Knight-Errant | Game Over

[Deleted]

Lynch EpicCreeper

Left alive:
7 Vanillagers
2 town PR
1 town Mason (uncc'd VigilanteVigoroth)
1 Mafia Goon
1 Mafia PR
1 SK

10 v 2 v 1

Priority now should be reducing nightly kill count by lynching the SK. Ideally, we should only lynch Mafia if Spiderz targets someone and there's only one kill, and that person makes for a good partner with prodigu and Toni.

[Javelinlover]

no preprepared wallposts this time, i took a break.

i'll try to have one up by the end of today, though

my current reads are

thunder- RIP
self-explanatory

toni- RIP
self-explanatory

prodigu- RIP
so prod didn't really say much or contribute otherwise so i'll go back later and see if he was slightly distancing anyone but from what i can remember i don't think i'll find anything

yskarm- meh, prolly town
has done his fair share of both scummy and towny stuff. mostly town for actions but scum for words and methods. could be and probably is just bad town.

fenrir- town
thanks for all of the content fenrir, i don't agree with this slot most of the time but i appreciate the amount of content that they've been putting out.

cseel- meh
haven't really been paying attention to this slot, i know she said some stuff but none of it really stood out, i'll investigate it later

epiccreeper- meh, prolly town
for some reason everyone wants this slot lynched, and that, combined with no particular evidence that stood out to me during citrus's ISO, tells me that they're probably town. smells like an easy push to me

radicate- RIP
self-explanatory
 
vigvig-  town
self-explanatory

scorrch- meh, prolly town
i don't remember what post townpinged me so hard, but there was one or two. i'll find them later

xnad- where?
self-explanatory

zorq- RIP
self-explanatory

hi me-  town
self-explanatory

citrus- town
been enormously helpful to town, argued against several wagons with good and convincing evidence, seems to largely defend a single person at a time, a habit which i found scummy at first but i think it's okay now. however, if there's anyone that's scum pocketing town, it's this dude. townread for now, though. 

regifire- where?
self-explanatory

spieky- where?
had decent activity until like, yesterday. where are you now?

ODM- meh, prolly town
nowhere to be seen, presumably on account of timezones. i detailed in a previous post why i kind of townread this dude.

spiderz- meh
he's been doing some pretty fucking shifty shit. a worse yskarm on D1 on account of it stretching out longer. i would scumread this slot except for the PR soft. however, the fact that they aren't dead, even after the whole claiming drama, makes it seem like mafia PR to me.

[Javelinlover]

if spiderz's block claim is true, cseel's not SK for sure.

[Javelinlover]

i just realized i don't really scumread anyone anymore

[spiderz]

TBH we should look at peoples responses to prodigu to scum hunt

[Javelinlover]

then do it instead of suggesting that other people do it

[Yellow$¢$Skarmory]

Unlynch EpicCreeper, Lynch RegiFire

Pressure on that built up too fast. I want to try and get some activity out of Regi's slot (he posted once or twice D2?) so i'll lynch this for now.

[spiderz]

Also I feel like I should RB Citrus one more time just Incase

[❗]

ayy back in the game :^)

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Nov 20, 2017 19:06:45 GMT Yellow$¢$Skarmory said:

Unlynch EpicCreeper, Lynch RegiFire

Pressure on that built up too fast. I want to try and get some activity out of Regi's slot (he posted once or twice D2?) so i'll lynch this for now.

Fast pressure is a good thing.

[Deleted]

Nov 20, 2017 19:35:38 GMT spiderz said:

Also I feel like I should RB Citrus one more time just Incase

Better add another speed bump on the highway just Incase

[ScorrchingTheaph]

Day 1 Lynches
4 Toni  : VigVig, Citrus, YS, Flush
3 YS    : EC, cseel, jav
2 EC    : Xnad, Spiderz
2 VigVig: prodigu, Fenrir
1 Theaph: Zorq
1 Citrus: Spieky
1 Spider: ODM
1 Flush : RAD

Day 2 Lynches
4 Zorq  : Spiderz, prodigu, ODM, Citrus
3 EC    : VigVig, Theaph, Xnad
1 Spider: EC
1 Flush : Fenrir, YS
1 regi  : Flush
1 YS    : cseel
1 ODM   : Zorq

my opinion has not changed on EC. fos: fenrir, cseel
lynch EpicCreeper

[Deleted]

Lynch YellowSkarmory

Still my top SR and I don't like how he just said nothing about my post/ignored it. (besides saying the via mobile thing goes away on desktop mode, but idk why he said "um")

[Bomb Moss]

Looking at the VC above me, not only is his play scummy, his vote patterns point to him as scum following the one on, one off logic.

Vote EpicCreeper

[Fenrir]

I'm on mobile. I'm going to try to type up a long post from my phone since I've gone back to look at Prod'S reads, but a few questions:

When did Scorrching develop a FoS on me?

What is the "one on, one off" logic?

Why did Citrus vote Zor despite commenting that epic was to some extent at least a scumread for him?

[Fenrir]

Also, I'm feeling more confident in Jav being town. I don't fully get the shift in reads on YS and Citrus, but it doesn't make sense for Jav as scum to change her reads like that when she could continue pushing them and nobody would bat an eye (especially since this puts her in the precarious situation of having no strong scumreads. It's not likely a pocketing attempt considering her previous scumreads on them.).

[ScorrchingTheaph]

Fenrir, I developed a fos on you when White Pawn flipped as Town, and I looked at previous lynches.

[Fenrir]

White Pawn flipped as both scum and town though. I don't think the colors mean anything.

What about the lynched specifically? (If I'm badly and missed it I'm sorry)

[Yellow$¢$Skarmory]

Looking at the EC voting pattern, they were lynching the earlier lynch of the day (me day 1, spiderz day 2) but seemed to get on at later times. I have to go to sleep, will be back in morning. Have changed mind back to EC lynch though.

Unlynch, Lynch EpicCreeper9002


Also regifire talk please

[Fenrir]

Evaluating Prod's reads:

First thing I concluded: There's at least one scum in Prod's first readlist. The people he chooses to comment on have for the most part been under the radar, and they're all very hedgy (with the obvious exception of Vigvig). Of these, Spiderz is the least likely both due to the things Citrus mentioned yesterday and the fact that it's one of the more definite reads in this list. It just doesn't read as distancing to me, although the fact that Prod's vote stayed on Zor to the end is questionable.

ODM barely has anything and I don't really subscribe to Jav's theory that apathy=town, since that's imo just ODM. But it looks like Prod was attempting to set up or gauge interest in an ODM lynch down the road, so I'm inclined to say they're not partnered either.

Cseel is imo the most likely partner on Prod's first list; the read feels forced. His reason for cseel being scum flips back and forth-"well she could have been playing t safe but then again Toni was scum"-and he doesn't really take a stance on which he thinks is more likely. He counters this by saying cseel could be town for defending Vigvig (who was pretty much clear anyway) and looking through Spiderz's posts, neither of which are that town-indicative.

I can't recall any posts from Xnad off the top of my head, but based on Prod's post I'd put them after cseel in likelihood. The whole read just feels hedgy, with much of it being commentary on the effort level of his posts, which is NAI.


Moving to the second readlist, I'm still of the opinion that Citrus is likely town (though I want his response regarding his voting Zor over epic). He gives a pretty strong scumread on epic but leaves his vote on Zor, which strengthens my read on epic in conjunction with what I'm pretty sure I mentioned yesterday. If I didn't mention it, it's in part the fact that his comment of "I'm a VT kbye" didn't read as town because he didn't seem concerned with telling us any final thoughts and it felt like he was trying to restrain himself from giving spew. Spieky's a slot that's been imo under the radar so far. I'm thinking he's not partnered with Prod right now just since I don't see a reason that Prod would need to distance from Spieky if they were partners.

Pedit: Looking at Xnad's ISO, he's been pretty consistent in his epic read and not much else. I'd appreciate his reads on some others.

So based on that I have cseel as the most likely partner for Prod followed by epic and Xnad. I agree with Citrus that we should at some point focus on trying to lynch the SK, but it's worth noting imo that if we lynch one more Mafia member the Mafia's down to one and it becomes much easier to use Spiderz's blocks to actually gain information.

So I'll Vote: cseel

[incognito]

I like the way Theaph is participating in this. He seems town. Unlike Fenrir.
Also for the people lynching epiccreeper, mind explaining? I want a reason to lynch him but so far i don't see anything particularly scummy.

[Fenrir]

Get back here.

You can't just call someone scummy, not explain why, and THEN ask others to explain their own lynches.

[Deleted]

Nov 21, 2017 7:01:09 GMT Fenrir said:

Evaluating Prod's reads:

First thing I concluded: There's at least one scum in Prod's first readlist. The people he chooses to comment on have for the most part been under the radar, and they're all very hedgy (with the obvious exception of Vigvig). So are you saying that one of Scorrch, Fenrir, Jav or TBZ (dead) are one of Prodigu's readlist, since you guys are the only ones he didn't make a direct read on. Of these, Spiderz is the least likely both due to the things Citrus mentioned yesterday and the fact that it's one of the more definite reads in this list. It just doesn't read as distancing to me, although the fact that Prod's vote stayed on Zor to the end is questionable.

ODM barely has anything and I don't really subscribe to Jav's theory that apathy=town, since that's imo just ODM. But it looks like Prod was attempting to set up or gauge interest in an ODM lynch down the road, so I'm inclined to say they're not partnered either.

Cseel is imo the most likely partner on Prod's first list; the read feels forced. His reason for cseel being scum flips back and forth-"well she could have been playing t safe but then again Toni was scum"-and he doesn't really take a stance on which he thinks is more likely. He counters this by saying cseel could be town for defending Vigvig (who was pretty much clear anyway) and looking through Spiderz's posts, neither of which are that town-indicative.

I can't recall any posts from Xnad off the top of my head, but based on Prod's post I'd put them after cseel in likelihood. The whole read just feels hedgy, with much of it being commentary on the effort level of his posts, which is NAI. I don't get how you think this, Prod's read on Xnad was sorta just pointing out inactivity, filler, etc, which he also did that for some other people iirc.

Moving to the second readlist, I'm still of the opinion that Citrus is likely town (though I want his response regarding his voting Zor over epic). He gives a pretty strong scumread on epic but leaves his vote on Zor, which strengthens my read on epic in conjunction with what I'm pretty sure I mentioned yesterday. If I didn't mention it, it's in part the fact that his comment of "I'm a VT kbye" didn't read as town because he didn't seem concerned with telling us any final thoughts and it felt like he was trying to restrain himself from giving spew. Spieky's a slot that's been imo under the radar so far. I'm thinking he's not partnered with Prod right now just since I don't see a reason that Prod would need to distance from Spieky if they were partners. Why not? Most people, when scum, try and not interact which each other at all and just distance each other out.

Pedit: Looking at Xnad's ISO, he's been pretty consistent in his epic read and not much else. I'd appreciate his reads on some others.

So based on that I have cseel as the most likely partner for Prod followed by epic and Xnad. I agree with Citrus that we should at some point focus on trying to lynch the SK, but it's worth noting imo that if we lynch one more Mafia member the Mafia's down to one and it becomes much easier to use Spiderz's blocks to actually gain information. 


Other comments: I feel that you're focusing too much on interactions with Prod x other people. You might call this a bias'd opinion since you consider me as Prod's most likely partner, but consider that interactions from scum are usually very different from person to person, and can mean pretty much anything depending on what the person's playstyle is.

So I'll Vote: cseel

[spiderz]

Honestly think Cseel was scummy because I feel like she trying to control town yesterday with her forceful reads but I am gonna say that YS is kinda scummy too because she keeps on switching her lynches

[OM~!]

Lynchcount 3.0


epiccreeper9002 - 5* (Yellow$¢$Skarmory, spiderz, Citrus Freak, ScorrchingTheaph, Bomb Moss) [L-2]

Yellow$¢$Skarmory - 1 (@howdoitagyou)

@howdoitagyou - 1 (Fenrir)


There are 13 people alive, so hammer is 7 

If deadline was now epiccreeper9002 would be lynched.