This is the first time you've done so all game. (7) "Simple - I want to see cseel and ironic ninja play ahead. And Fenrir too, since I am especially fond of him." And I want to see a ton of stuff from Champ, but sometimes life disappoints. I'm very tempted to stop posting right here and see when/if Champ ever posts again, but clearly that wouldn't be helpful. Couple of things for Hawkie: (1) I still believe cseel is cop (if anything Champ's point about that being a suicidal move for Lyncher supports this) so right now I'm keeping my vote on clc. (2) What motivated the switch from Toni to Zest as opposed to continuing to push Toni? (3) Would you be up for a Champ lynch? (4) When are you getting that avatar changed back ffs |
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