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Post by Yellow$¢$Skarmory on Nov 17, 2017 0:10:33 GMT
please dont make us crack that code
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Post by Javelinlover on Nov 17, 2017 0:19:49 GMT
this smells like an easy push tbh, like spiderz is trying to form a wagon so that he himself doesn't get lynched. i'm probably biased, though, so i'm seeing what i want to see. can ForgotToFlush and the person who townread spiderz make a response to this please(i think it was ODM?) My response is thus: I can’t know spiderz’s intentions on voting Zorquax, but if all the people Spiderz could be voting, Zorquax is objectively a good choice. I submit Zorquax’s ISO as evidence to this general conclusion. There comes a point where the confirmation bias becomes so deep that its bearer is driven to madness in attacking its victim. Javelinlover , when Spiderz shifted that vote to Zorquax, your first instinct was “easy push?? Trying to get wagon off self?!=scum?!?!” when it is MUCH EASIER to believe that, even if he was scum, that single vote was not an elaborate, magnificently contrived plot to throw the town off his tracks. Zorquax is objectively a good lynch. Literally nobody wants to be lynched. This post is not alignment indicative, and not every single little thing Spiderz does as he ambles drunkenly about the fire is confirmation that he’s scum. This is directed mostly at the town as a whole, rather than just at Javelinlover . I said it during the YS lynch, I’ll say it again here: Strange =/= scummy Strange =/= scummyStrange =/= scummyIt is easy and lazy to go for the strange people. Beyond just distracting yourself from actual, tangible schmhunting in the one game, you are creating a homogenized culture of other-lynchers more concerned with base ideological supremacy than actual success. “Parsing vote patterns and word choice is too hard—hey, did anybody catch that one guy who DOESN’T WANT TO BE LYNCHED??? Flailing, Q.E.D.! He just wallposted! Don’t read it, that’s scum propaganda! He voted someone he previously townread! Flip-flopping! He voted someone! OMGUS! AtE! Chainsaw! Buzzwords! Dread Moloch!” What happens when the town selectively persecutes strangeness rather than scumminess? okay, complaint acknowledged. you can't just lynch me because i'm playing badly, though. if you could list some things you found scummy about me instead of just detailing why play in general is bad, that would be much appreciated. i was simply making an observation and stating my opinion, not “Parsing vote patterns and word choice is too hard—hey, did anybody catch that one guy who DOESN’T WANT TO BE LYNCHED??? Flailing, Q.E.D.! He just wallposted! Don’t read it, that’s scum propaganda! He voted someone he previously townread! Flip-flopping! He voted someone! OMGUS! AtE! Chainsaw! Buzzwords! Dread Moloch!” . my case on spiderz is actually built mainly upon his individual vote patterns, not what he has said. actually, i started scumreading him based on an idea that you suggested, that the mafia may have formed an alternate lynchtrain on VigVig to get the lynches off Toni. you're actually committing the strawman fallacy (which, by the way, you're most likely to attack out of this post), by changing my point into something that not only is easier to argue against, but also completely contradicts stuff that i've explicitly stated. you're attacking one post out of many, and of course it's the single weakest post, the most unsupported, the one that's almost entirely speculative, and the one that i actually stated in the goddamned post that i was probably wrong. |
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Post by Javelinlover on Nov 17, 2017 0:20:11 GMT
actually wait lmao i misread your post
wait but i already wrote the post and no deleting
most of this is applicable to my actual thoughts anyway
actually i'll make a proper response, to come shortly.
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Post by Javelinlover on Nov 17, 2017 0:56:17 GMT
so, actually, i appreciate you responding to my request, and your response is acknowledged. how are we supposed to choose which objectively good lynch to choose, though? i'm not saying that zorquax is a bad lynch. i'm simply saying that i think that spiderz has a higher chance of flipping scum than zorquax does. to numerically quantify it, zorquax is about 60% likely to be scum, because of an intentional lack of content despite obviously being present. on the other hand, spiderz is about 76% mafia because of scummy activity, including but not limited to unusual activity with the deceased scum, an objectively scummy lynch pattern, and a too-eager response to put information out in the open that shouldn't exactly be put out in the open. stuff i'd like to know: Citrus Freakwhat happens, in your opinion? why don't you feel i'm listening? what were your points, and how did i misinterpret them? "The "don't question it" bit was probably not in the "NOTHING SCUMMY TO SEE HERE" way. I think it was him being a town PR with the realization that black bishop does not necessarily mean scum bishop. "I think his claim was legitimate, but I'm town PR so I really don't want you to ask why I think so"." is this for certain, or is this just speculation on your part? "Spiderz does not strike me as the sort of person to speculate on claim theory mid-game unless he had a specific reason to do so." why? "And then most notably not unvoting. If Spiderz was the buddy of Toni, then he would have lolnoped right the heck out of there at that point. He even calmly analyzes YS saying "I just have no reads on her [sic] rn", when nobody would have blamed him for throwing his vote off of his buddy and onto the YS wagon then." is this for certain, or is this just speculation on your part? didn't he unvote later? ODM – Null for now – Hasn’t contributed enough to give me enough reason to go one way or the other, This is another person I wouldn’t mind putting some pressure on to give them incentive to contribute more, most noteable thing that they’ve said is that he’d rather not have Toni lynched. Im just gonna put this idea out there: Possible scum partner with Toni based on that? Could be Not enough information for a definitive side however ok fuck you guys talk a lot. First, I like the pl. Citrus AND Spieky? Is this heaven? Second. I think skarmory is town. This is just an observation since he seems to be the target rn. I would lynch someone else. Preferably not Toni as well since he's a useful player when he's town, and it's too early to tell if he's being fillery or not. Preferably one of Spiderz or epiccreeper. Spiderz for the disgustingly scummy plurshift, epiccreeper for being epiccreeper. Lowkey scumread on Champ as well, which I will expand upon when i see more of her posts. lynch spiderzI honestly don't know how to parse that line out in my mind. I'm going to step back and not read into it. can you read into it, please? it's a pretty scummy line. why on earth does your butthole size vary when talking to people? (it's not necessary to answer this question, i was just curious) Ul citrus I think you guys have a point so I’m going to ul If you guys have any q tell me Yes, we do have questions: why'd you target me for a roleblock? if you think spiderz is legitimately a PR and he claimed roleblock on you, what does that mean for the roleblock? actually vigvig answered my question nvm i'm keeping this so you can see my thought processes though "Exactly my point. That was a very bad move if you’re town, but a mediocre move as scum, so…" so he's just bad town, in your opinion? i just want confirmation. thanks in advance |
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Post by Javelinlover on Nov 17, 2017 0:58:25 GMT
disclaimer: all percentages are based completely on my own perspective and are used to display my opinion. there is no factual base for those numbers.
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Post by ForgotToFlush on Nov 17, 2017 1:20:10 GMT
This game is a fucking mess everyone sub out or some shit holy lord
Full post(s) later
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Post by ForgotToFlush on Nov 17, 2017 2:25:36 GMT
This game is a fucking mess everyone sub out or some shit holy lord Full post(s) later Fuck it I'll do it tomorrow |
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Post by ForgotToFlush on Nov 17, 2017 2:28:18 GMT
Have reached my physical limit in its totality
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Post by Prodigu on Nov 17, 2017 3:06:23 GMT
Alright so first part was mostly my more shaky reads (I may have more), gonna start the second part off (might give a third depending on how long this one is) I’m still gonna include some not exact reads in this post since im not entirely sure on them
Gonna change this around a bit, im gonna analyze the player and then give my verdict on them
Starting me off will be
Citrusfreak: So to start this read off I’ll start with their day 1 actions and move up from there. So day 1 they tried to get people to BW / react to his post about yellow skarmory as a sort of reaction test, and from that test they gleaned that toni was not town, and ultimately led a lynch on him. He gives sound reasoning for lynching spiderz primarily, I’ve seen some good reasoning and logic behind most of his arguments, and he has been analyzing posts well (the one I am primarily mentioning if the one in which he unlynches spiderz) His town reads on his 3 people seem well thought out, and analyzed (Although vigvig is a given) Overall I don’t see much scumminess from him, the only thing that got me thinking scum at any point was when he did the reaction test for YS (this is before he says it was a reaction test). At this time he is one of my town reads
FTF: So first off a lot of his day 1 posts didn’t have tons of content to them, but yeah it’s day 1 what would you expect we don’t have much to go on tbh. His day 2 posts have been these giant wall posts, and some of his thoughts on what people have said which he has said he plans to look at everyone. The thing that I do dislike is that he is making these giant wall posts which can be hard to read (like what im saying with this is that they’re too big) but he is analyzing what people have to say, and what they’ve said so far, as of now he’s a town lean for me
Epiccreeper: so most of their day 1 stuff was filler except for like 1 post where they made a couple insights. Today he’s said he thinks something is a slip yet cannot explain why, and later makes an explanation of sorts, in which I’m unsatisfied with how they explained it, basically he said this is what spiderz said, and then does the bare minimum of explaining oh b/c he said “is” even though he’s dead they must be partners. The second part of that post he talks about FTF and whines about how someone is policy lynching them. This honestly looks defeatist to me, like Oh youre lynching me b/c of this… well what stops me from doing this? “I’m just a vt” good luck town, this looks so defeatist to me like he’s giving up in a way. Overall it seems to me that he hasn’t put much thought into his posts and is ending up doing the bare minimum because of this. I’d have to judge this person as scum from the posts that they have made so far
Spieky: so like a lot of people not much context to his day 1 posts, so gonna just jump into what he’s said day 2 so his first post of the day he quoted a bunch of people, and gave a bit of his commentary on them, and their reasoning for lynching someone. Eh I don’t know exactly what to say about this I mean yeah sure he looked over their posts, didn’t say much though and then sure the scum reads he posts there based off the lynches is alright. Next post he responds a bit to what citrus did to get Toni lynched, and then gives some commentary and a bit of reads… K so some of my thoughts on what he said so first off he now lists champ (who if im not mistaken was subbed out with Jav correct me if im wrong please) so he says that something that Jav did is just odd to him, despite it being simple, and she put a bunch of work into it, and then scumreads champ, So im a bit confused about this since he initially says that it seems odd to him and then he switches to them being a scumread, without much explanation in this which I dislike. Then he lists his town reads as being ODM… wait hang on ODM hasn’t really posted much huh how’d that read get there, Epic, and spiderz, which he doesn’t explain Why he reads epic as town, then ironically enough in his next post he has said that he gut townreads epic yet he agrees with him being lynched, uh so is he a townread or not? If I was townreading someone I wouldn’t want them lynched, he also doesn’t say what he agrees about which makes it kind of confusing in a way as well Leaning scum for him based off these couple of posts
I’ll try and update tomorrow with another reads list, no promises though, since ill be busy but I will make an attempt
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Post by spiderz on Nov 17, 2017 4:09:09 GMT
Cseel i didn't vote toni because i wanted to know his PR he didn't even claim when i lynched him in fact when he did claim i unlynched him and THEN i wanted to know his PR
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Post by ScorrchingTheaph on Nov 17, 2017 4:14:55 GMT
Here is a recap of D1 lynches. Note: OM Room counted champ's bold on RAD when it was clear that their intention was not to lynch. This is apparent from Lynchcount 1.1 on. I did not count it in my lynch counts. OM Room also missed YS's lynch on Toni since it happened right before Lynchcount 1.1 and was never counted until YS relynched. Lynchcount 1.2 has plurality on the wrong player since it is missing a lynch.
RAD: lynch YS (1) [plur]
cseel: lynch EC (1)
FTF: lynch RAD (1)
Champ: lynch Xnad (1)
Zorq: lynch Theaph (1)
Fenrir: lynch Zorq (1)
Xnad: lynch YS (2)
Citrus: lynch RAD (2)
YS: lynch RAD (3) [plur]
Theaph: lynch Zorq (2)
Theaph: ul Zorq (1)
VigVig: lynch YS (3)
EC: lynch Toni (1)
Prod: lynch VigVig (1)
Toni: lynch Zorq (2)
Theaph: lynch VigVig (2)
Citrus: ul RAD (2) [plur to YS]
Citrus: lynch Theaph (2)
Toni: ul Zorq (1)
Toni: lynch YS (4)
FTF: ul RAD (1)
FTF: lynch Toni (2)
YS: ul RAD (0)
YS: lynch Toni (3)
Citrus: ul Theaph (1)
Citrus: lynch YS (5)
YS: ul Toni (2)
YS: lynch YS (6)
YS: ul YS (5)
YS: lynch Citrus (1)
FTF: ul Toni (1)
FTF: lynch YS (6)
Citrus: ul YS (5)
Citrus: lynch Toni (2)
Spieky: lynch Citrus (2)
Fenrir: ul Zorq (0)
Fenrir: lynch VigVig (3)
YS: ul Citrus (1)
YS: lynch Toni (3)
VigVig: ul YS (4)
VigVig: lynch Toni (4)
Theaph: ul VigVig (2)
Theaph: lynch Toni (5) [plur]
YS: relynch Toni (5) for OM to count
Spid: lynch Toni (6)
EC: ul Toni (5)
EC: lynch YS (5)
FTF: ul YS (4)
Xnad: ul YS (3)
Xnad: lynch EC (2)
ODM: lynch Spid (1)
Citrus: ul Toni (4)
RAD: ul YS (2)
RAD: lynch VigVig (3)
Theaph: ul Toni (3)
YS: ul Toni (2) [plur to VigVig]
YS: lynch VigVig (4)
Toni: ul YS (1)
Spid: ul Toni (1)
Spid: lynch VigVig (5)
Citrus: lynch Toni (2)
YS: ul VigVig (4)
YS: lynch Toni (3)
Jav: ul Xnad (0)
cseel: ul EC (1)
cseel: lynch YS (2)
FTF: lynch Toni (4)
Spid: ul VigVig (3) [plur to Toni]
Spid: lynch EC (2)
Jav: lynch YS (3)
RAD: ul VigVig (2)
RAD: lynch FTF (1)
TONI WAS LYNCHED
If I were to draw a conclusion based solely on lynches, it would be YS = town, Spid = town, Citrus = town lean, FTF = town lean, cseel = scum, jav = scum lean. |
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Post by Javelinlover on Nov 17, 2017 4:51:27 GMT
please keep in mind that i was subbed in about an hour and a half before deadline and i was still reading pages 1-7 when i lynched.
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Post by Javelinlover on Nov 17, 2017 4:52:02 GMT
thank you for that very useful lynch recap though, it's much appreciated
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2017 5:21:03 GMT
Javelinlover, I will respond tomorrow. Sorry if I came off harsh, it was just a nostalgic trigger of mine to see ducklings sent off to the gallows, because they walk ungracefully. ScorrchingTheaph thank you very much for that vote recap, much appreciated. Could you teach me how to make that? Also, one more reason I am confident now that Spiderz is town (and I now suspect I am hypocritically falling prey to confirmation bias myself): The deciding unlynch of the day, that shifted plurality from Vig to Toni and solidified the lynch, was this: Spid: ul VigVig (3) [plur to Toni] VigVig and Toni had been at four votes each then, plurality on Vig the claimed mason who we didn’t really believe at the time. Spiderz unlynching Vig directly caused Toni to be lynched. Spiderz could have kept his vote there on Vig, and nobody would have blamed him; but he chose instead to shift plurality by unvoting, regardless of where his new vote went. If Spiderz had done that as mafia, he would have been playing against his win condition.
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Post by ScorrchingTheaph on Nov 17, 2017 5:23:32 GMT
ScorrchingTheaph thank you very much for that vote recap, much appreciated. Could you teach me how to make that? I manually looked at every vote. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2017 5:27:07 GMT
Have to disagree with you on the cseel and Jav scumread from the votes, though. All they did was vote YS at the end of the day, when as mafia it would have been better to protect your partner by voting VigVig. So +town to them for that, actually.
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Post by ScorrchingTheaph on Nov 17, 2017 5:28:42 GMT
If anyone voted VigVig after the Mason claim they would have been obv scum.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2017 5:31:19 GMT
...Then again, scum!Jav’s last minute vote on Vig would have made her look bad without actually shifting plurality off of him. Null read. And cseel voted YS when Vig has four votes and Toni had three, so he might have anticipated a Vig lynch anyway and felt safe enough about the results to not want to risk bad attention by putting his name on the wagon.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2017 5:31:57 GMT
If anyone voted VigVig after the Mason claim they would have been obv scum. Yep. |
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Post by incognito on Nov 17, 2017 6:56:32 GMT
Spiderz is a really weird slot to me, in that they are constantly doing "scummy" things, yet I feel that it is coming from a towns pov. ODM strikes me as scum. Very inactive, and when he is around, he is fillery and plays under the radar. Want to see a strong read from him, as he has failed to do that so far regefire still needs to psot Javelin wrote a fucking book, nuff said YS is a null, they are like spiderz in that they are doing alot of 'scummy' things, but I dont think he would bus toni d1 like that I think the above post summarizes my thoughts on epiccreeper FTF is being an asshole this game and its affecting my ability to read him. ill say null for now Prodigu is just a bit ehh, like ODM but a bit more substance. leaning scum Fenrir needs to get his ass over to the computer lab more and post. I'm liking what he's doing and we need more of him Cseel is again, under the radar. scumlean Im dissapointed in Xnad with his activity. Not sure why he isnt posting as much as he can Zorquax is a little hedgehog but he isnt doing anything Citrus is a very strong townread Spieky is definetly posting with a town mindset, townlean My strong read is yellow skarm as town. When I have a strong scumread, I'll say so. |
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Post by Javelinlover on Nov 17, 2017 7:02:28 GMT
Javelin wrote a fucking book, nuff said i just fucking noticed this lmaooo i feel like a lot of other people wrote books too tho like why don't you put that classification on them too |
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Post by VigilanteVigoroth on Nov 17, 2017 9:12:01 GMT
No you had a physical notebook you wrote a book
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Post by Javelinlover on Nov 17, 2017 9:12:41 GMT
it was only 38 pages ok
that's not a fucking book
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Post by VigilanteVigoroth on Nov 17, 2017 9:26:08 GMT
I feel that citrus V Javelin is town v town However, Javelinlover, In a multiball setup, where the only protective role is a POTENTIAL Town JK, why would any Scum player claim a power role? The answer: Spiderz realises he isn’t going to survive until the end of the game, and so attempts to out a town PR that is potentially in the game, by having them CC This eliminates the possibility of him being SK, and if he IS SK, mafia can kill him So the other options are Mafia+Town. I want to refer back to what citrus said about the unlynch of me. Spiderz didn’t HAVE to come and make a post, but he chose to take plurality and put it on Toni. Therefore, I would like to say Spiderz isn’t mafia. If he is, SK will kill him anyway This generates a new question. Why would Town!Spiderz our himself as PR He answered this himself: There was 1 less kill than there should have been. Spiderz got a bit overexcited and rushed into claiming his target as in his mind he had 100% stopped a kill. Cseel, Prodigu, And ODM all made posts while I was asleep Cseel still strikes me as being kinda neutral, and under the radar. You’re allowed to sleep, but you have to do stuff while you’re awake.... Prodigu certainly made a good post, I like what he said about Spieky, and I will look into that when I am in less of a lazy mood ODM is still ughhh. However I feel like Scum!ODM probably wouldn’t be that neutral when called out on it. Idk |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2017 9:26:21 GMT
its ok, vigvig is only capable of reading books that are 38 pages
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