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Post by VigilanteVigoroth on Nov 17, 2017 12:13:27 GMT
thats a fucking book
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Post by spiderz on Nov 17, 2017 12:56:49 GMT
Vig Vig if you actually looked I DONT want PR to claim and zor can you please respond to my lynch IN ENGLISH
Also I want to say ty to citrus but that doesn’t mean that I TR you though because you could be scum trying to buddy with me
Theirs another possibilty that I can come up with but don’t wanna say but some of you probably figured it out
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Post by OM~! on Nov 17, 2017 14:04:14 GMT
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Post by Javelinlover on Nov 17, 2017 15:14:59 GMT
okay so i don't get why epiccreeper is being lynched, can someone explain that to me?
also i reconsidered the PR thing and actually it accounts for the weird behavior. unlynch spiderz
on that note, however, the person who i scumread the second most was vote ODM
i don't actually remember why, i'm sure it'll come to me later. will post later, busy trying to finish my very much late english assignment rn
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Post by VigilanteVigoroth on Nov 17, 2017 15:46:56 GMT
Jav did you read Epics posts
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Post by regifire on Nov 17, 2017 15:49:46 GMT
Could someone explain why epicsnorlax is getting lynched, sort of lazy to check back with PMs, I'll do that later. No scum reads atm (Since I'm subbing)
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Post by VigilanteVigoroth on Nov 17, 2017 15:56:42 GMT
Epicsnorlax is not getting lynched
RegiFire, who do you want lynched atm
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Post by ForgotToFlush on Nov 17, 2017 15:57:20 GMT
lynch regifire
Don't try changing my mind
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Post by qtball on Nov 17, 2017 16:08:47 GMT
addsub me because jave is in
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Post by ScorrchingTheaph on Nov 17, 2017 17:49:56 GMT
Have to disagree with you on the cseel and Jav scumread from the votes, though. All they did was vote YS at the end of the day, when as mafia it would have been better to protect your partner by voting VigVig. So +town to them for that, actually. YS was the counterwagon to Toni after Toni and VigVig both claimed. If cseel/jav=scum, then there was no way they were going to lynch VigVig, thus the need for the counterwagon on YS. It is also possible that they were town who believed Toni's claim, which is why I am not pushing them too hard. |
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Post by Fenrir on Nov 17, 2017 21:28:02 GMT
Here most likely to deadline. Smh OM~! where's my FtF vote. Going from 24 to here and then some. |
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Post by Fenrir on Nov 17, 2017 21:50:45 GMT
So after filtering out the salt-based bs in FtF's first post on p. 24, we're left with this. lynch RADicate Oh, Move Guy Up S2 (wait i have to wait for white to go first)
Anyways Yellow Skarm have you heard of Game Corner?
How are you getting the impression that there's no intent to improve when a number of YS's posts have been actual effort to contribute/scumhunt, regardless of what it's based on? I'm not a fan of Yellowskarmory atm, he's plurshifted off of himself and It seems omgus to me since instead of trying to get votes off of himself he chose to just lynch radicate (the person who did lynch him) that way he wouldn't have plur, he also never stated why he chose to lynch radicate even though it is day 1, it was kind of out of the blue and it seems like it was just too targeted
That aside, it looks like pure self defense. This is not a good look for Yellow Skarm either, but it's pretty clear that Skarm didn't care who he lynched. I doubt Yellow Skarm actually knows what's he doing at this point, or why he's here. All in all, scummy behaviour with no effort to make it better.Ignoring that the Rad vote is most likely not self-defence, which is it? Is he scum, or is he town that's unsure what he's doing? Unlynch RADicate, Lynch ToniAt this point i'm just trying to stay alive, and Toni has been filler (pointed out already). This may come off scummy, but i'm somewhat in "Try to stay alive at all costs" mode already. Also, i think i know the reasoning for your lynch on me, but it seems kind of random, almost scummy. If you want to talk about a lack of original thought, we can look at nearly any Spiderz post. Off the top of my head alone, I'm pretty sure YS's Citrus vote came completely out of left field. First off - that wasn't a plurshift, and second off - i stay panicky in all games i play when i'm about to be lynched. And i don't really have a way to confirm myself as town (even though i am). I think the 2 random lynches to start off set off my "panic" mode and i just am trying to stay alive, though i probably will end up being lynched. DL in 2 days for some reason makes it feel "too" short, i don't know why. Anyway, i am a black pawn (which for some reason is town, it seems more like black would fit mafia, also isn't there 8 pawns and 9 townies? whatever. This is filler text that will not make me look good.) "Convince" and "confirm" have two different meanings, enough said here. ForgotToFlush- Scumlean. I don't like his initial vote on Toni. He doesn't give any commentary on it besides "disgusting" and there's no follow up on it-no explanation or questioning, before he shifts to YS. Comments that YS doesn't look like he knows what he's doing but doesn't seem to consider the possibility of YS being town who doesn't know what he's doing. Both of these votes look like he's just going with whatever lynch he thinks he can successfully push. Toni- Scumlean. Commented on him above, he has a lot of filler and the fake effort involved in translating Zor's post irks me. His reaction to Citrus also feels off (It almost feels like he suddenly switched to defending YS while still wanting that lynch to go through.) Yellow$¢$Skarmory- Light townlean. Most of the reasons people are scumreading him are better explained by his being a nervous new player. The frequent posting in this case, if anything, is a sign of him being more likely to be town (in my experience newer players generally lurk as scum for fear of appearing scummy or slipping). At the very least he's horribly low-hanging fruit, there's scum on his wagon, and he shouldn't be the D1 lynch. Fenrir- Bit off a god's hand? GETTEM!VigilanteVigoroth-Scumlean. Described this pretty well above, he seems content tunneling the low-hanging fruit then did a 180 and similar thing to Toni with "where is the scumslip?" Champ∞1604- Light townlean. I like where they were going with his posing questions to YS and Epic, but they haven't posted since and any way they progress with that line of questioning is likely to be influenced by the reads others have. Champ1604 's own reads would be helpful when they see this.
Citrus Freak-
Townlean. Let's approach the reaction test as if Citrus is scum. He thus knows YS is town (or can at least be reasonably sure, since this is a multiball theme) and assumes that other townies have a similar flavor role to YS. In that case, it makes no sense for him to call out YS on claiming it because, if YS is a VT, he's potentially calling down the wrath of all other VTs in the game. Shortly put, he took a risk that offers little reward if he's scum and he also backed up the claim that it was a reaction test by indicating which reactions he noticed. Removed the names of players with imo too little to form a read on. Based on all of that, I remain of the opinion that the lynch today should be Toni or Vigvig. Toni was, until recently, filler for the most part, which isn't damning evidence and I'd prefer to wait to see more from them in comparison to Vigvig. Unvote: Zorquax
Vote: VigilanteVigoroth
-Again, going for low hanging fruit isn't necessarily a bad thing. At least you made mention of the fact as to why you'd think I'm going after low hanging fruit. Other than that you need to elaborate on that more. It's a shallow statement otherwise
-Right but when half the pl is probably too afraid to question what the fuck Citrus was doing (Spukky himself thought he was gonna get mobbed) then it's safe to say that the risk is not as big as you make it out to be.
1. You did elaborate on Toni, but the point I was referring to was in your initial vote for him. I don't care that you know how to do an ISO on someone, I want to know why you didn't explain this reasoning when you voted in the first place. 2. I elaborated on it pretty well. Are you going to answer beyond "it's not a bad thing"? 3. Let's do some math. This is a 18 player theme with 9 players who are Pawns (Vanilla Townies). If Citrus is scum he risks drawing the attention of half the game. I'd consider that a significant risk. page 7 this needs to be seen more. why, exactly, did citrus assume that black pawn meant scum?? it all seems very iffy.
this is really interesting content. i really want to see this flip, because it kind of does seem like citrus is trying to grab easy towncred. also the "too much information" thing.
filler content, tbh
though i agree, it is advanced filler.
original, quality content. although i don't necessarily agree, i'm townleaning.
and he goes back to defeatism. this emphasis on his own state seems odd for a town member, but i think he might be a townie who is just really scummy, because him being scum makes no sense with citrus's behavior.
okay a motherfucking reaction test?? i don't buy it. hard scum on skarm and citrus.
FTF just keeps insulting people. could be third party.
okay, should've posted this in the earlier post. seems like retrospective logic, but the reasoning is pretty sound. again, though, seems like retrospective logic.
filler question
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-Of course FTF keeps insulting people look at this shit. Little girl, do you want to try and take the high road against me? I'll pull out the 12 year old copy pasta as soon as you fucking try it.
1. Gee, I dunno, maybe Citrus himself?
2. Quit acting like a child then. I'm pretty sure I deleted half of your post by filtering out anything that was a shitshow. Jfc there are so many contradictions and examples of dodging questions and throwing random shade in that post I have a hard time believing that you sincerely believe any of what you're saying. There's also the, up to this point at the very least, complete lack of townreads or anything resembling them. Good job keeping your lynch options open. Vote: ForgotToFlush in the event that I forgot to bold it last time or something. |
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Post by Fenrir on Nov 17, 2017 21:55:04 GMT
I'm appreciating Citrus's post re: why Spiderz is more likely town. It still pisses me off that he claimed a PR so early and with so little to support the idea that he was specifically responsible for stopping a NK, but I agree with Citrus's post, particularly the bit about how SKs usually don't claim PRs so early (there's little incentive for Spiderz as SK to do so at that point when there's little actual pressure on him).
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Post by Fenrir on Nov 17, 2017 22:02:12 GMT
Up to page 12. I'm also working on homework, so I'm going to do some of that, then continue. This is a very weak reason for staying on YS. For one, the YS wagon had as much pressure as any other, so it wasn't as if you unvoting would suddenly remove it all. Secondly, there's a strong distinction between the general playstyles of new town and new scum and YS's strongly resonates with that of new town, so why do you think it's invalid? YS had given some thoughts of his own by this point for sure, so this looks a lot like you're trying to still going after the easy (and likely town) wagon. (I'm pretty sure his vote on Citrus was even called omgus by someone.) With regards to the post you made with Toni's ISO, 'tis appreciated-what about the YS vote and subsequent unvote? This may be the only thing you've done that wasn't a translation of Zor's filler (and that in itself makes you calling someone else out for it hypocritical). This is also a weak reason for an unlynch. Even if you had just acknowledged "Hey, maybe the others are right about YS being new town" it would have been less suspcious, but this looks like you were feeling pressured to come up with something original. You didn't provide any good reasoning for your Toni lynch either .-. ("They have filler" does not qualify as "good.") Having no read on YS when the majority of he discussion has been centered around them is also scummy, imo. If you had to give a read on them one way or the other, what would it be?
-Just because you town read Yellow Skarm for being "new" does not mean I feel the same way, so don't discredit my push for that. Discredit my push for being weak and lazy, not ill informed. The hell are you even asking me I'm not a drama nerd.
-And here we have you buddying Yellow Skarm for being new, but in a post where spiderz says hes new you scum read him? Maybe Jav and her wackass was right about the fucking citrus fen yellow skarm trio
Pretty sure multiple people have told you to this already, but go read YS's posts and compare them to the behavior of many new players who join their first game as town. Your push is weak and lazy. I called your push weak. There you go. Please indicate where I referenced the fact that Spiderz said he was new. If anything that's a null tell imo considering that he brought it up himself as opposed to others referencing it in their analysis. |
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Post by Fenrir on Nov 17, 2017 22:05:47 GMT
Yeah well the quotewalls are making the post much longer and annoying to read than it actually is, abstracting your thoughts a little makes it much easier for town to digest. But re Fenrir: What FTF just said applies: Also YS wagon was slowly dying and the pressure was easing off them, me getting off only accelerates the pressure deterioration. I felt fine sticking to YS there, instead of accelerating the already mounting pressure onto Toni/Spiderz. You honestly don't need to be extensively documenting the plays on everyone in a 15 player game. Just a couple of general statements and focus on a few notable players should be fine.Making a self-note here so I don't forget after reading everything: Go back and look at the timing of Xnad staying on YS, including who had unvoted and where the discussion was focused. Praise the lord, that fake activity was unnecessary and lead to nothing but a ton of halfhearted shade being thrown all over the place. |
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Post by Fenrir on Nov 17, 2017 22:11:31 GMT
Bitch did I fucking stutter? I see a possible EpicCreeper9002 and ForgotToFlush scum team. I want to see an EC flip. >Didn't lynch epic creeper because I didn't want an RVS into a mislynch, especially since a mislynch is a lot more costly in this theme than it would have been in the No setupWhat even is this response? You were afraid of RVSing into a mislynch so instead of lynching EC you RVS someone else (in this case RAD)? If you are afraid of RVS mislynch then why even lynch at start of day? Flimsy excuse.>"Relentlessly tunneled him" Are we in the same game? Pretty much everything that needed to be said about the sequence has been said already. You don't need to make shit up to get at meI'll admit that I may have been exaggerating there, but you were definitely pushing him for a lynch. And yes, we are in the same game. >Your town read on Yellow Skarm is bs if that's your reason. Anyone can claim any role and they can be confident about it until they flip, ESPECIALLY VT.You are ignoring the fact that Citrus was trying to call his claim a slip and that YS was previously incredibly panicky. >HOW ON FUCKING EARTH IS SPIDERZ YOUR SOLID TOWN READSpiderz is obviously town. Citrus's posts only convince me even more of this. >Nice that you're unsure about everything but you missed something crucial. Javelin's "Active scumhunting" is missing a couple.....lynches? She hasn't fucking lynched anyone lmao. She's trying too hard to stay neutral. This shit should be pinging more radars.My radar has been pinged. Very good point, I'll be waiting for some lynches from Jav. What about a FtF flip? Imo it gives more info considering the difference in the amount of content they have, even considering how much of FtF's content isn't actually doing anything. Bolded section makes me wonder if FtF slipped just then and used the standard "I didn't want to mislynch" excuse without realizing he still voted for someone else. Bit of a meta comment:From what I recall about Jav she has a tendency to not lynch regardless of alignment, mostly early on. |
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Post by Fenrir on Nov 17, 2017 22:12:00 GMT
Ffs I have too many tabs open, this should accompany the above: Read his ISO twice over, one time trying to convince yourself he's mafia, the next, trying to convince yourself he's town. I'm serious, do it. It feels much easier to read it with the town assumption. It flows better, feels like I'm grabbing for fewer mental handholds to establish my case. Unlynch Spiderz Oh yay you finally came to your senses. If anyone has not read Spiderz iso, I strongly recommend it. It screams town and his actions are consistent with his claim. If you try to see things from his perspective, (asides from the bad plays) he should be obv town. If anyone still scumreads Spiderz I ask you: What kind of scumbuddies would give Spiderz the get go to fakeclaim there? What kind of scum claims rand targetting? This goes in tandem with my earlier post re: Citrus's comments on Spiderz. |
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Post by Fenrir on Nov 17, 2017 22:13:57 GMT
I guess I didn't directly state why I lynched YS, but yeah, he was the person who had the most lynches at that moment that wasn't Toni/VigVig Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but right before you lynched, the votes (not including Toni/VigVig) were the following: 2 EpicCreeper9002: (cseel, Xnadrojx) 1 ScorrchingTheaph: (Zorquax) 1 Citrus Freak: (Spieky) 1 Spiderz: (ODM) 1 YellowSkarmory: (EpicCreeper9002) On one hand, you are technically correct if your unlynch is counted, but on the other hand, you had quite a few different options. Maybe I'm reading too much into this and you thought there were more people on the YS wagon, but would you mind answering why you chose YS as the counter-wagon on YS to save Toni/VigVig? Reread on lynches (full lynch analysis coming tomorrow), FTFlush was actually one of the deciding votes on Toni (Spiderz technically was the one who shifted when he unlynched VigVig). Scumread on Flushie pretty much retracted. I still want to see EC flip though. Thoughts on FtF bussing or being the SK? The latter is especially possible given how he's trying to go after everyone at once. |
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Post by Fenrir on Nov 17, 2017 22:16:57 GMT
My reasoning in lynching zorq (might be a little hypo but w/e) He was not helpful AT ALL to town, and he has no reasoning to lynching jav and didn’t provide any reasoning All he has is post random filler in different languages I was trying to translate what he said if we can actually find helpful info but it ended up just being MORE filler He is super unhelpful to town and is a big burden to it town Why vote for someone who's a so-called "big burden" (in an 18-player theme no less) as opposed to your actual scumreads then? The same goes for Prodigu. |
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Post by Yellow$¢$Skarmory on Nov 17, 2017 22:17:32 GMT
I'm fine with an FTF lynch, was my #1 scumread.
Unvote, Vote FTF
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Post by Fenrir on Nov 17, 2017 22:24:54 GMT
>complaining about being quoted >nope terrible reasoning. With that logic I can say "FTF is gay" and that means we are dating >FTF likes extending his posts. While he said stuff about you personally which is irrelevent, he made plenty of relevent points >nothing is stopping you from policying ftf. I wont stop you >tries to seem town by getting his colour right even though its obviouss c u m Correct me if I'm wrong, but both Toni and Rad were white, yes? Which would mean the color doesn't matter. Everything else here is imo valid, although we're past the point of policy lynched. The fact that epic didn't actually give any reads (as I'd expect from town accepting their fate as opposed to scum) makes me think he could in fact be scum trying to reduce spew, so second self-note: go over epic's (mercifully small) ISO and compare it to that of FtF with the goal of determining which should be the lynch. Two questions regarding VigilanteVigoroth's reads: Anything in Jav's "book" that stands out as coming from town? My instinct is also to say that their analysis is coming from town, but I'm having trouble recalling specific things that would support that because I currently can't recall any of Jav's specific posts. What about Spieky's posts indicate a town mindset? There are iirc only two of them right now. The same goes for Scorrching, although they have more posts that I can go through myself. |
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Post by VigilanteVigoroth on Nov 17, 2017 22:25:09 GMT
If he was your ‘#1’ scumread why weren’t you on him before
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2017 22:35:32 GMT
tfw Fenrir tryharding
also agree with vigvig's question YS, why didn't you go on FTF before if he was your top scumread :I
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Post by ForgotToFlush on Nov 17, 2017 22:37:59 GMT
No responses until 1am my time, nba double feature
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Post by Fenrir on Nov 17, 2017 22:41:37 GMT
I don’t feel like you’re quite listening. Vote Javelin LoverListening to what? Anh ta trượt. Làm thế nào anh ta biết forgottoflush là một vt? Mặc dù phiếu này tôi sẽ ở lại javelinlover vì tôi không thích cô ấy. Cũng xin vui lòng làm cho quá Đỗ dài không đọc cho các bài viết dài của bạn. He slipped. How does he know ForgotToFlush is a VT? Although this is a slip, I will stay on javelinlover because I do not like her. Well please don't make too long posts, I do not read for your long posts. I think that's what he's trying to say but, could you explain how that's a slip? I interpreted it as he thinks FTF is scum, so he doesn't glhf to him. Or maybe where he (epic) indicated knowing that FtF was a VT? He calls FtF's comments irrelevant, then claims to be a VT, but I don't see an overlap. smh quoted 6 times today
I've thought of a way to explain why I think spiderz slipped: saying Toni "is" even-night watcher while they were dead, which makes me feel like they were partners. Now can you guys stop using me as an easy read for towncred?
enjoying ForgotToFlush 's post on me where half the things he said are irrelavant to the actual game also, them policying me for being a "bad player." let's see you do better :^) also, what keeps me from policying you for just generally being a jerk, then?
i'm just Black Pawn aka VT, so yeah. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ glhf town, except ftf Ec that was a shit response, so fucking shit bro because I said IS because I fucking said IS. IS. BRO BECAUSE I SAID IS, i fucking said is because his role was still useful in finding other PRs These posts. EC's post is just.. so scummy. Things have already been pointed out about that though, so I'm not gonna go over it again. But, Spiderz's response is  ? Quite over defensive if you ask me. Also the way he explained it was confusing. "was still useful in finding other PRs" and on d1 he unlynched Toni because he wanted to know his PR. like what??? Overcomplicated, contradictions.. could've just said that because he flipped it or something like that, but this post screams scum to me. My understanding is that Spiderz meant "find" as in "determine which setup we have." In that case there wouldn't be any contradiction. I think grammar is affecting the repeated "because I said is," as right now I don't know what it's supposed to mean. Seconding Citrus Freak 's "Strange=/=Scummy" bit, it's very similar to the issue with people going for low-hanging fruit in the form of new players. New players can potentially be scum, yes, but watch for actual scumtells instead of taking new-tells and instantly assuming them to be scumtells because they don't fit the "standard town player." FTF: So first off a lot of his day 1 posts didn’t have tons of content to them, but yeah it’s day 1 what would you expect we don’t have much to go on tbh. His day 2 posts have been these giant wall posts, and some of his thoughts on what people have said which he has said he plans to look at everyone. The thing that I do dislike is that he is making these giant wall posts which can be hard to read (like what im saying with this is that they’re too big) but he is analyzing what people have to say, and what they’ve said so far, as of now he’s a town lean for me He's not analyzing. Remove the things that are just him insulting anyone he can and there's very little that actually relates to the game. The bit about there being little d1 is inaccurate; there was definitely plenty by the end of d1 but he remain consistend in activity/content level. The size of a wall doesn't matter so much as the content (or lack thereof). No you had a physical notebook you wrote a book Shh, I'm only seeing this now. Imo respond to the thing about the metaphorical "book" too. |
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