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Post by rssp1 on Sept 15, 2014 2:27:04 GMT
Also I kind of just realized that deadline is TOMORROW, meaning that we should get some kind of discussion on possible lynch targets going, and pretty quickly at that given our limited time. I'm up for a macle lynch as I've mentioned in the past. Vex's post where he unlynched me was... Odd, and quite scummy, given his lack of reasoning for his new vote and even that he said "I could tell AJ was joking". I mean he could've said that he was creating a reaction test of his own or something, but that was just plain scummy. I haven't played with or seen Snaq play forum mafia before, but sitting out of RVS and moreso day 1 as a whole is very questionable. I'd even be willing to say that I find it scummy, given that he wants to avoid being suspected early on. I'm not as confident with this though, he'd be my number 3 choice. So yeah, those are my 3 choices from scummiest to least scummy, please share your input quickly given our lack of time. This also could provide us with some valuable information. Oh look, rssp1 and Drookez aren't on this list, as he mentioned them being scum partners (maybe fake-jokingly to avoid suspicion). This post was also near the end when lynch votes would start coming in/ending, so he also could have wrote this seriously, without mentioning any mafia on it. But then again, maybe not. Not accusing, just pointing it out as a "possibility" One thing that you're overlooking on this is that two of the three (not sure if vex also falls into this category) had some suspicion on them at the time he wrote this post. AJ could have simply been following along with what had been said by others in an attempt to appear more town, rather than attempting to make Drook and I look more town (in the case we were mafia). AJ was under some slight suspicion at this point (if I remember correctly), which could explain him doing that, in the case that what I brought up is true. |
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Post by rssp1 on Sept 15, 2014 2:27:58 GMT
Especially since what I said didn't single you out in particular, and could potentially clear you in the future should this information prove valuable. You weren't the only user aj mentioned on that list dude. Yes, it was Drookez and I. As I said, I saw your argument as similar to Drook's and was pretty much restating what I had already said. |
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Post by BadPandaPancham on Sept 15, 2014 2:33:08 GMT
This also could provide us with some valuable information. Oh look, rssp1 and Drookez aren't on this list, as he mentioned them being scum partners (maybe fake-jokingly to avoid suspicion). This post was also near the end when lynch votes would start coming in/ending, so he also could have wrote this seriously, without mentioning any mafia on it. But then again, maybe not. Not accusing, just pointing it out as a "possibility" One thing that you're overlooking on this is that two of the three (not sure if vex also falls into this category) had some suspicion on them at the time he wrote this post. AJ could have simply been following along with what had been said by others in an attempt to appear more town, rather than attempting to make Drook and I look more town (in the case we were mafia). AJ was under some slight suspicion at this point (if I remember correctly), which could explain him doing that, in the case that what I brought up is true. "One thing that you're overlooking" No. I said maybe, maybe not, possibility, could, etc multiple times. Didn't over look it. I said it's a possibility, you are attacking the possibility that I am saying with "it probably isn't true/it isn't true/possibility". That's why I am saying you seem scummy. I obviously said right there that it was a maybe, and you go on to repeat what I said in different words |
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Post by BadPandaPancham on Sept 15, 2014 2:34:38 GMT
Especially since what I said didn't single you out in particular, and could potentially clear you in the future should this information prove valuable. You weren't the only user aj mentioned on that list dude. Yes, it was Drookez and I. As I said, I saw your argument as similar to Drook's and was pretty much restating what I had already said. That is a legitimate argument/back-up. I didn't see that Drookez also said it. However, if Drookez was also mentioned in that and he pointed it out, it only makes you look scummier by going all defensive. That was my bad, but it still is making you seem a bit scummier with how you are acting over it @_@ |
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Post by rssp1 on Sept 15, 2014 3:00:32 GMT
One thing that you're overlooking on this is that two of the three (not sure if vex also falls into this category) had some suspicion on them at the time he wrote this post. AJ could have simply been following along with what had been said by others in an attempt to appear more town, rather than attempting to make Drook and I look more town (in the case we were mafia). AJ was under some slight suspicion at this point (if I remember correctly), which could explain him doing that, in the case that what I brought up is true. "One thing that you're overlooking" No. I said maybe, maybe not, possibility, could, etc multiple times. Didn't over look it. I said it's a possibility, you are attacking the possibility that I am saying with "it probably isn't true/it isn't true/possibility". That's why I am saying you seem scummy. I obviously said right there that it was a maybe, and you go on to repeat what I said in different words You do say "maybe" afterwards, but what i'm saying is that IF you use that as you're argument, you would be overlooking what i'm saying. When I respond, I respond to each part of the post separately. I know that you're saying it might be a possibility and is not fact, but what i'm doing is providing another point of view that would argue against what you are saying in the case that you would use that as fact in the future. You can't expect me to just say "oh ok, bpp is saying its only a possibility, therefore I can't argue against it." |
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Post by rssp1 on Sept 15, 2014 3:03:06 GMT
Yes, it was Drookez and I. As I said, I saw your argument as similar to Drook's and was pretty much restating what I had already said. That is a legitimate argument/back-up. I didn't see that Drookez also said it. However, if Drookez was also mentioned in that and he pointed it out, it only makes you look scummier by going all defensive. That was my bad, but it still is making you seem a bit scummier with how you are acting over it @_@ Are you telling me that you wouldn't get slightly annoyed if someone repeated something that you had addressed extremely recently? You also keep saying defensive when i'm refuting your points. Refuting someone's points =/= defensive. Perhaps its the way i'm refuting them that makes you think i'm being defensive. It is also kind of hard to refute someone's points without being defensive (with the definition of defensive i'm using, anyways. You and I may be thinking of what "defensive" is as two different things). |
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Post by rssp1 on Sept 15, 2014 3:03:17 GMT
Also, where in the world is everyone else?
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Post by incognito on Sept 15, 2014 7:39:36 GMT
I'm here but a 7 hpur difference between our time zones means I can't really participate in the chat while it's going on. Anyway I'm kinda siding with BPP in this but not enough to lynch you, just because he lynched and you kinda overreacted. Plus, I already cast my vote, and I think if we do vote today we shouldn't vote the people who are keeping the conversation going but those who are just lurking.
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Post by Drookez on Sept 15, 2014 8:10:40 GMT
So after reading here is my thought:
1) Rssp1 seems scummy for being rather defensive. His ways of talking changed, to me at least.
2) We only have 8 players and 1 scum is already down. If Rssp1 is suggesting a BPP + ME scum team, than it will be unlikely since that would mean
3 Mafia/ 5 Town + Multiple Killing Roles.
3) Recalling back to the post that aj listed me and rssp1, I think the wisest choice for aj at the moment is to suggest one town and one scum. Althought this isn't much of an evidence or a valid reason, I still think it is rather notable.
4) Rssp1 did quickly defend how aggressive isn't mafia-like characteristics, which I will quote in the post below.
So what are you guys thoughts on this? Do you think Rssp1 is mafia or is there someone lurking in the shadows?
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Post by Drookez on Sept 15, 2014 8:12:01 GMT
Snaquaza.. .At least discuss something first before posting the lynch? Anyways hi just catching up on somethings and I don't have much to say just yet Also, Rssp1 stop with your rule 8 thing Kinda reading Ajhockeystar as mafia tho... His play style is a bit aggressive for me atm especially day 1 Nobody is telling me what rule 8 is... Also, as someone who plays aggressively quite often, aggressive is not connected to mafia, although you CAN have aggressive mafia. Aggressive is a playstyle and imo shouldn't be seen as scummy unless its aggressive in response to some things, like being suspected (for example). He did hint a bit about siding with ajhockeystar, although he did not go overboard and defend aj. |
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Post by rssp1 on Sept 15, 2014 8:17:28 GMT
Nobody is telling me what rule 8 is... Also, as someone who plays aggressively quite often, aggressive is not connected to mafia, although you CAN have aggressive mafia. Aggressive is a playstyle and imo shouldn't be seen as scummy unless its aggressive in response to some things, like being suspected (for example). He did hint a bit about siding with ajhockeystar, although he did not go overboard and defend aj. I guess this can be seen as siding with aj, although my reason for saying what I said was (as said in the post) that I have played and often do play aggressively as town, leading me to believe that aggressiveness =/= mafia. |
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Post by rssp1 on Sept 15, 2014 8:24:31 GMT
So after reading here is my thought: 1) Rssp1 seems scummy for being rather defensive. His ways of talking changed, to me at least. 2) We only have 8 players and 1 scum is already down. If Rssp1 is suggesting a BPP + ME scum team, than it will be unlikely since that would mean 3 Mafia/ 5 Town + Multiple Killing Roles. 3) Recalling back to the post that aj listed me and rssp1, I think the wisest choice for aj at the moment is to suggest one town and one scum. Althought this isn't much of an evidence or a valid reason, I still think it is rather notable. 4) Rssp1 did quickly defend how aggressive isn't mafia-like characteristics, which I will quote in the post below. So what are you guys thoughts on this? Do you think Rssp1 is mafia or is there someone lurking in the shadows? tbh I agree with you on number 1 (The way that I talk has changed). However, one thing i'd like you to note: If you refer to my past playing, you will notice that when I was Mason AND Romeo, I did not react "defensively" when I was accused. As Mason, I was town and as Romeo, I was scum. When i'm scum, I don't really play this aggressively against anyone who accuses me like BPP did. tbh, I generally don't play very aggressively unless someone brings up something that I think is completely wrong (see: Robert when he was trying to aggravate me). You can probably already tell my opinion on BPP's reasoning by my post content. I don't think I was ever suggesting a BPP+You scumteam. I think you're town as of right now. I'm not even sure i'm saying BPP is scum. I'm mostly saying that I think BPP's reasoning is wrong. I still personally believe that aj could have randomly picked any of the three possibilities, as i've seen all three done. I agree that the most common is for aj to pick one town and one scum, but in the case that you ARE town, then that possibility isn't true. I for a fact know that I am not mafia. |
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Post by rssp1 on Sept 15, 2014 8:24:58 GMT
Macle normally comes on around this time, i'd like to hear his thoughts. Vex hasn't talked either.
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Post by macle on Sept 15, 2014 12:37:10 GMT
i don't come on at 4 am you noob.
BPP seems rather aggressive atm. Possibly trying to force a mislynch since hes already down a partner. Rssp1 seems rather defensive but i think hes just a defensive person, not scum. AJ did bring attention to both rssp1 and drookez in his post though. He could have just been playing mind games with us. Vex is awfully quiet right now.
i think game set up is important to what we do. If we think its 5/1 we can get away with a mislynch here. If its 4/2, we mislynch, we lose (though 5/3 set up would be dumb). 4/1/1, if we mislynch, mafia / wolf hopefully double targets or kills eachother. I'd like to hear what other people think on the set up
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Post by incognito on Sept 15, 2014 14:51:24 GMT
It's almost definitely 4/1/1, lynching might just be the best thing to do right now:
-If we lynch mafia/third party tomorrow its 3-1 and it'll probably be easier to then know who's mafia since we should have some kind of power role.
-If we lynch town it becomes 3/1/1 and the likelihood of mafia/third-party crossfire increases, and even if there is no crossfire a 2/1/1 setup is pro-town since both anti-town parties will be trying to kill each other rather than killing town.
Deadline is in less than 24 hours. I'm staying on my current lynch (Vex).
Please try to lynch before the deadline.
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Post by BadPandaPancham on Sept 15, 2014 15:15:00 GMT
It's almost definitely 4/1/1, lynching might just be the best thing to do right now: -If we lynch mafia/third party tomorrow its 3-1 and it'll probably be easier to then know who's mafia since we should have some kind of power role. -If we lynch town it becomes 3/1/1 and the likelihood of mafia/third-party crossfire increases, and even if there is no crossfire a 2/1/1 setup is pro-town since both anti-town parties will be trying to kill each other rather than killing town. Deadline is in less than 24 hours. I'm staying on my current lynch (Vex). Please try to lynch before the deadline. The only problem with this post is that of course it's almost definitely, but the "almost definitely" is a risk I'm not sure we should take. We would have to all agree on it obviously. If we reach a more reasonable conclusion with what we have, I am all for lynching. As it stands right now, no. |
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Post by BadPandaPancham on Sept 15, 2014 15:17:09 GMT
While rssp1 overreacted to being lynched, I think that was just a reaction to the fact that he was even lynched, regardless of the situation, since he has been much more reasonable.
That said,
unlynch rssp1
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Post by BadPandaPancham on Sept 15, 2014 15:27:44 GMT
i don't come on at 4 am you noob. BPP seems rather aggressive atm. Possibly trying to force a mislynch since hes already down a partner. Rssp1 seems rather defensive but i think hes just a defensive person, not scum. AJ did bring attention to both rssp1 and drookez in his post though. He could have just been playing mind games with us. Vex is awfully quiet right now. i think game set up is important to what we do. If we think its 5/1 we can get away with a mislynch here. If its 4/2, we mislynch, we lose (though 5/3 set up would be dumb). 4/1/1, if we mislynch, mafia / wolf hopefully double targets or kills eachother. I'd like to hear what other people think on the set up That could easily be a possibility, especially since I was acting semi-aggressive, even if it is something AJ said. He did bring up the fact that there could be 3/5, due to saying that in total there were 3, but it's unlikely. It seems highly likely that it is 4/1/1 since a mafia did die last night after all. So, we could be dealing with that. Here are some of the ideas I have seen from chat: 1) BadPandaPancham possible mafia - Acting pretty aggressive, using a former mafia as possibility, subbing for a played who didn't speak much at all 2) rssp1 possible mafia - Acting very defensive/aggressive, whatever you want to call it. Came to steady reasoning at the end 3) Drookez possible mafia/3rd party - rather neutral and also brought up by aj. Not being too pro town, but still being a little quiet, though I know me and Drookez's timezones are almost completely different 4) macle possible 3rd party - brought up that it could be a possibility, doubt it means anything Listed in order of possibilities in my eyes from a general perspective. This list can mean nothing or something. DO NOT READ THIS LIST AND ASSUME I AM ACCUSING YOU OF BEING SCUM because that is not the case. note: something that can help your case in acting less scummy is not just making an argument trying to prove yourself, but others also |
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Post by incognito on Sept 15, 2014 15:33:22 GMT
It's almost definitely 4/1/1, lynching might just be the best thing to do right now: -If we lynch mafia/third party tomorrow its 3-1 and it'll probably be easier to then know who's mafia since we should have some kind of power role. -If we lynch town it becomes 3/1/1 and the likelihood of mafia/third-party crossfire increases, and even if there is no crossfire a 2/1/1 setup is pro-town since both anti-town parties will be trying to kill each other rather than killing town. Deadline is in less than 24 hours. I'm staying on my current lynch (Vex). Please try to lynch before the deadline. The only problem with this post is that of course it's almost definitely, but the "almost definitely" is a risk I'm not sure we should take. We would have to all agree on it obviously. If we reach a more reasonable conclusion with what we have, I am all for lynching. As it stands right now, no. The only setup right now where we should definitely not lynch would be 4-2, and since that would mean we started at 5-3, with an untargetable mafia nonetheless, that makes pretty unlikely. I get what you're saying about the uncertainty BPP but even in the worst case scenario, lynching someone that isn't really helping the conversation is a good idea. |
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Post by BadPandaPancham on Sept 15, 2014 16:11:06 GMT
Yes, but we still have quite a bit of day time (I believe) so that will be a solution we resort to if we are running out of time.
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Post by BadPandaPancham on Sept 15, 2014 16:11:42 GMT
Obviously it would be best to think about who we are going to lynch and why, and discuss it before coming to a conclusion instead of bandwagon lynching.
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Post by incognito on Sept 15, 2014 16:27:21 GMT
Yes, but we still have quite a bit of day time (I believe) so that will be a solution we resort to if we are running out of time. Deadline is in 20 hours, and since we never come online at the same time, i think it's best to start giving possible names to lynch now. |
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Post by BadPandaPancham on Sept 15, 2014 16:42:16 GMT
I have been doing that like the whole time x-x
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Post by BadPandaPancham on Sept 15, 2014 16:42:40 GMT
imo the only one closest to being cleared is ODM
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Post by incognito on Sept 15, 2014 17:34:38 GMT
imo the only one closest to being cleared is ODM Listen to this man xD. I feel Drookez is kinda innocent this time, not sure why but he seems the least scummy out of all remaining players. |
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