b3362
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Post by b3362 on May 30, 2018 1:13:37 GMT
Oh, ayia since you commented on it, the reason I didn’t reference that claim is because I overuse it to an extreme. |
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Post by Bomb Moss on May 30, 2018 1:15:20 GMT
Prepare for wallpost in 3 hours because I just skimmed 5-7 and phone sucks.
Also reads lists are hilariously overrated and I'd rather people spend d1 effort game solving rather than making reads lists, they're virtually useless at this point of the game.
Hard TR b3362, soft TR Ayia for now
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Post by happylappy on May 30, 2018 1:26:30 GMT
So other than me fillering, and hopping on a Lynch that I agreed with, what have I done wrong so far?
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Post by ayia on May 30, 2018 1:35:53 GMT
So other than me fillering, and hopping on a Lynch that I agreed with, what have I done wrong so far? said it yourself |
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Post by arkhamstormer on May 30, 2018 1:38:31 GMT
Unlynch b3362
Lynch HappyLappy
I tend to agree with Toni said earlier. b3362 is seeming townie af rn, but Happy Lappy is talking a lot without a lot of substance.
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Post by arkhamstormer on May 30, 2018 1:40:28 GMT
So other than me fillering, and hopping on a Lynch that I agreed with, what have I done wrong so far? That's the reason primarily. Furthermore the lack of content, while not necessarily a sign of scum, is indicative of activity to mask presence or to be called AFK/Lurking. |
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Post by ayia on May 30, 2018 1:41:27 GMT
And as for massclaiming, I have to say that Toni is right about it being a strong move. It’s a way that Town can win almost effortlessly unless scum are provided with fair fakeclaims by the mod. However, winning that way isn’t fair to scum in the slightest. So while it can work, I will never willingly allow a massclaim. It can ruin the fun of the game by revealing the setup and outing scum with no real effort. A cheap win isn’t a true win to me. I don't know what to say about this quote other than everything about it is wrong. Well, let me try to put this into words: For starters, massclaim would never work. It is not hard -- in the slightest -- for mafia to come up with a fakeclaim given that even one person has claimed already. It simply reveals power roles and gives people bright targets on their backs. Second, if a "cheap win" is possible (for example, a mass claim), then its honestly not a good theme, whatever it may be. That being said, no CS's can just be broken by a massclaim for the reasons stated above, which is why massclaim CS's aren't a well-known or common meta. If mass claiming in CS was smart, it would be done more often. Simple as that. Finally, really? You think just because you found an easy win for town, you won't employ it because its cheap? Again, that's just anti-town. |
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Post by ayia on May 30, 2018 1:46:33 GMT
ok then. What are your thoughts on the whole b# situation? In forum games I ignore where the focus is and try and find outliers lynch ayia This is so scummy I lol You know, I really love when people explain their lynches |
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b3362
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Post by b3362 on May 30, 2018 2:12:03 GMT
And as for massclaiming, I have to say that Toni is right about it being a strong move. It’s a way that Town can win almost effortlessly unless scum are provided with fair fakeclaims by the mod. However, winning that way isn’t fair to scum in the slightest. So while it can work, I will never willingly allow a massclaim. It can ruin the fun of the game by revealing the setup and outing scum with no real effort. A cheap win isn’t a true win to me. I don't know what to say about this quote other than everything about it is wrong. Well, let me try to put this into words: For starters, massclaim would never work. It is not hard -- in the slightest -- for mafia to come up with a fakeclaim given that even one person has claimed already. It simply reveals power roles and gives people bright targets on their backs. Second, if a "cheap win" is possible (for example, a mass claim), then its honestly not a good theme, whatever it may be. That being said, no CS's can just be broken by a massclaim for the reasons stated above, which is why massclaim CS's aren't a well-known or common meta. If mass claiming in CS was smart, it would be done more often. Simple as that. Finally, really? You think just because you found an easy win for town, you won't employ it because its cheap? Again, that's just anti-town. Yeah, that’s true. Not going for the easy win is arguably anti-Town. But it’s not fair for scum and like I said, it isn’t fun. If you want to lynch me because I prefer having to use skill and possibly losing as opposed to getting an easy win be my guest. When I play, I play to have fun. The winner isn’t important to me unless someone’s a real ass and doesn’t deserve it. Certainly I’m going to try to win, but I’m not going to exploit anything unfair to do so. And when you think about it, assuming scum is lucky and doesn’t get any of their claims cced, you can just look for roles that seem out of place in the game. |
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Post by Bomb Moss on May 30, 2018 2:18:41 GMT
^Both of you are wrong in the above point because I have 100% faith in Snaquaza that he'll make a CS that isn't broken by fakeclaim (pls snaq don't let us down) Zzzz Honestly reading back is real lame, it feels so artificial. Most people have posted stuff, but real contributions has only come from a few people. Happylappy is obviously fillering, Toni is producing decent stuff at least, Ayia is a major contributor and b3362 is too. amauraman just sways from posting stuff I absolutely cannot comprehend and stuff that is completely sensible so they get a temporary pass from me for effort.  If anyone else is online pls talk to me I'm lonely |
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Post by Bomb Moss on May 30, 2018 2:19:03 GMT
change fakeclaim to massclaim in the previous post pls
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Post by Bomb Moss on May 30, 2018 2:19:38 GMT
I mean that b3362's efforts were great, but hes still bad town for executing his plan that way and saying that disrupting town is his routine. Bad town means town who plays and feels to other players as scum. Also, what are your reads? I feel like youve just been pointing people's faults and reads but havent given any of yours Lynching this on principle |
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Post by Bomb Moss on May 30, 2018 2:20:32 GMT
I think vanity wagons are severely underrated at this part of the game, not everything has to be centered around a few players.
Yeah this is totally a round-about way of saying "pls place pressure here with me"
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Post by Bomb Moss on May 30, 2018 2:23:06 GMT
ok then. What are your thoughts on the whole b# situation? In forum games I ignore where the focus is and try and find outliers lynch ayia This is so scummy I lol ily TBZ but that isn't an outlier. *subtly hints at where I'm voting* |
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Post by MechaMew2 on May 30, 2018 2:58:05 GMT
omg why is that thing so big That's what your mom said last night (sorry I had to do it XD) In forum games I ignore where the focus is and try and find outliers lynch ayia This is so scummy I lol You're not convincing anyone by saying "so scummy I lol." You made 6 posts and no of them contain any relevant content. Could you please elaborate more? Definitely eyeing this lynch. So other than me fillering, and hopping on a Lynch that I agreed with, what have I done wrong so far? My scumread is now cemented. You are essentially admitting to filler and hopping on a lynch (that you agree with). Why are you asking for more reasoning as to why people scumread you? I don't mean to sound condescending, but you aren't helping your case here. Bomb Moss could you explain what principle you are lynching sceptorus for? I'm not sure I understand what you mean. |
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Post by qtball on May 30, 2018 4:07:00 GMT
When people think they're cool by asking me for reasoning when in actuality it just makes me want to try less. Lol
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Post by qtball on May 30, 2018 4:08:30 GMT
I never understood why people have to ask for a reason in the first place. You have eyes and a brain, use them. Make your own reads. What I think shouldn't matter to you (I mean this in terms of, I think for myself, you shouldn't lynch someone just because I have x reasoning for it) deduce things on your own and stop needing a reason out of somebody to have to justify anything. It just makes for some useless filler
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Post by qtball on May 30, 2018 4:09:08 GMT
unlynch ayia, lynch ArkhamStorm
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Post by qtball on May 30, 2018 4:09:57 GMT
I'm pretty sure I worded my above post very poorly but I hope you guys can kind of understand what I'm trying to say
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Post by qtball on May 30, 2018 4:10:50 GMT
a part of that is that, if I'm lynching someone, don't assume I'm just doing it for no reason kind of thing. And also that a reasoning isn't a live or die by kind of thing
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Post by qtball on May 30, 2018 4:11:41 GMT
And you all can think for yourselves. End spam rant posts.
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Post by Bomb Moss on May 30, 2018 4:37:05 GMT
I mean why would you lynch someone without intending to get them lynched  |
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Post by Bomb Moss on May 30, 2018 4:46:38 GMT
What the heck can someone fix the emoji.
While asking for reasoning is pretty often unneccesary, note that forum mafia is different from chat mafia in that everything can be analysed and there's an overall increase in analysis levels, so reasoning can add up to quite a lot when deciphering intentions. And isn't that what mafia is about? If you lynch without providing reasoning, you can't be read nor will your lynch yield any useful information. Like, your lynch tells us you scumread Ayia, i.e you want them lynched. But not providing reasoning tells us that you don't really care where we lynch.
And yes, we need a reason out of people. We want to know what you think, we want to see others respond to how you think, we want to see if what you think clashes with what we think, we want to see why you think the way you do, we want to see how the defendant responds to the way you think, we want to see if your thought process has any misunderstandings, we want to have something to discuss about, we want to better understand your motives, we want to know what you want. People forget this, but in the end, mafia is a team game. Be a team player, what you think matters, even if you think it doesn't. What we think matters, even if you think it doesn't. What you want, what we want, what scum wants, what everyone wants matters. It's from motives we discern alignment, it's from content we discern motives, and it's from reasoning and tone that we discern content. Providing your reasoning comes at no expense to you and heavy expense to us. One lynch of yours makes less of a difference than changing the collective minds of others. If you want someone lynched, then work towards it, otherwise the only one fillering here is you.
And if you didn't want to try in the first place, don't join. If something's going to make you try less, sub out. If you're here just to force the game to play for you, then you're not being a team player. If you want to tell me this is all my opinion, and that you have a differing one, then you're free to do so. But I'm fairly confident that the rest of the game has got me backed up, and you're just going to have to accept it and play by the rules of the majority.
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Post by Bomb Moss on May 30, 2018 5:07:48 GMT
omg why is that thing so big That's what your mom said last night (sorry I had to do it XD) In forum games I ignore where the focus is and try and find outliers lynch ayia This is so scummy I lol You're not convincing anyone by saying "so scummy I lol." You made 6 posts and no of them contain any relevant content. Could you please elaborate more? Definitely eyeing this lynch. So other than me fillering, and hopping on a Lynch that I agreed with, what have I done wrong so far? My scumread is now cemented. You are essentially admitting to filler and hopping on a lynch (that you agree with). Why are you asking for more reasoning as to why people scumread you? I don't mean to sound condescending, but you aren't helping your case here. Bomb Moss could you explain what principle you are lynching sceptorus for? I'm not sure I understand what you mean. Your happylappy scumread is pretty bad if you ask me. I don't neccesarily TR him, but what you're doing here is no different from what TBZ did in his "so scummy lol" post. Telling someone what they did and telling them it's scummy isn't elaboration, it's a cover-up to add more words to "you are scummy". What do you learn from his post, why do you think he said what he did, how does his reasons for saying what he did align with him having an anti-town win condition? Anything can be made to look like scum says it without going into deep analysis, and this kind of shallow statements mean nothing. Re: Principle, Firstly, he was present during a time of controversial talk, notably b3362's Darthclaim among various others. Yet, he provides what he thinks on the most basic on levels without even engaging in discussion with others over the very topic he's made mention of even though he was there when discussion over b3362 was at its peak. His analysis provided was extremely shallow and wishy-washy, he talks about bad town and scum, and takes no stance as to where he stands. He's essentially making a general statement, without even a hint of his own relevant game-related opinion, the easiest form of post to make. Secondly, he talks about "bad town" and "scum", which I personally feel that requires an incredible amount of content and detail with deep analysis of motivations and interpretations to even be able to start drawing the line. He even mentions it himself, with "Bad town means town who plays and feels to other players as scum". If you play and feel to others as Scum, what makes you Bad Town instead of Scum? His 2-liner clearly has barely relevance to proving this, and the little it does doesn't go deep enough to establish how he made the distinction. It's all too easy to throw about terms like this as scum to weight your post more heavily and de-fillerize your post. And thirdly, his lack of vote, lack of presence, lack of opinion all show that he doesn't mean to do anything regarding the situation to contribute. While yes, I can agree that sometimes people can't always post, or elaborate so deeply as it is very time-consuming, effort can still be seen even if their post quality is not the best. But what Sceptorus did was hop in conveniently to make a general statement, not make any form of opinion or engagement at all, make no form of input, and doesn't show his intent to play the game or come back to help in any form. His post in itself can be used as a convenient excuse to avoid incrimination, due to how any form of accusation against him can be explained away with his previously established opinions in this post or by his lack of engagement with anything at all (e.g "You said he was Bad Town!" > "But I said Bad Town feels exactly like Scum!"). In a sense, he came on, made a post to cover himself and then disconnected. Of course, this is all based on a single 2-liner post he made, which obviously cannot be used as a stand-alone for a solid read, hence my voting of him is a pressure vote to further poke at them to provide more content from them to analyse after his post caught my interest, while intending to push a lynch through on him if his content proves to only cement a scumread on him. With more posts, their tone, intentions and thoughts that caught my attention can be more accurately condensed into motives, which is the goal I am trying to achieve. |
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Post by Schrodinger on May 30, 2018 5:28:52 GMT
Being scum and fakeclaiming a third party role, putting spotlight on them, is not a scum thing so imo b3362 is town. You say analyzing is very important in forum games, but i really cant and when you think about it, any statement can be taken as scummy or townie. Furthermore, i have been giving my own thoughts on the b3362, but you maybe havent seen that. I would also disagree with an ayia lynch d1, as they are a major contributor and one of those who give stuff or topics to talk about. And reading back on people's other forum games is pretty NAI. Also, its quite funny how tballz has done nothing but talk about first forum fishul, lynched someone, and then rant about people asking why you sr ayia. Im staying on happylappy as its generally scummy to admit to some scummy points, and ask for more ways in which they are scummy. And xnadroj, i dont think ive been fillering, i just said what i think is the definition of bad town as concepts may vary.
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If anyone else is online pls talk to me I'm lonely
