Hoenn Mafia [Game Over!]

[Fenrir]

Votecount 1.2
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ToniTheTourGuide(2)- Umbrella , ForgotToFlush
animallover77(2)- Champ1604 , Bomb Moss
HoeenHero(1)- Crespo
drunkseel/cseel(1)- clc ironic
Veteran Brionne(1)- Snaq ◢ ◤
ForgotToFlush(0)-
ODM(0)-
RADicate(0)-
Champ∞1604(0)-
uberdogedevourer/XnadrojX(0)-
Snaquaza(0)-
clc ironic(0)-
Tunder~BALLZ(0)-
Broken Jukebox(0)-
Veteran Brionne(0)-
ajhockeystar/Zorquax(0)-
Not Voting(8)- incognito , RADicate , HoeenHero , @chatterseel , qtball , BoredGames , Jodie Whittaker , ❗
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There are 15 alive so it takes 8 to hammer. Plurality applies.
Deadline is Monday the 28th at 1 PM EST.
If the deadline was now, ToniTheTourGuide would be lynched.

[Crespo]

Unvote: hoeenhero

i do want hoeen and Mr.BALLZ to talk but idk if their ask or not as this is an OC.......

I think atleast one of the people on me are scum..... so.....

[Crespo]

Vote: forgottoflush. For turboing me because.... I told people's flavors?     lol i honestly don't think that flavors mean anything..... just like sinnoh mafia

[BoredGames]

Aug 27, 2017 18:51:25 GMT Crespo said:

Vote: forgottoflush. For turboing me because.... I told people's flavors?     lol i honestly don't think that flavors mean anything..... just like sinnoh mafia

#omgus

[BoredGames]

there, that has saved a buch of posts pointing out the same thing...

toni btw can we talk pls thx

[RADicate]

Umm just clearing something up: it was my understanding that the role relations were between zorquax and clc ironic, and animal x zorquax was just a metaclear with no role relations.

[Snaq ◢ ◤]

Aug 27, 2017 20:21:58 GMT RADicate said:

Umm just clearing something up: it was my understanding that the role relations were between zorquax and clc ironic, and animal x zorquax was just a metaclear with no role relations.

this

[Jodie Whittaker]

I believe all gym leader claims

[HoeenHero]

Sorry for the lack on my activity here, life is busy as usual.

Based on what ive read, I dont SR toni but I don't appreciate him claiming my flavor for me.

Yes im Juan, but no my role has nothing to do with tate/liza.

I dont have any other reads atm.

[Jodie Whittaker]

Wait...
Hoenn Hero in Hoeen Mafia

SAVIOUR CONFIRMED.

[HoeenHero]

Vet you mixed up the e's

[Jodie Whittaker]

Why would you post that conversation

[Jodie Whittaker]

Oh right I meant hoeen.

(Not allowed to edit)

[Crespo]

Lol gg vet

[ForgotToFlush]

Aug 27, 2017 17:30:15 GMT BoredGames said:

Aug 26, 2017 6:17:45 GMT Champ1604 said:

Now to tell something everyone - me telling ani that rad is doing something - was a bluff from my side. Yes, I was the person who even started it, and asked RAD's help for this, to pressure Animal. And guess what? He fell for it. Badly. 

Now now now, guys, I'm playing a game which is so joyful - after like a very long time. First time in this forum, maybe? So yep, consider me dead serious about this game. That said, I don't intend to troll this game, like how I troll each and every game.

TL;DR of this whole post: Umbrella , ❗ and clc ironic , are a scum faction. Boom - I just did this.

1. Reasons

1.1 AnimalLover77

This was the first I talked to in the trio. I took help from RADicate (my sole townread) in this, to firstly make a situation where they are under pressure of facing an 'all-out attack'. Their reaction is exactly as in the above post - and they totally got a heartattack.

    1.1.1 Townreads Zorquax and Clc Ironic - for a 'role related' reason - This is a common for the trio reason, and I would further explain it in the 2nd section.

    1.1.2 SRs Toni till their lynch - for a reason which anyone can pick up - This is self-explanatory - claiming that his role is extremely sensitive and can be hinted with an alias claim - is an easy way to get Toni lynched.
    
    1.1.3 Reaction to my and RADicate's plan - and their read on RADicate - Their reaction is self-explanatory. They freaked out. As to the second half of this, they reacted out that RADicate wants to lynch them because of the older game, but says that he neutral reads them. He provides reasons for  this, but then follows with 'idk tbh I don't want to SR them and then make people say that I'm OMGUSing'. Yes, this reason is debatable and I'm up for it, but you still can't rule out the first half of this.

1.2 Clc Ironic

This guy is weird. Claims to not really care about the game, but in all honesty, is a Tsundere about this.

    1.1.1 Claims to not know why AnimalLover77 TRs them - This is EXTREMELY weird. Why does AnimalLover77 and Zorquax have a TR them, which is 'role related', but this guy does not TR them nor are aware of them TRing him?

    1.1.2 Had no interest in conversing with me, unless mentioned AnimalLover77 - This was something which really pumped me up. They denied  conversing with RADicate and so were denying me, so I  said [13:15:48] Not Champ1604: So I assume that you can chat with ani, but not with me?.

1.3 Zorquax

With all honesty, Zorquax is a fun player. But in context to this game, they seemed worse than AnimalLover77.


    1.1.1 Won't give me reasons to why they TR AnimalLover77 and Zorquax, whatsoever - I brought them into a situation of 'Just answer YES or NO' to the fact whether they will give me reasons as to whether they will provide me reasons as to whether they will give me reasons for why AnimalLover77 and Zorquax - they answered no.


    1.1.2 Is extremely concerned as to whether I will lynch AnimalLover77 or not - Seemed more concerned then the fact that I SR them. I am confused as to whether they are scum partners or life partners. How romantic.


    1.1.3 Shares 'the meta' with AnimalLover77 - This one's a bit of contradictory with the first reason, but after extreme pushing, they said that they used  and I quote "the meta" with AnimalLover77. Probably it's romance.


2. The Great Confusion

Okay so all those who are reading this - this is something important. The scum trio are confused among themselves. I have tried to make an activity chart for that.

                        TRs Zorquax
AnimalLover77 --------------> Because "Roles"
          |   TRs Clc Ironic
           -------------- -> Because "Roles" ; Clc doesn't know this

              ^{TRs AnimalLover77}
Zorquax -------------------> Because he shares "The Meta"
      |   TRs Clc Ironic
       ----------------> Because he doesn't care about the game but is town (?)

                 ^{Semi TRs AnimalLover77}
Clc Ironic ---------------------------> Because AnimalLover77 TRs him
      |   Null Reads Zorquax
       ---------------------> Insufficient information

This doesn't quite make sense..

1. Why does Clc not know that they are being TR through "roles"?
2. Why does Zorquax say "The Meta" while AnimalLover77 says "roles"?
3. Zorquax's TR on Clc makes no sense.. they are town, because they are town?

Scum trio, your co-ordination isn't good.

3. The Chats

Disclaimer before you read the chats - I have used some lies and fillers to pressurise people and get as much as information as possible. I'm a trickster, and I accept that.

with Zorquax - pastebin.com/Rapu4EMX
with Clc Ironic - pastebin.com/eQQ9xA05
with AnimalLover77  - pastebin.com/v1RzfxSQ


That being said,
Lynch Animalover77

Aug 26, 2017 19:14:34 GMT ❗ said:

Yes champ.. it seems like you have good reasoning but unfortunately, you are wrong.

the main fluke is.. if we are all town, we cannot be scum.

now let me give you more reasoning on this: Since I am town, clc is proven town, and animal is highly town.

Meanwhile, if animal is town, they know im town, yet I know clc is proven town, so they are town.

But the main point is, clc is also town, but a very bored town. He's just a marionette being controlled by the strings that bind him. He knows I am town, and I know that he and animal are town, so clc knows that animal is town.

If you were able to understand this logic, then good for you. Now, my main srs actually have to be Toni ~ cseel, Xnad/RAD. Xnad all you said in correspondence to the lynch was "major reaction" Obviously sheeping Champ's reads for such an obvious reason

why am I doing this to myself? Anyway, let me give some thoughts on the clc, Animallover and Zorquax situation

Quote 1-The massive quote basically. I want to bring up a certain argument about what if let's say Zorquax is actually town. Therefore, due to role related reasons it is highly likely Animal and clc would also be town. So forming a sr on all 3 of them and blaiming it on miscommunication is a stretch, simply because there are scenarios in which all 3 can be town.

The most confusing part in the trios actions is clc. However, there could be a way in which clc is proven town yet he doesn't know why. According to Toni hoeen (who really needs to do something) is Juan, and that Zorquax is Liza. To my knowledge Animallover hasn't claimed there alias and Clc may/may have not claimed theirs (i'm going to assume they haven't). So we know Zorquax is Liza. The reason Animal and Zor tr eachother and tr Clc is due to role related reasons. So, we could be facing another twin scenario. As a result, this means Animal would most likely be Tate, leaving Clc as someone else. This means that Animal and Zor could meta eachother as they would both know each other to be town. The only way they could tr clc is if they had certain info that they won't release to the rest of us, if they had a role related reason with clc (which I cannot see happening otherwise clc would also tr both of them as well) or if they were trolling/if they were a scum team. The only problem is that why would scum run the risk of trying to town lock everyone d1? So if 1 of them is clear, the other 2 would be at least semi-clear as well. But if one of them were scum, then Champ would most likely be right and that the rest are scum as well. I don't like the idea of lynching one of these 3 rn because we can clear them, or we can reveal a whole scum team.  

Time to contradict myself...

Quote 2- ZORQUAX THIS POST IS STUPID AND DOESN'T HELP ANYTHING

Let me explain, this post is simply muddying the waters, causing chaos. It's not what he is saying that is the problem, he is mostly right in saying that if he is town animal and clc are also most likely town. It's the lack of info explaining this that is my problem. Zorquax is basically the "link" between how all 3 must be town. So zorquax, let me hear something from you about this. PROVE HOW CLC IS TOWN I dare u Zorquax. Prove it to me how you can be certain Clc is town, and how that makes you and animal town as well. Like I said in my part on how clc can be proven town, it is most likely zorquax that you have info that proves clc is town, but I have some doubts over this. Let me bold them so you can read them better. How come you can prove Clc is town, but Animal can't, yet both of you tr clc for the same reasons? That is weird about your post zor, how come you can prove clc's innocence but Ani can't. How come when your town ani is highly likely to be town, but if they are town you are conf town That doesn't add up in my mind. In all scenarios you are conf town, yet ani isn't? But hang on, you contradict yourself when you bring up clc. "But the main point is, clc is also town, but a very bored town. He's just a marionette being controlled by the strings that bind him. He knows I am town, and I know that he and animal are town, so clc knows that animal is town." In this part you also say that you know ani is conf town, but when ur conf town ani isn't conf town, only highly likely to be town? Wdym by "strings that bind him" This part is quite honestly confusing. So clc is apparently being controlled, but by who? How do you know this? Are you the one controlling clc? EXPLAIN!!! Also... You say clc knows your town, so why doesn't he say he tr's you? This is just annoying. What your saying doesn't correlate with what Clc is saying.

   

I'm not done with you yet zorquax. Let's look at your Sr's. Toni, Cseel, Xnad/RAD

1-How come the only sr you explain is Xnad?
2-Why are you not sure about who you sr out of RAD and Xnad? Or is it because of the same reasons?
3-Why do you sr cseel? I'm honeslty confused. Is t because of the pm chats you've had with them?
4-Why do you sr RAD? Is it pm chats? Is it because they helped champ with sr'ing Ani? Is it because they and Snaq pranked Vet?
5-If you sr RAD for either the second or third reason, why don't you also sr Snaq and Champ?

If you need to talk to me hit me up on PS :)

PS-I am not saying I tr the trio nor am I saying I sr them. I'm just providing analysis on the situation.

That PS at the bottom is pretty much BS since you just reiterated and stated what has already been said
The questions at the bottom are extremely redeeming however.

Aug 27, 2017 18:51:25 GMT Crespo said:

Vote: forgottoflush. For turboing me because.... I told people's flavors?     lol i honestly don't think that flavors mean anything..... just like sinnoh mafia

I've explained twice already that you're a liability that can't be trusted. If you want to sort it out pm rn. I'm on Showdown till 4-ish

Aug 27, 2017 20:21:58 GMT RADicate said:

Umm just clearing something up: it was my understanding that the role relations were between zorquax and clc ironic, and animal x zorquax was just a metaclear with no role relations.

You're on the right track

All in all it's a shame I don't have more to discuss since I've been out for 18 of the past 24 hours. However I should be on for the rest of the night so please hmu.

[qtball]

This whole Zorquax Ani Clc thing is dumb they're probably all trolling and this being the discussion of topic on Day 1 is a waste

**Lynch Veteran Brionne** do something useful please

[Umbrella]

Unlynch toni Lynch bored
ok let me explain this. Bored lied to Zorquax to try and get my role let me show logs of this



[22:43:56] Animallover77: [21:40:27] Animallover77: [21:40:00] Zorquax ◕‿◕: [22:38:59] Bored_6886: So, u and ani exchanged role PM's right

[22:43:57] Animallover77: [21:40:28] Animallover77: [21:40:05] Zorquax ◕‿◕: [22:39:46] Bored_6886: What is their role then

[22:43:57] Animallover77: [21:40:29] Animallover77: same

[22:44:07] Animallover77: [21:40:45] Animallover77: nice freaking try

[22:44:07] Animallover77: [21:40:55] Bored_6886: Fri

[22:44:08] Animallover77: [21:41:01] Bored_6886: *GDI

[22:44:39] Animallover77: [22:40:30] Zorquax ◕‿◕: you expect me to claim their role

[22:44:40] Animallover77: [22:40:47] Bored_6886: They claimed yes

[22:44:40] Animallover77: [22:41:05] Zorquax ◕‿◕: Oh ok?

[22:44:52] Animallover77: [22:41:32] Zorquax ◕‿◕: his role is

[22:44:53] Animallover77: [22:41:33] Bored_6886: *yours

[22:44:54] Animallover77: [22:41:34] Zorquax ◕‿◕: brb lemme get it

Bored also has knowledge of Zorquax's role and you know what he did with that knowledge. He went right to Radicate and told him it. THEN GUESS WHAT HE DOES HE FREAKING COMES TO ME AND TELLS ME RADS ROLE. BYE

[❗]

unlynch toni

lynch Bored_6886

If bored is town then that was absolutely horrible to pass the info on, especially since i never asked u too

[ForgotToFlush]

Unlynch Toni
Lynch Bored
An extensive series of conversations has shown me that Bored is scum.
I'm gonna try to be on until the sun rises so pm me if you feel like you're missing pieces of the puzzle.

[RADicate]

ulynch and lynch bored 
idk if really really bad town, or just scum, but this needs to go

[qtball]

unlynch lynch Bored sorry dude but you're freaking bad for that

[incognito]

Ok this is going to be a rather aggressive post.
I've talked to people, I read the thread, I am willing to claim to anyone who wants me to.
1- Zorquax and Animallover : Both of you are probably town, but if you don't fucking stop this whole buddy-buddy thing in all your games i promise to get one of you two lynched
2-Bored: Bored... Really?
3-Veteran Brionne: Either you contribute and take the fucking game seriously, or you get lynched too.
4-TBallz is 100% town
5-FTF is 83% town
6-Toni is probably town as well
7-Xnadrojx is acting suspicious tbh, 53% scum
8-Rest i have no thoughts about. (maybe hoeen as 51% scum)

[incognito]

Lynch Veteran Brionne

[incognito]

Also apparently i'm like the 4th elite four so i'm a big deal.

[incognito]

You know what, I got balls the size of watermelons so here goes: I claim OS-Commuter.